diff --git a/book/2003-10.txt b/book/2003-10.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..04c1a16 --- /dev/null +++ b/book/2003-10.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32405 @@ +\start +Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:14:22 +0100 +From: Mark Murray +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for Axiom web site +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, smustudent1@yahoo.com + +root writes: +> I don't understand why it is important to use an already installed +> lisp image. It seems likely to be yet-another-source-of-trouble +> like the X library issues. What am I missing? + +The already-installed lisp versions (may) have been hacked to +actually work, and they may be standard didtributions of the lisp +compiler distributed by the OS vendor (.rpm, .deb or FreeBSD "port" +files). + +The Axiom copy of lisp is a fork, and an incompatible one to boot, +so us OS people (well, me anyway - I'm with FreeBSD) are trying to +use the one that we already have to get things to work. + +After all, when you get (say) X, it doesn't come bundled with the +version of GCC that the XFree86 folks have certified that it will +compile with, right? Instead, over time #ifdef hell has developed, +and configuration stuff has been done to make sure that whatever +package it is has been put together to work with whatever you already +have, as far as practical. Sometimes, of course you have to bail out +and say things like "This needs an ANSI C compiler, K&R won't work, +ever!", but bolting every tool that is needed onto the side of the +package concerned is overkill IMO. + +I hear what you say about the extensions, and I understand why you +need them; are Camm's proposals not suitable? + +That's the way I'm thinking :-) + +\start +Date: 01 Oct 2003 12:38:21 +0200 +From: Juergen Weiss +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Fix for Macroexpansion bug + +Hi, + +here is a fix for the macro expansion bug. As a test I +recompiled the complete algebra without any change in generated +lisp code. + + +diff -c -r1.4 compiler.boot +*** compiler.boot 2003/06/20 20:58:11 1.4 +--- compiler.boot 2003/09/30 20:07:31 +*************** +*** 670,686 **** + compMacro(form,m,e) == + $macroIfTrue: local:= true + ["MDEF",lhs,signature,specialCases,rhs]:= form +! rhs := + rhs is ['CATEGORY,:.] => ['"-- the constructor category"] + rhs is ['Join,:.] => ['"-- the constructor category"] + rhs is ['CAPSULE,:.] => ['"-- the constructor capsule"] + rhs is ['add,:.] => ['"-- the constructor capsule"] + formatUnabbreviated rhs + sayBrightly ['" processing macro definition",'%b, +! :formatUnabbreviated lhs,'" ==> ",:rhs,'%d] +! ["MDEF",lhs,signature,specialCases,rhs]:= form:= macroExpand(form,e) + m=$EmptyMode or m=$NoValueMode => +! ["/throwAway",$NoValueMode,put(first lhs,"macro",rhs,e)] + + --% SEQ + +--- 670,685 ---- + compMacro(form,m,e) == + $macroIfTrue: local:= true + ["MDEF",lhs,signature,specialCases,rhs]:= form +! prhs := + rhs is ['CATEGORY,:.] => ['"-- the constructor category"] + rhs is ['Join,:.] => ['"-- the constructor category"] + rhs is ['CAPSULE,:.] => ['"-- the constructor capsule"] + rhs is ['add,:.] => ['"-- the constructor capsule"] + formatUnabbreviated rhs + sayBrightly ['" processing macro definition",'%b, +! :formatUnabbreviated lhs,'" ==> ",:prhs,'%d] + m=$EmptyMode or m=$NoValueMode => +! ["/throwAway",$NoValueMode,put(first lhs,"macro",macroExpand(rhs,e),e)] + + --% SEQ + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:19:42 -0400 +From: root +To: mark@grondar.org, acn1@cam.ac.uk +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for Axiom web site +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, smustudent1@yahoo.com + +Arthur, Mark, + +You make a very convincing case. The key concern, it appears, is forking. +The hope is to migrate changes back into the common lisp. Unless all of +the common lisps agree on a socket standard I don't see how this can happen +but I am willing to try. + +It might be the case that every modern common lisp DOES have socket code +and that the socket support could be rewritten (with #+ for each lisp). +We also use some X library support code which might will generic support. +I'll look at that direction. Does anybody know if GCL has sockets at the +lisp level (not inline C code)? I'd be happy to ditch the C code completely +but only if I know that the functionality can be re-implemented in lisp. + +After I finish the book the next task is to get sman (superman, the thing +that actually starts when you start axiom) running so the other processes +can communicate. Dylan's going to look at the graphics process and I will +focus on getting hyperdoc back to life. + +In the near term (at least the next year) I suspect we will still need +the sources for any common lisp we build upon. These could be +installed sources. In the long term I'll plan to push toward using +installed lisps. (Keep in mind that the long term plan is for Axiom to +run on every common lisp. The fact that GCL has all the support we +need already built in doesn't mean that we're done.) + +In Axiom if you want to use an installed gcl instead of the tar file you just: + +cd lsp +ln -s (yourGCLdistributionPath)/gcl-2.17.1 gcl-2.17.1 +touch gcldir +cd .. +make GCLVERSION=gcl-2.17.1 + +The symbolic link will use the already installed sources. +The "touch" will convince Axiom that it does not need to build the lisp again. +The GCLVERSION variable says what version you want to use. + +I'll add these instructions to the FAQ in Makefile.pamphlet. + +We could make this the default install instructions, I suppose, but +that shifts the burden of building onto the end user whereas it +currently resides in the makefile. If the installed sources were +installed as root then the user will have to install as root which is +currently unnecessary (one should never work as root :-) ) I'll break +out the "patching" portion of the stanza so it can be executed against +pre-installed sources. + +If you move to a new, untested version of GCL, the build is likely to +fail late into the Axiom build because lisp won't contain the Axiom +extensions. + +About Camm's suggestion: I didn't understand the suggestion (and still don't). +I feel like I "missed a memo" on that one. + +Arthur, what is your feeling about making the Axiom C code part of the +standard CCL distribution? + +\start +Date: 01 Oct 2003 11:28:39 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for Axiom web site +Cc: mark@grondar.org, smustudent1@yahoo.com + +Greetings! You guys type so fast! I'm going to try to be brief to +catch up... + +1) Tim, whatever you feel is best for axiom is best in my book too. + All the foregoing are offered as suggestions only. + +2) (pros and cons of an external gcl build discussed in a separate + reply to your other post) + +Tim Daly writes: + +> > Having some kind of useful mechanism of adding extensions seems to be +> > a focal point? +> +> I suppose. The key problem I've had with adding extensions to gcl +> has been system libraries, not gcl itself. The first attempt at +> system building was on Redhat 7.3 and required an XFree library +> which was not part of the standard build. I had included the rpm +> as part of the CVS zips but was convinced that this was, well, +> lets just say, ummm, inelegant :-) +> + +3) non-lisp C extension modules and libraries can now be linked into + an externally installed GCL from lisp via compiler::link. +4) An older faslink method can be reenabled if desired with likely + minimal work. +5) Build dependencies as referred to above are handled automatically + in most modern distributions. Look at the Build-Depends: line in + the debian/control file of the GCL source. There is an analogous + line in the Debian axiom package. IMHO, the vast majority of axiom + users will never compile it, but install it and its runtime + dependencies automatically with a single command. The next largest + group will compile it, but will do so by downloading the source and + automatically installing its build-dependencies also with a single + command. So I think axiom need not fear having external + dependencies as long as they are clearly specified, knowing that + only the 'experts' will ever have to take care of ensuring their + presence when needed. I think the 'inelegance' you felt above goes + right to the heart of the modular software design we're all + striving towards, and might arguably pertain to a subsidiary lisp + build as well. + +> The Mandrake install is giving me similar library issues as is +> the iMac. I tried getting the latest CVS of GCL but it still +> doesn't build. How did you get the Mac build to succeed? +> + +6) When accessing CVS, please use the 'stable' branch, by adding '-r + Version_2_6_1' after the 'checkout' command word. This is + explained on our temporary distribution site: + http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl + We've just put this together in response to ftp.gnu.org's + inaccessibility. And David, thanks for the pointer about the file + restorations there (!). But alas, the machine I used to access the + tree is still unavailable, and I cannot get responses from the ftp + managers for a new account on whatever new machine is involved. + +7) Has Aurelian been in touch with you? + +8) If you can provide remote ssh access to your imac, I'll get GCL + running for you. + +> Dynamically adding extensions will mean that the lisp loader +> will have to automatically find and link new system libraries. +> That's quite a large task. + +9) If the system libraries are specified, (modern distros use a + 'soname' to denote compatible shared libraries, so this should be + in the specification, but not the minor point release/bug fix + release number, i.e. libfoo.so.2, not libfoo.so.2.3), GCL can build + this link in already via compiler::link. This method requires a + restart of the lisp, whereas if we were to resurrect the faslink + method, a restart would not be necessary. +> +> > The above will need to find a saved_gcl, no? (I'll fix the FreeBSD port +> > to add this to the installed bits if so). +> +> The above essentially copies saved_gcl to obj/linux/bin/lisp. +> In some hopeful future you should just be able to find the lisp +> on the path. +> + +10) If you just link the external saved_gcl to obj/linux/bin/lisp, it + won't have your extensions compiled in. You will get a saved_gcl + with these extensions compiled in if you use compiler::link as + outlined in the long email. + +> > The FreeBSD port infrastructure takes care of the details, like installing +> > GCL if its not already there. +> +> Can you point me to the docs on this? How does this magic happen? +> + +11) At least for Debian, you can look at pbuilder and apt-src. + +> > Did you get his long email +> +> Yes, this morning. (Last night was my anniversary so I was kinda +> lame about reading email). I'll study it in more detail. +> + +11) Happy anniversary! Don't you dare even think about this stuff on + such a blissful occasion :-). + +Take care, + +\start +Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:46:38 +0200 +From: David MENTRE +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Fix for Macroexpansion bug + +Hello Juergen, + +Juergen Weiss writes: + +> here is a fix for the macro expansion bug. As a test I +> recompiled the complete algebra without any change in generated +> lisp code. + +Thanks Juergen. + +I think I have added your patch to the corresponding bug in the +database: +[bug #4871] left hand side macro expansion issue (was: Compiling spad +file causes value stack overflow) +http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=4871&group_id=2938 + +Have you tried to compile the remaining algebra files? + +\section{Broken Files} +These files need to be added. +\begin{verbatim} + +limitps SIGNEF +primelt FSPRMELT +nsregset LAZM3PK +nregset NORMPK +regset QCMPACK +regset REGSET +regset RSETGCD +sregset SREGSET +sregset SRDCMPK +sregset SFRGCD +sregset SFQCMPK +transsolve SOLVETRA +asp ASP29 +d01agents D01AGNT +nsregset SNTSCAT +nregset NTSCAT +sregset SFRTCAT +algcat CPIMA +combfunc COMBF +ffnb INBFF +lodo LODO +lodo LODO1 +lodo LODO2 +newpoint SUBSPACE +sttf STTF +zerodim LEXTRIPK +zerodim IRURPK +zerodim RGCHAIN +zerodim RURPK +zerodim ZDSOLVE +\end{verbatim} + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:59:01 -0400 +From: Tim Daly +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Missing algebra + +David, + +The missing algebra is not "fixed" yet. The problem is slightly more subtle. + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:05:30 -0400 +From: Tim Daly +To: mark@grondar.org +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for Axiom web site +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, smustudent1@yahoo.com + +> Having some kind of useful mechanism of adding extensions seems to be +> a focal point? + +I suppose. The key problem I've had with adding extensions to gcl +has been system libraries, not gcl itself. The first attempt at +system building was on Redhat 7.3 and required an XFree library +which was not part of the standard build. I had included the rpm +as part of the CVS zips but was convinced that this was, well, +lets just say, ummm, inelegant :-) + +The Mandrake install is giving me similar library issues as is +the iMac. I tried getting the latest CVS of GCL but it still +doesn't build. How did you get the Mac build to succeed? + +Dynamically adding extensions will mean that the lisp loader +will have to automatically find and link new system libraries. +That's quite a large task. + +> The above will need to find a saved_gcl, no? (I'll fix the FreeBSD port +> to add this to the installed bits if so). + +The above essentially copies saved_gcl to obj/linux/bin/lisp. +In some hopeful future you should just be able to find the lisp +on the path. + +> The FreeBSD port infrastructure takes care of the details, like installing +> GCL if its not already there. + +Can you point me to the docs on this? How does this magic happen? + +> Did you get his long email + +Yes, this morning. (Last night was my anniversary so I was kinda +lame about reading email). I'll study it in more detail. + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:00:34 +0200 +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: "David MENTRE" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Fix for Macroexpansion bug + +Thanks for adding the patch. + +I compiled all the algebra files a while ago. The problem +had been the out-of-date database files. It's not related +to the macroexpansion problem. I posted the +results to the list at that time +(http://www.uni-mainz.de/~weiss/axiom.algebra.jw.20030810.tgz). + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: David MENTRE [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:47 PM +> To: Weiss, Juergen +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Fix for Macroexpansion bug +> +> +> Hello Juergen, +> +> Juergen Weiss writes: +> +> > here is a fix for the macro expansion bug. As a test I +> > recompiled the complete algebra without any change in generated +> > lisp code. +> +> Thanks Juergen. +> +> I think I have added your patch to the corresponding bug in the +> database: +> [bug #4871] left hand side macro expansion issue (was: Compiling spad +> file causes value stack overflow) +> http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=3Ddetailbug&bug_id=3D4871&gr +oup_id=3D2938 + +Have you tried to compile the remaining algebra files? + +\section{Broken Files} +These files need to be added. +\begin{verbatim} + +limitps SIGNEF +primelt FSPRMELT +nsregset LAZM3PK +nregset NORMPK +regset QCMPACK +regset REGSET +regset RSETGCD +sregset SREGSET +sregset SRDCMPK +sregset SFRGCD +sregset SFQCMPK +transsolve SOLVETRA +asp ASP29 +d01agents D01AGNT +nsregset SNTSCAT +nregset NTSCAT +sregset SFRTCAT +algcat CPIMA +combfunc COMBF +ffnb INBFF +lodo LODO +lodo LODO1 +lodo LODO2 +newpoint SUBSPACE +sttf STTF +zerodim LEXTRIPK +zerodim IRURPK +zerodim RGCHAIN +zerodim RURPK +zerodim ZDSOLVE +\end{verbatim} + +\start +Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:29:26 +0100 +From: Mark Murray +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for Axiom web site +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, smustudent1@yahoo.com, gcl-devel@gnu.org + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Dynamically adding extensions will mean that the lisp loader will have +> to automatically find and link new system libraries. That's quite a +> large task. + +Not really. If you add functionality to a C program by using dlopen(3), +the ELF loader takes charge of loading any shared libs required by that +shared object. Can lisp not handle this? + +> > The above will need to find a saved_gcl, no? (I'll fix the FreeBSD +> > port to add this to the installed bits if so). +> +> The above essentially copies saved_gcl to obj/linux/bin/lisp. In some +> hopeful future you should just be able to find the lisp on the path. + +Right. Usually, saved_gcl is not installed, so for the time being, I'll +make sure that FreeBSD has one. + +> > The FreeBSD port infrastructure takes care of the details, like +> > installing GCL if its not already there. +> +> Can you point me to the docs on this? How does this magic happen? + +Docs. Hmm :-). There is rather a lot. + +Paraphrasing - there is a makefile wrapper, and a collection of diffs. +Building a port can be broken down into a set of steps: + +1) "make fetch" - fetch(1) (like wget(1)) the port distfile(s) from the +nominated master site/mirrors. Cache this in /usr/ports/distfiles. + +2) "make checksum" - use md5(1) to make sure you have the right +distribution file(s). + +3) "make extract" - unpack the distribution files into a dir called +work/. This may depend on installing required archival software if +the dist file is in an unusual format. The dependancy is handled +automatically. The dependancy requirements are supplied in the wrapper +makefile. + +4) "make patch" - apply any patches (local or distributor supplied) to +the unpacked distro. + +5) "make configure" - run any necessary configure commands. This may +depend on installing required configuration software (such as automake +or autoconf). The dependancy is handled automatically. The dependancy +requirements are supplied in the wrapper makefile. + +6) "make build" - actually build/compile the software. This may +depend on installing required software (libraries, specialised +compilers, etc). The dependancy is handled automatically. The dependancy +requirements are supplied in the wrapper makefile. + +7) "make install" - install the software into ${PREFIX} (usually +/usr/local), and register it into /var/db/pkg/. This may +depend on installing run-time software (data files etc). The dependancy +is handled automatically. The dependancy requirements are supplied in +the wrapper makefile. + +8) "make package" - make a binary distribution "package". This is +similar to a .rpm file or a .deb file, and contains meta-information on +what packages this package depends on. The binary package (a compressed +tarball with extra stuff) can be installed on another system with +pkg_add(1). Stash the package in /usr/ports/packages/. + +9) "make clean" - rm -rf the work/ subdir created in 1). + +Each recursive dependancy install does 1-7, if needed. Sophisicated +tools are available to maintain ports, packages and dependancies. + +If the port creator did his job properly, then for anyone to build +the package is a no-brainer. + +The usual short-circuit of the above is + +$ cd /usr/ports/math/axiom # or whatever port you want +$ make install # $ does 1-7 automagically +$ make clean # we don't need to make a package if + # we are a single-user site + +... or pkg_add the package of your distribution CD. + +> > Did you get his long email +> +> Yes, this morning. (Last night was my anniversary so I was kinda lame +> about reading email). I'll study it in more detail. + +Anniversary? Congratulations!! :-) All the best! + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:49:51 -0400 +From: "Page, Bill" +To: David MENTRE +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Fix for Macroexpansion bug + +David, + +As Juergen says there does not seem to be any problem +with the remaining algebra files. It is just that Tim's +version of the algebra Makefile does not yet include +them. For now they can be compiled manually (or you can +use Juergen's version of the algebra Makefile). + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Weiss, Juergen [mailto:weiss@uni-mainz.de] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:01 PM +> To: David MENTRE +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Fix for Macroexpansion bug +> +> +> Thanks for adding the patch. +> +> I compiled all the algebra files a while ago. The problem +> had been the out-of-date database files. It's not related +> to the macroexpansion problem. I posted the +> results to the list at that time +> (http://www.uni-mainz.de/~weiss/axiom.algebra.jw.20030810.tgz). +> +> Regards, +> +> Juergen Weiss +> +> > -----Original Message----- +> > From: David MENTRE [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:47 PM +> > To: Weiss, Juergen +> > Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> > Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Fix for Macroexpansion bug +> > +> > +> > Hello Juergen, +> > +> > Juergen Weiss writes: +> > +> > > here is a fix for the macro expansion bug. As a test I +> > > recompiled the complete algebra without any change in generated +> > > lisp code. +> > +> > Thanks Juergen. +> > +> > I think I have added your patch to the corresponding bug in the +> > database: +> > [bug #4871] left hand side macro expansion issue (was: +> Compiling spad +> > file causes value stack overflow) +> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=4871&gr +> oup_id=2938 +> +> Have you tried to compile the remaining algebra files? +> +> \section{Broken Files} +> These files need to be added. +> \begin{verbatim} +> +> limitps SIGNEF +> primelt FSPRMELT +> nsregset LAZM3PK +> nregset NORMPK +> regset QCMPACK +> regset REGSET +> regset RSETGCD +> sregset SREGSET +> sregset SRDCMPK +> sregset SFRGCD +> sregset SFQCMPK +> transsolve SOLVETRA +> asp ASP29 +> d01agents D01AGNT +> nsregset SNTSCAT +> nregset NTSCAT +> sregset SFRTCAT +> algcat CPIMA +> combfunc COMBF +> ffnb INBFF +> lodo LODO +> lodo LODO1 +> lodo LODO2 +> newpoint SUBSPACE +> sttf STTF +> zerodim LEXTRIPK +> zerodim IRURPK +> zerodim RGCHAIN +> zerodim RURPK +> zerodim ZDSOLVE +> \end{verbatim} +> +\start +Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:14:58 +0200 +From: David MENTRE +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom short term roadmap + +Hello, + +I have started to list tasks that need to be done for a first stable +release of Axiom. You'll find them at: + +http://savannah.nongnu.org/pm/task.php?group_project_id=1222&group_id=2938&func=browse + +The proposed list is a first start. Of course, everybody is free to add +or remove tasks. + +The main idea I had doing this is to keep us on focus for some short +term goals that I think are a prerequisite for the future (community and +Tim's vision on Axiom). Having a stable release will help us setting a +reference point for ports and enhancements. + +Some remaining tasks I'm hesitating to put as target for this initial +release: + + - external gcl + + - various ports (MacOS X, FreeBSD, Windows, ...) + + +I think I'll add a mid-term goal (all ports, hyperdvi browser, graphics, +...) and a long term goal (Axiom Journal, Proof Assistant Integration, +zero learning curve interface, ...). + + +Yours, +d. + +PS : I hope I am clear on my intent. The purpose of this email is not to + say that Camm, Jaap or Mark work is not useful. +-- + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:44:56 -0400 +From: Tim Daly +To: miked@nag.co.uk, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Scanned image of book + +Mike, + +Does NAG own the copyright to the Axiom book? +I know the words were released under the Modified BSD. +Bill Page has offered to upload a scanned image of the book +for use while the new one is being written. +Will NAG allow that? + +\start +Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:42:45 +0100 +From: Mark Murray +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for Axiom web site +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, smustudent1@yahoo.com + +root writes: +> You make a very convincing case. The key concern, it appears, is forking. +> The hope is to migrate changes back into the common lisp. Unless all of +> the common lisps agree on a socket standard I don't see how this can happen +> but I am willing to try. + +:-) Whoever said the art of dialogue was dead, was wrong! :-) + +Having some kind of useful mechanism of adding extensions seems to be +a focal point? + +If lisp compilers all had some way that you could add external functionality +/a la/ dlopen(3), then would this not solve the problem? + +> It might be the case that every modern common lisp DOES have socket code +> and that the socket support could be rewritten (with #+ for each lisp). + +That would be the best scenario. + +> In Axiom if you want to use an installed gcl instead of the tar file you just: +> +> cd lsp +> ln -s (yourGCLdistributionPath)/gcl-2.17.1 gcl-2.17.1 +> touch gcldir +> cd .. +> make GCLVERSION=gcl-2.17.1 +> +> The symbolic link will use the already installed sources. +> The "touch" will convince Axiom that it does not need to build the lisp again. +> The GCLVERSION variable says what version you want to use. + +The above will need to find a saved_gcl, no? (I'll fix the FreeBSD port +to add this to the installed bits if so). + +> I'll add these instructions to the FAQ in Makefile.pamphlet. + +Excellent! + +> We could make this the default install instructions, I suppose, but +> that shifts the burden of building onto the end user whereas it +> currently resides in the makefile. If the installed sources were +> installed as root then the user will have to install as root which is +> currently unnecessary (one should never work as root :-) ) I'll break +> out the "patching" portion of the stanza so it can be executed against +> pre-installed sources. + +As an alternative install method, it suits FreeBSD very well, as all +a FreeBSD'er needs to do to build it would be + +# cd /usr/ports/math/axiom +# make +# make install +# make clean + +or, even easier + +# portinstall math/axiom + +The FreeBSD port infrastructure takes care of the details, like installing +GCL if its not already there. + +> If you move to a new, untested version of GCL, the build is likely to +> fail late into the Axiom build because lisp won't contain the Axiom +> extensions. +> +> About Camm's suggestion: I didn't understand the suggestion (and still don't). +> I feel like I "missed a memo" on that one. + +Did you get his long email + +Subject: Re: confusion over patch suggestion + +\start +Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:45:45 +0200 +From: David MENTRE +To: "Page, Bill" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom book (partially) available? + +Hello Bill, + +"Page, Bill" writes: + +> I have the resources to produce a scanned PDF format +> copy of the AXIOM book. + +Beware of copyright issues. While Tim has the source of the text of the +book and the rights to produce a new version, the layout of the original +book is still copyrighted by its publisher. + +I don't remember the duration of copyright until it falls in the public +domain but I doubt the copyright on the original Axiom book is expired. + +In short: you can't do that except if you have the written consent of +the publisher. + +Yours, +d. + +PS : According to the Gutenberg project, the copyright duration is 50 + years after the death of the author. There is no such thing as a + free world. + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:54:33 -0400 +From: root +To: weiss@uni-mainz.de +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Missing algebra + +Juergen, + +Time, mostly. The algebra files reference interval. I got interval to +compile and now have to finish the cleanup task. I'm working on that +in my local build subtree but haven't completed or tested it. Other +tasks are being pushed ahead of it (I uploaded a fix for "algebra +sources in mnt" on monday, (tuesday was an anniversary so I slacked a +bit). I'm currently cleaning up the "makes" in Makefiles and writing +a FAQ entry for the "installed lisp" issue. Next I will apply the +Macro patch you sent and set up a build/test/release cycle overnight) +but progress is being made. It should happen RSN (real soon now), that +is, once I do the next cleanup of my subtree, test it, polish it for +upload, and upload it. I haven't forgotten it. Indeed, the main reason +I wanted David to leave it as a bug was that I wanted to have a record +that it is still an outstanding issue. + +Tim + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:01:01 -0400 +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'David MENTRE'" , "Page, Bill" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Axiom book (partially) available? + +David, + +Yes, I am very much aware of the copyright issue since +that is directly related to the work I do (electronic +publishing and databases for defence). NAG is named in +the front piece of the book as the holder of the copyright - +odd perhaps, since often it is the publisher, Spriner-Verlag. +I look forward to receiving approval from NAG to make a +scanned version of the book available online. + +In the mean time, it seems to me that the usual "fair use" +practices would permit me to at least distribute some +parts (how much??) of the book to members of the Axiom +developer and user groups. After all this is (largely) a +research project. + +Perhaps there is not yet such a thing as a "free world", +but I am optimistic that it is getting "freer" (as in +freedom, not free beer ... ) + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: David MENTRE [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:46 PM +> To: Page, Bill +> Cc: 'root'; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tim Daly +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom book (partially) available? +> +> +> Hello Bill, +> +> "Page, Bill" writes: +> +> > I have the resources to produce a scanned PDF format +> > copy of the AXIOM book. +> +> Beware of copyright issues. While Tim has the source of the +> text of the book and the rights to produce a new version, +> the layout of the original book is still copyrighted by its +> publisher. +> +> I don't remember the duration of copyright until it falls in +> the public domain but I doubt the copyright on the original +> Axiom book is expired. +> +> In short: you can't do that except if you have the written +> consent of the publisher. +> +> Yours, +> d. +> +> PS : According to the Gutenberg project, the copyright +> duration is 50 years after the death of the author. +> There is no such thing as a free world. + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:01:43 -0400 +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'texmacs-dev@gnu.org'" +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] New tm_axiom.c & question on stderr + +TeXmacs Developers; + +I have posted a new version of tm_axiom to the Axiom +web site. See Axiom_Texmacs 1.0.2 at + + http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=axiom + +This version is compatible with the recent alpha release +of Axiom/OS (i.e. Axiom / Open Source. We need an +appropriate name for this new version of Axiom. What do +you think?). It expects only one initial prompt from +Axiom, not two like the older version of Axiom. It also +incorporates the sophisticated LaTeX equation line breaking +algorithm that was developed specifically for use with +Axiom by Robert Sutor (a major contributor to Axiom). + +I have two questions. First, I would like to be able to +pass some command line options to the tm_axiom program +when it is started by TeXmacs. Specifically, for compatiblity +with the older version of Axiom, it would be nice to be +able to adjust the number of intial prompts, for example +by setting it to 2 for the NAG commercial version. Another +option might be setting the line break length. Right now +the value of 4.5 inches is hard coded. + +Assuming I can pass these options, the next issue is how +to conveniently set them inside of TeXmacs. The number +of initial prompts only needs to be set when the Axiom +interface is installed or changed. But the line break +length should be easily adjusted by the user and must +relate to a parameter already maintained automatically by +TeXmacs and stored with each document. + +The second question I have is: What is the best approach +to implement a new Session menu option that would +re-execute all of the sessions contained in a document? +This is a very common operation when using TeXmacs as +a "worksheet" interface to computer algebra systems. It +needs to be able to re-execute all of the embedded +session commands (for Axiom and other external systems) +starting from the top of the document and working down +to the end. It must make only the minimum change to the +document to update all of the session outputs without +introducing any new session inputs. + +Should I try to do this through a scheme script? (Oh no, +more stuff to learn ... ). + +Any help and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Joris van der Hoeven [mailto:vdhoeven@texmacs.org] +> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 4:46 PM +> To: texmacs-dev@gnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] New tm_axiom.c & question on stderr +> +> > > OK, I will try that soon. +> > +> > Tim reminded me that this build may not work on any kind of +> > linux. Mine is debian 3.0 i686. +> > +> > In any case, we will try to upload several builds on different +> > system. What is your linux system (distribution, version)? +> +> I will ask tomorrow; I am abroad... +> + +\start +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:57:20 -0400 +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'root'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Axiom book (partially) available? + +Tim, + +I have the resources to produce a scanned PDF format +copy of the AXIOM book. The result will be a rather +large file (approx. 10 - 20 Mbytes, I guess). In scanned +PDF format, each page is represented as an image. The +system I use normally uses Group IV tiff encoding for +black and white pages, so the result is about 20 Kbytes +per page x 750 pages. Maybe I could set it up for download +as one file per chapter (15 chapters) - about 1 Mbyte +per chapter. + +I think that inspite of it's "age" the quality of this +book is very high and would go a long way to satisfying +the demand! for Axiom documentation that releasing the +alpha version has created. Of course this doesn't negate +the desirability of creating (and publishing!) a newer +up to date version. But maybe it would take some of the +pressure off ... + +Let me know what you think. I could have it uploaded to +the files section of the Axiom web site later tonight +if you think that this would be ok. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: David MENTRE [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:17 PM +> To: Tim Daly +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom book (partially) available? +> +> +> Hello Tim, +> +> Is the Axiom book available (even partially) on CVS? Maybe people can +> start reading the first chapters while you finish it? +> +> Yours, +> d. + +\start +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 02:31:03 +0200 +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: , +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Missing algebra + +Tim, + +what's wrong with those algebra files? I could compile +them with no changes. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Tim Daly [mailto:daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:59 PM +> To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] Missing algebra +> +> +> David, +> +> The missing algebra is not "fixed" yet. The problem is +> slightly more subtle. +> +> Tim +> axiom@tenkan.org +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 01 23:48:22 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4uMF-0002kD-13 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:42:27 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4tya-0006Ck-HG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:18:00 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4krl-0003Xt-Eg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:34:52 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.30] (helo=mwinf0104.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A4krj-0003Xe-P1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:34:19 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-27-97.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.42.97]) + by mwinf0104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 019FB1BFFF90; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:34:18 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A4krh-0000R2-00; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:34:17 +0200 +To: "Weiss, Juergen" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Fix for Macroexpansion bug +References: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4BA@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:34:16 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4BA@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> + (Juergen Weiss's message of "Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:00:34 +0200") +Message-ID: <874qysg8vb.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 03:42:25 -0000 + +"Weiss, Juergen" writes: + +> I compiled all the algebra files a while ago. The problem +> had been the out-of-date database files. It's not related +> to the macroexpansion problem. I posted the +> results to the list at that time +> (http://www.uni-mainz.de/~weiss/axiom.algebra.jw.20030810.tgz). + +Once again, thanks. + +I have updated [bug #5379] Missing algebra (was: package +CombinatorialFunction (COMBF) is missing). +http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=5379&group_id=2938 + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 00:11:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4uoN-0002Bz-CA + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:11:31 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4uoK-0002Ae-LY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:11:28 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4twV-0005Ut-Lg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:16:22 -0400 +Received: from [134.93.178.130] (helo=mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A4lPe-0006zk-DU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:09:22 -0400 +Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.49]) + by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h91I8rT1015296; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:08:54 +0200 (MEST) +Received: from exstore1.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:09:03 +0200 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for Axiom web site +Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:08:53 +0200 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4BB@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for Axiom web site +Thread-Index: AcOH7q1wlkdIfPLoQdi1J+ELV4+ZCQAVPdQQ +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: "Mark Murray" , +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2003 18:09:03.0793 (UTC) + FILETIME=[18E08A10:01C38847] +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, smustudent1@yahoo.com, + gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 04:11:29 -0000 + +I would also argue in favor of unbundling the lisp system +(gcl). It's not a problem to load compiled C code (for +example socket extensions) into a lisp system (Camm already +posted the code). It bloats the Axiom distribution +unnecessarily. Eventually we had to add CMU distributions +and others. For commercial lisps on the other hand we +can't do it. The Debian and the FreeBSD package system +take care of dependencies. So it was certainly necessary +to add gcl in the beginning to get started on equal level. +With the necessary fixes/patches applied to gcl it will +not be necessary with the future. + +With respect to the build system: Generating the lisp +part of Axiom is not very demanding with respect to +the build system. But as soon as the graphics and +dispatcher and other C code comes in, we will probably +need autoconfig and/or configure on the long run. We +have to figure out, where X resides, if signal handling +is BSD or SYSV etc. But that's not very pressing at +the moment. + +What we should change immediately is, that the make +variables are not handed down from the toplevel make +step by step. The variables (ENV) should be in a +Makefile.inc, which will get included by every make +file. This will allow to call make in src/interp +or src/algebra selectively during development. + +Regards + +Juergen Weiss + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Mark Murray [mailto:mark@grondar.org] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:14 AM +> To: daly@idsi.net +> Cc: camm@enhanced.com; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; +> smustudent1@yahoo.com; gcl-devel@gnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for +> Axiom web site +> +> +> root writes: +> > I don't understand why it is important to use an already installed +> > lisp image. It seems likely to be yet-another-source-of-trouble +> > like the X library issues. What am I missing? +> +> The already-installed lisp versions (may) have been hacked to +> actually work, and they may be standard didtributions of the lisp +> compiler distributed by the OS vendor (.rpm, .deb or FreeBSD "port" +> files). +> +> The Axiom copy of lisp is a fork, and an incompatible one to boot, +> so us OS people (well, me anyway - I'm with FreeBSD) are trying to +> use the one that we already have to get things to work. +> +> After all, when you get (say) X, it doesn't come bundled with the +> version of GCC that the XFree86 folks have certified that it will +> compile with, right? Instead, over time #ifdef hell has developed, +> and configuration stuff has been done to make sure that whatever +> package it is has been put together to work with whatever you already +> have, as far as practical. Sometimes, of course you have to bail out +> and say things like "This needs an ANSI C compiler, K&R won't work, +> ever!", but bolting every tool that is needed onto the side of the +> package concerned is overkill IMO. +> +> I hear what you say about the extensions, and I understand why you +> need them; are Camm's proposals not suitable? +> +> That's the way I'm thinking :-) +> +> M +> -- +> Mark Murray +> iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 04:22:15 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4yiy-0008Fa-Fk + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 04:22:12 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4yip-00085I-Dg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 04:22:03 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4yi3-0006Xu-LL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 04:21:46 -0400 +Received: from [134.93.178.129] (helo=mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A4yi2-0006TT-LU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 04:21:14 -0400 +Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.49]) + by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h928LA7E016330; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:21:10 +0200 (MEST) +Received: from exstore1.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:21:10 +0200 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Missing algebra +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:21:09 +0200 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4BD@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: [Axiom-developer] Missing algebra +Thread-Index: AcOIf9MTmVQhL5kaTNq4Wl6neVE+hwAPcFBw +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 08:21:10.0041 (UTC) + FILETIME=[227EE090:01C388BE] +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:22:11 -0000 + +Sorry, I missunderstood your email. I thought, that there +were still other problems. + +Regards + +Juergen + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:55 AM +> To: Weiss, Juergen +> Cc: daly@idsi.net; david.mentre@wanadoo.fr; axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Missing algebra +> +> +> Juergen, +> +> Time, mostly. The algebra files reference interval. I got interval to +> compile and now have to finish the cleanup task. I'm working on that +> in my local build subtree but haven't completed or tested it. Other +> tasks are being pushed ahead of it (I uploaded a fix for "algebra +> sources in mnt" on monday, (tuesday was an anniversary so I slacked a +> bit). I'm currently cleaning up the "makes" in Makefiles and writing +> a FAQ entry for the "installed lisp" issue. Next I will apply the +> Macro patch you sent and set up a build/test/release cycle overnight) +> but progress is being made. It should happen RSN (real soon now), that +> is, once I do the next cleanup of my subtree, test it, polish it for +> upload, and upload it. I haven't forgotten it. Indeed, the main reason +> I wanted David to leave it as a bug was that I wanted to have a record +> that it is still an outstanding issue. +> +> Tim +> +> + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 05:14:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4zXl-0005Sx-6U + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 05:14:41 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4zXi-0005Qv-Gv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 05:14:38 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A4zWM-0004zt-Rz + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 05:13:46 -0400 +Received: from [62.231.131.211] (helo=mail22.messagelabs.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A4zVx-0004tl-Mv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 05:12:49 -0400 +X-VirusChecked: Checked +X-Env-Sender: miked@nag.co.uk +X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-22.messagelabs.com!1065085966!1231789 +X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=nag.co.uk,-,- +Received: (qmail 31732 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 09:12:46 -0000 +Received: from smtp-1.star.net.uk (212.125.75.70) + by server-4.tower-22.messagelabs.com with SMTP; + 2 Oct 2003 09:12:46 -0000 +Received: (qmail 23219 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 09:12:45 -0000 +Received: from nagmx1.nag.co.uk (HELO nag.co.uk) (62.231.145.242) + by smtp-1.star.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 09:12:45 -0000 +Received: from brackley.nag.co.uk (brackley.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.21]) + by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26048; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:12:34 +0100 (BST) +Received: from nag.co.uk (IDENT:root@trowbridge.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.69]) + by brackley.nag.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h929G5Y19686; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:16:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from miked@nag.co.uk) +Received: (from miked@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17439; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:12:16 +0100 +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:12:16 +0100 +From: Mike Dewar +To: "Bill. Page1 E-mail\"" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] New tm_axiom.c & question on + stderr +Message-ID: <20031002101216.B17384@nag.co.uk> +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D18@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D18@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca>; + from Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:01:43PM -0400 +Cc: "'axiom-developer@nongnu.org'" , + "'texmacs-dev@gnu.org'" +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:14:39 -0000 + +Hi Bill, + +There seems to be a misconception that the NAG version of Axiom puts out +two prompts on startup while the Open version puts out one. This is not +actually true: the Axiom interpreter (invoked via the command `AXIOMsys' +in the NAG version, and presumably via `axiom' in your version) only +puts out one prompt: the reason you can see two is that sman (the +"Superman" process that manages communication between the interpreter, +hyperdoc, browser, graphics etc.) causes the interpreter to start a new +frame, which forces a new prompt (you can do the same by typing ")frame +new foo"). Once Tim gets sman working the Open version will presumably +work in the same way. So your new tm_axiom ought to work the same way +with both versions if they are invoked in the equivalent way. + +I haven't seen the TeXmacs interface to Axiom but we used to maintain a +TeX-based interface under Windows (based on IBM's TechExplorer) and it +had lots of nice features - a TeX version of the browser, the ability to +execute worksheets etc. Some of this code was embedded in the front-end +but the browser code, for example, was all in boot. The main file in +question was br-saturn.boot ("saturn" was IBM's pre-release name for +TechExplorer) and we also used the $saturn variable to test whether we +were in TechExplorer or not in a few places (this was so we could use +the same CCL image files for both the TechExplorer and shell interfaces +of Axiom under Windows). It might be worth somebody trying to resurrect +this code - the only hitch I can foresee is that we added a grep command +to CCL (coded in C) since Windows doesn't have a grep program, but you +can always spawn off a system command under Unix (which is what the +original IBM version of Axiom did) to get the same result. + +Mike. + +On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:01:43PM -0400, Page, Bill wrote: +> TeXmacs Developers; +> +> I have posted a new version of tm_axiom to the Axiom +> web site. See Axiom_Texmacs 1.0.2 at +> +> http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=axiom +> +> This version is compatible with the recent alpha release +> of Axiom/OS (i.e. Axiom / Open Source. We need an +> appropriate name for this new version of Axiom. What do +> you think?). It expects only one initial prompt from +> Axiom, not two like the older version of Axiom. It also +> incorporates the sophisticated LaTeX equation line breaking +> algorithm that was developed specifically for use with +> Axiom by Robert Sutor (a major contributor to Axiom). +> +> I have two questions. First, I would like to be able to +> pass some command line options to the tm_axiom program +> when it is started by TeXmacs. Specifically, for compatiblity +> with the older version of Axiom, it would be nice to be +> able to adjust the number of intial prompts, for example +> by setting it to 2 for the NAG commercial version. Another +> option might be setting the line break length. Right now +> the value of 4.5 inches is hard coded. +> +> Assuming I can pass these options, the next issue is how +> to conveniently set them inside of TeXmacs. The number +> of initial prompts only needs to be set when the Axiom +> interface is installed or changed. But the line break +> length should be easily adjusted by the user and must +> relate to a parameter already maintained automatically by +> TeXmacs and stored with each document. +> +> The second question I have is: What is the best approach +> to implement a new Session menu option that would +> re-execute all of the sessions contained in a document? +> This is a very common operation when using TeXmacs as +> a "worksheet" interface to computer algebra systems. It +> needs to be able to re-execute all of the embedded +> session commands (for Axiom and other external systems) +> starting from the top of the document and working down +> to the end. It must make only the minimum change to the +> document to update all of the session outputs without +> introducing any new session inputs. +> +> Should I try to do this through a scheme script? (Oh no, +> more stuff to learn ... ). +> +> Any help and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! +> +> Regards, +> Bill Page. +> +> +> > -----Original Message----- +> > From: Joris van der Hoeven [mailto:vdhoeven@texmacs.org] +> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 4:46 PM +> > To: texmacs-dev@gnu.org +> > Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] New tm_axiom.c & question on stderr +> > +> > > > OK, I will try that soon. +> > > +> > > Tim reminded me that this build may not work on any kind of +> > > linux. Mine is debian 3.0 i686. +> > > +> > > In any case, we will try to upload several builds on different +> > > system. What is your linux system (distribution, version)? +> > +> > I will ask tomorrow; I am abroad... +> > +> > +> > +> > _______________________________________________ +> > Texmacs-dev mailing list +> > Texmacs-dev@gnu.org +> > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/texmacs-dev +> > +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> ________________________________________________________________________ +> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The +> service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive +> anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: +> http://www.star.net.uk +> ________________________________________________________________________ + +________________________________________________________________________ +This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. 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I'm no lawyer but it appears that the book is +still in print in the US so you could be treading on thin ice by +publishing a scanned version on the web. My advice would be not to do +it. + +In any case it seems crazy to go down this route when you could just +make a pdf from the (more up-to-date than published) TeX sources that +you have. In principle all that you need to do is go to the +development/src/doc/htex directory and run `latex book', however the +version of LaTeX that you really need is a 12 year old IBM installation +so you will have some font and style file issues I'm afraid. There are +some fonts in the doc/dvips directory which may help. + +Cheers, Mike. + + +On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 01:44:56PM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> Mike, +> +> Does NAG own the copyright to the Axiom book? +> I know the words were released under the Modified BSD. +> Bill Page has offered to upload a scanned image of the book +> for use while the new one is being written. +> Will NAG allow that? +> +> Tim +> axiom@tenkan.org +> +> ________________________________________________________________________ +> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The +> service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive +> anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: +> http://www.star.net.uk +> ________________________________________________________________________ + +________________________________________________________________________ +This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. 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For more information on a proactive +anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: +http://www.star.net.uk +________________________________________________________________________ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 07:29:09 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A51ds-0006Fi-CX + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:29:08 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A51dp-0006FD-Ik + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:29:05 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A51dJ-0006Ae-Jj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:29:04 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A51dJ-0006Aa-6L + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:28:33 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (16.116.252.64.snet.net [64.252.116.16]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h92BRvrQ071900; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:28:01 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92BRtW18327; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:27:55 -0400 +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:27:55 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310021127.h92BRtW18327@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: weiss@uni-mainz.de +In-reply-to: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4BB@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> + (weiss@uni-mainz.de) +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New design for Axiom web site +References: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4BB@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, mark@grondar.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + smustudent1@yahoo.com, daly@idsi.net, gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:29:06 -0000 + +Juergen, + +I'll look at this question later today. + + +> What we should change immediately is, that the make +> variables are not handed down from the toplevel make +> step by step. The variables (ENV) should be in a +> Makefile.inc, which will get included by every make +> file. This will allow to call make in src/interp +> or src/algebra selectively during development. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 09:58:53 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A53yi-0005N0-Jw + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:58:48 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A53y2-0004yr-3f + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:58:06 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A53xT-0004f2-9K + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:58:02 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A53tB-00036U-0O + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:53:05 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A53s3-0000nq-65 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:51:55 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h92DpJv24929; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:51:19 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h92DE9h31219; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:14:09 -0400 +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:14:09 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310021314.h92DE9h31219@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: <54he2tt1so.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (message from Camm Maguire + on 01 Oct 2003 11:28:39 -0400) +References: <200310011242.h91CgjYJ082385@grimreaper.grondar.org> + <200310011305.h91D5Uf00904@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <54he2tt1so.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Aurelian +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:58:47 -0000 + +7) Has Aurelian been in touch with you? + +Who is Aurelian? + +TIm + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 09:59:05 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A53yq-0005T4-19 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:58:56 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A53y9-000536-2P + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:58:13 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A53vt-0003wh-Is + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:56:24 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A53t8-00036U-33 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:53:02 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A53mv-0000O1-2F + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:46:37 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h92Djsv24915; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:45:54 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h92D8iP30831; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:08:44 -0400 +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:08:44 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310021308.h92D8iP30831@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: weiss@uni-mainz.de +In-reply-to: <200310021128.h92BSoa18331@localhost.localdomain> (message from + root on Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:28:50 -0400) +Subject: Re: [weiss@uni-mainz.de: RE: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] New + design for Axiom web site] +References: <200310021128.h92BSoa18331@localhost.localdomain> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:58:53 -0000 + +Juergen, + +I looked at the idea of including the ENV information directly into +the lower level Makefiles rather than passing it down the make chain. +The problem is that the make chain sets up more than just the shell +variable environment. The parent makefile ensures that the required +target directories exist and that all other subdirectories are up +to date. If you try to invoke make in a subdirectory the results are +uncertain. + +If you want to try this you could, though I don't recommend, put the +ENV variables in your shell and then invoke make. According to plan +the use of {} around the variables allows them to be overridden by +shell variables. + +I have a scheme with will allow you to type: +make PART=algebra +(where algebra is any one of the subdirectories). +This will force the make chain to walk the direct +path to the named subdirectory. This should achieve what you want. +I'll put it on the TODO list. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 12:48:39 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A56d4-0003mO-VJ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:48:38 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A56d2-0003lR-CW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:48:36 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A56bN-0003H8-BP + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:47:24 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A56b7-00036K-3Q + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:46:37 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-30-240.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.248.20.240]) by mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 879B550009B0; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:46:34 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A56b3-0000Iv-00; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:46:33 +0200 +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Aurelian +References: <200310011242.h91CgjYJ082385@grimreaper.grondar.org> + <200310011305.h91D5Uf00904@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <54he2tt1so.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310021314.h92DE9h31219@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:46:33 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310021314.h92DE9h31219@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> (Tim Daly's + message of "Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:14:09 -0400") +Message-ID: <87y8w3fuza.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:48:37 -0000 + +Hello Tim, + +Tim Daly writes: + +> 7) Has Aurelian been in touch with you? +> +> Who is Aurelian? + +Aurelien Chanudet , the guy who is porting GCL to +MacOS X. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 13:23:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57B0-0005Y0-Ir + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:23:42 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57Ax-0005X4-Ob + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:23:39 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57AR-0005Ea-QA + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:23:38 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A57AR-0005E1-DR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:23:07 -0400 +Received: from [194.167.30.129] (helo=min.univ-orleans.fr) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A578R-0005r4-Vm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:21:04 -0400 +Received: from gremi78 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by min.univ-orleans.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id D712D12ADAA; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:20:57 +0200 (CEST) +From: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +To: David MENTRE +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:23:24 +0200 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 +Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom short term roadmap +Message-ID: <3F7C7B2C.31043.6CA966@localhost> +Priority: normal +In-reply-to: <87isn8ek31.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:23:40 -0000 + +Hello, + +> I have started to list tasks that need to be done for a first stable +> release of Axiom. You'll find them at: +> Some remaining tasks I'm hesitating to put as target for this initial +> release: +> +> - external gcl +> +> - various ports (MacOS X, FreeBSD, Windows, ...) + +To extend the basis of users, I think Windows port would be urgent. I +probably misunderstood some messages, I thought it was almost done? What +is the present state of the port, and what are the remaining problems? + +Best wishes, + +Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX +ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX +liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr +Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu +"sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 13:32:36 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57Jc-0007oK-PG + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:32:36 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57Ja-0007ni-2y + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:32:34 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57J3-0007f4-Je + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:32:32 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A57J3-0007eo-8G + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:32:01 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h92HVPv25109; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:31:25 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h92GsEt12920; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:54:14 -0400 +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:54:14 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310021654.h92GsEt12920@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] kudos +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:32:35 -0000 + +Please add Mark Murray to the website kudos list. + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 13:33:14 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57KD-0007y4-V4 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:33:13 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57KC-0007xe-6x + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:33:12 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57Jg-0007pP-Fr + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:33:11 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A57Jg-0007p8-04 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:32:40 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h92HW3v25113; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:32:03 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h92Gsqj12925; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:54:52 -0400 +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:54:52 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310021654.h92Gsqj12925@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Cc: daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] kudos +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:33:12 -0000 + +Could someone volunteer to tar up the latest CVS as a source tarball +and post it on the download page? + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 13:43:29 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57U8-0006LW-Q2 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:43:28 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57U5-0006Kj-Mr + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:43:25 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A57TY-0006Cr-Rc + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:43:23 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A57TY-0006AL-Fe + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:42:52 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h92Hg9v25119; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:42:09 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h92H4v714241; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:04:57 -0400 +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:04:57 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310021704.h92H4v714241@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] windows +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:43:27 -0000 + +On my desk, at least, the windows port is stalled waiting a running GCL +under mingw. This probably exists but I don't have it yet. + +A similar pipeline burble exists with the iMac port. Camm has suggested +downloading Version_2_6_1 which I plan to do later this afternoon. + +The Mandrake port is hanging on a missing shared library. + +The SuSE port is hanging on an installation hitch. Plus my SuSE version +is 6.4 due to the fact that I can't find iso images online and I can't +connect the machine to the net for a network install. + +The BSD port is awaiting the result of Mark Murray's work as I'm +letting him do the heavy lifting there. + +And the SCO Unixware port is waiting until the weather in hell +rivals that in heaven. + +Tim + + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 14:43:52 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A58QD-0008Oq-2U + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:43:29 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A58Q7-0008IC-Gy + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:43:23 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A58P6-0007FB-2u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:42:51 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A58OJ-0005qR-Pc; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:41:32 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h92Ietv25187; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:40:55 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h92I3hu18521; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:43 -0400 +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:43 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310021803.h92I3hu18521@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: camm@enhanced.com, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] GCL for iMac +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:43:27 -0000 + +Ok, I did a co -r Version_2_6_1 +What machine is the iMac OS X supposed to be? +The configure script didn't figure it out. + +Tim Daly +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 16:09:24 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A59lM-0005ol-Fc + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:09:24 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A59lJ-0005ni-AG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:09:21 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A59kl-0005ji-Np + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:09:18 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A59kB-0005ZN-UO; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:08:12 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A59k9-0004qG-00; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:08:09 -0400 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <200310021803.h92I3hu18521@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 02 Oct 2003 16:08:09 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310021803.h92I3hu18521@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <543cebo11y.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 191 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Aurelien Chanudet , + gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] GCL for iMac +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:09:22 -0000 + +Hi Tim! + +First I'm told you need to configure with + +./configure --enable-debug --enable-machine=powerpc-macosx +--disable-statsysbfd --enable-custreloc + +I haven't yet merged in a few of Aurelian's proposed patches, hope too +soon -- here is his last email on the subject. Please let me know how +it goes. I'll add configure defaults for this platform if it works +for you. Over the long run, we'd rather link with statsysbfd. + +============================================================================= +Hi, + +You might want to try the following steps to build GCL on Mac OS +X. Note that this port is premature and that I haven't tested it with +Axiom. Stratified garbage collection is not yet fully supported (need +to retrieve the page fault address). + +Please, keep me posted on how this goes ! + +Aurelien + +--- + +1- Get the latest CVS release (2.7.0). + +2- Assuming bash, configure your shell as follows : + +ulimit -n 512 + +if [ -z "$LIBRARY_PATH" ]; then + export LIBRARY_PATH=/sw/lib +else + export LIBRARY_PATH=/sw/lib:$LIBRARY_PATH +fi +export LIBRARY_PATH + +if [ -z "$C_INCLUDE_PATH" ]; then + C_INCLUDE_PATH=/sw/include +else + C_INCLUDE_PATH=/sw/include:$C_INCLUDE_PATH +fi +export C_INCLUDE_PATH + +export CPPFLAGS="-no-cpp-precomp" + +The /sw tricks are used to enable readline support (/sw is Fink's root). + +3- Apply the following patches : + +--- o/main.c 4 Sep 2003 03:09:39 -0000 1.30 ++++ o/main.c 4 Sep 2003 21:52:28 -0000 +@@ -111,6 +111,11 @@ + struct rlimit rl; + #endif + ++#if defined(DARWIN) ++ extern void init_darwin_zone_compat (); ++ init_darwin_zone_compat (); ++#endif ++ + #ifdef RECREATE_HEAP + RECREATE_HEAP + #endif + +--- o/unixfasl.c 15 Feb 2003 00:38:28 -0000 1.4 ++++ o/unixfasl.c 4 Sep 2003 21:53:16 -0000 +@@ -282,7 +282,7 @@ + static int + faslink(object faslfile, object ldargstring) + { +-#if defined(__linux__) && defined(__ELF__) ++#if (defined(__linux__) && defined(__ELF__)) || defined(DARWIN) + FEerror("faslink() not supported for ELF yet",0); + return 0; + #else + +--- unixport/makefile 4 Sep 2003 03:09:39 -0000 1.45 ++++ unixport/makefile 4 Sep 2003 21:54:00 -0000 +@@ -17,6 +17,7 @@ + + libgclp.a: $(ODIR)/gcllib.a + cp $< $@ ++ ranlib $@ + + gmpfiles: $(shell find ../$(GMPDIR) -name "*.o" |grep -v '\.lib') + rm -rf gmp +@@ -80,15 +81,15 @@ + init_%.lsp: init_%.lsp.tmp + + cat $< | sed \ +- -e "s,@LI-VERS@,(`cat ../majvers`.`cat ../minvers`) +`date`,1" \ +- -e "s,@LI-MINVERS@,`cat ../minvers`,1" \ +- -e "s,@LI-MAJVERS@,`cat ../majvers`,1" \ +- -e "s,@LI-CC@,\"$(CC) -c $(FINAL_CFLAGS)\",1" \ +- -e "s,@LI-LD@,\"$(CC) -o \",1" \ +- -e "s,@LI-LD-LIBS@,\"$(LD_LIBS_PRE) -l$* +$(LD_LIBS_POST)\",1" \ +- -e "s,@LI-OPT-THREE@,\"$(O3FLAGS)\",1" \ +- -e "s,@LI-OPT-TWO@,\"$(O2FLAGS)\",1" \ +- -e "s,@LI-INIT-LSP@,\"$@\",1" >$@ ++ -e "s,@LI-VERS@,(`cat ../majvers`.`cat ../minvers`) +`date`," \ ++ -e "s,@LI-MINVERS@,`cat ../minvers`," \ ++ -e "s,@LI-MAJVERS@,`cat ../majvers`," \ ++ -e "s,@LI-CC@,\"$(CC) -c $(FINAL_CFLAGS)\"," \ ++ -e "s,@LI-LD@,\"$(CC) -o \"," \ ++ -e "s,@LI-LD-LIBS@,\"$(LD_LIBS_PRE) -l$* +$(LD_LIBS_POST)\"," \ ++ -e "s,@LI-OPT-THREE@,\"$(O3FLAGS)\"," \ ++ -e "s,@LI-OPT-TWO@,\"$(O2FLAGS)\"," \ ++ -e "s,@LI-INIT-LSP@,\"$@\"," >$@ + + saved_%:raw_% $(RSYM) init_%.lsp \ + $(CMPDIR)/cmpmain.lsp \ +@@ -108,21 +109,21 @@ + + libgcl.a: $(FIRST_FILE) $(OBJS) sys_gcl.o $(LAST_FILE) gmpfiles +bfdfiles + rm -rf $@ +- ar rs $@ $(filter %.o,$^) $(shell find gmp bfd -name "*.o") ++ libtool -static -o $@ $(filter %.o,$^) $(shell find gmp bfd +-name "*.o") + + libxgcl.a: libgcl.a + ln -snf $< $@ + + libansi_gcl.a: $(FIRST_FILE) $(OBJS) $(ANSIOBJS) sys_ansi_gcl.o +$(LAST_FILE) gmpfiles bfdfiles + rm -rf $@ +- ar rs $@ $(filter %.o,$^) $(shell find gmp bfd -name "*.o") ++ libtool -static -o $@ $(filter %.o,$^) $(shell find gmp bfd +-name "*.o") + + libpcl_gcl.a: $(FIRST_FILE) $(OBJS) $(PCLOBJS) sys_pcl_gcl.o +$(LAST_FILE) gmpfiles bfdfiles + rm -rf $@ +- ar rs $@ $(filter %.o,$^) $(shell find gmp bfd -name "*.o") ++ libtool -static -o $@ $(filter %.o,$^) $(shell find gmp bfd +-name "*.o") + + raw_%: lib%.a libgclp.a $(SYSTEM_OBJS) $(EXTRAS) +- $(CC) -o raw_$*$(EXE) $(filter %.o,$^) \ ++ $(CC) -Wl,-headerpad,1f000 -o raw_$*$(EXE) $(filter %.o,$^) \ + -L. $(EXTRA_LD_LIBS) $(LD_LIBS_PRE) -l$* $(LD_LIBS_POST) + + clean: + +4- Configure with : + +./configure --enable-debug --enable-machine=powerpc-macosx +--disable-statsysbfd --enable-custreloc + + + +_______________________________________________ +Gcl-devel mailing list +Gcl-devel@gnu.org +http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel + + +============================================================================= + + + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Ok, I did a co -r Version_2_6_1 +> What machine is the iMac OS X supposed to be? +> The configure script didn't figure it out. +> +> Tim Daly +> axiom@tenkan.org +> daly@idsi.net +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Gcl-devel mailing list +> Gcl-devel@gnu.org +> http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 16:34:19 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5A9O-0005a0-JP + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:34:14 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5A9M-0005Z7-Q8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:34:12 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5A8p-00056w-Vl + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:34:11 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5A8o-000544-Re + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:33:39 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5A8e-0004sD-00; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:33:28 -0400 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Aurelian +References: <200310011242.h91CgjYJ082385@grimreaper.grondar.org> + <200310011305.h91D5Uf00904@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <54he2tt1so.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310021314.h92DE9h31219@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 02 Oct 2003 16:33:28 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310021314.h92DE9h31219@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <54d6dfbcrr.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 27 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:34:13 -0000 + +Hi Tim! The Mac OS X GCL developer. I think you wrote to him +earlier? I cc'ed him on the imac email I sent you earlier today. +Please let me know if you need/want his address. + +Take care, + +Tim Daly writes: + +> 7) Has Aurelian been in touch with you? +> +> Who is Aurelian? +> +> TIm +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 16:41:05 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5AG0-00011W-UE + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:41:04 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5AFy-000108-BK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:41:02 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5AFR-0000lw-Pi + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:41:00 -0400 +Received: from [134.93.178.129] (helo=mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A5AFR-0000lE-8i + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:40:29 -0400 +Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.49]) + by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h92KeO7E013184; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:40:24 +0200 (MEST) +Received: from exstore1.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:40:23 +0200 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:40:24 +0200 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4C0@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: hypertex viewer +Thread-Index: AcOJJWxqd6wE2UCETDaV8VtP/MNP+Q== +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 20:40:23.0995 (UTC) + FILETIME=[678328B0:01C38925] +Cc: daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] hypertex viewer +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:41:03 -0000 + +Would it be possible to use texmacs as an hypertexviewer? +It supports math, links.. + +Juergen + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 17:46:22 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5BHC-00045s-Ga + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:46:22 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5BHA-00045a-MF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:46:20 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5BGd-0003wJ-OC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:46:18 -0400 +Received: from [134.93.130.78] (helo=mailgate3.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A5BGd-0003vh-6F + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:45:47 -0400 +Received: from zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.8.20]) + by mailgate3.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h92Ljhch003430 + (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:45:43 +0200 (MEST) +Received: from zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id + h92LjgMb073613; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:45:42 +0200 (CEST) + (envelope-from weiss@uni-mainz.de) +Received: (from weiss@localhost) + by zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id h92LjgBY073610; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:45:42 +0200 (CEST) +X-Authentication-Warning: zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE: weiss set sender to + weiss@uni-mainz.de using -f +Sender: weiss@uni-mainz.de +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +From: Juergen Weiss +Date: 02 Oct 2003 23:45:41 +0200 +Message-ID: +Lines: 124 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Fix for case in filenames +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:46:21 -0000 + + +The following patch preserves case in filenames during +the build process. + +Index: util.lisp.pamphlet +=================================================================== +RCS file: /cvsroot/axiom/axiom/src/interp/util.lisp.pamphlet,v +retrieving revision 1.1 +diff -c -r1.1 util.lisp.pamphlet +*** util.lisp.pamphlet 28 Aug 2003 14:23:40 -0000 1.1 +--- util.lisp.pamphlet 2 Oct 2003 21:39:10 -0000 +*************** +*** 44,50 **** + #+:AKCL + (in-package "BOOT") + (push :oldboot *features*) +! (mapcar #'load-a-file load-files) + (make-depsys lsp src int obj mnt sys) + (initroot spad) + #+:AKCL +--- 44,50 ---- + #+:AKCL + (in-package "BOOT") + (push :oldboot *features*) +! (mapcar #'load load-files) + (make-depsys lsp src int obj mnt sys) + (initroot spad) + #+:AKCL +*************** +*** 131,137 **** + :array 400 :string 500 :cfun 100 :cpages 1000 + :rpages 1000 :hole 2000) + <> +! (mapcar #'load-a-file load-files) + (|resetWorkspaceVariables|) + (|initHist|) + (|initNewWorld|) +--- 131,137 ---- + :array 400 :string 500 :cfun 100 :cpages 1000 + :rpages 1000 :hole 2000) + <> +! (mapcar #'load load-files) + (|resetWorkspaceVariables|) + (|initHist|) + (|initNewWorld|) +*************** +*** 142,159 **** + #+:CCL + (resethashtables) + (setq *load-verbose* nil) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| comp-functions (mapcar #'filename-downcase +! comp-files)) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| parse-functions (mapcar #'filename-downcase +! parse-files)) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| browse-functions (mapcar #'filename-downcase +! browse-files)) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| translate-functions (mapcar #'filename-downcase +! translate-files)) +! (|setNAGBootAutloadProperties| nagbr-functions (mapcar #'filename-downcase +! nagbr-files)) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| asauto-functions (mapcar #'filename-downcase +! asauto-files)) + (setf (symbol-function 'boot::|addConsDB|) #'identity) + (resethashtables) ; the databases into core, then close the streams + ) +--- 142,153 ---- + #+:CCL + (resethashtables) + (setq *load-verbose* nil) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| comp-functions comp-files) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| parse-functions parse-files) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| browse-functions browse-files) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| translate-functions translate-files) +! (|setNAGBootAutloadProperties| nagbr-functions nagbr-files) +! (|setBootAutloadProperties| asauto-functions asauto-files) + (setf (symbol-function 'boot::|addConsDB|) #'identity) + (resethashtables) ; the databases into core, then close the streams + ) +Index: Makefile.pamphlet +=================================================================== +RCS file: /cvsroot/axiom/axiom/src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet,v +retrieving revision 1.3 +diff -c -r1.3 Makefile.pamphlet +*** Makefile.pamphlet 5 Sep 2003 22:14:19 -0000 1.3 +--- Makefile.pamphlet 2 Oct 2003 21:39:11 -0000 +*************** +*** 525,531 **** + @ echo '(load "${OUT}/nocompil")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(load "${OUT}/util")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(in-package "BOOT")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp +! @ echo '(build-depsys (quote (${DEP})) "${SPAD}" "${GCLDIR}" "${SRC}" "${INT}" "${OBJ}" "${MNT}" "${SYS}")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(unless (probe-file "${OUT}/postpar.${O}") (compile-file "${OUT}/postpar.${LISP}" :output-file "${OUT}/postpar.${O}"))' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(load "${OUT}/postpar")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(unless (probe-file "${OUT}/parse.${O}") (compile-file "${OUT}/parse.${LISP}" :output-file "${OUT}/parse.${O}"))' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp +--- 525,531 ---- + @ echo '(load "${OUT}/nocompil")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(load "${OUT}/util")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(in-package "BOOT")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp +! @ echo '(build-depsys (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${DEP}))) "${SPAD}" "${GCLDIR}" "${SRC}" "${INT}" "${OBJ}" "${MNT}" "${SYS}")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(unless (probe-file "${OUT}/postpar.${O}") (compile-file "${OUT}/postpar.${LISP}" :output-file "${OUT}/postpar.${O}"))' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(load "${OUT}/postpar")' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp + @ echo '(unless (probe-file "${OUT}/parse.${O}") (compile-file "${OUT}/parse.${LISP}" :output-file "${OUT}/parse.${O}"))' >> ${OUT}/makedep.lisp +*************** +*** 599,605 **** + @ echo '(in-package "BOOT")' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp + @ touch ${TIMESTAMP} + @ echo '${YEARWEEK}' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp +! @ echo '(build-interpsys (append (quote (${OBJS})) (quote (${ASCOMP})) (quote (${INOBJS}))) (quote (${OPOBJS})) (quote (${OCOBJS})) (quote (${BROBJS})) (quote (${TRANOBJS})) (quote (${NAGBROBJS})) (quote (${ASAUTO})) "${SPAD}" "${LSP}" "${SRC}" "${INT}" "${OBJ}" "${MNT}" "${SYS}")' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp + @ echo '(in-package "SCRATCHPAD-COMPILER")' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp + # @ echo '(|shoeInternFile| "${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/msgs/co-eng.msgs")' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp + @ echo '(boot::set-restart-hook)' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp +--- 599,605 ---- + @ echo '(in-package "BOOT")' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp + @ touch ${TIMESTAMP} + @ echo '${YEARWEEK}' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp +! @ echo '(build-interpsys (append (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${OBJS}))) (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${ASCOMP}))) (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${INOBJS})))) (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${OPOBJS}))) (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${OCOBJS}))) (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${BROBJS}))) (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${TRANOBJS}))) (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${NAGBROBJS}))) (quote ($(patsubst %, "%", ${ASAUTO}))) "${SPAD}" "${LSP}" "${SRC}" "${INT}" "${OBJ}" "${MNT}" "${SYS}")' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp + @ echo '(in-package "SCRATCHPAD-COMPILER")' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp + # @ echo '(|shoeInternFile| "${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/msgs/co-eng.msgs")' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp + @ echo '(boot::set-restart-hook)' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp + + +-- +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 17:59:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5BU7-0003SU-2S + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:59:43 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5BU4-0003RS-Nw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:59:40 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5BTS-0003Di-V5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:59:34 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.36] (helo=toclean1-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5BON-0002Cc-8R + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:53:47 -0400 +Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.34]) + by toclean1-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id + <20031002215345.CMYN14523.toclean1-srv.bellnexxia.net@tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net>; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:53:45 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP + id <20031002215344.GMMU24262.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:53:44 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: "'Weiss, Juergen'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] hypertex viewer +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:53:43 -0400 +Message-ID: <000001c3892f$a8b09980$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +In-Reply-To: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4C0@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:59:41 -0000 + +Juergen, + +My answer would be "yes, in principle". + +TeXmacs is quite sophisticatd in the way it displays +mathematics and it has a fairly good facility to import +LaTeX files but it's internal file format is not based +on LaTeX. We would have to convert the existing files +to TeXmacs format and fix the links etc. + +With the ability of TeXmacs to actually execute Axiom +commands and to serve as a "worksheet" interface to +Axiom, I think it would be a natural thing to have it +do the hypertex browsing as well. + +I would be willing to try to convert some of the +existing files to TeXmacs format as an experiment. +Where can I get the files? + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: +> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org +> [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu +> .org] On Behalf Of Weiss, Juergen +> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:40 PM +> To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Cc: daly@idsi.net +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] hypertex viewer +> +> +> Would it be possible to use texmacs as an hypertexviewer? +> It supports math, links.. +> +> Juergen +> +> Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +> weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +> +49(6131)39-26407 +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-> developer +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 18:10:02 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5Be5-0001I1-K8 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:10:01 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5Be3-0001HL-WB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:09:59 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5Bcr-0000Gz-L3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:09:16 -0400 +Received: from [131.215.49.69] (helo=earth-ox.its.caltech.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5Bcp-0000CT-2L + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:08:43 -0400 +Received: from fire-dog (fire-dog [192.168.1.4]) + by earth-ox-postvirus (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB1D109A74 + for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:08:41 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from earth-ox ([192.168.1.9]) + by fire-dog (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; + Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:08:39 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from caltech.edu (japie.caltech.edu [131.215.86.30]) + by earth-ox.its.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E24109A74 + for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT) +Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:07:57 -0700 +Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +From: Jaap Weel +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Message-Id: +X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Missing files in tarball +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:10:00 -0000 + +Using =A0=A0axiom-debian-3.0-linux-i386-cvs-2003-09-28.tar.gz + +(1) -> )copyright +cat: /home/weel/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/copyright: No such file or directory +(1) -> )quit + + +This seems like a very minor problem that's purely there because the +tarball had the lib/ directory removed entirely. Maybe the copyright +file should go somewhere else? + + /jaap + +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +Jaap Weel Campus address: | dorm (626) 795-9748 +Caltech, Blacker '05 Caltech MSC #874, Pasadena, CA 91126, U.S.A. +www.its.caltech.edu/~weel Permanent address: | home +31-46-4337033 +E-mail: weel@caltech.edu Kelderstraat 2-4, 6171 GB Stein, Netherlands +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 02 20:04:28 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5DQp-00025r-Rr + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:04:27 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5DQm-000246-Mo + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:04:24 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5DQG-0001kA-C9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:04:23 -0400 +Received: from [203.52.176.30] (helo=br-dmz.paradigmgeo.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5DQD-0001j5-4g + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:03:49 -0400 +Received: from water ([192.168.180.42]) + by br-dmz.paradigmgeo.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id h92NqYNC032338; + Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:52:35 +1000 +From: "Mike Thomas" +To: +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows +Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:06:07 +1000 +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) +In-Reply-To: <200310021704.h92H4v714241@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:04:26 -0000 + +Hi Tim. + +| On my desk, at least, the windows port is stalled waiting a running GCL +| under mingw. This probably exists but I don't have it yet. + +A prebuilt 2.6.1 installer is at Camm's temp web site: + + http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/stable-binary/ + +Cheers + +Mike Thomas. + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 01:03:56 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5I6e-0003Vb-6V + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:03:56 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5I6a-0003Uh-It + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:03:52 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5I63-0003Gp-RX + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:03:50 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A5I63-0003Bl-JD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:03:19 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.55] (helo=tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5I2i-0005Jr-0x + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:59:52 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP + id <20031003045944.TPKE23449.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:59:44 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: "'Mike Thomas'" , + +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows +Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:59:40 -0400 +Message-ID: <000001c3896b$2be379e0$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:03:53 -0000 + +Mike, + +When I tried the install of prebuild GCL 2.6.1 on my +Windows XP system I got the following DOS window and +error message: + +----------- + +GCL (GNU Common Lisp) (2.6.1) Fri Sep 19 10:41:07 EAST 2003 +Licensed under GNU Library General Public License +Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter + +Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. + +Error: Cannot create the file c:/lang/gcl261/bin/gcl. +Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging +Error signalled by LET. +Broken at OPEN. Type :H for Help. +>> + +------------ + +This didn't happen in previous builds. Can I get +around this somehow? + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: +> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org +> [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu +> .org] On Behalf Of Mike Thomas +> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:06 PM +> To: daly@idsi.net +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows +> +> +> Hi Tim. +> +> | On my desk, at least, the windows port is stalled waiting a running +> | GCL under mingw. This probably exists but I don't have it yet. +> +> A prebuilt 2.6.1 installer is at Camm's temp web site: +> + http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/stable-binary/ + +Cheers + +Mike Thomas. + + + + +_______________________________________________ +Axiom-developer mailing list +Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 01:19:06 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5ILK-0000qx-9s + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:19:06 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5ILG-0000n6-TZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:19:02 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5IKk-0000c5-HQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:19:01 -0400 +Received: from [203.52.176.30] (helo=br-dmz.paradigmgeo.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5IKi-0000aS-IO + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:18:30 -0400 +Received: from water ([192.168.180.42]) + by br-dmz.paradigmgeo.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9357ANC001826; + Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:07:11 +1000 +From: "Mike Thomas" +To: "Bill Page" , +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows +Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:20:43 +1000 +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) +In-Reply-To: <000001c3896b$2be379e0$6501a8c0@Asus> +X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:19:04 -0000 + +Hi Bill. + +This is a classic example of why I shouldn't test an installer on my build +machine - there is a hard-wired path problem which I thought I had fixed, +but... + +The workaround seems to be to set the install directory to + + c:/lang/gcl261/ + +at the start of the installer run, rather than accepting the default. + +Sorry for the trouble, + +Mike Thomas. + + +| -----Original Message----- +| From: Bill Page [mailto:bill.page1@sympatico.ca] +| Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:00 PM +| To: 'Mike Thomas'; daly@idsi.net +| Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +| Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows +| +| +| Mike, +| +| When I tried the install of prebuild GCL 2.6.1 on my +| Windows XP system I got the following DOS window and +| error message: +| +| ----------- +| +| GCL (GNU Common Lisp) (2.6.1) Fri Sep 19 10:41:07 EAST 2003 +| Licensed under GNU Library General Public License +| Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter +| +| Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. +| +| Error: Cannot create the file c:/lang/gcl261/bin/gcl. +| Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging +| Error signalled by LET. +| Broken at OPEN. Type :H for Help. +| >> +| +| ------------ +| +| This didn't happen in previous builds. Can I get +| around this somehow? +| +| Cheers, +| Bill Page. +| +| +| > -----Original Message----- +| > From: +| > axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org +| > [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu +| > .org] On Behalf Of Mike Thomas +| > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:06 PM +| > To: daly@idsi.net +| > Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +| > Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows +| > +| > +| > Hi Tim. +| > +| > | On my desk, at least, the windows port is stalled waiting a running +| > | GCL under mingw. This probably exists but I don't have it yet. +| > +| > A prebuilt 2.6.1 installer is at Camm's temp web site: +| > +| http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/stable-binary/ +| +| Cheers +| +| Mike Thomas. +| +| +| +| +| _______________________________________________ +| Axiom-developer mailing list +| Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +| http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +| +| + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 01:25:15 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5IRG-0003nI-UZ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:25:14 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5IRE-0003jm-3q + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:25:12 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5IQg-0003R1-TL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:25:11 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.55] (helo=tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5IQg-0003Pr-CN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:24:38 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP + id <20031003052435.VZGE23449.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:24:35 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: "'Mike Thomas'" , + +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows +Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:24:32 -0400 +Message-ID: <000101c3896e$a4934a70$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:25:13 -0000 + +Yes, that did it. Thanks! + +> +> The workaround seems to be to set the install directory to +> +> c:/lang/gcl261/ +> +> at the start of the installer run, rather than accepting the default. +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 01:30:54 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5IWk-0006RI-BE + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:30:54 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5IWV-0006Q3-7K + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:30:39 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5IVy-00063S-S2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:30:37 -0400 +Received: from [203.52.176.30] (helo=br-dmz.paradigmgeo.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5IVx-000623-PH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:30:06 -0400 +Received: from water ([192.168.180.42]) + by br-dmz.paradigmgeo.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id h935InNC001909; + Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:18:51 +1000 +From: "Mike Thomas" +To: "Bill Page" , +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows - newer package on it's way +Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:32:21 +1000 +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) +In-Reply-To: +X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:30:40 -0000 + +Hi again. + +| This is a classic example of why I shouldn't test an installer on my build +| machine - there is a hard-wired path problem which I thought I had fixed, +| but... + +In fact I had fixed it, I just realised that I accidentally uploaded an +older archive. The new one will hopefully make it onto Camm's site within a +day. It will have the date stamp 20030929. + +Until then, use that workaround anyway. + +Cheers + +Mike Thomas. + + +| +| The workaround seems to be to set the install directory to +| +| c:/lang/gcl261/ +| +| at the start of the installer run, rather than accepting the default. +| +| Sorry for the trouble, +| +| Mike Thomas. +| +| +| | -----Original Message----- +| | From: Bill Page [mailto:bill.page1@sympatico.ca] +| | Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:00 PM +| | To: 'Mike Thomas'; daly@idsi.net +| | Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +| | Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows +| | +| | +| | Mike, +| | +| | When I tried the install of prebuild GCL 2.6.1 on my +| | Windows XP system I got the following DOS window and +| | error message: +| | +| | ----------- +| | +| | GCL (GNU Common Lisp) (2.6.1) Fri Sep 19 10:41:07 EAST 2003 +| | Licensed under GNU Library General Public License +| | Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter +| | +| | Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. +| | +| | Error: Cannot create the file c:/lang/gcl261/bin/gcl. +| | Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging +| | Error signalled by LET. +| | Broken at OPEN. Type :H for Help. +| | >> +| | +| | ------------ +| | +| | This didn't happen in previous builds. Can I get +| | around this somehow? +| | +| | Cheers, +| | Bill Page. +| | +| | +| | > -----Original Message----- +| | > From: +| | > axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org +| | > [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu +| | > .org] On Behalf Of Mike Thomas +| | > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:06 PM +| | > To: daly@idsi.net +| | > Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +| | > Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] windows +| | > +| | > +| | > Hi Tim. +| | > +| | > | On my desk, at least, the windows port is stalled waiting a running +| | > | GCL under mingw. This probably exists but I don't have it yet. +| | > +| | > A prebuilt 2.6.1 installer is at Camm's temp web site: +| | > +| | http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/stable-binary/ +| | +| | Cheers +| | +| | Mike Thomas. +| | +| | +| | +| | +| | _______________________________________________ +| | Axiom-developer mailing list +| | Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +| | http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +| | +| | +| +| +| +| +| _______________________________________________ +| Axiom-developer mailing list +| Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +| http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +| +| + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 12:58:30 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TG9-0007wP-MQ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:58:29 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TG5-0007tx-OR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:58:25 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TFX-0007bb-V0 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:58:23 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A5TDo-0006SI-Oy + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:56:04 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=mwinf0401.wanadoo.fr) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5T7J-00010F-Fa + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:49:21 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-31-157.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.248.97.157]) by mwinf0401.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 757F15800422; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:49:19 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5T7G-0000O1-00; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:49:18 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <200310021654.h92GsEt12920@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:49:18 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310021654.h92GsEt12920@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> (Tim Daly's + message of "Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:54:14 -0400") +Message-ID: <878yo2clm9.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: kudos +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:58:27 -0000 + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Please add Mark Murray to the website kudos list. + +done. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 13:07:30 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TOr-0007YR-Ln + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:07:29 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TOp-0007YG-Ka + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:07:27 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TOG-0007P9-Nx + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:07:23 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.30] (helo=mwinf0102.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5TOG-0007Ov-8G + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:06:52 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-31-157.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.248.97.157]) by mwinf0102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 0FE261BFD372; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:06:51 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5TOD-0000Um-00; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:06:49 +0200 +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Fix for case in filenames +References: +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:06:49 +0200 +In-Reply-To: (Juergen Weiss's + message of "02 Oct 2003 23:45:41 +0200") +Message-ID: <87zngib68m.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:07:28 -0000 + +Juergen Weiss writes: + +> The following patch preserves case in filenames during +> the build process. + +I have added your patch to the bug database: +http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=5059&group_id=2938 +[bug #5059] Axiom does not compile with upshifted characters in path + +Could you next time use 'diff -Naur' to produce your patch? Unified diff +(-u option) is much easier to understand. Moreover, it is the prefered +form requested by our benevolent dictator (aka Tim). + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 13:09:33 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TQr-00081Z-5q + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:09:33 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TQl-00080n-I8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:09:27 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TQF-0007rR-Cl + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:09:26 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A5TQE-0007kA-LW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:08:54 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=mwinf0603.wanadoo.fr) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5TGK-0001u6-Ot + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:58:40 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-31-157.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.248.97.157]) by mwinf0603.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 10FD62400285; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:58:39 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5TGD-0000TX-00; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:58:33 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net, Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] windows +References: <200310021704.h92H4v714241@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:58:31 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310021704.h92H4v714241@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> (Tim Daly's + message of "Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:04:57 -0400") +Message-ID: <874qyqcl6w.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:09:28 -0000 + +Hello Tim, + +Tim Daly writes: + +> The Mandrake port is hanging on a missing shared library. + +Which library is missing? + +> The SuSE port is hanging on an installation hitch. Plus my SuSE version +> is 6.4 due to the fact that I can't find iso images online and I can't +> connect the machine to the net for a network install. + +SuSE doesn't play the free software game. I don't see why we should do +free work for them (except of course for ATWD[1]). + +Yours, +d. + +[1] ATWD: Axiom Total Word Domination +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 13:12:35 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TTn-0000Sv-Nc + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:12:35 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TTl-0000SL-No + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:12:33 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TTF-0000HV-O0 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:12:32 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=mwinf0603.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5TTE-0000Gu-JB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:12:00 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-31-157.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.248.97.157]) by mwinf0603.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id A79A5240026F; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:11:52 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5TSd-0000V7-00; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:11:23 +0200 +To: Jaap Weel +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Missing files in tarball +References: +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:11:20 +0200 +In-Reply-To: (Jaap Weel's + message of "Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:07:57 -0700") +Message-ID: <87vfr6b613.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:12:34 -0000 + +Jaap Weel writes: + +> (1) -> )copyright +> cat: /home/weel/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/copyright: No such file or directory +> (1) -> )quit + +I have added the bug to the database: +http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=4581&group_id=2938 +[bug #4581] )summary and )copyright does not work + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 13:18:12 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TZC-0002id-Tv + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:18:10 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TZ3-0002gX-Qd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:18:01 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5TYX-0002Jd-1X + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:17:59 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0803.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5TYV-0002IV-Fy + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:17:27 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-31-157.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.248.97.157]) by mwinf0803.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 98DC918000AA; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:17:19 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5TXr-0000VL-00; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:16:47 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net, Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] kudos +References: <200310021654.h92Gsqj12925@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:16:43 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310021654.h92Gsqj12925@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> (Tim Daly's + message of "Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:54:52 -0400") +Message-ID: <87r81ub5s4.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:18:03 -0000 + +Hi Tim, + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Could someone volunteer to tar up the latest CVS as a source tarball +> and post it on the download page? + +Done. + +I notice you uploaded an ungzipped (despite its .tgz suffix) source tree +at the root of the download section. + +I have gzipped, renamed and moved it into +axiom_cvs.pkg/cvs_2003-10-02/axiom-src-cvs-2003-10-02.tar.gz + +It is now in the Axiom_cvs section. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 14:54:34 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5V4P-0002Xw-4V + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:54:29 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5V4L-0002WO-4x + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:54:25 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5V3o-0002Jh-1m + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:54:23 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A5V3n-0002Iz-Ka + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:53:51 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.37] (helo=toclean2-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5V2q-0004UF-UD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:52:52 -0400 +Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.34]) + by toclean2-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id + <20031003185221.EELP17213.toclean2-srv.bellnexxia.net@tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net>; + Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:52:21 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP + id <20031003185218.LGIY24262.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:52:18 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: "'Mike Dewar'" +Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:52:17 -0400 +Message-ID: <001501c389df$7ad222d0$6601a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: <20031002101216.B17384@nag.co.uk> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, texmacs-dev@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] [Texmacs-dev] New tm_axiom.c & question on stderr +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:54:27 -0000 + +Mike, + +So if I understand you correctly, what TeXmacs really aught +to do is to invoke just the interpreter via AXIOMsys - not +the whole "Superman" thing. Right? This way, there will +always only be one prompt. The fact that TeXmacs used to +expect two prompts was an accident due to the fact that it +(incorrectly) invoked more that what is really required for +the TeXmacs-Axiom interface. + +So, both the old and new versions of Axiom should be compatible +with the new version of the tm_axiom.c program *provided* we +agree to call the new Axiom interpreter by the name AXIOMsys. +We should reserve the name 'axiom' for the invoking Superman +when/if it becomes available in the new open source version. + +So far I a very pleased with the combination of TeXmacs and +Axiom. I am so used to working with a Maple/Matematica style +"worksheet" interface, that play with the command line mode +of Axiom (or even Maple for that matter) just seems too awkward. +And of course TeXmacs has the advantage that it can simultaneously +interface with a large number of open source computer algebra +and related packages, include gnuplot, macsyma, R (statistics), +etc. and *also* Maple - all from one worksheet environment! + +The Axiom tutorial tex files that you sent look promising +for conversion to TeXmacs format. I will spend a bit of time +on that over the next few days. + +Thanks. + +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Mike Dewar [mailto:miked@nag.co.uk] +> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:12 AM +> To: Bill. Page1 E-mail" +> Cc: 'texmacs-dev@gnu.org'; 'axiom-developer@nongnu.org' +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] New +> tm_axiom.c & question on stderr +> +> +> Hi Bill, +> +> There seems to be a misconception that the NAG version of +> Axiom puts out two prompts on startup while the Open version +> puts out one. This is not actually true: the Axiom +> interpreter (invoked via the command `AXIOMsys' in the NAG +> version, and presumably via `axiom' in your version) only +> puts out one prompt: the reason you can see two is that sman +> (the "Superman" process that manages communication between +> the interpreter, hyperdoc, browser, graphics etc.) causes the +> interpreter to start a new frame, which forces a new prompt +> (you can do the same by typing ")frame new foo"). Once Tim +> gets sman working the Open version will presumably work in +> the same way. So your new tm_axiom ought to work the same +> way with both versions if they are invoked in the equivalent +> way. +> +> I haven't seen the TeXmacs interface to Axiom but we used to +> maintain a TeX-based interface under Windows (based on IBM's +> TechExplorer) and it had lots of nice features - a TeX +> version of the browser, the ability to execute worksheets +> etc. Some of this code was embedded in the front-end but the +> browser code, for example, was all in boot. The main file in +> question was br-saturn.boot ("saturn" was IBM's pre-release name +> for TechExplorer) and we also used the $saturn variable to test +> whether we were in TechExplorer or not in a few places (this +> was so we could use the same CCL image files for both the +> TechExplorer and shell interfaces of Axiom under Windows). +> It might be worth somebody trying to resurrect this code - +> the only hitch I can foresee is that we added a grep command +> to CCL (coded in C) since Windows doesn't have a grep +> program, but you can always spawn off a system command under +> Unix (which is what the original IBM version of Axiom did) to +> get the same result. +> +> Mike. +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 03 14:59:54 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5V9b-0000Ei-Tr + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:59:51 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5V9W-0008TZ-0v + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:59:46 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5V8z-0007sg-7W + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:59:44 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5V8u-0007ft-EJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:59:08 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (46.179.252.64.snet.net [64.252.179.46]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h93Ix5rQ164590; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:59:05 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93Ix5c19935; + Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:59:05 -0400 +Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:59:05 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310031859.h93Ix5c19935@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: miked@nag.co.uk +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] tutorial +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:59:50 -0000 + +Mike, + +A minor nit... is the tutorial being released under the Axiom modified BSD? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 06:22:51 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5jYp-0008Vc-8i + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:22:51 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5jYn-0008VE-Gc + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:22:49 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5jYH-0008OH-AQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:22:48 -0400 +Received: from [62.231.131.211] (helo=mail22.messagelabs.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5jYG-0008NZ-KU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:22:16 -0400 +X-VirusChecked: Checked +X-Env-Sender: miked@nag.co.uk +X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-22.messagelabs.com!1065262933!1290379 +X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=nag.co.uk,-,- +Received: (qmail 11009 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 10:22:13 -0000 +Received: from smtp-4.star.net.uk (212.125.75.73) + by server-8.tower-22.messagelabs.com with SMTP; + 4 Oct 2003 10:22:13 -0000 +Received: (qmail 24194 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 10:22:12 -0000 +Received: from nagmx1.nag.co.uk (HELO nag.co.uk) (62.231.145.242) + by smtp-4.star.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 10:22:12 -0000 +Received: from brackley.nag.co.uk (brackley.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.21]) + by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10202; + Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:22:05 +0100 (BST) +Received: from nag.co.uk (IDENT:root@trowbridge.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.69]) + by brackley.nag.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h94APkY21688; + Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:25:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from miked@nag.co.uk) +Received: (from miked@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27897; + Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:21:44 +0100 +Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:21:44 +0100 +From: Mike Dewar +To: root +Message-ID: <20031004112144.A27894@nag.co.uk> +References: <200310031859.h93Ix5c19935@localhost.localdomain> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i +In-Reply-To: <200310031859.h93Ix5c19935@localhost.localdomain>; + from daly@idsi.net on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:59:05PM -0400 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tutorial +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:22:50 -0000 + +Yes, there should be a copyright notice in each file. +Mike. + +On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:59:05PM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> Mike, +> +> A minor nit... is the tutorial being released under the Axiom modified BSD? 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For more information on a proactive +anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: +http://www.star.net.uk +________________________________________________________________________ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 06:48:14 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5jxN-0003t1-Er + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:48:13 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5jxK-0003sG-Rd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:48:10 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5jwo-0003jb-JE + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:48:09 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5juF-0003PY-Nm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:44:59 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-21-159.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.51.125.159]) by mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 6D4964007F9; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:44:57 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5juC-0000OS-00; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:44:56 +0200 +To: "Page, Bill" +Subject: TeX output bug (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: kudos) +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D15@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:44:56 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D15@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill Page's message of "Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:54:58 -0400") +Message-ID: <87wubluvrr.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'daly@idsi.net'" , + bill.page1@sympatico.ca +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:48:11 -0000 + +"Page, Bill" writes: + +> Yes, something as simple as +> +> )set output tex on +> elt("A",1) +> +> shows the problem. + +Bill, I obtain: + +$$ +#\A +\leqno(1) +$$ + +What should be the right output (for the bug database)? + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 06:53:01 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5k0X-0004uz-Dp + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:51:29 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5k0K-0004sd-Or + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:51:16 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5jz9-0004XE-Ae + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:50:34 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5jsA-00033I-9l + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:42:50 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-21-159.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.51.125.159]) by mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 2B0A128000B9; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:42:49 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5js8-0000OM-00; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:42:48 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Axiom source distribution (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] kudos) +References: <200310021654.h92Gsqj12925@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <87r81ub5s4.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:42:48 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <87r81ub5s4.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (David MENTRE's message of "Fri, 03 + Oct 2003 19:16:43 +0200") +Message-ID: <871xttwafr.fsf_-_@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: Tim Daly , axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:51:18 -0000 + +David MENTRE writes: + +> I have gzipped, renamed and moved it into +> axiom_cvs.pkg/cvs_2003-10-02/axiom-src-cvs-2003-10-02.tar.gz + +The uploaded file is about 59 MB. + +I just realized that several releases of GCL are included in this +directory: + +-rwxr-xr-x axiom/axiom 2468549 2002-11-04 21:12:41 axiom/zips/gcl-2.4.1.tgz +-rwxr-xr-x axiom/axiom 2901224 2002-11-21 01:41:45 axiom/zips/gcl-2.4.3.tgz +-rwxr-xr-x axiom/axiom 9759328 2003-03-20 16:32:01 axiom/zips/gcl-2.5.2.tgz +-rwxr-xr-x axiom/axiom 9846811 2003-06-25 05:38:17 axiom/zips/gcl-2.5.3.tar.gz +-rwxr-xr-x axiom/axiom 10017819 2002-11-21 03:52:12 axiom/zips/gcl-2.5.tgz + +I'll repack the source tree with only one GCL release. + +In my own compilation of Axiom, gcl-2.5.2 is used. Is it right? + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 07:02:54 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5kBZ-0003Mh-8S + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:02:53 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5kBW-0003MM-3J + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:02:50 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5kAy-0003Jy-Ns + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:02:48 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5kAy-0003Ju-6b + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:02:16 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-21-159.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.51.125.159]) by mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 0A8F15000307; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:02:15 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5kAw-0000Ox-00; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:02:14 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <200310021654.h92Gsqj12925@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <87r81ub5s4.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <871xttwafr.fsf_-_@wanadoo.fr> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:02:14 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <871xttwafr.fsf_-_@wanadoo.fr> (David MENTRE's message of "Sat, + 04 Oct 2003 12:42:48 +0200") +Message-ID: <87smm9uuyx.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: Tim Daly , axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom source distribution +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:02:51 -0000 + +David MENTRE writes: + +> The uploaded file is about 59 MB. +> +> I just realized that several releases of GCL are included in this +> directory: + +In the same way, ADVI is not currently used. It will free about 4 MB of +download time. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 11:15:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5o8F-0008F2-4g + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:15:43 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5o8C-0008EQ-RK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:15:40 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5o7Y-00084D-6F + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:15:32 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.25] (helo=tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5o7X-000849-Qe + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:14:59 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP + id <20031004151457.WVUN9531.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:14:57 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'David_Mentr=E9'?= , + "'Page, Bill'" +Subject: RE: TeX output bug (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: kudos) +Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:14:55 -0400 +Message-ID: <001501c38a8a$48206b70$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +In-Reply-To: <87wubluvrr.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:15:41 -0000 + +David, + +The LaTeX output of + + elt("A",1) + +should just be + +$$ +A +\leqno(1) +$$ + +Note that this is directly related to the bug that +I posted earlier + + +http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=3Ddetailbug&bug_id=3D5614&group_id=3D= +293 +8 + +BTW, I really like what you have done with the Axiom +home page! + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: David Mentr=E9 [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 6:45 AM +> To: Page, Bill +> Cc: 'daly@idsi.net'; bill.page1@sympatico.ca; +> axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: TeX output bug (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: kudos) +> +> +> "Page, Bill" writes: +> +> > Yes, something as simple as +> > +> > )set output tex on +> > elt("A",1) +> > +> > shows the problem. +> +> Bill, I obtain: +> +> $$ +> #\A +> \leqno(1) +> $$ +> +> What should be the right output (for the bug database)? +> +> Yours, +> d. +> -- +> david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 11:19:28 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5oBr-0001Xe-Ad + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:19:27 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5oBo-0001Sc-0Q + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:19:24 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5oBA-0000e7-AG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:19:15 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.104] (helo=tomts30-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5oB7-0000by-Q4 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:18:41 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts30-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031004151839.GUUA25124.tomts30-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:18:39 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: "'Mike Dewar'" , + "'root'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Re: tutorial +Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:18:39 -0400 +Message-ID: <001601c38a8a$ccac26e0$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +In-Reply-To: <20031004112144.A27894@nag.co.uk> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:19:25 -0000 + +Mike, Tim; + +My experiment with TeXmacs with the tutorial files is +turning out to be very promising. The conversion is +quite straight-forward. TeXmacs style customization +ability seems to be able to accommodate most of the +embedded non-standard LaTeX. I should have a draft for +review later this weekend. + +How should I handle the copyright notice in these +files? Perhaps there should be a link on each page +to a separate copyright notice? + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: +> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org +> [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu +> .org] On Behalf Of Mike Dewar +> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 6:22 AM +> To: root +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tutorial +> +> +> Yes, there should be a copyright notice in each file. +> Mike. +> +> On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:59:05PM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> > Mike, +> > +> > A minor nit... is the tutorial being released under the +> Axiom modified +> > BSD? +> > +> > Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 11:26:06 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5oII-0006lY-EW + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:26:06 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5oIF-0006lO-Rc + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:26:03 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5oHj-0006Qy-5f + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:26:02 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.25] (helo=tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5oHi-0006Qv-Qt + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:25:30 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP + id <20031004152528.XGGU9531.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:25:28 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'David_Mentr=E9'?= +Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:25:28 -0400 +Message-ID: <001701c38a8b$c0724f70$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +In-Reply-To: <87wubluvrr.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] bug list +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:26:04 -0000 + +David, + +I think the following bug is "fixed" + +http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=4584&group_id=293 +8 + +it was apparently due to a problem with the use of +incompatible database files. There "value stack overflows" +no longer occur with the database files provided by +Juergen and which have been incorporated into the CVS. + +Tim, is this correct? If so, I think we should close it. + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 11:27:16 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5oJP-0007L3-WE + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:27:16 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5oJL-0007Jl-NK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:27:11 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5oIo-0006va-Vi + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:27:10 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5oIo-0006vQ-MV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:26:38 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (82.178.252.64.snet.net [64.252.178.82]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h94FQSrQ107878; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:26:28 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94FQSj21471; + Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:26:28 -0400 +Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:26:28 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310041526.h94FQSj21471@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +In-reply-to: <001601c38a8a$ccac26e0$6501a8c0@Asus> (bill.page1@sympatico.ca) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: tutorial +References: <001601c38a8a$ccac26e0$6501a8c0@Asus> +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:27:14 -0000 + +Bill, + +All copyright notices in source files now say: + +/* See LICENSE.AXIOM for Copyright */ + +I had several dozen email discussions about this. Embedding the copyright +text into the source files does NOT change the copyright to be "more +effective" in any way and is complete overkill. The copyright notices +were collected into the LICENSE directory so they could be consistently +managed. + +Please replace all copyright text, no matter where it occurs, by the above text. +Of course, if the copyright is not NAG's copyright you need to change it +appropriately. If it is a new copyright notice that is not in the LICENSE +subdirectory then let me handle it. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 12:37:17 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5pPA-0005OT-UQ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:37:16 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5pP8-0005Nf-Hv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:37:14 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5pOc-0005FT-Jm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:37:13 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5pO6-0004xe-7E; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:36:10 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5pO3-0000ZK-00; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:36:07 -0400 +To: Aurelien Chanudet +References: +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 04 Oct 2003 12:36:07 -0400 +In-Reply-To: +Message-ID: <54r81t55ag.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 85 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, root , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] native relocation on Mac OS X +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 16:37:15 -0000 + +Great work Aurelian! + +1) Do you have access to a publicly accesible ftp directory which I + may poll in the webpage autoupdate script? If you upload files + with, say, the name gcl_.*_macosx.tar.gz there, where .* is a + version string, the script will install the latest built binary + tarball on the website. + +Aurelien Chanudet writes: + +> Hi all, +> +> As a first step towards using BFD to perform native relocation on Mac +> OS X, I've written some code to load, link and natively relocate +> object files on Mac OS X. As a result, fasloading can now be achieved +> without using the external ld linker. +> + +I think there is a small confusion -- you've been using cust-reloc +thus far, and this method, as well as the bfd method, do not use the +external ld (or ld.so). Only images using dlopen *must* build maxima, +acl2, and axiom via the external ld (e.g. the alternate maxima gcl +link, the compiler::link patches I've posted to the axiom list +recently under the section labeled '2)'). Other images *can* use the +external ld linking method if they prefer, but *native* relocation and +image saving with a simple call to save-system works as well and is +generally preferred. You might want to look at the longish post I +submitted recently to the axiom list. + + +> This took me longer than expected, because I had to manually address +> relocation overflows that might occur when the branch displacement +> does not fit in 24 bits. I know gcc 3.3 has a "-mlongcall" flag but +> I'm still using gcc 3.1 for some other reason. (Apple's gcc has its +> own "-mlongbranch" flag, but this didn't help, though.) +> + +I've found that some of the acl2 tests on powerpc-linux fail unless I +use -mlongcall for the same reason. configure puts in this switch +automatically for ppc linux. + +2) At some point, we need to setup configure defaults for your macosx + build. + +> The first good news is that Maxima 5.9.0 now successfully compiles +> without the alternate linking mechanism. "make check" chokes on +> "Problem 43". I suspect this corresponds to the 3rd issue listed under +> the "Know issues" section of the "NEWS" file included in the source +> directory. +> + +Should be one known failure in maxima's 'make check'. + +> The second good news is that acl2 also compiles fine. I've run "make +> check" yet for acl2, as this took me over one night the last time I +> did it, but I'm planning to. +> + +Great! + +3) Are you in touch with Tim Daly regarding GCL/Mac/axiom? + +4) Is your latest posted patch list the latest? I'd like to merge in + any changes you've needed. + +5) Is your bfd linking working though a patch to the GCL bfd tree, + i.e. you use locbfd? If so, perhaps we could convince BFD upstream + to apply it? + +> Aurelien +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Gcl-devel mailing list +> Gcl-devel@gnu.org +> http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 13:54:06 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5qbV-00085k-Ti + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:54:05 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5qbS-00084I-Kv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:54:02 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5qao-0007ro-UH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:53:54 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5qao-0007rN-LI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:53:22 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-23-194.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.7.194]) + by mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 326EF4007B6; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 19:53:21 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A5qal-0000Eh-00; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:53:19 +0200 +To: "Bill Page" +References: <001501c38a8a$48206b70$6501a8c0@Asus> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:53:19 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <001501c38a8a$48206b70$6501a8c0@Asus> (Bill Page's message of + "Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:14:55 -0400") +Message-ID: <87ekxs28kw.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: Antoine Hersen , "'Page, + Bill'" , axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: TeX output bug +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:54:04 -0000 + +"Bill Page" writes: + +> Note that this is directly related to the bug that +> I posted earlier +> +> +> http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=5614&group_id=2938 + +Oops, you're right. I had forgotten. + +> BTW, I really like what you have done with the Axiom +> home page! + +I'm not alone. Antoine has done most if not all of the design. Many +thanks for both of us. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 15:01:20 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5rea-0003wO-D8 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:01:20 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5reY-0003vy-Fr + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:01:18 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5re2-0003B1-JJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:01:17 -0400 +Received: from [134.93.178.129] (helo=mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A5rdz-00032r-Nt + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:00:43 -0400 +Received: from zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.8.20]) + by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h94J0R7F015089 + (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); 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\ + rm -rf D01AGNT.NRLIB ; \ +- ${SPADBIN}/notangle -R"package D01AGNT D01AgentsPackage" ${IN}/d01agents.spad.pamphlet >D01AGNT.spad ) ++ ${SPADBIN}/notangle -R"package D01AGNT d01AgentsPackage" ${IN}/d01agents.spad.pamphlet >D01AGNT.spad ) + + @ + <>= +@@ -11357,7 +11387,7 @@ + <>= + ${OUTSRC}/expr2ups.spad: ${IN}/expr2ups.spad.pamphlet + @ echo 0 making ${OUTSRC}/expr2ups.spad from ${IN}/expr2ups.spad.pamphlet +- @(cd ${MID} ; \ ++ @(cd ${OUTSRC} ; \ + ${SPADBIN}/notangle ${IN}/expr2ups.spad.pamphlet >expr2ups.spad ) + + @ +@@ -28649,7 +28679,7 @@ + @ echo 0 making ${MID}/SRDCMPK.spad from ${IN}/sregset.spad.pamphlet + @(cd ${MID} ; \ + rm -rf SRDCMPK.NRLIB ; \ +- ${SPADBIN}/notangle -R"package SRDCMPK SquareFreeRegularSetDecompositionPackge" ${IN}/sregset.spad.pamphlet >SRDCMPK.spad ) ++ ${SPADBIN}/notangle -R"package SRDCMPK SquareFreeRegularSetDecompositionPackage" ${IN}/sregset.spad.pamphlet >SRDCMPK.spad ) + + @ + <>= +@@ -32199,7 +32229,7 @@ + @ echo 0 making ${MID}/RGCHAIN.spad from ${IN}/zerodim.spad.pamphlet + @(cd ${MID} ; \ + rm -rf RGCHAIN.NRLIB ; \ +- ${SPADBIN}/notangle -R"package RGCHAIN LexTriangularPackage" ${IN}/zerodim.spad.pamphlet >RGCHAIN.spad ) ++ ${SPADBIN}/notangle -R"domain RGCHAIN RegularChain" ${IN}/zerodim.spad.pamphlet >RGCHAIN.spad ) + + @ + <>= + + + +This is a patch adds the missing algebra files. It's an +preliminary hotfix only. + +Index: Makefile.pamphlet +=================================================================== +RCS file: /cvsroot/axiom/axiom/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet,v +retrieving revision 1.2 +diff -u -a -r1.2 Makefile.pamphlet +--- Makefile.pamphlet 29 Sep 2003 03:16:22 -0000 1.2 ++++ Makefile.pamphlet 4 Oct 2003 18:54:15 -0000 +@@ -1011,7 +1011,37 @@ + ${OUT}/IRRF2F.o ${OUT}/LAPLACE.o ${OUT}/LIMITPS.o ${OUT}/LODEEF.o \ + ${OUT}/NODE1.o ${OUT}/ODECONST.o ${OUT}/ODEINT.o ${OUT}/REP.o \ + ${OUT}/SOLVERAD.o ${OUT}/SULS.o ${OUT}/SUPXS.o ${OUT}/ULS.o \ +- ${OUT}/ULSCONS.o ${OUT}/UPXS.o ${OUT}/UPXSCONS.o ${OUT}/UTS.o ++ ${OUT}/ULSCONS.o ${OUT}/UPXS.o ${OUT}/UPXSCONS.o ${OUT}/UTS.o \ ++ ${OUT}/SIGNEF.o \ ++ ${OUT}/FSPRMELT.o \ ++ ${OUT}/REGSET.o \ ++ ${OUT}/RSETGCD.o \ ++ ${OUT}/SFRTCAT.o \ ++ ${OUT}/SFRGCD.o \ ++ ${OUT}/SFQCMPK.o \ ++ ${OUT}/SREGSET.o \ ++ ${OUT}/LAZM3PK.o \ ++ ${OUT}/NORMPK.o \ ++ ${OUT}/QCMPACK.o \ ++ ${OUT}/SRDCMPK.o \ ++ ${OUT}/SOLVETRA.o \ ++ ${OUT}/ASP29.o \ ++ ${OUT}/D01AGNT.o \ ++ ${OUT}/NTSCAT.o \ ++ ${OUT}/SNTSCAT.o \ ++ ${OUT}/CPIMA.o \ ++ ${OUT}/COMBF.o \ ++ ${OUT}/INBFF.o \ ++ ${OUT}/LODO.o \ ++ ${OUT}/LODO1.o \ ++ ${OUT}/LODO2.o \ ++ ${OUT}/SUBSPACE.o \ ++ ${OUT}/STTF.o \ ++ ${OUT}/LEXTRIPK.o \ ++ ${OUT}/IRURPK.o \ ++ ${OUT}/RGCHAIN.o \ ++ ${OUT}/RURPK.o \ ++ ${OUT}/ZDSOLVE.o + + @ + + + +-- +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 17:03:16 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5tYa-0008Nh-FS + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:03:16 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5tYX-0008L0-5H + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:03:13 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5tXz-0008AL-Qj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:03:10 -0400 +Received: from [134.93.178.129] (helo=mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A5tXz-0008A8-Cb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:02:39 -0400 +Received: from exfront02.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront02.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.50]) + by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h94L2b7E005860 + for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 23:02:37 +0200 (MEST) +Received: from exstore1.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront02.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Sat, 4 Oct 2003 23:02:36 +0200 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 23:02:36 +0200 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4C2@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: function MANEXP missing in sf.spad +Thread-Index: AcOKutbnELdSXoTQQn6aJgVwxgiXpA== +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2003 21:02:37.0198 (UTC) + FILETIME=[D6FD4AE0:01C38ABA] +Subject: [Axiom-developer] function MANEXP missing in sf.spad +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 21:03:14 -0000 + +Seems that the lisp function MANEXP is missing +in gcl and cmu lisp. The function is called +from sf.spad function manexp. It seems that +integer-decode-float is almost a replacement +for manexp. Is there any documentation what +manexp or MANEXP is supposed to do? + +Juergen Weiss + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 04 18:22:39 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5unP-0002r8-Kj + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:22:39 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5unN-0002qa-5D + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:22:37 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A5ump-0002eF-W4 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:22:35 -0400 +Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A5umi-0002br-24 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:22:00 -0400 +Received: from panamint ([81.96.76.222]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com + (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP + id <20031004222154.OQFN2197.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@panamint>; + Sat, 4 Oct 2003 23:21:54 +0100 +Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 23:21:53 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) +From: Arthur Norman +To: "Weiss, Juergen" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] function MANEXP missing in sf.spad +In-Reply-To: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4C2@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +Message-ID: +References: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4C2@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-X-Sender: acn1@imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:22:37 -0000 + +On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Weiss, Juergen wrote: +> Seems that the lisp function MANEXP is missing +> in gcl and cmu lisp. The function is called +> from sf.spad function manexp. It seems that +> integer-decode-float is almost a replacement +> for manexp. Is there any documentation what +> manexp or MANEXP is supposed to do? +> +> Juergen Weiss +> +The code I ended up with was + + +static Lisp_Object Lmanexp(Lisp_Object nil, Lisp_Object a) +{ + int x; + double f; + if (! is_float(a)) aerror1("arg is not a floating-point number", a); + f = float_of_number(a); + f = frexp(f, &x); + errexit(); + return onevalue(cons(make_boxfloat(f,TYPE_DOUBLE_FLOAT), + fixnum_of_int(x))); +} + +Ie it expects a float, splits into integer and fraction part and returns a +cons of the fraction as a double-precision number and the integer part as +an integer. My implementation only supports values wheer the integer part +is small enough to be a fixnum, and does what C does wrt "fractional +part". Right now I do not recall exactly where the spec came from but that +was what went into CSL to support the NAG effort on Axiom. + + Arthur + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 05 04:33:50 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A64Ks-0006B2-MD + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:33:50 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A64Kr-0006Ax-K3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:33:49 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A64KL-0005vN-Se + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:33:48 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0802.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A64KL-0005vK-6B + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:33:17 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-25-133.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.40.133]) + by mwinf0802.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id E50AC180009D; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:33:15 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A64KJ-0000Jc-00; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:33:15 +0200 +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Patches and Fixes to some Makefiles +References: +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:33:14 +0200 +In-Reply-To: (Juergen Weiss's + message of "04 Oct 2003 21:00:26 +0200") +Message-ID: <87vfr4w0c5.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:33:50 -0000 + +Hello Juergen, + +Juergen Weiss writes: + +> INTERP.EXPOSED is remade every time make is run + +> There are some typos in the algebra/Makefile + +I have added both patches as a new bug: +http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=5743&group_id=2938 +[bug #5743] Makefile issues: INTERP.EXPOSED is remade every time & typos +in the algebra/Makefile + +> This is a patch adds the missing algebra files. It's an +> preliminary hotfix only. + +I left this one out because I was not sure about this status. What do +you mean by "preliminary hotfix only"? Or should I add it to [bug #5379] +"Missing algebra (was: package CombinatorialFunction (COMBF) is +missing)" that's containing your comment on the out-of-date database +issue? + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 05 04:37:58 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A64Or-0006bK-Rw + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:37:57 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A64Op-0006Zi-H9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:37:55 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A64OJ-0006T6-GD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:37:54 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A64OJ-0006Sm-0U + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:37:23 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-25-133.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.40.133]) + by mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id E00AAA400198; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:37:21 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A64OH-0000Jm-00; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:37:21 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom source distribution +References: <200310021654.h92Gsqj12925@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <87r81ub5s4.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <871xttwafr.fsf_-_@wanadoo.fr> + <87smm9uuyx.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:37:20 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <87smm9uuyx.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (David MENTRE's message of "Sat, 04 + Oct 2003 13:02:14 +0200") +Message-ID: <87r81sw05b.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: Tim Daly , axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:37:56 -0000 + +David MENTRE writes: + +> David MENTRE writes: +> +>> The uploaded file is about 59 MB. +>> +>> I just realized that several releases of GCL are included in this +>> directory: +> +> In the same way, ADVI is not currently used. It will free about 4 MB of +> download time. + +Ok, I have uploaded a source tree without the unused gcl and advi. It's +new size is 21.35MB instead of 49 MB. Much more reasonable. :) + +If somebody has some spare CPU time, it would be nice to give it a try, +to check I have not left out required parts. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 05 04:43:55 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A64Ud-000474-8U + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:43:55 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A64UZ-00042d-P9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:43:51 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A64U1-00034Y-KM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:43:48 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A64Tz-0002yi-Gu + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:43:15 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-25-133.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.40.133]) + by mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 6E4D1500029A; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:43:14 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A64Tx-0000KB-00; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:43:13 +0200 +To: "Bill Page" , + Tim Daly +References: <001701c38a8b$c0724f70$6501a8c0@Asus> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:43:13 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <001701c38a8b$c0724f70$6501a8c0@Asus> (Bill Page's message of + "Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:25:28 -0400") +Message-ID: <87n0cgvzvi.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: bug list +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:43:53 -0000 + +"Bill Page" writes: + +> I think the following bug is "fixed" +> +> http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=4584&group_id=293 +> 8 +> +> it was apparently due to a problem with the use of +> incompatible database files. There "value stack overflows" +> no longer occur with the database files provided by +> Juergen and which have been incorporated into the CVS. +> +> Tim, is this correct? If so, I think we should close it. + +You're right Bill. The proposed patch in bug #4584 is included in the +source tree as patch zips/gcl-2.5.2.o.main.c.patch and applied during +build process. + +I close the bug. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 05 05:19:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A653G-00080U-Pz + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 05:19:42 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A653E-0007zh-Vd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 05:19:40 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A652i-0007wT-H6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 05:19:39 -0400 +Received: from [134.93.178.129] (helo=mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A652i-0007wQ-3a + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 05:19:08 -0400 +Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.49]) + by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h959J67E013919; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:19:06 +0200 (MEST) +Received: from exstore1.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:19:06 +0200 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Patches and Fixes to some Makefiles +Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:19:05 +0200 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC046C6422@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: [Axiom-developer] Patches and Fixes to some Makefiles +Thread-Index: AcOLG2Yca9jj5KgUR1ybF+uAV1LvgwABcwpA +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: "David MENTRE" +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2003 09:19:06.0038 (UTC) + FILETIME=[B9972D60:01C38B21] +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:19:41 -0000 + +I'm not exactly sure which mechanism Tim +uses to order the files. So I labeled the +patch as preliminary. + +Juergen Weiss + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: David MENTRE [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:33 AM +> To: Weiss, Juergen +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Patches and Fixes to some Makefiles +> +> +> Hello Juergen, +> +> Juergen Weiss writes: +> +> > INTERP.EXPOSED is remade every time make is run +> +> > There are some typos in the algebra/Makefile +> +> I have added both patches as a new bug: +> http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=3Ddetailbug&bug_id=3D5743&gr +oup_id=3D2938 +[bug #5743] Makefile issues: INTERP.EXPOSED is remade every time & typos +in the algebra/Makefile + +> This is a patch adds the missing algebra files. It's an +> preliminary hotfix only. + +I left this one out because I was not sure about this status. What do +you mean by "preliminary hotfix only"? Or should I add it to [bug #5379] +"Missing algebra (was: package CombinatorialFunction (COMBF) is +missing)" that's containing your comment on the out-of-date database +issue? + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 05 11:21:04 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6Agx-0007FN-SS + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 11:21:03 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6Agv-0007CG-Tv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 11:21:01 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6AgP-0006vn-Sm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 11:21:00 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6AgP-0006vC-Gm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 11:20:29 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (114.176.252.64.snet.net [64.252.176.114]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h95FKSpS228162 + for ; 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6 Oct 2003 08:43:56 -0000 +Received: from brackley.nag.co.uk (brackley.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.21]) + by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12410; + Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:43:44 +0100 (BST) +Received: from nag.co.uk (IDENT:root@trowbridge.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.69]) + by brackley.nag.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h968lSY27547; + Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:47:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from miked@nag.co.uk) +Received: (from miked@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02121; + Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:43:09 +0100 +Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:43:09 +0100 +From: Mike Dewar +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] [Texmacs-dev] New tm_axiom.c & question on + stderr +Message-ID: <20031006094309.B2110@nag.co.uk> +References: <20031002101216.B17384@nag.co.uk> + <001501c389df$7ad222d0$6601a8c0@Asus> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i +In-Reply-To: <001501c389df$7ad222d0$6601a8c0@Asus>; + from bill.page1@sympatico.ca on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:52:17PM + -0400 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, texmacs-dev@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:48:49 -0000 + +Hi Bill, + +Thats absolutely right. In the NAG version of the software `axiom' was +just a shell script which started sman with various options. + +The only problem I can envisage is that without sman you cannot use +the unix graphics or browser (hyperdoc will work on its own provided it +doesn't need to communicate with the running Axiom interpreter). For +our own TeX-based interface on Windows we dispensed with sman completely +and had everything running smoothly through TechExplorer except for the +graphics which needed an external program to display (SceneViewer, an +OpenGL renderer which we licensed from Template Graphics Software). + +Mike. + +On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:52:17PM -0400, Bill Page wrote: +> Mike, +> +> So if I understand you correctly, what TeXmacs really aught +> to do is to invoke just the interpreter via AXIOMsys - not +> the whole "Superman" thing. Right? This way, there will +> always only be one prompt. The fact that TeXmacs used to +> expect two prompts was an accident due to the fact that it +> (incorrectly) invoked more that what is really required for +> the TeXmacs-Axiom interface. +> +> So, both the old and new versions of Axiom should be compatible +> with the new version of the tm_axiom.c program *provided* we +> agree to call the new Axiom interpreter by the name AXIOMsys. +> We should reserve the name 'axiom' for the invoking Superman +> when/if it becomes available in the new open source version. +> +> So far I a very pleased with the combination of TeXmacs and +> Axiom. I am so used to working with a Maple/Matematica style +> "worksheet" interface, that play with the command line mode +> of Axiom (or even Maple for that matter) just seems too awkward. +> And of course TeXmacs has the advantage that it can simultaneously +> interface with a large number of open source computer algebra +> and related packages, include gnuplot, macsyma, R (statistics), +> etc. and *also* Maple - all from one worksheet environment! +> +> The Axiom tutorial tex files that you sent look promising +> for conversion to TeXmacs format. I will spend a bit of time +> on that over the next few days. +> +> Thanks. +> +> Bill Page. +> +> > -----Original Message----- +> > From: Mike Dewar [mailto:miked@nag.co.uk] +> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:12 AM +> > To: Bill. Page1 E-mail" +> > Cc: 'texmacs-dev@gnu.org'; 'axiom-developer@nongnu.org' +> > Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] New +> > tm_axiom.c & question on stderr +> > +> > +> > Hi Bill, +> > +> > There seems to be a misconception that the NAG version of +> > Axiom puts out two prompts on startup while the Open version +> > puts out one. This is not actually true: the Axiom +> > interpreter (invoked via the command `AXIOMsys' in the NAG +> > version, and presumably via `axiom' in your version) only +> > puts out one prompt: the reason you can see two is that sman +> > (the "Superman" process that manages communication between +> > the interpreter, hyperdoc, browser, graphics etc.) causes the +> > interpreter to start a new frame, which forces a new prompt +> > (you can do the same by typing ")frame new foo"). Once Tim +> > gets sman working the Open version will presumably work in +> > the same way. So your new tm_axiom ought to work the same +> > way with both versions if they are invoked in the equivalent +> > way. +> > +> > I haven't seen the TeXmacs interface to Axiom but we used to +> > maintain a TeX-based interface under Windows (based on IBM's +> > TechExplorer) and it had lots of nice features - a TeX +> > version of the browser, the ability to execute worksheets +> > etc. Some of this code was embedded in the front-end but the +> > browser code, for example, was all in boot. The main file in +> > question was br-saturn.boot ("saturn" was IBM's pre-release name +> > for TechExplorer) and we also used the $saturn variable to test +> > whether we were in TechExplorer or not in a few places (this +> > was so we could use the same CCL image files for both the +> > TechExplorer and shell interfaces of Axiom under Windows). +> > It might be worth somebody trying to resurrect this code - +> > the only hitch I can foresee is that we added a grep command +> > to CCL (coded in C) since Windows doesn't have a grep +> > program, but you can always spawn off a system command under +> > Unix (which is what the original IBM version of Axiom did) to +> > get the same result. +> > +> > Mike. +> > +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> ________________________________________________________________________ +> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. 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For more information on a proactive +anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: +http://www.star.net.uk +________________________________________________________________________ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 06 12:29:33 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6YEn-0006kd-1b + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:29:33 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6YEk-0006jg-ND + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:29:30 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6YE9-0006a7-VJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:29:25 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0803.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6YE8-0006ZO-SN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:28:53 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-7-42.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.13.129.42]) + by mwinf0803.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 3A05B18004D4; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:28:48 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A6YE3-0000u4-00; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:28:47 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net, Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] *yearweek* +References: <200310051826.h95IQjK30273@localhost.localdomain> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:28:46 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310051826.h95IQjK30273@localhost.localdomain> (daly@idsi.net's + message of "Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:26:45 -0400") +Message-ID: <87k77i9vpd.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:29:31 -0000 + +root writes: + +> "Bug 4587 )lisp *yearweek* is broken" can now be closed. +> I've updated the explanation in src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet. + +Bug closed. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 01:48:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6ki9-00014H-Jc + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:48:41 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6ki6-00013a-II + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:48:38 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6khZ-0000YB-61 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:48:37 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6khY-0000VD-PN; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:48:04 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h975m1UX087274; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:01 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h975m0K1087198; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:00 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:28 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D2D@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'dpt@math.harvard.edu'" +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:25 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-mail@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Axiom-mail] Looking for beginning with axiom. +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 05:48:39 -0000 + +Axiom Users; + +I have completed a first draft of the "Axiom with TeXmacs" +tutorial. You can download it from Axiom_Tutorial at + + http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=axiom + +This draft includes information about graphics and the +library browser although these functions have not yet been +implemented in the current alpha release of Axiom. Some of +this functionality may change depending how or if these +functions are integrated with TeXmacs. + +The problem with inconsistent application of the +axiom-tutorial.ts stylesheet should now be corrected. + +For reference and convenience, I have also included a single +PDF file containing the entire tutorial. It is not necessary +to install TeXmacs or Axiom in order to view this PDF file. + +As usual, I am very interested in your comments, suggestions, +corrections and criticisms. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu +> [mailto:dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu] +> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:20 PM +> To: Bill Page +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Looking for beginning with axiom. +> +> +> On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:21:15AM -0400, Bill Page wrote: +> > Are you still having this problem? It sounds like TeXmacs +> > is not loading the 'axiom-tutorial.ts' stylesheet where +> > these things are defined. Make sure that the file +> > 'axiom-tutorial.ts' is in the same directory as +> > 'tutorialTOC.tm'. +> +> It's still happening. It doesn't happen on the main table of +> contents, +> but when I get to oneStep01.tm I get all those tags. I tried copying +> axiom-tutorial.ts into the oneStep directory, but it didn't help. +> +> It also doesn't happen everywhere; there are some places where I see +> AXIOM. +> +> Peace, +> Dylan +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 10:28:50 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6spW-0002sA-8c + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:28:50 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6spT-0002rp-Cs + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:28:47 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6sox-0002jn-Gp + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:28:46 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6sox-0002VE-1u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:28:15 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h97ERNv03058; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:27:23 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h97DnkV08144; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:49:46 -0400 +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:49:46 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310071349.h97DnkV08144@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: wurmli@hispeed.ch +In-reply-to: <200310071027.h97ARhF09740@localhost.localdomain> (message from + root on Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:27:43 -0400) +References: <200310071027.h97ARhF09740@localhost.localdomain> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Lost mail? GET-CURRENT-DIRECTORY bug +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:28:48 -0000 + +Hans Peter (wurmli@hispeed.ch) wrote: + +> I tried to post a question to the mail-list, but it didn't seem to arrive. +> The mailing address I chose was "axiom-mail@nongnu.org" and the subject: +> ")library XY => System errror". +> +> Do I have to subscribe to the mailing lists, before I can post? +> +> Kind regards +> +> Hans Peter + +Yes, I believe the mailing lists are set up so that you have to +subscribe although I can't find an option that states that fact. +Otherwise we'd all get rich, have cheap medicine, and be as handsome +as I am naturally. :-) I checked the archives and, indeed, your mail +was never archived. + +> +> P.S. This was the message: +> +> Quote +> I am using axiom compiled from CVS of 2003-10-3 (on a Debian machine) and +> trying to run library code found on the Internet (itovsn3). The library +> command causes an error: +> +> (1) -> )library BSD +> +> >> System error: +> GET-CURRENT-DIRECTORY is invalid as a function. +> +> protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) +> +> Could someone maybe give me a hint what's going wrong? + +The lousy, untalented, worthless, good-for-nothing lead developer +let the code get out the door without extensive testing? Well, +that's the most likely reason. It's a bug. We'll record it and +get it fixed. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 10:36:46 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6sxB-0006RZ-3N + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:36:45 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6sx5-0006PT-Ej + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:36:39 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6swW-0006Ii-VC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:36:37 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6swU-0006Hu-Il + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:36:02 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h97EZKv03064; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:35:20 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h97Du0p08168; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:56:00 -0400 +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:56:00 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310071356.h97Du0p08168@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: fmaltey@nerim.fr +In-reply-to: <200310071026.h97AQvF09736@localhost.localdomain> (message from + root on Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:26:57 -0400) +References: <200310071026.h97AQvF09736@localhost.localdomain> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: several lines in a xterm +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:36:41 -0000 + + +François Maltey wrote: + +> axiom inside texmacs is fine and I can type several lines with +> [shift-return]. But I prefer use my old emacs or an xterm and I can't do so. +> +> How can I input one command in several lines. +> Must I do a file and type after )read file.input ? +> Is there another possibility with pipe ? +> +> Must my emacs add a _ at the end of every line, and then how can I +> input an if...then...else ? +> +> Thanks a lot if you have an idea. +> +> François + +if you type: + +if (1 = 1) _ +then output 2 _ +else output 3 + +to an axiom prompt inside an emacs buffer the IF statement is recognized. +The trailing _ is the line continuation character for the axiom read function. +I always work in emacs and generally use Ctrl-x 2 to split the screen, +run axiom in one buffer and edit code in the other. +(Ctrl-x o jumps to the other buffer). +(Ctrl-x 1 will return to single-buffer mode). + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 11:01:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6tLL-0000in-En + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:01:43 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6tLJ-0000i0-J2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:01:41 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6tHn-0008GL-Md + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:58:34 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6tHB-00085i-PZ; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:57:30 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h97Eupv03083; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:56:51 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h97EJEg10501; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:19:14 -0400 +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:19:14 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310071419.h97EJEg10501@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: fmaltey@nerim.fr +In-reply-to: <200310071026.h97AQI009732@localhost.localdomain> (message from + root on Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:26:18 -0400) +References: <200310071026.h97AQI009732@localhost.localdomain> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom-math@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: partfrac, expand, combine, + rewrite and simplify. +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:01:42 -0000 + + +> // 1 // +> I use mupad and I find very pretty the only 4 commands : +> expand, combine, rewrite and simplify (with or without an option) +> +> expand (binomial (n, 3)) -> n(n-1)(n-2)/6 +> expand (sin (2*x)) -> 2 sin(x) cos(x) +> +> combine (sin(x)^2, sincos) ->(1-cos(2x))/2 +> +> rewrite (..., opt) with opt=exp, sincos, sinhcosh, etc. +> for rewriting +> +> simplify tries to simplify, but it's not so sure. +> +> In axiom I find a lot of functions as factorials, htrigs, expandTrigProducts +> but no pretty front-end function. Is there ? +> What tells axiom about such general functions ? +> + +Unfortunately your question doesn't seem to have a simple answer. +I've never used mupad but it appears that the functions you mention +are using a tree-like representation of the expression and allow you +to manipulate the tree. + +Axiom produces answers whose appearance depends on the type. For example: + +-> (x+1)/17 + + 1 1 + -- x + -- + 17 17 + Type: Polynomial Fraction Integer + +so the first input gets output as a polynomial of the form A*x+B +where A=1/17 and B=1/17. + +-> %::Fraction(Polynomial(Integer)) + + x + 1 + ----- + 17 + Type: Fraction Polynomial Integer + +(% is the last result. "::" does type conversion) + +We then asked for a fraction whose numerator and denominator are +polynomials over the integers. So we wanted a fraction of the form: +(A*x+B)/(C*x+D) and got one with A=1, B=1, C=0, D=17 + +The output you get depends on the type you request. + + +> // 2 // +> I call partfrac the transform as 2x^3 / (1-x^2) = 1/(1-x) - 1/(1+x) - 2x +> +> What is its name in axiom ? + +The partialFraction function will create a partial fraction thus: + +-> partialFraction(7,12) + + 3 1 + 1 - -- + - + 2 3 + 2 + Type: PartialFraction Integer + +If you need more help let me know and I'll try to resolve the problem. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 12:25:39 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6ueY-0001wg-Rk + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:25:38 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6ueQ-0001tk-Op + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:25:30 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6udu-0001fv-AM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:25:29 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6udo-0001eT-SJ; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:24:52 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 40E3E188D8; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:24:48 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:24:48 -0400 +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: partfrac, expand, combine, + rewrite and simplify. +Message-ID: <20031007162448.GA3617@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <200310071026.h97AQI009732@localhost.localdomain> + <200310071419.h97EJEg10501@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <200310071419.h97EJEg10501@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, fmaltey@nerim.fr, daly@idsi.net, + axiom-math@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:25:36 -0000 + + +--ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:19:14AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> > // 2 // +> > I call partfrac the transform as 2x^3 / (1-x^2) =3D 1/(1-x) - 1/(1+x) -= + 2x +> > +> > What is its name in axiom ? +> +> The partialFraction function will create a partial fraction thus: +> +> -> partialFraction(7,12) +> +> 3 1 +> 1 - -- + - +> 2 3 +> 2 +> Type: PartialFraction Integer + +Right, but this doesn't help with the actual problem! Apparently to +convince partialFraction to work on polynomials you need to provide some +type information. + +Furthermore, I think there's a bug here: + +------ +(8) -> partialFraction((2*x^3), (1-x^2)) + There are 1 exposed and 1 unexposed library operations named + partialFraction having 2 argument(s) but none was determined to + be applicable. [snippage] +(8) -> partialFraction((2*x^3)::UP(x, FRAC INT), (1-x^2)) + + 2x + (8) - 2x - ------ + 2 + x - 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +r) +(9) -> partialFraction((2*x^3), (1-x^2)::UP(x, FRAC INT)) + + 1 1 + (9) - 2x - ----- - ----- + x - 1 x + 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +r) +------ + +Why didn't input (8) above actually do the partial fraction expansion? + +Peace, + Dylan + +--ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/gujPVeybfhaa3tcRAtvqAKChJ76mA8YZB0E8rOmFOzJMQZzUGwCeJIP1 +2hSHS4q737ZJgXbRf1NQ07g= +=uZdg +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 13:17:35 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vSo-0002gV-WA + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:17:34 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vSk-0002f3-Ht + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:17:30 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vS9-0002Ud-D1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:17:24 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6vS7-0002Ty-Qx + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:16:51 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 627DB188D8; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:16:51 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:16:51 -0400 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Message-ID: <20031007171651.GA4224@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" +Content-Disposition: inline +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Display bug for Factored Integer's +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:17:33 -0000 + + +--C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +I think this behaviour is broken: + +---- +(10) -> factor(15) + + (10) 3 5 + Type: Factored Integ= +er +(11) -> )set output tex on +(11) -> factor(15) + + (11) 3 5 +$$ +3 \ 5 +\leqno(11) +$$ + + Type: Factored Integ= +er +---- + +This is made worse by the TeXmacs interface, which strips out the '\ 's, so= + the +answer comes out as '35'. (Personally, I think the extra space is very ugl= +y, +and should not be put in by Axiom in the first place.) + +Peace, + Dylan + +--C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/gvUDVeybfhaa3tcRAmFJAJ43ZYaSeZBUqC/YjQDAAqT/3Nfm/ACbBzRw +uc+rXjBaY2QZpdIpqxJ1nPQ= +=RpqR +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 13:37:23 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vlz-0006ku-77 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:37:23 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vlw-0006k5-AH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:37:20 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vlQ-0006Yr-8f + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:37:19 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=mwinf0603.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6vlG-0006Rw-Rq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:36:38 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-2-163.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr + [193.252.110.163]) by mwinf0603.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 13A452400C87; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:36:37 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A6vlE-0000cg-00; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:36:36 +0200 +To: "Page, Bill" +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D2D@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:36:33 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D2D@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill Page's message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:25 -0400") +Message-ID: <87r81puezi.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] Looking for beginning with axiom. +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:37:21 -0000 + +Hello Bill, + +"Page, Bill" writes: + +> I have completed a first draft of the "Axiom with TeXmacs" +> tutorial. You can download it from Axiom_Tutorial at + +A lot of work! I've just browsed quickly through the tutorial but it +seems very complete. Many thanks Bill. + +> For reference and convenience, I have also included a single +> PDF file containing the entire tutorial. It is not necessary +> to install TeXmacs or Axiom in order to view this PDF file. + +Good idea. A minor glitch: the produced PDF file is of poor visual +quality on a computer screen. The embedded fonts are bitmap and thus +cannot be anti-aliased on screen (as I have seen on Acrobat Reader on +Windows platform). + +How have you produced the PDF? Through LaTeX? I have tried the latex +export on the tutorialTOC.tm document but it does not include the other +chapters. I also tried tutorialFULL.tm but the produced latex document +is empty. + +If you can produce a latex file corresponding to the tutorial, pdflatex +shall produce a better PDF. And using the hyperref package, you might +also have links inside the PDF document. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 13:38:10 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vmj-00074p-Uf + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:38:09 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vmi-00073L-59 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:38:08 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vkc-0005vp-TO + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:36:30 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vjl-0004Rn-Ob; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:35:05 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h97HYTv03207; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:34:29 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h97GupT20964; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:56:51 -0400 +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:56:51 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310071656.h97GupT20964@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +In-reply-to: <20031007162448.GA3617@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + (dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu) +References: <200310071026.h97AQI009732@localhost.localdomain> + <200310071419.h97EJEg10501@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031007162448.GA3617@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, fmaltey@nerim.fr, daly@idsi.net, + axiom-math@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: partfrac, expand, combine, + rewrite and simplify. +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:38:09 -0000 + +Dylan Thurston wrote: + +>On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:19:14AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +>> > // 2 // +>> > I call partfrac the transform as 2x^3 / (1-x^2) =3D 1/(1-x) - 1/(1+x) -= +> 2x +>> > +>> > What is its name in axiom ? +>> +>> The partialFraction function will create a partial fraction thus: +>> +>> -> partialFraction(7,12) +>> +>> 3 1 +>> 1 - -- + - +>> 2 3 +>> 2 +>> Type: PartialFraction Integer +> +>Right, but this doesn't help with the actual problem! Apparently to +>convince partialFraction to work on polynomials you need to provide some +>type information. +> +>Furthermore, I think there's a bug here: +> +>------ +>(8) -> partialFraction((2*x^3), (1-x^2)) +> There are 1 exposed and 1 unexposed library operations named +> partialFraction having 2 argument(s) but none was determined to +> be applicable. [snippage] +>(8) -> partialFraction((2*x^3)::UP(x, FRAC INT), (1-x^2)) +> +> 2x +> (8) - 2x - ------ +> 2 +> x - 1 +> Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +>r) +>(9) -> partialFraction((2*x^3), (1-x^2)::UP(x, FRAC INT)) +> +> 1 1 +> (9) - 2x - ----- - ----- +> x - 1 x + 1 +> Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +>r) +>------ +> +>Why didn't input (8) above actually do the partial fraction expansion? + +Dylan, + +(1) -> )d op partialFraction + +There is one exposed function called partialFraction : + [1] (D1,Factored D1) -> PartialFraction D1 from PartialFraction D1 + if D1 has EUCDOM + +There are 2 unexposed functions called partialFraction : + [1] (Fraction Polynomial D4,Symbol) -> Any from + PartialFractionPackage D4 + if D4 has Join(EuclideanDomain,CharacteristicZero) + [2] (Polynomial D5,Factored Polynomial D5,Symbol) -> Any + from PartialFractionPackage D5 + if D5 has Join(EuclideanDomain,CharacteristicZero) + +First, I make a couple variables to hold the expressions. +This lets me figure out what the interpreter type is by default: + +(1) -> a:=2*x^3 + + 3 + (1) 2x + Type: Polynomial Integer +(2) -> b:=1-x^2 + + 2 + (2) - x + 1 + Type: Polynomial Integer + +The signature listed above requires that the first argument type +must be a EuclideanDomain (EUCDOM): + +(3) -> Polynomial(Integer) has EUCDOM + + (3) false + Type: Boolean +POLY(INT) is not a EUCDOM. +However, the type you provided is a EUCDOM. + +(4) -> UP(x,FRAC INT) has EUCDOM + + (4) true + + Type: Boolean +So we can make variables that are the correct type: + +(5) -> aa:UP(x,FRAC INT):=2*x^3 + + 3 + (5) 2x + Type: UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) +(6) -> bb:UP(x,FRAC INT):=1-x^2 + + 2 + (6) - x + 1 + Type: UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) + +And the call succeeds: + +(7) -> partialFraction(aa,bb) + + 1 1 + (7) - 2x - ----- - ----- + x - 1 x + 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) + +So partialFraction can create the correct call signature. I suspect the +interpreter created some intermediate type that it couldn't coerce to +the required target type. I agree that it should have been able to +give the factored output but did not. + +If you really want to see the struggles the interpreter is going thru try: + +)lisp (setq |$monitorNewWorld| t) + +and you can see the interpreter trying to find the correct signature +using various coercions. + +I'll put this problem on the list of things to look at but it won't be +in the near future as I'm trying to correct a major distribution problem +and get some documentation available. If you get any insight I'd like +to know. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 13:43:27 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vrq-00028S-K6 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:43:26 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vrk-00027S-9E + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:43:20 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vr7-0001ou-6M + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:43:12 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6vr6-0001ob-GM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:42:40 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-2-163.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr + [193.252.110.163]) by mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 73F7B300045E; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:42:39 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A6vr4-0000d3-00; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:42:38 +0200 +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Lost mail? GET-CURRENT-DIRECTORY bug +References: <200310071027.h97ARhF09740@localhost.localdomain> + <200310071349.h97DnkV08144@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:42:38 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310071349.h97DnkV08144@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> (Tim Daly's + message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:49:46 -0400") +Message-ID: <87n0cduepd.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, wurmli@hispeed.ch +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:43:25 -0000 + +Tim Daly writes: + +>> (1) -> )library BSD +>> +>> >> System error: +>> GET-CURRENT-DIRECTORY is invalid as a function. +>> + +> It's a bug. We'll record it and get it fixed. + +Recorded as bug #5784. +http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=5784&group_id=2938 + +I have the same behavior. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 13:45:36 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vtg-0004QL-7j + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:45:20 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vtP-0003x7-Lq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:45:03 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6vsh-0002zL-56 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:44:51 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6vsg-0002yV-CK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:44:18 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h97Hhlv03217; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:43:47 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h97H6AC22352; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:10 -0400 +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:10 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310071706.h97H6AC22352@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu, david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +In-reply-to: <20031007162448.GA3617@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + (dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu) +References: <200310071026.h97AQI009732@localhost.localdomain> + <200310071419.h97EJEg10501@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031007162448.GA3617@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] factor bug (actually a tex bug) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:45:17 -0000 + +Dylan, + +Yes, tex output is broken. The bug appears to be that elt of a string +in common lisp generates escaped characters. I have it "in process" +on one of my development trees but I'm working to fix an important problem +raised by NAG at the moment so the debugging of this is stalled. Because +I'm changing almost every file and I have to "push" these changes into my +several parallel development trees I'll be busy for most of this week. + +David, could you list this as a separate bug just in case it is not related +to the previous tex output bug? + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 14:06:02 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6wDh-0007Qc-F6 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:06:01 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6wDb-0007HX-Sq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:05:55 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6wD3-0006Zd-Dg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:05:52 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.26] (helo=mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6wD2-0006Yk-NB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:05:20 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-2-163.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr + [193.252.110.163]) by mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id CED426800D94; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:05:19 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A6wD0-0000eD-00; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:05:18 +0200 +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Display bug for Factored Integer's +References: <20031007171651.GA4224@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:05:18 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <20031007171651.GA4224@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> (Dylan + Thurston's message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:16:51 -0400") +Message-ID: <87ekxovs81.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:05:59 -0000 + +dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) writes: + +> (10) -> factor(15) +> +> (10) 3 5 +> Type: Factored Integer +> (11) -> )set output tex on +> (11) -> factor(15) +> +> (11) 3 5 +> $$ +> 3 \ 5 +> \leqno(11) +> $$ +> +> Type: Factored Integer + +Bug recorded as bug #5786. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 14:07:30 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6wF7-0008Pw-Ro + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:07:29 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6wF4-0008NG-Bz + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:07:26 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6wES-00085C-J5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:07:19 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6wER-00084l-Mg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:06:47 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-2-163.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr + [193.252.110.163]) by mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id C54495000D8B; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:06:46 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A6wEP-0000eI-00; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:06:45 +0200 +To: Tim Daly +References: <200310071026.h97AQI009732@localhost.localdomain> + <200310071419.h97EJEg10501@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031007162448.GA3617@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <200310071706.h97H6AC22352@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:06:45 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310071706.h97H6AC22352@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> (Tim Daly's + message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:10 -0400") +Message-ID: <87ad8cvs5m.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: factor bug (actually a tex bug) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:07:27 -0000 + +Tim Daly writes: + +> David, could you list this as a separate bug just in case it is not related +> to the previous tex output bug? + +You want me to record in a separate bug that: "tex output is broken. The +bug appears to be that elt of a string in common lisp generates escaped +characters"? + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 14:53:15 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6wxO-00071B-NU + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:53:14 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6wxL-0006zo-L2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:53:11 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6wul-0006V6-9O + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:51:02 -0400 +Received: from [194.167.30.129] (helo=ka.univ-orleans.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6wsD-0005It-6P + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:47:53 -0400 +Received: from gremi78 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by ka.univ-orleans.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1715B12AD4D + for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:47:52 +0200 (CEST) +From: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:50:19 +0200 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 +Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] Looking for beginning with + axiom. +Message-ID: <3F83270B.20453.14EBB4F@localhost> +Priority: normal +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D2D@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> (Bill + Page's message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:25 -0400") +In-reply-to: <87r81puezi.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:53:13 -0000 + +Hello, + +> Good idea. A minor glitch: the produced PDF file is of poor visual +> quality on a computer screen. The embedded fonts are bitmap and thus +> cannot be anti-aliased on screen (as I have seen on Acrobat Reader on +> Windows platform). + +Yes, this is a defect of Acrobat Reader. It can be avoided by viewing the +pdf with Ghostscript+GSview/ghostview instead (Ghostscript can do +antialising). + +Best wishes + +Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX +ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX +liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr +Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu +"sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 15:02:32 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6x6O-0001uB-1V + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:02:32 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6x6K-0001tV-SV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:02:28 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6x5o-0001jT-EC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:02:27 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6x5F-0001RW-I4; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:01:21 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h97J0mv03303; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:00:48 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h97INA627817; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:23:10 -0400 +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:23:10 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310071823.h97INA627817@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: fmaltey@nerim.fr +In-reply-to: <87ad8df1n5.fsf@ecritoire.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me> + (fmaltey@nerim.fr) +References: <200310071026.h97AQI009732@localhost.localdomain> + <200310071419.h97EJEg10501@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <87ad8df1n5.fsf@ecritoire.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom-math@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: partfrac, expand, combine, + rewrite and simplify. +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:02:30 -0000 + +Francois wrote: +>Daly wrote : +> +>> Unfortunately your question doesn't seem to have a simple answer. +>> I've never used mupad but it appears that the functions you mention +>> are using a tree-like representation of the expression and allow you +>> to manipulate the tree. +>... +> +>Thanks a lot for theses details. +>May I explain why I ask theses questions ? +> +>I'm a mathematical teacher one year after baccalauréat in France. +>In my classroom I must use maple, but for my students mupad is more easy. +>mupad is less expensive and more open than maple, but not free. + +We are talking to various Linux vendors (and will contact Microsoft +and Apple once the ports are done) to try to get Axiom available as +part of the standard distribution. This will ensure that students +have a free, general purpose computer algebra system already available +on every computer. + +Axiom can be compiled and run on Debian and RedHat. Other ports are +underway and will be announced on the +Axiom website. + +>So I'm looking for a CAS wich can do every student calculus as +>integrate, differentiate, sum, solver, matrix... and I'm looking +>if the free axiom can do so in future. +> +>Axiom seems to have a lot of avantages. +>Today I can't make any exercice in my classroom with axiom, +>but my question is "Will it possible to do so in some times ?" + +I am the lead developer on another computer algebra system called Magnus +which has a "zero learning curve" interface. That is, the interface is +designed to be immediately useful to the student without classroom +instruction. + +I'm also a research professor at City College of New York. Our institute +CAISS is +working to develop a series of front ends for a wide range of math +and science courses. The focus is on the course material made available +by MIT's Open Courseware effort. Since MIT's +material is free it gives teachers a good reference for their coursework. +In particular, Gilbert Strang (MIT, math) has a Linear Algebra course +that includes video lectures. These are essential to motivating the +student to both learn on their own and use the software. Hopefully +more of the math and science courses will include video in the future. +(MIT's video lectures are probably not useful in France, however). + +We currently have a statistics course (CAISS-Stat) as our first +test example. The idea is to develop specialized menu-driven front +ends for Axiom that make simplifying assumptions. This makes it +easier to build specific functions, label them in menus as expand, +combine, etc. A whole series of these CAISS-math packages are expected. + +Since the menus are trivial to change and trivial to associate with +any function we expect that professors will be able to change the +system to match their particular course. + +Until we have this available you have to consider types. You can +write programs in Axiom and it is possible to write the kinds of +functions you want as long as you create the correct types. Axiom +knows how to do the things you want but you have to work in the +correct types. + +I'll look at the other items you mentioned in your email as soon as +I get the chance. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 15:13:53 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6xGj-0000PJ-FJ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:13:13 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6xGT-0000Ek-Ss + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:12:57 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6xFd-0007GK-OK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:12:37 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6xFb-0007EO-KJ; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:12:03 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 7A0FE188D8; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:12:01 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:12:01 -0400 +To: Tim Daly +Message-ID: <20031007191201.GA4306@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <200310071026.h97AQI009732@localhost.localdomain> + <200310071419.h97EJEg10501@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031007162448.GA3617@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <200310071656.h97GupT20964@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <200310071656.h97GupT20964@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, fmaltey@nerim.fr, daly@idsi.net, + axiom-math@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: partfrac, expand, combine, + rewrite and simplify. +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:13:11 -0000 + + +--7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 12:56:51PM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> (5) -> aa:UP(x,FRAC INT):=3D2*x^3 +> +> 3 +> (5) 2x +> Type: UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Inte= +ger) +> (6) -> bb:UP(x,FRAC INT):=3D1-x^2 +> +> 2 +> (6) - x + 1 +> Type: UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Inte= +ger) +> +> And the call succeeds: +> +> (7) -> partialFraction(aa,bb) +> +> 1 1 +> (7) - 2x - ----- - ----- +> x - 1 x + 1 +> Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Inte= +ger) +> +> So partialFraction can create the correct call signature. I suspect the +> interpreter created some intermediate type that it couldn't coerce to +> the required target type. I agree that it should have been able to +> give the factored output but did not. + +Note that there is some behaviour which seems to definitely be a bug. To +continue your example: + +(32) -> partialFraction(aa,bb) + + 1 1 + (32) - 2x - ----- - ----- + x - 1 x + 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +r) +(33) -> partialFraction(2*x^3,bb) + + 1 1 + (33) - 2x - ----- - ----- + x - 1 x + 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +r) + +These are fine, but: + +(34) -> partialFraction(aa,1-x^2) + + 2x + (34) - 2x - ------ + 2 + x - 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +r) + +This must be a bug, since the output is not actually a PartialFraction! +(I'm curious if this happens with the NAG version.) + +The fact that partialFraction(2*x^3,1-x^2) doesn't work is more of a +wishlist item, since it doesn't give a wrong answer. Note that +explicitly making the coefficients fractional works: + +(3) -> partialFraction(x^3/2, (x^2-1)/2) + + 1 1 + - - + 2 2 + (3) x + ----- + ----- + x - 1 x + 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +r) + +But we can see the same bug I mentioned above if only the numerator has +a fraction: + +(4) -> partialFraction(x^3/2, x^2-1) + + 1 + - x + 1 2 + (4) - x + ------ + 2 2 + x - 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +r) + + +> If you really want to see the struggles the interpreter is going thru try: +> +> )lisp (setq |$monitorNewWorld| t) +> +> and you can see the interpreter trying to find the correct signature +> using various coercions. + +Thanks! It looks pretty painful, though: I tried to follow it, but failed. + +Peace, + Dylan + +--7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/gxABVeybfhaa3tcRAl4KAJ4zbOjtuSjhATvQZ8yR9O1MuQRuEACfR3Xt +9zzWhpnGauUHQPC5xNpbW0k= +=6lBs +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 15:30:49 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6xXk-0005kq-NZ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:30:48 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6xXf-0005am-Ji + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:30:43 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6xX8-0005O8-3Z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:30:42 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6xWa-0005BI-8y; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:29:36 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h97JT6v03383; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:29:06 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h97IpR430191; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:51:27 -0400 +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:51:27 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310071851.h97IpR430191@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, fmaltey@nerim.fr, daly@idsi.net, + axiom-math@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] partialFraction behavior in Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:30:46 -0000 + +Yes, + +aa:UP(x,FRAC INT):=2*x^3 +partialFraction(aa,1-x^2) + +also fails in the NAG version. I'm almost certain it is an issue of +the interpreter walking itself into some corner of the type system +and failing to find a good resolution. The usual answer is to give +it more information as you did by declaring the types. I'll have to +contemplate the "painful" output and see where it goes astray. + +However, this is related to the general issue of automatic coercions, +types, and simplifications. Somebody needs to write a complete type +graph independent of systems like Axiom (which would be a PhD thesis +or two). Then we could code it up in a less adhoc form. We could +answer questions like "under what conditions can you coerce from a +fraction of polynomials over integers to polynomials over fractions +of integers?" for knarly things like multivariate polynomials. What +is not apparent on the surface is that some of these coercions go thru +intermediate types before reaching the final output (basically a walk +of the type lattice). The problem is very hard. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 16:49:48 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6ymC-00015f-AU + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:49:48 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6ym7-00012L-8V + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:49:43 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A6yla-0000mQ-30 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:49:42 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0802.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6ylZ-0000lk-Cy + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:49:09 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-2-163.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr + [193.252.110.163]) by mwinf0802.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 6E8C41800F4C; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:49:08 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A6ylX-0000ni-00; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:49:07 +0200 +To: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] Looking for beginning with + axiom. +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D2D@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <3F83270B.20453.14EBB4F@localhost> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:49:07 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <3F83270B.20453.14EBB4F@localhost> (michel lavaud's message of + "Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:50:19 +0200") +Message-ID: <87u16ku62k.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:49:46 -0000 + +Hello Michel, + +michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr writes: + +>> Good idea. A minor glitch: the produced PDF file is of poor visual +>> quality on a computer screen. The embedded fonts are bitmap and thus +>> cannot be anti-aliased on screen (as I have seen on Acrobat Reader on +>> Windows platform). +> +> Yes, this is a defect of Acrobat Reader. It can be avoided by viewing the +> pdf with Ghostscript+GSview/ghostview instead + +I'm not sure it is entire Acrobat's fault. I have been able to produce, +under linux, latex documents that can be seen very well under Acrobat. + +But, as I said, it is just a minor point compared to the work that Bill +has done. I just wondered how he has made the PDF. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 18:29:09 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A70KL-0005HU-Jm + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:29:09 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A70KJ-0005HB-Bg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:29:07 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A70Jn-00057Q-81 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:29:06 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A70Jm-00057E-Nz + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:28:34 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h97MSXN4006067; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:28:33 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h97MSWK1005988; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:28:32 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:29:00 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D32@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'David MENTRE'" +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:28:54 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] Looking for beginning with axiom. +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:29:08 -0000 + +David, + +I used TeXmacs to create a master document into which +all the sections of the tutorial are linked (included). +TeXmacs treats this as a single document for producing +the table of contents (I didn't use this) and the index +(which I did use). The it can also be printed as a single +large document, even though all of the pieces are edited +individually. I produced the PDF file from the postscript +output file generated by TeXmacs by passing it through +the ghostscript ps2pdf filter. + +You are right that the quality of the PDF file when +viewed using Acrobat under Windows looks rather "thin +and spotty" on the screen. But if it is printed it looks +fine. This is a known "problem with TeXmacs". But Michel +is right that this is not really a TeXmacs problem per se +but rather a limitation of older versions of Adobe Acrobat +which could display standard LaTeX fonts very well. The +new version Adobe Acrobat reader 6.0 is VERY MUCH better. +And ghostview has been able to view these files properly +in all the versions available over the last couple of +years. + +It is also true what you said David, that it is possible +to get around the limitations of the older version by +using LaTeX and dvi2pdf. This results in substitutions of +fonts for ones more compatible with Windows. But as far +as I can see, this is no longer necessary with Acrobat +Reader 6.0. And if you don't like Acrobat for some +reason ... then you can install Ghostscript 8 and +ghostview under Windows and get the essentially the +same thing. + +I was quite disappointed with the limitations current +version of TeXmacs when it came to producing LaTeX +format files. The export from the master document did +not work at all and the export from individual section +files included many incorrect LaTeX codes. So I wasn't +able to compile them at all. + +The HTML output from this version of TeXmacs however +is much improved. Only some relatively minor editing +would be required to make a fairly decent web compatible +HTML document. But this includes correcting all the +links in the document which were not converted at all +and a few special symbols that are not available. So +it is not entirely trivial and would involve some +compromises. + +I would have liked to use either LaTeX or HTML in order +to produce a combined document with navigation without +TeXmacs but not in this version, I guess. Anyway, I think +the main point of the tutorial is to specifically to use +in *live* with TeXmacs and Axiom. And this seems to +work pretty well, although I did run into the limitation +of some of the "missing" algebra files part way through +the tutorial. So I stopped converting the input to +"live" format and depended in the rest of the tutorial +on just the embedded LaTeX encoded examples (very +similar to live since they were apparently captured +in an online session). Of course readers are free to +break in to using Axiom at any point in the tutorial +just by clicking the Session/Axiom menu option (or the +session button). The results of what they do will +be inserted into the tutorial, although not saved +unless specifically saved by the user in another file. + +In fact, I hope the tutorial will gradually be multiplied, +improved, and adapted by people who find it useful. I +think we should maintain some kind of "master copy" on +the Axiom web site, but otherwise the generous copyright +provisions of NAG (which apparently legally must be +maintained) and the BSD licensing etc. would seem to +encourage it's proliferation. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: David MENTRE [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:49 PM +> To: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] Looking for beginning +> with axiom. +> +> +> Hello Michel, +> +> michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr writes: +> +> >> Good idea. A minor glitch: the produced PDF file is of poor +> >> visual quality on a computer screen. The embedded fonts are +> >> bitmap and thus cannot be anti-aliased on screen (as I have +> >> seen on Acrobat Reader on Windows platform). +> > +> > Yes, this is a defect of Acrobat Reader. It can be avoided +> > by viewing the pdf with Ghostscript+GSview/ghostview instead +> +> I'm not sure it is entire Acrobat's fault. I have been able +> to produce, under linux, latex documents that can be seen +> very well under Acrobat. +> +> But, as I said, it is just a minor point compared to the work +> that Bill has done. I just wondered how he has made the PDF. +> +> Yours, +> d. +> -- +> David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 07 21:44:33 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A73NQ-0003s7-MM + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:44:32 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A73NN-0003qU-NV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:44:29 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A73Mp-00035e-V9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:44:27 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A73Mp-00033E-G2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:43:55 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (11.27.252.64.snet.net [64.252.27.11]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h981hpIN080698; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:43:51 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h981hjP10367; + Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:43:45 -0400 +Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:43:45 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310080143.h981hjP10367@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +In-reply-to: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D32@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] Looking for beginning with + axiom. +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D32@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:44:30 -0000 + +Bill, + +At some future point we should discuss how much work it would be to +put the book into a texmacs version. I'm a bit buried this week and +likely next as well. I haven't had a chance to try your demo yet +although I did download the pdf. It appears that line-breaking needs +to be slightly smarter. The line breaker algorithm should probably +be put into Axiom with a ")set linebreak on " command so it works +with all tex output and not just under texmacs. + +I did like the pdf. Looks like good work. I'll try it as soon as I +get the chance. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 08 00:08:26 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A75cg-0005WH-3a + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:08:26 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A75cd-0005Vo-Dw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:08:23 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A75c7-0005Pc-6Q + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:08:22 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A75bZ-0005Fo-SR; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:07:17 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9847EwI093142; + Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:07:14 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9847DK1093066; + Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:07:13 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:07:41 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D33@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Tim Daly'" , dpt@math.harvard.edu, + "'fmaltey@nerim.fr'" +Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:07:36 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by fw.drenet.dnd.ca id + h9847DK1093066 +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by fw.drenet.dnd.ca id + h9847EwI093142 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom-math@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] POLY INT =\\= UP(x, + INT) (was: [Axiom-math] partialFraction behavi or in Axiom) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 04:08:24 -0000 + +Tim, Dylan and Fran=E7ois; + +This is an interesting discussion and I am glad that we +have *finally* reached the stage of discussions about +Axiom and not just scrambling to get something running +and "out the door"... Yah! + +First, there were several emails back and forth that +already covered some of this, but here's my view: + +I think a good definition of 'partfrac' for AXIOM is + + partFrac(ex,x) =3D=3D + partialFraction(numer ex, (denom ex)::UP(x, FRAC INT)) + +Yes, you do have to help AXIOM with some type conversion +information. + +But no, I don't think that there is a bug. We have + + POLY INT has EUCDOM ----------> false + UP(x, FRAC INT) has EUCDOM ----> true + +Apparently POLY INT does not have enough structure. +Specifying x and the FRAC INT domain adds the needed +structure. + +I think that this should be/could be so is quite +deeply routed in the design of Axiom and it's type +system. The distinction between + + x^2 - 1 + +as something of type: POLY INT versus what appears +as essentially the same thing + + x^2 - 1 + +as something of type: UP(x,FRAC INT) actually occurs +very frequently in Axiom (e.g 1::Float, 1.0::Integer). +Unfortunately it is something rather subtle and not +easily explained (rationalized?) to the novice user, +yet seems essential for new Axiom users to learn this as +soon as possible - that's one reason why I was really +quite impressed by the quality of the NAG Axiom for +Windows tutorial, because it is the first Axiom tutorial +I have seen that tries to address this. + +There is also the problem that Fran=E7ois brings up +involving the presumptions of those users who have +been previously exposed to one of the other popular +computer algebra systems (e.g. Maple, MuPad, Mathematica, +Maxima ... ) which do not share Axiom's strongly typed +metaphor. (I am one of these people. ) Such a users +looks for general operations on expressions like "expand", +"simplify", "combine" etc. and for the most part finds +them missing from Axiom! To convince some of these users +about the wisdom of Axiom's approach may require some +specially written tutorials and comparisons. And I think +our current discussion is a step toward this. + +But inspite of the apparently complexity of Axiom's +current type system (which I agree is largely due it's +poor state of documentation and more than a little ad +hocracy) I think Axiom is still immature with respect to +some of the common operations that beginning Axiom users +(but with previous experience) will expect to see. For +example involving the binomial(p,q) function discussed +by Fran=E7ois. There seems to be a whole in Axiom's type +system that does not allow it to deal conveniently with +this case nor with factorials in general. We need to +have clear documentation on the structure of the +algebra and it's type system so that it will be more +clear where this new functionality would be most +efficiently and effacatiously added. As Tim frequently +points out, Axiom is a "long term project"... + +-------- + +Let me mention a few simple things of this nature +that surprized me. I have to admit that I really don't +understand some of the Axiom ideas. It is hard to +separate what I don't understand from what I think +might be wrong. But none of these things are serious +problems in the long run. Yet they are examples of the +kind of thing that prevents people from becoming +comfortable with Axiom quickly. + +Consider that we can write examples of Axiom types as +follows (assumming no other previous information): + + )clear all + + 1 Type: PositiveInteger + x Type: Variable x + x+1 Type: Polynomial Integer + sin(x) Type: Expression Integer + +Clearly Axiom is trying to choose types that are somehow +"smallest" or most conservative. Surely UP(x,PI) is smaller +than POLY INT. No? How about (sin x)::EXPR PI. Why is +POLY PI an invalid type? + +And what about the type Axiom associates with something +like: + + sin(1) Type: Expression Integer + +This "expression" contains no variables! + +We have + + sqrt(-1) Type: AlgebraicNumber + +Isn't sin(1) also a Number of of some kind? But I +can not write: + + sin(1)::Float + +while + + sqrt(-1)::Complex Float + +is converted to (or at least represented) as i. +But why not + + sqrt(-1)::Complex Integer + +And while I'm complaining ... it seems very strange +that I cannot by default use the name Real like + + POLY Real + +although I can write + + POLY Integer + +Ok, I know I should write Float instead of Real, but +surely that must be rather irritating to the pure +mathematicians, no? + +Now suppose I assign a type to a variable: + + x:Integer + +Then I try to use it in: + + x+1 + +why does Axiom complain that "x is declared as an +Integer but has not been given a value"? What is +different from before? Why doesn't Axiom treat this +as something with + + x+1 Type: Expression Integer + +or even + + x+1 Type: Integer Expression Integer + +since it "knows" that x is of Type: Integer and 1 is +of Type: PositiveInteger ? + +This is exactly the kind of "type" information +that would be useful if we were to try to perform +correct manipulations of expressions like + + binomial(x,y) + +I would like to write + + (x,y,z):Matrix Float + (a,b):Float + +and then expect to be able to write + + a*z*x*y*b + +to yield + + a*b*z*x*y + +If I haven't said what x, y, and z stand for (i.e. +their types), then why does Axiom simply + + z*x*y + +to + + x*y*z + +? + +In all this seem to be a lot of hidden assumptions +and ad hoc behaviour at a fairly basic level. Yes, +I know that Axiom has been used sucessfully for some +fairly advanced mathematical research projects, but +at this fundamental level things seem rather complex +to the new user ... + +Systems like Maple and Mathematica have had a lot more +resources in recent years to smooth out some of these +rough edges. With Axiom's recent resurrection from the +ashes, it seems like we have a good opportunity to +address some of these issues. + +I am still rather uncertain whether the changes need +to be towards an algebra system that is simpler and +more rigorous but quite possibly less powerful (like +the Aldor project) or whether there should be more +emphasis on tools and techniques that allow one to deal +with the complexity more efficiently and to thereby +successfully build even larger and more complex algebraic +structures (even loops!) in an ongoing manner. I think +clearly that Tim has opted for the latter. Right Tim? + +----- + +Another subject. + +There are a few technical problems with the TeXmacs- +Axiom interface. Most of these can be easily cleaned +up, I think given a little available time. But I think +I disagree with you Dylan about the case of + +> factor 15 + +$$ +3 \ 5 +\leqno(11) +$$ + +It seems to me that the space inserted by Axiom is +correct, although in some cases (such as in the case +of single character symbols) it might be replaced with +a "thin" or "medium" space \, \; instead of a "full" +space \ . I think that it is not correct that it currently +disappears in Axiom. (Do you agree?) There is currently +some logic in Sutor's linebreak code (which I encorporated +in the tm_axiom interface) to replace \ with \cdot in +certain cases involving line-broken products. I think +that there is a lot of room to improve and expand on +these typographic issues in the next versions of +tm_axiom. + +At first I thought that it might be good if we could get +the TeXmacs folks (Joris) to agree to support the tm_axiom +interface. But now I am thinking more in terms of +recommending that we accept it as a new and more or less +integral part of Axiom and that we should maintain it +along with the other Axiom user interface code. I don't +know if there is really a licensing issue as such, but we +should note that TeXmacs is GPL (and therefore so is the + revised tm_axiom which was based on their version), not +BSD. (Forget I mentioned this ... ) + +Sorry for the long email. It's been a long day. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Tim Daly [mailto:daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:51 PM +> To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; axiom-math@nongnu.org +> Subject: [Axiom-math] partialFraction behavior in Axiom +> +> +> Yes, +> +> aa:UP(x,FRAC INT):=3D2*x^3 +> partialFraction(aa,1-x^2) +> +> also fails in the NAG version. I'm almost certain it is an +> issue of the interpreter walking itself into some corner of +> the type system and failing to find a good resolution. The +> usual answer is to give it more information as you did by +> declaring the types. I'll have to contemplate the "painful" +> output and see where it goes astray. +> +> However, this is related to the general issue of automatic +> coercions, types, and simplifications. Somebody needs to +> write a complete type graph independent of systems like Axiom +> (which would be a PhD thesis or two). Then we could code it +> up in a less adhoc form. We could answer questions like +> "under what conditions can you coerce from a fraction of +> polynomials over integers to polynomials over fractions +> of integers?" for knarly things like multivariate polynomials. +> What is not apparent on the surface is that some of these +> coercions go thru intermediate types before reaching the +> final output (basically a walk of the type lattice). The +> problem is very hard. +> +> Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 08 01:40:10 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A773S-00058v-0V + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:40:10 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A773P-00058c-AF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:40:07 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A772r-0004yQ-AT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:40:04 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A772q-0004yN-W8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:39:33 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (11.27.252.64.snet.net [64.252.27.11]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h985dRpS154654; + Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:39:27 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h985dJl10549; + Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:39:19 -0400 +Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:39:19 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310080539.h985dJl10549@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +In-reply-to: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D33@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D33@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, fmaltey@nerim.fr, axiom-math@nongnu.org, + daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Subject: [Axiom-developer] opus 1, act 1 +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:40:08 -0000 + +Well, that's a long email. I'll have to reply in smaller chunks as +it is after midnight and I've gotta get to work early tomorrow. + +>I think that this should be/could be so is quite +>deeply routed in the design of Axiom and it's type +>system. The distinction between +> +> x^2 - 1 +> +>as something of type: POLY INT versus what appears +>as essentially the same thing +> +> x^2 - 1 +> +>as something of type: UP(x,FRAC INT) actually occurs +>very frequently in Axiom (e.g 1::Float, 1.0::Integer). +>Unfortunately it is something rather subtle and not +>easily explained (rationalized?) to the novice user, + +Think of it in terms of Java code. You can have two classes +(POLYINT and UPxFRACINT) that have the same print representation +but different properties. + +I suppose that POLY(INT) is similar to UP(x,INT) since the coefficients +are integers. There is a way to coere INTs to FRAC(INT)s (the +denominator becomes 1). However notice that FRAC(INT) does not occur +at the top level of the "type tower". That is, to coerce +UP(x, INT) to UP(x,FRAC INT) you have to "reach into" the type tower +and convert something below the top level type of UP. This is a hard +problem in general and there is no good theory I'm aware of that says +how to do this in a theoretically correct way. + +>yet seems essential for new Axiom users to learn this as +>soon as possible - that's one reason why I was really +>quite impressed by the quality of the NAG Axiom for +>Windows tutorial, because it is the first Axiom tutorial +>I have seen that tries to address this. + +The book talks about it. It is not easy to understand if you are +not both a programmer and a mathematician. Programmers "get it" in the +sense of Java types. Mathematicians "get it" in the sense of +categories. Neither is fully correct. + +I've been making the point as part of our 30 year planning horizon +that we really need a new department that is a cross between the +math and comp. sci. departments. Call it computational mathematics. +There are a boatload of issues that only a computational mathematician +cares about (program proof, correctness, complexity, type coercions, +type lattices, algorithmic mathematics, lambda reductions, etc). +We need to give the correct background to the next generation and +we need research in these issues done by PhD students. + +>There is also the problem that François brings up +>involving the presumptions of those users who have +>been previously exposed to one of the other popular +>computer algebra systems (e.g. Maple, MuPad, Mathematica, +>Maxima ... ) which do not share Axiom's strongly typed +>metaphor. (I am one of these people. ) Such a users +>looks for general operations on expressions like "expand", +>"simplify", "combine" etc. and for the most part finds +>them missing from Axiom! To convince some of these users +>about the wisdom of Axiom's approach may require some +>specially written tutorials and comparisons. And I think +>our current discussion is a step toward this. + +I think it was Knuth that said "Teaching BASIC to beginning +programmers causes brain damage and the student will never +recover". The 4Ms have created the illusion that you can +freely compute results without worrying about the issues that +Axiom struggles with. I believe that this illusion makes it +very difficult to build ever-larger systems. If you can't +appeal to some theory then the complexity alone will overwhelm +your efforts. Think of the benefits of a strongly typed language +like Java vs a typeless language like BASIC. You can build +programs in BASIC but you eventually hit the wall when the +complexity gets high. Java lets you get further. By analogy +I'm arguing that the 4Ms make simple things simple but complex +things ever harder and that Axiom reverses that. I claim that +Axiom scales and the more theory we develop the better it scales. + +Of course all of this theory does not help the beginner use Axiom. +At my institute (CAISS at City College of New York) we are planning +to build a series of simple menu-driven front ends for Axiom in a +large variety of courses. The front end hides the complexity because +it only works in a single type (e.g. Expression or POLY(INT)) that +is sufficient for the beginner. Because the operations are all in +one type the issue of type conversion is diminished. + +>But inspite of the apparently complexity of Axiom's +>current type system (which I agree is largely due it's +>poor state of documentation and more than a little adhocracy + +Yes, the interpreter uses some adhoc methods to try to guess +what type you might want. It selects functions based on the +type of its arguments as well as the type of the result so it +has to work very hard if you don't give it enough information. +The problem is that YOU have underspecified the input. The +interpreter has to guess and sometimes it does it badly. + +There is no general theory that underpins all of Axiom's type lattice. +We need to create one. The mathematics is pretty sound but there are +a lot of "computational" issues with the mathematics that need work. + +>(but with previous experience) will expect to see. For +>example involving the binomial(p,q) function discussed +>by François. There seems to be a whole in Axiom's type +>system that does not allow it to deal conveniently with +>this case nor with factorials in general. We need to +>have clear documentation on the structure of the +>algebra and it's type system so that it will be more +>clear where this new functionality would be most +>efficiently and effacatiously added. As Tim frequently +>points out, Axiom is a "long term project"... + +It is possible to build a series of cover functions that always +work in one type. That will eliminate most of the problems you +are seeing. Expression(Polynomial(Fraction(Integer))) is a type +tower that is probably general enough to do what you want. Of +course the cover functions will have to coerce things back and +forth internally to use the existing functions (such as you did +with partfrac). + +>Clearly Axiom is trying to choose types that are somehow +>"smallest" or most conservative. Surely UP(x,PI) is smaller +>than POLY INT. No? How about (sin x)::EXPR PI. Why is +>POLY PI an invalid type? + +POLY takes an argument which is a RING. +You can ask Axiom about these properties thus: + +-> )show POLY + + Polynomial R: Ring + +which means that Polynomial requires an argument which is of type Ring. +So we can ask Axiom about INT and PI: + +-> INT has RING + + true + +-> PI has RING + + false + +So when you try to construct POLY(PI) Axiom checks the category of +PI to see if is a Ring. It isn't (it lacks inverses). So Axiom will +not let you construct an incorrect type. The same mechanism keeps +you from constructing Polynomials of files, or matricies of streams. +Files don't have the properties necessary to be a Ring and Polynomials +assume their coefficients are Rings. When you operate on Polynomials +the operations for the coefficients (e.g. subtracting) are done by +looking up the operation "in the coefficient domain". If you do: + +)show PI + +you'll see that PositiveInteger does not support subtraction so +it does not make sense to build Polynomials over PositiveIntegers. +In general if you can construct the type tower the operations will +be correct. This is the big advantage of Axiom over the 4Ms. + +Sleep calls. More later. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 08 13:20:47 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7HzS-0006fl-SN + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:20:46 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7HzQ-0006cL-6D + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:20:44 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7Hry-0005qU-Ow + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:13:33 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A7HaE-0008Oz-7V; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:54:42 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7HQh-0004DI-1d; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:44:51 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h98GikKR084175; + Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:44:46 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h98GijK1084096; + Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:44:45 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:45:13 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D35@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:45:12 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom-math@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: opus 1, act 1 +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:20:44 -0000 + +Tim, + +On Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:39 AM you wrote: + +> ... +> > The distinction between +> > +> > x^2 - 1 +> > +> >as something of type: POLY INT versus what appears +> >as essentially the same thing +> > +> > x^2 - 1 +> > +> >as something of type: UP(x,FRAC INT) actually occurs +> >very frequently in Axiom (e.g. 1::Float, 1.0::Integer). +> >Unfortunately it is something rather subtle and not +> >easily explained (rationalized?) to the novice user, +> +> Think of it in terms of Java code. You can have two +> classes (POLYINT and UPxFRACINT) that have the same +> print representation but different properties. + +Yes and no. I do not think fondly of the Java programming +language. Pardon my opinions, but it seems to me that +Java is largely a failed experiment in portable interpreter/ +compiler design that was too much hyped by the corporate +establishment (first SUN and then later others). For the +most part the promises of code reusability and portability +have yet to be attained. + +Now that Maple version 9 has been commercially released, +I think I can safely mention that I have been involved in +about 6 months of beta testing of a new graphical user +interface for Maple written entirely in Java "for portability". +The experience was frustrating and the results largely +unsatisfactory (in my opinion). But it has been shipped to +customers along with the older "classical" interface which +was written in C. At least they still have that option for +now. + +I like Java in small quantities, e.g. embedded as simple +scripts inside web pages. But for hacking, give me Perl +and for a better approach give me Python (more Lisp-like). +Dropping Java was one of the good things that Microsoft +actually did. Sorry. It's just an "issue" for me. + +> +> I suppose that POLY(INT) is similar to UP(x,INT) since +> the coefficients are integers. There is a way to coerce +> INTs to FRAC(INT)s (the denominator becomes 1). However +> notice that FRAC(INT) does not occur at the top level of +> the "type tower". That is, to coerce UP(x, INT) to +> UP(x,FRAC INT) you have to "reach into" the type tower +> and convert something below the top level type of UP. +> This is a hard problem in general and there is no good +> theory I'm aware of that says how to do this in a +> theoretically correct way. + +But there is something else here - specifying the variable(s) +in the polynomial. Without doing that we can not distinguish +between + + a x + a^2 + +and + + x a + x^2 + +So POLY INT and UP(x,INT) are clearly different. It is +tempting to think of this a purely a "syntactic" type +difference but I think it becomes a matter of semantics +in AXIOM. + +> ... +> I think it was Knuth that said "Teaching BASIC to +> beginning programmers causes brain damage and the +> student will never recover". + +Indeed! "Re-learning" is often more difficult that "learning". + +> The 4Ms have created the illusion that you can freely +> compute results without worrying about the issues that +> Axiom struggles with. + +I think will have to admit that so far it is a pretty +convincing "illusion"! I continue to be amazed at what +is possible with "modern" computer algebra systems - +and also what remains unreasonably difficult... + +> I believe that this illusion makes it very difficult to +> build ever-larger systems. If you can't appeal to some +> theory then the complexity alone will overwhelm your +> efforts. Think of the benefits of a strongly typed language +> like Java vs a typeless language like BASIC. You can build +> programs in BASIC but you eventually hit the wall when the +> complexity gets high. Java lets you get further. + +Oh, oh. The Java example again ... + +> By analogy I'm arguing that the 4Ms make simple things +> simple but complex things ever harder and that Axiom +> reverses that. I claim that Axiom scales and the more +> theory we develop the better it scales. +> + +I don't know. Some simple things are still unreasonably +hard in Maple and other similar systems. And getting +started in Axiom is really rather simple, no? I am +optimistic that a more complete, logical and well +documented type system for AXIOM could go a long way +towards making at least the same set of simple things +simple in Axiom as well. + +> Of course all of this theory does not help the beginner +> use Axiom. At my institute (CAISS at City College of New +> York) we are planning to build a series of simple +> menu-driven front ends for Axiom in a large variety of +> courses. + +I am very sceptical of this. Both Mathematica and Maple +(for example see Maplets) have tried this. It does seem +to be of interest in the "teaching circles" but my +interest in it for applications in theoretical physics +is zero. + +> The front end hides the complexity because it only +> works in a single type (e.g. Expression or POLY(INT)) that +> is sufficient for the beginner. Because the operations are +> all in one type the issue of type conversion is diminished. + +Isn't that like "cutting off AXIOM's nose to suit it's +face" ?? + +> +> It is possible to build a series of cover functions that +> always work in one type. That will eliminate most of the +> problems you are seeing. Expression +> Polynomial(Fraction(Integer)) +> is a type tower that is probably general enough to do what +> you want. Of course the cover functions will have to coerce +> things back and forth internally to use the existing +> functions (such as you did with partfrac). + +Maybe. Perhaps I will try to write a few more like this +and see if it really does provide a more "4M" type of +user layer. + +> +> >Clearly Axiom is trying to choose types that are somehow +> >"smallest" or most conservative. Surely UP(x,PI) is +> >smaller than POLY INT. No? How about (sin x)::EXPR PI. +> >Why is POLY PI an invalid type? +> +> POLY takes an argument which is a RING. + +Yes, of course you are right. But there is still the +issue of specifying the polynomial variables. It seems to +me that AXIOM could choose UP(x ...), MPOLY([x,y, ... ), +or DMP([x,y, ... ) instead of POLY. This might help some +automatic coercions. + +> ... +> So when you try to construct POLY(PI) Axiom checks the +> category of PI to see if is a Ring. It isn't (it lacks +> inverses). So Axiom will not let you construct an incorrect +> type. The same mechanism keeps you from constructing +> Polynomials of files, or matricies of streams. Files +> don't have the properties necessary to be a Ring and +> Polynomials assume their coefficients are Rings. When +> you operate on Polynomials the operations for the +> coefficients (e.g. subtracting) are done by looking up +> the operation "in the coefficient domain". + +Yes. The discussion of Files and Polynomials in the +same breath is probably quite a mental stretch for +most beginning AXIOM users (I am now used to this ...) +And the example seems a bit contrived, but I get your +point. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 08 15:07:19 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7JeY-0004Zr-Vz + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:07:18 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7JeW-0004YQ-Lq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:07:16 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7Je0-0004QN-4S + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:07:15 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7Jdy-0004Pc-T9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:06:43 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h98J6XpW042066; + Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:06:33 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h98J6VK1041946; + Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:06:31 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:06:59 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D37@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:06:59 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] AXIOM book and TeXmacs (was: Looking for + beginning with axiom.) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:07:17 -0000 + +Tim, + +TeXmacs does a pretty good job of importing TeX/LaTeX +into TeXmacs format (but not so good in the other +direction in the current version), so I think it should +be quite easy to put the AXIOM book into this format. +The tutorial files provided by Mike at NAG where in +LaTeX form with a few special tags. TeXmacs handled +the conversion very well. If you want me to give it +a try, just send me a few sample files. + +Putting the LaTeX line breaker algorithm into Axiom +sounds fine. In fact it seems curious the Sutor chose +to do it in classic C code rather than in Axiom itself. +Although I have to admit that I find the way Axiom +generates LaTeX rather obscure! And for now improving +and maintaining the tm_axiom.c program seems much +easier. + +I am also interested in David's idea of trying to +encorporate the HyperDoc browser function into the +TeXmacs - Axiom interface. + +And of course then there is the graphics. TeXmacs can +accept and insert graphics generated by external programs +in postscript format. Can Axiom's graphics program +produce postscript output? + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:44 PM +> To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca; bill.page1@sympatico.ca +> Cc: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] Looking for beginning +> with axiom. +> +> +> Bill, +> +> At some future point we should discuss how much work it would be to +> put the book into a texmacs version. I'm a bit buried this week and +> likely next as well. I haven't had a chance to try your demo yet +> although I did download the pdf. It appears that line-breaking needs +> to be slightly smarter. The line breaker algorithm should probably +> be put into Axiom with a ")set linebreak on " command so it works +> with all tex output and not just under texmacs. +> +> I did like the pdf. Looks like good work. I'll try it as soon as I +> get the chance. +> +> Tim +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 08 15:22:22 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7Jsy-0007Sf-1W + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:22:12 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7JsT-0005rd-Vd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:21:41 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7JrO-0004Ix-Or + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:21:05 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7Jr2-0003iX-Jb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:20:12 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 23535188D8; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:20:11 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:20:11 -0400 +From: Dylan Thurston +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Message-ID: <20031008192011.GC11188@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt" +Content-Disposition: inline +X-Original-To: dpt +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Compilation problems +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:22:10 -0000 + + +--c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +(I tried sending this before, but it didn't seem to go through.) + +I've been trying to compile the CVS version of axiom (because the +Debian package does not have COMBF.o), on my Debian installation. +Problems I've encountered so far (runing AXIOM=3Dlinux make): + +(a) The makefiles seem to expect the directory +(top)/mnt/linux/src/algebra to exist already. + +(b) creating the NRLIB files from the spad files fails, because +interpsys fails to run. After some experimentation, it seems that +with the following environemnt variables set: + +O=3Do AXIOMXLROOT=3Dlinux/compiler SPAD=3D/a/usr/local/src/axiom/mnt/linux = +OBJ=3D/a/usr/local/src/axiom/obj SPD=3D/a/usr/local/src/axiom MNT=3D/a/usr/= +local/src/axiom/mnt DAASE=3D/a/usr/local/src/axiom/src/share INC=3D/a/usr/l= +ocal/src/axiom/src/include LISP=3Dlsp BYE=3Dbye SPADBIN=3D/a/usr/local/src/= +axiom/mnt/linux/bin AXIOM=3Dlinux + +(where /usr/local/src/axiom is the top of the tree), interpsys finds +the daase files but fails to find the autloads: the makefile runs this +command: + +(cd /a/usr/local/src/axiom/int/algebra ; echo ')co AHYP.spad' | /a/usr/loca= +l/src/axiom/obj/linux/bin/interpsys ) + +which fails to find the autloads: interpsys ends with + +(1) -> Loading linux/autoload/apply. + + >> System error: + Cannot open the file /a/usr/local/src/axiom/int/algebra/./linux/algebra/= +linux/autoload/apply. + +If I unset the AXIOM environment variable, interpsys gets farther. + +Can someone who understands the Makefile better than me help me here? + +Peace, + Dylan + + +--c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/hGNqVeybfhaa3tcRAn74AKCGWQE5lGzdy4icQcoEPbZQ1vtXGwCgmoGZ +14t41OIMDUZB5kjn9wCee7E= +=LOdp +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 09:56:56 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7bHk-0006Wo-7B + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:56:56 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7bHg-0006S0-EG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:56:52 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7bH4-0005Cl-CP + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:56:45 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7bH1-00056g-PP + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:56:11 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h99Dtev07521; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:55:40 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h99DHrA14571; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:17:53 -0400 +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:17:53 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310091317.h99DHrA14571@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] graphics +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:56:55 -0000 + +Bill, + +The graphics program generates .ps files. +I'm nearing the point where I can extract the graphics code. +I'm going to give responsibility for that whole subsystem to Dylan. + +I'll send you a portion of the book latex shortly (by boat :-) ). +We should talk about the way to handle a book-sized object in texmacs. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 10:00:37 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7bLI-0008Cc-I0 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:00:36 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7bLA-0008Aq-W7 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:00:28 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7bKY-000833-8a + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:00:22 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7bKX-000830-Ps + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:59:49 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h99DxJv07529; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:59:19 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h99DLWD14592; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:21:32 -0400 +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:21:32 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310091321.h99DLWD14592@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] lattice drawing program +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:00:34 -0000 + +Bill, + +Re: lattices. I vaguely remember a program that allowed you to navigate +a lattice by magnifying portions under the mouse cursor. It was as if +the whole lattice was wrapped around a ball and you portion of the ball +closest to you was easier to read than the rest. I can't remember where +I saw it. Windows XP has a much cheesier version in their taskbar. + +re: a willing grad student +guffaw. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 10:03:42 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7bOI-0000Ay-0k + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:03:42 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7bOG-0000Af-5s + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:03:40 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7bNi-0008UJ-4N + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:03:37 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7bNh-0008UG-R0 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:03:05 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h99E2Zv07541; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:02:35 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h99DOmC14605; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:24:48 -0400 +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:24:48 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310091324.h99DOmC14605@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] build bug +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:03:41 -0000 + +Dylan, + +Try making the pathname absolute. And it needs to include the mnt directory +thus: + +AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 11:00:20 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7cH1-0002PT-RD + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:00:15 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7cGw-0002Kd-Sj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:00:10 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7cFg-0001cr-Me + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:59:23 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7cFM-0001WB-0u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:58:32 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h99Ew0v07692; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:58:00 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h99EKDX18821; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:20:13 -0400 +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:20:13 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310091420.h99EKDX18821@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, dpt@math.harvard.edu +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] categorical design, aldor, and the type system +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:00:13 -0000 + +Dylan, Bill, + +re: Aldor rewrite. + +Many people, including myself, have tried to reconstruct and/or +rewrite the Axiom type system in Aldor. This is unlikely for at least +4 reasons. + +First, the type system is reasonable but adhoc since it doesn't have a +one to one correspondence with theory. (e.g. what is a RNG?) + +Second, there are types that are mathematical but their implementation +depends on various data structures for efficient implementation so +there isn't even a guiding theory. + +Third, an Aldor implementation would be a library not an +interpreter/compiler combination so the user would have to perform +type coercion and simplification, which is very hard to get right. + +Fourth, and to the last point, there are hundreds of man-years of +research in Axiom. A clean-room rewrite would need the many great +talents that have already contributed to Axiom (although there are new +talented people) and would never get funded (because computer algebra +"has been done"). And since Axiom work isn't usually recognized by +university departments (unlike, say, bourbaki contributions) it is +unlikely that such a massive, coordinated effort can exist. (A point +which I'm ignoring as I hope to attract free research for the love of +it :-) ). + +Aldor is a great language and it is a very seductive idea to do Axiom +over and try to "get it right" but that implies covering a LOT of old +ground before you develop new work. Plus we don't even know or agree +about what is "right". I think there is a lot of new mathematics that +needs to be researched and a lot of mathematics (like symbolic +summation) that Axiom needs which exists but is not implemented in +Axiom. + +re: type system + +We need to examine what exists in depth and decide what the best +algorithms are for type conversion. I figure we can do this by +understanding the existing type lattice, codifying the adhoc +algorithms current in use, and developing a "coercion theory" +that shows what the algorithms should do. That way we aren't +just "patching" the problem. We're developing a theory that needs +to exist. To this end I've started collecting the raw data of +the existing type signatures so we can do the first step. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 11:04:49 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7cLI-0004sn-TD + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:04:40 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7cLE-0004m1-9a + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:04:36 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7cKV-0004FF-2H + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:04:22 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7cK4-00042R-Kn + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:03:24 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h99F2ov07709; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:02:50 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h99EP3l18841; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:25:03 -0400 +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:25:03 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310091425.h99EP3l18841@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, dpt@math.harvard.edu +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] categorical design +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:04:38 -0000 + +Bill, + +It is perfectly possible to develop an independent type hierarchy +that lives along side of the existing hierarchy. Indeed the could +interact where convenient (e.g. using data structures in common +so already-implemented algorithms can be used). + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 11:10:50 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7cRG-0008AQ-Ar + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:10:50 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7cRE-0008A4-TC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:10:48 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7cQg-000816-Rh + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:10:46 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7cQf-00080x-GG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:10:13 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h99F9gv07720; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:09:42 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h99EVtJ18877; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:31:55 -0400 +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:31:55 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, dpt@math.harvard.edu +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] coerce, cast, partial fractions +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:10:49 -0000 + +Bill, + +re: coerce vs casting + +I wouldn't equate coercions with type casting. First, type casting in +languages like C "reinterpret" the bits. Coercions reinterpret the +type and potentially rewrite the representation. Second, type casting +traditionally references the "top level type" whereas Axiom can reach +into the type tower and move an "internal" type (e.g. UP(x,INT) to +UP(x,FRAC INT)). + +re: partial fractions + +If I understand the partialFraction answer (perhaps I don't) the +result given is a partial fraction as far as Axiom is concerned. +Partial fractions work on the factored equation and it appears +that Axiom doesn't think it can factor the equation over the +target domain so the partial fraction uses the "fully factored" +value. The issue appears to be that the target domain chosen by +the interpreter is one in which there are no factors. Or perhaps +it is just a street-level bug :-) + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 13:39:51 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7elT-0000To-K8 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:39:51 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7elR-0000TV-0B + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:39:49 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7eku-0000MM-PC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:39:47 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7eku-0000MI-Hp + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:39:16 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 2AED4188D8; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:39:16 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:39:16 -0400 +To: Tim Daly , axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Message-ID: <20031009173916.GA15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: coerce, cast, partial fractions +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:39:49 -0000 + + +--7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline + +On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:31:55AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> If I understand the partialFraction answer (perhaps I don't) the +> result given is a partial fraction as far as Axiom is concerned. +> Partial fractions work on the factored equation and it appears +> that Axiom doesn't think it can factor the equation over the +> target domain so the partial fraction uses the "fully factored" +> value. The issue appears to be that the target domain chosen by +> the interpreter is one in which there are no factors. Or perhaps +> it is just a street-level bug :-) + +But how could x^2-1 not be factorizable in any reasonable domain? + +I can see that AXIOM might pick a domain where it doesn't know how to +factor, but I would be very surprised to see one coming from an +expression like this! + +Peace, + Dylan + +--7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/hZ1DVeybfhaa3tcRArX+AJ92umpQK9R0sjic2aWSBP0Y6nmvMgCeL5xC +3qPZYUdLS/MamrKhGTIhhnY= +=nwIV +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 13:40:56 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7emW-0000jC-Ci + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:40:56 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7emT-0000hj-Mb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:40:53 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7elv-0000Zm-9h + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:40:48 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7elv-0000Zh-16 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:40:19 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id AD12B188D8; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:40:18 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:40:18 -0400 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Message-ID: <20031009174018.GB15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <200310091420.h99EKDX18821@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <200310091420.h99EKDX18821@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Subject: [Axiom-developer] + Re: categorical design, aldor, and the type system +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:40:54 -0000 + +On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:20:13AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> re: type system +> +> We need to examine what exists in depth and decide what the best +> algorithms are for type conversion. I figure we can do this by +> understanding the existing type lattice, codifying the adhoc +> algorithms current in use, and developing a "coercion theory" +> that shows what the algorithms should do. That way we aren't +> just "patching" the problem. We're developing a theory that needs +> to exist. To this end I've started collecting the raw data of +> the existing type signatures so we can do the first step. + +Hmm? Surely the algorithm used for doing automatic type coercions is +independent of the existing heirarchy? + +Peace, + Dylan + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 13:59:00 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7f3w-0008Hq-KM + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:58:56 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7f3r-0008FF-1O + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:58:51 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7f3D-00083X-AE + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:58:42 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7f3C-00082m-8b + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:58:10 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h99Hvfv08043; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:57:41 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h99HJrL31558; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:19:53 -0400 +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:19:53 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310091719.h99HJrL31558@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +In-reply-to: <20031009173916.GA15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + (dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu) +References: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031009173916.GA15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: coerce, cast, partial fractions +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:58:55 -0000 + +I'm not claiming that the math is right, just trying to figure out +why it didn't factor the expression. It certainly is a bug. + +T + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 21:55:08 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7mUm-0005e5-4n + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:55:08 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7mUk-0005dH-BN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:55:06 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7mUE-0005Qm-G6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:55:05 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.3] (helo=tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7mUE-0005Qi-6a + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:54:34 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP + id <20031010015431.IHSX29901.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:54:31 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: "'Tim Daly'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] categorical design, aldor, and the type system +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:54:31 -0400 +Message-ID: <001d01c38ed1$75666620$6601a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +In-Reply-To: <200310091420.h99EKDX18821@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:55:06 -0000 + +Tim, + +On Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:20 AM you wrote: +> +> re: Aldor rewrite. +> +> Many people, including myself, have tried to reconstruct +> and/or rewrite the Axiom type system in Aldor. This is +> unlikely for at least 4 reasons. +> + +I agree that this is probably not a reasonable prospect. On +the other hand, I have contemplated the opposite possibility, +that is to re-import back into Axiom the new Aldor type +library. This might be a much smaller project since the new +Aldor type library was re-designed recently (last year?) +and is still quite primative and limited compared to Axiom +as a whole. + +Last time I mentioned this you gave a muffled answer which +I took to mean either of two things: 1) you weren't interested +or thought it not worthwhile, or 2) there has been some +discussions with people working on the Aldor project about +this possibility and so far there is "not good agreement". + +Since I think that the relationship between Axiom and Aldor +is an interesting subject, I would be glad to hear more +about this situtation when you feel you can or when you +have time to discuss it. + +> First, ... +> +> Second, ... +> +> Third, an Aldor implementation would be a library not an +> interpreter/compiler combination so the user would have to +> perform type coercion and simplification, which is very hard +> to get right. + +I am not sure I understand your point. As you have pointed +out, Axiom also compiles it's library (It was from this that +the notion of Aldor as a separte compiler originally arose, +right?). And Axiom also usually (when it can) compiles the +functions provided by the user at "run- time". I understand +that it some cases Axiom is not able to compile user provided +code and then resorts to "interpreter" mode. I take this to +mean that it attempts to delay resolution of types until the +function is actually applied. This sort of interpreter mode +is still unique to Axiom, I think. + +> +> Fourth, ... +> +> Aldor is a great language and it is a very seductive idea to +> do Axiom over and try to "get it right" but that implies +> covering a LOT of old ground before you develop new work. +> Plus we don't even know or agree about what is "right". +> ... + +"Uncle". You've convinced me! But seriously I never +was actually quite thinking along these lines. I have become +convinced that it is probably possible to work from "within" +Axiom to extend and change it more gradually along certain +lines with a true or at least more "categorial implementation" +only as a longer term goal. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 22:35:10 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7n7W-0006Ax-BM + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:35:10 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7n7U-00067S-IM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:35:08 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7n6y-0005eL-6M + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:35:07 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.3] (helo=tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7n6x-0005dr-PM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:34:35 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP + id <20031010023430.JWEB29901.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:34:30 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: "'Tim Daly'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] categorical design +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:34:30 -0400 +Message-ID: <001e01c38ed7$0ba918d0$6601a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +In-Reply-To: <200310091425.h99EP3l18841@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, + 'Bertfried Fauser' +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:35:09 -0000 + +Tim, + +On Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:25 AM you wrote: +> +> It is perfectly possible to develop an independent type +> hierarchy that lives along side of the existing hierarchy. +> Indeed the could interact where convenient (e.g. using data +> structures in common so already-implemented algorithms can be +> used). +> + +Yes, this is (more or less) what I was contemplating, +although it may be that for a "categorial" imlementation +in the long run very little of the algebra that now exists in +Axiom would be of much use because the changes must occur +at a very top level in the type lattice - at the level of +SetCategory. + +Note: I used the word "categorial" (not a typing error). +This was a convention used by a few category theorists some +years ago when there was the possibility of being confused +over other uses of the word "category" and especially to +avoid the use of the word "categorical" which sounds +unnecessarily pejorative and non-technical. + +More specifically, I am thinking that it may be possible to +build on Axiom by intially going even higher up to define +a new categorial level at the top and then building up to +SetCategory on which almost all the rest of Axiom currently +hangs. (This might include Aggregate and some other top level +Axiom categories as well.) So initially only SetCategory and +Aggregate become defined in terms of this new deeper level. +But gradually one could redefine some of the lower types to +depend on types higher up in the new categorial level. And +this way gradually shift SetCategory and it's properly related +types lower down in the hierachy. + +This might sound fairly simple, but the problem of course +is that really the category SET is a rather complex object +categorially speaking. + +But even more speculatively speaking, I have come to realize +that what we more or less naturally assume to be a type hierachy +(lattice) is not really a lattice at all in the case of Axiom - +it contains loops! Your current method of "breaking" these +loops is quite simple since in most respects the existing +loops in Axiom are quite simple (This is a claim that I can +not yet actually substantiate.) But if we can assume a more +general approach to "solving" such specification loops (e.g. +by the iterative "fixed point" approach I mentioned many +emails ago). Then *maybe* it makes sense to actually begin +now by redefining SetCategory (and a few other top level +Axiom categories) in terms of some of the lower level ones. + +This latter strategy would of course introduce some serious +and potentially non-trivial loops in the "hierachy". And +the trouble is that I am really not sure I understand well +enough what it means to deal in general terms with type +specifications given in this manner. Now that seems like a +serious mathematical/computer science research subject to +me! + +I would like to hear more from you (and other longer term +Axiom builders/hackers) about the loops in Axiom's type +system. Are these "errors" which need to be eliminated? +Or are they a new more powerful method of defining types? + +Is it true that recent formal developments in mathematics +support the idea that such loops are really a necessary +and fundamental part of mathematics? What do you think +Bertfried? I think it was you who suggested this first here. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 22:55:12 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7nQu-0007x5-0w + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:55:12 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7nQq-0007we-T5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:55:08 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7nQJ-0007is-TK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:55:07 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.101] (helo=tomts27-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7nQJ-0007ih-14 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:54:35 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts27-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031010025430.JPZZ24640.tomts27-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:54:30 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: "'Bill Page'" , + "'Tim Daly'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] categorical design +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:54:30 -0400 +Message-ID: <002201c38ed9$d71c9d50$6601a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +In-Reply-To: <001e01c38ed7$0ba918d0$6601a8c0@Asus> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, + 'Bertfried Fauser' +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:55:09 -0000 + +BTW, if I haven't already mentioned it here (or even if +I have ... ) I would like to recommend a good and +easily available book on category theory and type systems. +See the book + + Categories Types and Structures + by Asperti and Longo + MIT Press, 1991 + +Now available for download at: + + http://www.di.ens.fr/users/longo/download.html + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 09 23:48:30 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7oGT-00053B-5I + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:48:29 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7oGE-0004ar-4L + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:48:14 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7oFa-0003km-Mo + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:48:05 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7oFa-0003kc-ET + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:47:34 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (112.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.112]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9A3lWpS218494; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:47:32 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9A3lR115499; + Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:47:27 -0400 +Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:47:27 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310100347.h9A3lR115499@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +In-reply-to: <001e01c38ed7$0ba918d0$6601a8c0@Asus> (bill.page1@sympatico.ca) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] categorical design +References: <001e01c38ed7$0ba918d0$6601a8c0@Asus> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, fauser@spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de, + daly@idsi.net, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:48:27 -0000 + +Bill, + +re: categorical redesign. + +My view of this is to think of Axiom's mathematics as a general +graph rather than as a lattice with loops. Think of drawing the +whole of the algebra on the surface of a sphere. Picking one of +several defined starting points (sets, categories) in the algebra +would be like rotating the ball until the chosen point is at the +north pole. Everything else is defined in terms of that pole. +Choosing a new point would be like rotating the sphere to +adjust it to the new "north pole" and everything in the graph +now flows from that point. A loop in the algebra goes all the +way around the sphere and you can choose any point in the loop +as fundamental. The choices I made to "break the loop" were +arbitrary. + +I'm not sure if the graph-mapped-onto-a-surface resonates with +you but that's how I think about it. (The surface need not be a +sphere, of course). + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 10 09:29:01 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7xKG-0003Ui-BS + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:29:00 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7xKB-0003Sm-2s + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:28:55 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7xJd-0003Ic-Oo + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:28:52 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A7xEp-0001yO-5N + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:23:23 -0400 +Received: from [134.34.143.6] (helo=spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7x6W-0005ms-Po + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:14:49 -0400 +Received: from clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (clifford [134.34.143.32]) + by spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14789; + Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:40:18 +0100 (MET) +Received: from clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with + ESMTP id h9AE4JS7029123; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:04:20 +0200 +Received: from localhost (fauser@localhost) + by clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id + h9AE4Ctm029120; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:04:18 +0200 +Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:04:12 +0200 (CEST) +From: Bertfried Fauser +To: root +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] categorical design +In-Reply-To: <200310100347.h9A3lR115499@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Bill Page , + daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:28:57 -0000 + +Dear Bill, + + I judge myself not an expert in category theory (though I heavily +use it) and I am certainly not aware of the complexity of AXIOMs type +system (yet). But perhaps the following may help: + +a) There is not "category theory" per se. Many people do quite different +(and sometimes contradicting) things with categories. Hence with "category +theory" there has to come meta information to make sure its used the +_polictical correct_ way. I had some problems with other mathematicians +whene I used categories not that way ;-) +-- Set Based category theory, ie the older version. This is still based on + the idea (Bourbaki by the way) that all of mathematics should be based + on set theory (in my eyes a contradictinmg paradigm to quantum mechanics). + Nevertheless, this treatment came up with homological algebra and went + into categories which are *not* af type set at all.... +-- Function based category theory (still a new branch of mathematics, + started by William Lawvere and others, using *constructivistic* ideas + of Brouwer [hence a generic computational approch, one should think]). + The idea is to define functions as elementary objects and then compute + from scratch what kind of (sometimes awkward!) objects may be + manipulated by these functions (domains and codomains may be categories + itself). It does not make a choice of a _basic category_ but leaves + this open. + Regarding AXIOM, a valuable choice would be a topos. Topi (Lawvere + calls them toposes, which is linguistical barbaric ;-) Constitute a + sort of category which is very close to Set, but slightly larges, just + axiomatizing the basic structures of Set. Its a general experience, + that if you axiomatize mathematical structures in a categorial way + then you get more general structures due to isomorphism invariance of + these _objects_. + +b) From matroid theory (which encodes very basic facts about linear and +general dependance of objects) one learns that there is something like a +cryptomorphism spoiling the idea that mathematics is a well ordrere (or +even partially ordered) lattice. Indeed you find complicate isomorphisms +from one axiom system into another which maps basic structures to very +complicated ones and vice versa (Tim's 'shere', by the way a very +complicated topological problem to detect on which (hyper)surface a graph +may live). + Hence I guess that there will be no generic or cannonical choice +for an starting point in the type lattice, but it should be a matter of +taste and adjusted to the problems you want to attack. + +c) Isomorphisms problem. + It is a general *problem* (dealt with under the name of +_categorification_ to 'categorify' a mathematical structure, say the +natural numbers. Since this is a generalization it is neither canonical +nor unique and needs meta input (experience or even information from +physics ie experiments) if the math shall be related to soemthing +reasonable. A current problem is to categorify the theory of categories (a +typical mathematical thinking ) which leads to n-category theory, +which I am try to employ in quantum physics. This is unsolved mathematical +reasearch, .... + +d) Isomorphisms implementation problem. + From my own experiments with CAS (eg Maple) there is anothe +rproblem for actual computations. Having defined a mathematical category, +you have set up an abstract structure of relations between functions. +However, if you want to implement this, you need _elements_ on which such +functions can act. That is you need a modell for your category, such +modells may be *tremendously* different and it might be a practical +impossible task to construct an isomorphsims (type conversion) between +such elements *even if you can mathematically prove they are of the same +kin*! + Moreover, you find *non representable* categories, which cannot be +represented over the category Set, which are quite awkward object. I do +not yet see how to impelemt such categories is a CAS. + A further example is that patological objects migcome into play. +Zbigniew Oziewicz and I do search for years now a categorial description +of Clifford algebras. But reasonable axioms *include* some further +algebras with quite obscure behaviour which you would not like to address +by this name. If you introduce base (ie elements represnting the algebra) +this diaspears, but I do not yet know why..... Such problems will arise if +a strickt mathematical type system would be implemented. + +Hence the AXIOM types may still have a need to be based on some +representations, which is a second layer of non abstractnes (after the +choice of a starting 'north pole' in the type graph. I see currently no +way around this (but I am not an expert in type-ing ;-) ) + +hope this is informative for you, otherwise I apologize +cheers +BF. + +% | | PD Dr Bertfried Fauser Fachbereich Physik Fach M 678 | +% \ / Universit"at Konstanz 78457 Konstanz Germany | +% (mul) Phone : +49 7531 883786 FAX : +49 7531 88-4864 or 4266 (comul) +% | E-mail: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de / \ +% | URL : http://clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~fauser | | + +>> A prophet does not count in his country -- a patriot nowhere else << + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 10 09:52:54 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7xhN-0000tR-Be + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:52:53 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7xhJ-0000sS-TE + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:52:49 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7xgi-0000hU-Kd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:52:43 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7xgg-0000ge-Th + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:52:11 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A7xgV-0000Ib-00; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:59 -0400 +To: Tim Daly +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 10 Oct 2003 09:51:59 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <54smm1urnk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 29 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] CVS build broken? -- errortrap +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:52:51 -0000 + +Greetings! Just went to build a fresh cvs snapshot Debian package +yesterday (to include some of the tutorial documentation developed -- +this stuff is great!), and the build appears to be broken due to +missing files: + +313 making /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/int/input/eqtbl.input from /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/src/input/eqtbl.input.pamphlet +312 making /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/input/eqtbl.input from /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/int/input/eqtbl.input +315 making /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/int/input/equation.input from /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/src/input/equation.input.pamphlet +314 making /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/input/equation.input from /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/int/input/equation.input +make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/src/input/errortrap.input.pamphlet', needed by `/fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/int/input/errortrap.input'. Stop. +make[4]: Leaving directory `/fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/src/input' +make[3]: *** [inputdir] Error 2 +make[3]: Leaving directory `/fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/src' +make[2]: *** [srcdir] Error 2 +make[2]: Leaving directory `/fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs' +make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 +make[1]: Leaving directory `/fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs' +make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 +debuild: fatal error at line 469: +dpkg-buildpackage failed! + +Any advice? + +Take care, + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 10 10:10:37 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7xsx-0003pA-Rg + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:04:51 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7xsh-0003nk-LU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:04:35 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A7xs8-0003dR-OK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:04:32 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7xs6-0003ax-1N + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:03:58 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9AE3Ov09996; + Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:03:24 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9ADPWI18215; + Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:25:32 -0400 +Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:25:32 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310101325.h9ADPWI18215@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: <54smm1urnk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (message from Camm Maguire + on 10 Oct 2003 09:51:59 -0400) +References: <54smm1urnk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: CVS build broken? -- errortrap +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:04:37 -0000 + +I'll look at it. I just did a massive update for NAG and it built +locally before I uploaded it. It looks like a missing stanza in +the Makefile. Sorry about that. -- t + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 10 16:03:47 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A83UJ-0008GA-3t + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:03:47 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A83UH-0008FQ-GZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:03:45 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A83Tk-00083V-Nb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:03:43 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A83Tk-00083Q-HJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:03:12 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (253.117.252.64.snet.net [64.252.117.253]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9AK34IN184870; + Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:03:04 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9AK2su16346; + Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:02:54 -0400 +Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:02:54 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310102002.h9AK2su16346@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: <54smm1urnk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (message from Camm Maguire + on 10 Oct 2003 09:51:59 -0400) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] CVS build broken? -- errortrap +References: <54smm1urnk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:03:46 -0000 + +Camm, + +I fixed it, I believe. I added files to the upload and I forgot to +cvs add these last two files. Do you happen to know if cvs can +tell if whether there are files in the tree that have not been +added to the cvs? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 10 16:15:03 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A83fC-0001rL-8S + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:15:02 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A83fA-0001qX-9c + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:15:00 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A83ed-0001lX-8Z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:14:59 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A83ec-0001lO-Uj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:14:27 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A83eV-0001z7-00; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:14:19 -0400 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] CVS build broken? -- errortrap +References: <54smm1urnk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310102002.h9AK2su16346@localhost.localdomain> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 10 Oct 2003 16:14:19 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310102002.h9AK2su16346@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: <5465iw97fo.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 30 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:15:00 -0000 + +Greetings, and thanks! + +Yes, when you do a cvs 'diff' (I usually use 'cvs -z9 -q diff -u'), +you see the modifications explicitly. If you do a 'cvs update', no +files that you've modified from the repository will be overwritten, +but they will be listed with a 'M' flag for 'modified'. Any files +present not in the repository appear with a '?' flag, and any files in +the repository which you've deleted result in a warning message. the +last two categories appear identically in a cvs diff too. + +Take care, + +root writes: + +> Camm, +> +> I fixed it, I believe. I added files to the upload and I forgot to +> cvs add these last two files. Do you happen to know if cvs can +> tell if whether there are files in the tree that have not been +> added to the cvs? +> +> Tim +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 10 19:24:55 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A86cv-0002g7-0W + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:24:53 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A86cq-0002fD-Lb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:24:48 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A86cJ-0002Ky-9U + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:24:47 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A86cH-0002Gn-Ea + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:24:14 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A86br-0006Nk-00; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:23:47 -0400 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] CVS build broken? -- errortrap +References: <54smm1urnk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310102002.h9AK2su16346@localhost.localdomain> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 10 Oct 2003 19:23:47 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310102002.h9AK2su16346@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: <547k3czngc.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 25 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:24:50 -0000 + +Hi Tim! The build works again, thanks! + +This is just to confirm that the missing COMBF and source file export +issues we discussed earlier are still extant, right? + +Take care, + +root writes: + +> Camm, +> +> I fixed it, I believe. I added files to the upload and I forgot to +> cvs add these last two files. Do you happen to know if cvs can +> tell if whether there are files in the tree that have not been +> added to the cvs? +> +> Tim +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 10 19:47:57 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A86zF-0003JH-Aq + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:47:57 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A86zC-0003IK-KN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:47:54 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A86yf-00038M-1R + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:47:52 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A86yd-00038A-H3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:47:19 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 17DFE188D8; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:47:19 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:47:19 -0400 +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] CVS build broken? -- errortrap +Message-ID: <20031010234719.GB20130@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <54smm1urnk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310102002.h9AK2su16346@localhost.localdomain> + <547k3czngc.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <547k3czngc.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:47:55 -0000 + + +--v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 07:23:47PM -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: +> Hi Tim! The build works again, thanks! +> +> This is just to confirm that the missing COMBF and source file export +> issues we discussed earlier are still extant, right? + +I've successfully applied some of the patches Juergen Weiss posted +earlier to fix this. (Well, I'm still compiling with the latest CVS +files.) Shall I repost the patches? Some of them were in a slightly +odd format. + +Peace, + Dylan + +--v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6 +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/h0UGVeybfhaa3tcRAhDVAJ0Q2zZVrx93hYm6JC41fRpcCt7qzACfdEoS +bRLFQrwMQrCq2mALTMg5KMc= +=auHL +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 11 03:35:24 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8EHb-0001IQ-Po + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:35:23 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8EHX-0001Dd-Od + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:35:19 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8EH1-0000wH-RM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:35:18 -0400 +Received: from [206.46.170.140] (helo=out001.verizon.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A8EH1-0000wB-Gx + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:34:47 -0400 +Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.215.183]) by out001.verizon.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP + id <20031011073445.SJVV5382.out001.verizon.net@cunyvm.cuny.edu>; + Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:34:45 -0500 +Message-ID: <3F87B296.A543BA8E@cunyvm.cuny.edu> +Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:34:46 -0400 +From: William Sit +Organization: City College of New York +X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) +X-Accept-Language: en,zh +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: coerce, cast, partial fractions +References: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031009173916.GA15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from + [162.83.215.183] at Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:34:45 -0500 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Tim Daly +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:35:20 -0000 + +Dylan Thurston wrote: +> +> On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:31:55AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> > If I understand the partialFraction answer (perhaps I don't) the +> > result given is a partial fraction as far as Axiom is concerned. +> > Partial fractions work on the factored equation and it appears +> > that Axiom doesn't think it can factor the equation over the +> > target domain so the partial fraction uses the "fully factored" +> > value. The issue appears to be that the target domain chosen by +> > the interpreter is one in which there are no factors. Or perhaps +> > it is just a street-level bug :-) +> +> But how could x^2-1 not be factorizable in any reasonable domain? +> +> I can see that AXIOM might pick a domain where it doesn't know how to +> factor, but I would be very surprised to see one coming from an +> expression like this! +> +Surely, x^2 -1 can be factored in POLY INT and Axiom behaves correctly. So the +problem is not with factoring. + +Remember that algorithms in Axiom are categorical. From the documentation in +partialFraction: + +"For a general euclidean domain, it is not known how to factor the denominator. +Thus the function partialFraction takes as its second argument an element of +Factored(R)." + +It also states that the requirement for R to be a euclidean domain is to +normalize the denominator. + +The fact that SOME domains (or denominators) can be factored is irrelevant to +Axiom. + +An example is: +a = DMP([x,y], FRAC INT) does not have EuclideanDomain +b = DMP([x], FRAC INT) does not have EuclideanDomain +c = UP(x, FRAC INT) has EuclideanDomain + +even though mathematically, b and c are the same. But categorically, the DMP +constructor does not have EuclideanDomain. Of course, nothing prevents us from +saying something like: + DMP(varlist, ring) ... + if size?(varlist,1) then EuclideanDomain +or if size?(varlist,1) then UnivariatePolynomialCategory + +but this is not done. + +Expression Integer has EuclideanDomain returns true. Why? +It seems to inherit this from FunctionSpace(Integer), but I searched the sources +fspace.spad and expr.spad and neither reference EuclideanDomain directly. (This +shows how difficult it is to construct the graph of hierarchy based on source +files). + +The problem with partialFraction not working over R = POLY INT is because POLY +INT does not belong to the category EuclideanDomain (it is multivariate). + +However, there is definitely something wrong with the interpreter. In the NAG +2.3 version, I actually have: + +G82322 (3) -> )clear all + All user variables and function definitions have been cleared. +G82322 (1) -> up:= UP(x,FRAC INT) + + (1) UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) + Type: Domain +G82322 (2) -> a:up:=1-x^2 + + 2 + (2) - x + 1 + Type: UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) +G82322 (3) -> b:up:=2*x^3 + + 3 + (3) 2x + Type: UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) +G82322 (4) -> partialFraction(b,factor(a)) + + 1 1 + (4) - 2x - ----- - ----- + x - 1 x + 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) +G82322 (5) -> partialFraction(b,a) + + 1 1 + (5) - 2x - ----- - ----- + x - 1 x + 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) +G82322 (6) -> partialFraction(2*x^3::up, 1-x^2::up) + + 3 + 2x + (6) - ------ + 2 + x - 1 + Type: PartialFraction Expression Integer +G82322 (7) -> partialFraction(b,a) + + 1 1 + (7) - 2x - ----- - ----- + x - 1 x + 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) + + +I did (7) just to make sure that (5) does not come because of (4) (and (7) does +not come because of (6)). + +But why do (5) and (6) behave differently? Aren't these two syntactically the +same? In each case the second parameter need to be coerced to Factored(R) but +the two R's are different in (5) and (6). The behavior in the NAG 2.3 version +is also different from the one reported by Tim Daly : + +Tim:(8) -> partialFraction((2*x^3)::UP(x, FRAC INT), (1-x^2)) + + 2x + (8) - 2x - ------ + 2 + x - 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) +Tim:(9) -> partialFraction((2*x^3), (1-x^2)::UP(x, FRAC INT)) + + 1 1 + (9) - 2x - ----- - ----- + x - 1 x + 1 + Type: PartialFraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) + +I have: +partialFraction(2*x^3::UP(x, FRAC INT), 1-x^2) + + + 3 + 2x + (6) - ------ + 2 + x - 1 + Type: PartialFraction Expression Integer + +but I also got Tim's (9) the same. + + +William + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 11 03:45:27 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8ERL-0005BM-7u + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:45:27 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8ERI-00059z-4c + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:45:24 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8EQb-00057k-BE + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:45:12 -0400 +Received: from [206.46.170.133] (helo=out010.verizon.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A8EQb-00057h-2W + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:44:41 -0400 +Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.215.183]) by out010.verizon.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP + id <20031011074440.VYXH12520.out010.verizon.net@cunyvm.cuny.edu>; + Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:44:40 -0500 +Message-ID: <3F87B4E8.50071C2B@cunyvm.cuny.edu> +Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:44:40 -0400 +From: William Sit +Organization: City College of New York +X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) +X-Accept-Language: en,zh +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]Re: categorical design, aldor, + and the type system +References: <200310091420.h99EKDX18821@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031009174018.GB15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from + [162.83.215.183] at Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:44:39 -0500 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:45:25 -0000 + +Dylan Thurston wrote: +> +> On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:20:13AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> > re: type system +> > +> > We need to examine what exists in depth and decide what the best +> > algorithms are for type conversion. I figure we can do this by +> > understanding the existing type lattice, codifying the adhoc +> > algorithms current in use, and developing a "coercion theory" +> > that shows what the algorithms should do. That way we aren't +> > just "patching" the problem. We're developing a theory that needs +> > to exist. To this end I've started collecting the raw data of +> > the existing type signatures so we can do the first step. +> +> Hmm? Surely the algorithm used for doing automatic type coercions is +> independent of the existing heirarchy? + +The hyperdoc system can list all the domains, categories and packages that +contain signatures of a particular exported function. Is there any coordination +between hyperdoc and the interpreter? It seems that the hyperdoc maintains some +database of domains, etc and is this different from the one used by the +interpreter? + +William +-- +William Sit +Department of Mathematics..............Email: wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu +City College of New York..........................Tel: 212-650-5179 +Convent Ave at West 138th Street..................Fax: 212-862-0004 +New York, NY 10031.....Asian Symposium on Computer Mathematics 2003 +USA..........................http://www.mmrc.iss.ac.cn/~ascm/ascm03 + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 11 11:33:15 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8Lk2-0006Cc-RV + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:33:14 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8Ljz-0006A8-TQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:33:11 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8LjS-0005vS-TL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:33:10 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A8LjS-0005v5-K2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:32:38 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 097CC188D8; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:32:37 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:32:37 -0400 +To: William Sit +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: coerce, cast, partial fractions +Message-ID: <20031011153237.GA22250@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031009173916.GA15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <3F87B296.A543BA8E@cunyvm.cuny.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <3F87B296.A543BA8E@cunyvm.cuny.edu> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Tim Daly +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:33:12 -0000 + + +--VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 03:34:46AM -0400, William Sit wrote: +> Dylan Thurston wrote: +> > +> > On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:31:55AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> > > If I understand the partialFraction answer (perhaps I don't) the +> > > result given is a partial fraction as far as Axiom is concerned. +> > > Partial fractions work on the factored equation and it appears +> > > that Axiom doesn't think it can factor the equation over the +> > > target domain so the partial fraction uses the "fully factored" +> > > value. The issue appears to be that the target domain chosen by +> > > the interpreter is one in which there are no factors. Or perhaps +> > > it is just a street-level bug :-) +> > +> > But how could x^2-1 not be factorizable in any reasonable domain? +> > +> > I can see that AXIOM might pick a domain where it doesn't know how to +> > factor, but I would be very surprised to see one coming from an +> > expression like this! +> > +> Surely, x^2 -1 can be factored in POLY INT and Axiom behaves correctly. S= +o the +> problem is not with factoring. +> +> Remember that algorithms in Axiom are categorical. From the documentation= + in +> partialFraction: +> +> "For a general euclidean domain, it is not known how to factor the denomi= +nator. +> Thus the function partialFraction takes as its second argument an element= + of +> Factored(R)." +> +> It also states that the requirement for R to be a euclidean domain is to +> normalize the denominator. + +Sure, that's why the second argument is supposed to be factored _before_ +partialFraction is called. It's not being factored; this is not a bug +in partialFraction, but a bug someplace else. + +Specifically, from the output with ')lisp (setq |$monitorNewWorld| t)', +the problem probably lies in whatever is going on in this stanza: +---------- +---->Factored UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer)----> searching op ta= +ble for: + coerce : UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) -> % from Factored Un= +ivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) +<----#(Factored,UnivariatePolynomial(x= +,Fraction Integer)) +---------- +This looks like it should be calling the standard 'coerce' from +UP(x, FRAC INT) to FR UP(x, FRAC INT), which should do the factorization +(according to all the documentation I read), but doesn't! (Or maybe the +coercion function from the 'Factored' domain doesn't actually do the +factorization itself?) + +Compare this to what happens when we try to do this coercion explicitly: +---------- +(4) -> aa:UP(x, FRAC INT) :=3D x^2-1 + + (4) x - 1 + Type: UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +r) + +(5) -> aa::FR UP(x, FRAC INT) +---->RationalFactorize UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer)----> search= +ing op table for: + factor : UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer) -> Factored Univariate= +Polynomial(x,Fraction Integer) from RationalFactorize UnivariatePolynomial= +(x,Fraction Integer) +<----#(RationalFactorize,Univaria= +tePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer)) + +---->Factored UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Integer)----> searching op ta= +ble for: + coerce : % -> OutputForm from Factored UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction = +Integer) +<----#(Factored,UnivariatePolynomial(= +x,Fraction Integer)) + (5) (x - 1)(x + 1) + Type: Factored UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= +r) +---------- +Somehow, a different routine ('RationalFactorize') is being called. + +Peace, + Dylan + +--VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/iCKVVeybfhaa3tcRAvzlAJwL5c35A7xyq2NTvOUfKGvD1yumWgCfXXrY +z44LM3LRxz9d/TCaM8Qf7VI= +=w4/L +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 11 16:00:25 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8Pub-0006Yy-Mk + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:00:25 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8PuZ-0006Yl-D4 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:00:23 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A8Pu2-0006US-9F + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:00:22 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A8Pu2-0006UM-0c + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:59:50 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (19.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.19]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9BJxiYP080628; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:59:45 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9BJxb317727; + Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:59:37 -0400 +Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:59:37 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310111959.h9BJxb317727@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: <547k3czngc.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (message from Camm Maguire + on 10 Oct 2003 19:23:47 -0400) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] CVS build broken? -- errortrap +References: <54smm1urnk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310102002.h9AK2su16346@localhost.localdomain> + <547k3czngc.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:00:24 -0000 + +Camm, + +I'm working on the COMBF issue now. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 13 14:07:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A976Q-0002Y1-QS + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:07:30 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A976N-0002Su-MD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:07:27 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A975r-0002Ab-L1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:07:26 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A975r-0002AV-Cl + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:06:55 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id C9E3E188D8; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:06:54 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:06:54 -0400 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Message-ID: <20031013180654.GA31291@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" +Content-Disposition: inline +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Small TeX output patch +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:07:28 -0000 + + +--n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +While going through the TeXmacs tutorial, I've noticed several display +bugs. I already reported one to the BTS (#5906), but here's another +small fix, which fixes the display of infinity. + +Test case input: +)set output tex on +plusInfinity() + +Desired output: +$$ +\infty +\legno(1) +$$ + + +---------- snip here ------------ +Index: tex.spad.pamphlet +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +RCS file: /cvsroot/axiom/axiom/src/algebra/tex.spad.pamphlet,v +retrieving revision 1.2 +diff -u -r1.2 tex.spad.pamphlet +--- tex.spad.pamphlet 9 Oct 2003 10:45:03 -0000 1.2 ++++ tex.spad.pamphlet 13 Oct 2003 17:44:55 -0000 +@@ -140,11 +140,11 @@ + specialStrings : L S :=3D + ["cos", "cot", "csc", "log", "sec", "sin", "tan", + "cosh", "coth", "csch", "sech", "sinh", "tanh", +- "acos","asin","atan","erf","...","$"] ++ "acos","asin","atan","erf","...","$", "infinity"] + specialStringsInTeX : L S :=3D + ["\cos","\cot","\csc","\log","\sec","\sin","\tan", + "\cosh","\coth","\csch","\sech","\sinh","\tanh", +- "\arccos","\arcsin","\arctan","\erf","\ldots","\$"] ++ "\arccos","\arcsin","\arctan","\erf","\ldots","\$","\infty"] + + -- local function signatures + +---------- snip here ------------ + +However, I'm a little concerned about this (and the general approach): +after all, if you type "infinity" at the prompt, it gets interpreted as +a variable named "infinity", not as an element of OrderedCompletion. +The same goes for "sin", of course: + +-------------- + (4) sin +$$ +\sin +\leqno(4) +$$ + + Type: Variable s= +in +-------------- + +The output really should be similar to what I would get if I typed +"sine" (which is currently buggy, but that's another issue), but because +the code patched above looks only at the text of the string to be output +(which is the only thing available to it), and not the type that was +producing the output, there are sure to be display glitches. + +For the moment, I think the patch above should be applied, but a +long-term project would be to rethink how TeX output is produced to +deal with situations like this in a more principled way. + +Also, another project would be to remove the "latex" command, which +seems to be an abortive attempt at another method of producing LaTeX +output. It's not used much, and should be incorporated into one of the +other mechanisms, and even things as simple as "latex (x+y)" produce +"Unimplemented". + +(I'm not sure what the etiquette is. Should I just go ahead and file +the bugs myself, and will anybody notice if I do? Is there a way for me +to subscribe to the BTS? I count three bugs here: +1) Patch for output of "infinity"; +2) Revamp output mechanisms so that "sin" as a variable is treated + differently from "sin" the trigonometric function; and +3) Remove the "latex" function from Category SetCategory.) + +Peace, + Dylan + + +--n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/ium+Veybfhaa3tcRAisKAJ9oPPOKYke7AhE4gwJ99UpA28t2KACeP96M +5lZgCUsd46S84vs4FHQcgOA= +=OBsr +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 13 14:18:02 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A97Gc-0006oI-98 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:18:02 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A97GZ-0006nT-Pq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:17:59 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A97G3-0006i2-Py + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:17:58 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A97G3-0006hs-7g + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:17:27 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (104.176.252.64.snet.net [64.252.176.104]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9DIHPYP173900; + Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:17:25 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9DIHGQ26714; + Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:17:16 -0400 +Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:17:16 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310131817.h9DIHGQ26714@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +In-reply-to: <20031013180654.GA31291@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + (dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Small TeX output patch +References: <20031013180654.GA31291@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:18:00 -0000 + +> For the moment, I think the patch above should be applied, but a +> long-term project would be to rethink how TeX output is produced to +> deal with situations like this in a more principled way. + +I'll apply the patch you sent. + +> Also, another project would be to remove the "latex" command, which +> seems to be an abortive attempt at another method of producing LaTeX +> output. It's not used much, and should be incorporated into one of the +> other mechanisms, and even things as simple as "latex (x+y)" produce +> "Unimplemented". + +Perhaps we should write up how tex and latex work so we understand +the machinery better first. I have looked at it, Bill has looked at +it, and you have looked at it. Some boot code knows about tex as +well as some of the algebra code. Even some of the lisp code gets +involved (the ELT bug in strings). I agree we need to rethink this +but rather than add another version perhaps we should do deep +surgery and redesgn it. + +> (I'm not sure what the etiquette is. Should I just go ahead and file +> the bugs myself, and will anybody notice if I do? Is there a way for me +> to subscribe to the BTS? I count three bugs here: + +David Mentre is the "bug czar". We can do it any way he wants. +David? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 13 14:42:16 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A97e2-0004Ws-Vy + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:42:14 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A97du-0004VV-LQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:42:06 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A97dN-0004L4-0H + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:42:04 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=mwinf0402.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A97dM-0004Kq-ML + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:41:32 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-3-108.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr + [217.128.73.108]) by mwinf0402.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id E01D5800372; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:41:31 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A97dK-00013D-00; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:41:30 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net, Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Small TeX output patch +References: <20031013180654.GA31291@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <200310131817.h9DIHGQ26714@localhost.localdomain> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:41:29 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310131817.h9DIHGQ26714@localhost.localdomain> (daly@idsi.net's + message of "Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:17:16 -0400") +Message-ID: <87y8vpaskm.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:42:08 -0000 + +root writes: + +>> (I'm not sure what the etiquette is. Should I just go ahead and file +>> the bugs myself, and will anybody notice if I do? Is there a way for me +>> to subscribe to the BTS? I count three bugs here: +> +> David Mentre is the "bug czar". We can do it any way he wants. +> David? + +:) + +Dylan, yes, you should fill the bug yourself. Both Tim and I receive an +email when a new bug is filled, so yes your bug is noticed[1]. If you +have a savannah account, I _think_ you can add yourself to the CC: of +the bug (so being informed of new information on your bug). + +Even if you don't think this is a real bug but a needed redesign or a +missing functionnality, you can add it as a "feature request", with a +low bug Severity (I usually use 1 to 3). + +If you fill a bug or a feature request, please give example of the given +command and both the failing and expected output. It helps a lot to +understand the bug. Your example with "fi"'s ligature in your latest bug +report is a good example of that. + + +Yours, +d. + +[1] And once me or another Axiom hacker will start doing Q&A, the BTS + will be the definitive reference point. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 13 19:33:38 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9CC2-0004lE-2B + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:33:38 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9CBx-0004hk-VU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:33:33 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9CBP-0004A6-Hb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:33:30 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A9C94-0002Mw-RZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:30:34 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9Bvk-0001dR-Bg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:16:48 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 513FE188D2; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:16:46 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:16:46 -0400 +To: David MENTRE , + axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Small TeX output patch +Message-ID: <20031013231646.GB1340@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <20031013180654.GA31291@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <200310131817.h9DIHGQ26714@localhost.localdomain> + <87y8vpaskm.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <87y8vpaskm.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:33:36 -0000 + + +--kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 08:41:29PM +0200, David MENTRE wrote: +> root writes: +> +> >> (I'm not sure what the etiquette is. Should I just go ahead and file +> >> the bugs myself, and will anybody notice if I do? Is there a way for = +me +> >> to subscribe to the BTS? I count three bugs here: +> > +> > David Mentre is the "bug czar". We can do it any way he wants. +> > David? +> +> Dylan, yes, you should fill the bug yourself. + +OK, I filed the second two, longer-term bugs; it seems as though the +"infinity" problem is already done. + +> ... Both Tim and I receive an email when a new bug is filled, so yes +> your bug is noticed[1]. If you have a savannah account, I _think_ you +> can add yourself to the CC: of the bug (so being informed of new +> information on your bug). + +I didn't see how to do this. But also, I would like to get +notifications of new bugs (and maybe also CVS updates) myself; is this +possible? + +> Even if you don't think this is a real bug but a needed redesign or a +> missing functionnality, you can add it as a "feature request", with a +> low bug Severity (I usually use 1 to 3). + +I don't think I have the permissions to set the bug Severity, or I would +have done so... + +> If you fill a bug or a feature request, please give example of the given +> command and both the failing and expected output. It helps a lot to +> understand the bug. Your example with "fi"'s ligature in your latest bug +> report is a good example of that. + +I saw a place to put test code showing the problem, but no place for +failing and expected output. Where should I put that? In the +description of the bug itself? + +Also, is it possible to submit bugs by e-mail, the way I can with +Debian? + +Peace, + Dylan + +--kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/izJeVeybfhaa3tcRAvpQAKCOi8NpPmo7rgv0ngv8TvY9QhO+eACfV9kf +msUYXd8zUge2nb4EyVIBQow= +=ABNT +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 12:40:36 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9SDs-0008Cn-DF + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:40:36 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9SDn-0008Ba-Oi + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:40:31 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9SDH-00085Q-9F + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:40:30 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0801.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9SDG-00085J-Oz + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:39:58 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-3-144.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr + [217.128.73.144]) by mwinf0801.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id E7C971800161; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:39:57 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A9SDE-0000Og-00; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:39:56 +0200 +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +Subject: About Savannah bug reports (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Small TeX + output patch) +References: <20031013180654.GA31291@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <200310131817.h9DIHGQ26714@localhost.localdomain> + <87y8vpaskm.fsf@wanadoo.fr> + <20031013231646.GB1340@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:39:56 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <20031013231646.GB1340@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> (Dylan + Thurston's message of "Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:16:46 -0400") +Message-ID: <87u16bpycj.fsf_-_@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:40:33 -0000 + +Hello Dylan, + +dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) writes: + +> I didn't see how to do this. But also, I would like to get +> notifications of new bugs (and maybe also CVS updates) myself; is this +> possible? + +Yes. It is _possible_ (but not quickly done). We just need to create a +new mailing list (axiom-dev-announce for example), and subscribe to it +the BTS. For CVS updates, it is possible to install the CVSreport +program, available on Savannah. I already have done it for another +Savannah project. + +Should I do this for Axiom? + +> I don't think I have the permissions to set the bug Severity, or I would +> have done so... + +Oh yes. Maybe. I usually log onto savannah with project administrator +rights, so I might see some fields that other users don't. I have check: +I cannot make it available for non project member. + +In other word, if you create a Savannah account and I add you as a +project member, you'll have access to those fields. + +But otherwise, I set the severity when looking at bugs. You can also add +a comment in the bug report itself. + +> I saw a place to put test code showing the problem, but no place for +> failing and expected output. Where should I put that? In the +> description of the bug itself? + +Yes, in the "Original Submission:" part. + +I would place the failing output into "Error message:" part. + +All those rules are just guides and should be adapted to any specific +case. + + +> Also, is it possible to submit bugs by e-mail, the way I can with +> Debian? + +I don't think so. You should submit a bug report on the savannah project +on Savannah. ;) + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 12:48:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9SLj-0002eO-7d + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:48:43 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9SLh-0002dy-CL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:48:41 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9SLB-0002aW-DW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:48:40 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=mwinf0401.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9SLB-0002aT-3a + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:48:09 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-3-144.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr + [217.128.73.144]) by mwinf0401.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 5D6D458005E2; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:48:08 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A9SL8-0000Ow-00; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:48:06 +0200 +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +References: <20031013180654.GA31291@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <200310131817.h9DIHGQ26714@localhost.localdomain> + <87y8vpaskm.fsf@wanadoo.fr> + <20031013231646.GB1340@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <87u16bpycj.fsf_-_@wanadoo.fr> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:48:06 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <87u16bpycj.fsf_-_@wanadoo.fr> (David MENTRE's message of "Tue, + 14 Oct 2003 18:39:56 +0200") +Message-ID: <87ptgzpxyx.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: About Savannah bug reports +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:48:42 -0000 + +David MENTRE writes: + +> In other word, if you create a Savannah account and I add you as a +> project member, you'll have access to those fields. + +ok, I've just seen that you have solve this issue. ;) + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 13:23:15 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9St8-0004qR-Vh + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:23:14 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9St6-0004pS-AT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:23:12 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9SsV-0004j4-W8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:23:08 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0802.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9SsV-0004il-Ff + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:22:35 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-3-144.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr + [217.128.73.144]) + by mwinf0802.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9BBC718008B5 + for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:22:34 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A9SsT-0000Pv-00 + for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:22:33 +0200 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:22:33 +0200 +Message-ID: <87llrnpwdi.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Subject: [Axiom-developer] On literate programming (or the use of noweb) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:23:13 -0000 + +Hello, + +I have recently used literate programming and more specifically +noweb. I'd like to share my experience, from a software engineering +point of view. If you find this boring, just skip this email. + +I have used noweb on: + + - a network processing program in C + + - a client/server in Objective Caml (with some XDR (C-like syntax)) + + - a formal model in Promela (for Spin verifier) + + +I use deliberately a very restricted form of chunk inclusion. Basically: + + Explanation on f1... (1) +<>= +(defun f1 ...) +@ + + Explanation on f2... +<>= +(defun f2 ...) +@ + + Explanation on the complicated algo using f1 and f2... +<>= +(f1 () (f2 ...)) +@ + +It is just concatenation of various code chunks in a file. + +In fact, I find the other use of noweb chunks: + +<>= (2) +(defun f...) +@ + +<>= +(map ... <> ...) +@ + +...*very* dangerous. It is just a simple text expansion as would do a C +#define. You lose, for example, all the good properties of Lisp macro +definition with macro parameters renaming. + + +I also try to stick as much as possible to the programming language that +I am using. For example, OCaml uses text scope for parameters +definition, so I avoid using noweb chunks to define functions in +different order. Each file in the original language as its counterpart +as noweb file. + +One issue I have done on the literate C program was that all the modules +of the C program were in the same noweb source file. After some times, +it was a total mess. + +Of course, each rule has its exceptions. For example, Promela hasn't any +capabilities to define functions, so I have used noweb chunks to define +some kind of macro. + + +To conclude, I would advise the following rules for the use of noweb +into the Axiom project: + + 1. avoid as much as possible the definition of code chunk which are + _included_ in other chunks. Prefer concatenation of code chunks. In + short, prefer form (1) over (2); + + 2. restrict yourself to the capabilities of your language. For example, + define and use Lisp macros and not noweb chunks as lisp macros. + + +What is your opinion? + + +I hope it brings something to the general issue of software design and +coding. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 15:00:16 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9UP2-0001QF-Ao + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:00:16 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9UP0-0001PN-1m + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:00:14 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9UOT-0001FJ-Oz + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:00:12 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9UOS-00018e-Re + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:59:40 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9EIwhv21764; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:58:43 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9EIKSG09173; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:20:28 -0400 +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:20:28 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310141820.h9EIKSG09173@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] chunking +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:00:14 -0000 + +In fact chunks (except in makefiles) chunks are only used to +"lift" pieces of text from the main <<*>> chunk for explanation. +I'm unaware of any place where I use chunks within chunks. + +The primary use of chunking is to reorder the program source into +a document-style of explanation. If I'm working on the system and +get a deeper understanding of a function, heavily modify a function, +or generally have something special to say I will lift the function +into a chunk, make it a section or subsection, and include documentation. + +Within the top level makefile (only, as far as I know) the +chunk-within-chunk pattern is used to customize the Makefile.${SYS} +chunks. Since this involves repeated code that has to be included +in many different outputs it is useful to define the chunk in one +place and use it in multiple places. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 18:17:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9XMJ-0001Mg-AJ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:09:39 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9XDl-0008Ky-Js + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:00:49 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9XD9-0007ia-ME + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:00:42 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A9X7W-0008Bb-7L + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:54:22 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9Wut-000325-Ce + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:41:19 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 62F75188D2; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:41:16 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:41:16 -0400 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Message-ID: <20031014214116.GA10204@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z" +Content-Disposition: inline +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Left shifts of negative numbers +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:09:37 -0000 + + +--7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline + +I have investigated Bug #4733 (rounding of negative numbers). The +problem is unexpected behaviour of 'shift' with negative arguments: +'shift(-7,-1)' is -4, while the code in the 'truncate' function in +float.spad.pamphlet clearly expects the answer to be -3 in this case. +The definition of what 'shift' should do in IntegerNumberSystem is +ambiguous about what should happen with negative arguments, but in +integer.spad.pamphlet 'shift' is actually implemented with a call to the +lisp function 'ash'; according to the standard I found on the web (see +http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_ash.htm#ash), 'ash' +should have the opposite behaviour: '(ash -7 -1)' should be -4 (as GCL +implements). + +Presumably the correct fix involves changing 'shift' so that it rounds +towards 0 when both arguments are negative (and documenting how it +actually behaves), rather than changing the code in float.spad to deal +with the current behaviour? What will other axiom code expect? Most of +the instances in the algebra tree seem to apply 'shift' only when the +first argument is positive. + +Peace, + Dylan + +--7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/jG18Veybfhaa3tcRAnOIAJ4y08+6An/qGCOb6SlAOjmy55ikeACcD6dp +AnAlZsnO0ZKU3YCPmA10aSU= +=m72l +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 19:32:32 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9YdM-0008QC-EU + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:31:20 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9YXt-00067a-2w + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:25:41 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9YNn-00017b-VY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:15:47 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9YF8-0004LP-NK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:06:19 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9EN5rcK077861; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:05:53 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EN5oar077794; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:05:51 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:06:16 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D42@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'dpt@math.harvard.edu'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Left shifts of negative numbers +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:06:07 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:31:19 -0000 + +Dylan, + +[ Some of your emails arrive as text file attachments to +otherwise empty emails (such as this one) and other times +as ordinary email? Are you sending an unusual format to +the axioim mailing list? (e.g. HTML or "rich text" format). ] + +I agree with your analysis. Note that a similar but +different defintion of shift is given in si.spad.pamphlet +(SingleInteger) + + shift(x,n) == QSLEFTSHIFT(x,n)$Lisp + +In Axiom both + + -> )lisp (ASH -7 -1) + +and + + -> )lisp (QSLEFTSHIFT -7 -1) + +return -4. Oddly, I could not find any definition for +QSLEFTSHIFT. ASH is an "arithmetic" shift. I looked for +a Lisp function for "logical" shift (as found in some +machine architectures) but did not find any. In Axiom +I can write + + -> ASH(-7,-1)$Lisp + +but + + -> QSLEFTSHIFT(-7,-1)$Lisp + +says: "QSLEFTSHIFT is not a lisp function ..." ??? + +Maybe some of the Lisp programmers here can give us a +clue as to why? + +Failing finding a native Lisp function that does the +job, how about defining it as + + shift(x,y) == integer(ASH(x-1,y)$Lisp)+1 + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + +> From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu +> [mailto:dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:41 PM +> To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] Left shifts of negative numbers + +> I have investigated Bug #4733 (rounding of negative numbers). +> The problem is unexpected behaviour of 'shift' with negative +> arguments: 'shift(-7,-1)' is -4, while the code in the +> 'truncate' function in float.spad.pamphlet clearly expects the +> answer to be -3 in this case. The definition of what 'shift' +> should do in IntegerNumberSystem is ambiguous about what should +> happen with negative arguments, but in integer.spad.pamphlet +> 'shift' is actually implemented with a call to the lisp function +> 'ash'; according to the standard I found on the web (see + +http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_ash.htm#ash + +> ), 'ash' should have the opposite behaviour: '(ash -7 -1)' +> should be -4 (as GCL implements). +> +> Presumably the correct fix involves changing 'shift' so that +> it rounds towards 0 when both arguments are negative (and +> documenting how it actually behaves), rather than changing +> the code in float.spad to deal with the current behaviour? +> What will other axiom code expect? Most of the instances in +> the algebra tree seem to apply 'shift' only when the first +> argument is positive. +> +> Peace, +> Dylan + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 21:02:33 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9a3b-0005E0-HB + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:02:31 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9a3K-00053f-0E + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:02:14 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9a2j-0004kQ-Se + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:02:09 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A9ZBK-0006eG-Mh + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:06:26 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9Z5S-00041N-SQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:00:23 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9F00Kkt006511; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:00:20 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F00Jar006444; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:00:20 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:00:46 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D44@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'dpt@math.harvard.edu'" , "Page, Bill" + +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Left shifts of negative numbers +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:00:42 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:02:19 -0000 + +Dylan, + +You wrote: + +>... +> An alternative is +> +> shift(x,y) == -integer(ASH(-x,y)$LISP) +> +> which might be clearer. +> + +I think + + shift(x,y) == sign(x)*integer(ASH(sign(x)*x,y)$Lisp + +should be ok for all cases? + +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 21:34:16 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9aYJ-0000Ti-Et + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:34:15 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9aYE-0000Rd-2l + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:34:10 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9aXf-0000Eb-UV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:34:07 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A9aXe-00007O-BU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:33:34 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9aWK-0003dU-Cl + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:32:12 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id BAE5A188D2; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:32:10 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:32:10 -0400 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Message-ID: <20031015013210.GA10976@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" +Content-Disposition: inline +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Differential equations? +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:34:12 -0000 + + +--Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline + +Has anyone successfully run any differential equation examples? See +bug #5975, but there's no useful information there. + +Peace, + Dylan + +--Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/jKOaVeybfhaa3tcRAv7zAJ9S1gow2Tu5NcfN0MIPtXtgkIh47ACgoH0p +QMCDJwktMwR7PXGsjO3JnOE= +=2A+f +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 22:03:37 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9b0i-0000pb-QK + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:03:36 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9b0g-0000oq-UT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:03:34 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9b0A-0000iB-22 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:03:33 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9b09-0000i3-QM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:03:01 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (223.182.252.64.snet.net [64.252.182.223]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9F22xIN156038; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:02:59 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F22nx28019; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:02:49 -0400 +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:02:49 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310150202.h9F22nx28019@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +In-reply-to: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D43@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of + negative numbers) +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D43@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:03:35 -0000 + +I'm buried on three other paths so I can't research this at the moment. +Things to know: + +1 QSLEFTSHIFT is a lisp macro (vmlisp.lisp) so it won't show up in + open code and is only used during compile time. The QS* functions + are heavily type-specified so that the lisp compiler can generate + optimal code. + +2 The shift function in SingleInteger has the SPADreplace property + (see SINT.NRLIB/code.lsp). That means that algebra code that uses + shift will be replaced by a call to QSLEFTSHIFT at compile time. + The line you are looking for reads: + + (PUT (QUOTE |SINT;shift;3$;44|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE QSLEFTSHIFT)) + + In the interpreter you'll find the symbol |SINT;shift;3$;44| + has the property |SPADreplace| on the property list + with the value QSLEFTSHIFT + which the compiler uses to open-code the shift function. + +3 Bootstrap issues make the change harder. You have to be sure that + algebra code has not compiled the previous macro definition of + QSLEFTSHIFT inline (and there is no indication if it has that + you will be able to see without reading the generated code). + +4 shift is HIGHLY optimized. if you change it you need to use lisp + disassemble to examine the code generated by the compiler. The + SINT domain is on the critical path for nearly everything. + +The moral is to change it carefully, optimize the hell out of it, +and test it heavily. + +Tim + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 22:19:14 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9bFq-0004uP-4z + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:19:14 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9bFn-0004tj-AR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:19:11 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9bFH-0004mT-J1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:19:10 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9bFH-0004mM-Bi + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:18:39 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (223.182.252.64.snet.net [64.252.182.223]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9F2IRjA253650; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:18:28 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F2IHc28044; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:18:17 -0400 +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:18:17 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310150218.h9F2IHc28044@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +In-reply-to: <20031015021437.GA6451@lotus.bostoncoop.net> + (dpt@petunia.bostoncoop.net) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of + negative numbers) +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D43@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <200310150202.h9F22nx28019@localhost.localdomain> + <20031015021437.GA6451@lotus.bostoncoop.net> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:19:12 -0000 + +Dylan, + +Unfortunately I can't even look further at the issue now. I'm buried. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 22:44:30 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9ZhR-0002SZ-5b + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:39:37 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9ZSH-000420-PR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:23:57 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9ZBc-0006kJ-Li + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:07:16 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A9Z7a-0005Dh-32 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:02:34 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9YmJ-0002PR-HF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:40:35 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9ENeUEe095064; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:40:30 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9ENeTar094997; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:40:30 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:40:56 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D43@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'dpt@math.harvard.edu'" +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:40:52 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of + negative numbers) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:39:35 -0000 + +Dylan, + +On Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:19 PM you wrote: + +> ... +> > Failing finding a native Lisp function that does the +> > job, how about defining it as +> > +> > shift(x,y) == integer(ASH(x-1,y)$Lisp)+1 +> +> In the case when x and y are both negative, I think this gives the +> "round towards zero" semantics that seem to be expected. An +> alternative is +> +> shift(x,y) == -integer(ASH(-x,y)$LISP) +> +> which might be clearer. +> + +Ok, I will buy that. + +Unfortunately INT, SINT, and NNI are all bootstrapped so +replacing the code and testing is a little more involved. +Do you want to try it, or shall I? + +BTW, I noticed that in the algebra/Makefile.pamphlet Tim +uses + + SETCAT -> SINT -> UFD -> GCDDOM -> COMRING -> RING -> + RNG -> ABELGRP -> CABMON -> ABELMON -> ABELSG -> SETCAT + +as an example of cycle in Axiom's type system. It occurs +to me that perhaps changes such as you suggested (removing +the Latex stuff from SETCAT) might help to eliminate *some* +of this sort of thing. + +I am still not sure whether cycles of this kind are a +good thing or a bad thing ... + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 22:47:46 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9bhJ-00032j-UM + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:47:37 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9aYQ-0000Uu-9j + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:34:22 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9aXm-0000Hn-MC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:34:13 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A9aXm-00007O-8W + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:33:42 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9aUq-0003VZ-Ca + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:40 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 40BD9188D2; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:40 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:40 -0400 +To: "Bill. Page1 (E-mail)" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Left shifts of negative numbers +Message-ID: <20031015013040.GC10818@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D46@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="S1BNGpv0yoYahz37" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D46@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:47:35 -0000 + + +--S1BNGpv0yoYahz37 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 09:09:50PM -0400, Page, Bill wrote: +> Does +> +> shift(x,y) =3D=3D -integer(ASH(-x,y)$Lisp +> +> involve two (potential long) integer multiplications? +> I.e. -1*integer(ASH(-1*x,y)$Lisp + +I don't know whether adding/subtracting 1 or negation will be faster, +but either one should be faster than any multiplication (unless +multiplication by -1 is special cased somewhere). There are no carries +to worry about. + +I suspect the additions are probably faster, actually. + +Peace, + Dylan + +--S1BNGpv0yoYahz37 +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/jKNAVeybfhaa3tcRAhqxAKCM3fUvEfmIr6SBqdSG0pgl5LnIHwCfUs4A +qaeN4PJZqXNF3LQX8Vw5oc8= +=GYUp +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--S1BNGpv0yoYahz37-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 22:56:47 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9bqB-00057M-Fc + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:56:47 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9bq8-00055t-KE + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:56:44 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9bpZ-0004vc-Nq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:56:40 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9bi8-0003E7-PZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:28 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 84FD3188D2; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:28 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:28 -0400 +From: Dylan Thurston +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Left shifts of negative numbers +Message-ID: <20031015024828.GD11183@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D42@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D42@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +X-Original-To: dpt +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:56:46 -0000 + +On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 07:06:07PM -0400, Page, Bill wrote: +> [ Some of your emails arrive as text file attachments to +> otherwise empty emails (such as this one) and other times +> as ordinary email? Are you sending an unusual format to +> the axioim mailing list? (e.g. HTML or "rich text" format). ] + +It's because I habitually sign my e-mails, and that's how the mailing +list software deals with it. I'll stop if it's too annoying. + +> ... Oddly, I could not find any definition for +> QSLEFTSHIFT. + +It's defined as a macro equivalent to ash for fixnum's in +src/interp/vmlisp.lisp.pamphlet. + +> Failing finding a native Lisp function that does the +> job, how about defining it as +> +> shift(x,y) == integer(ASH(x-1,y)$Lisp)+1 + +In the case when x and y are both negative, I think this gives the +"round towards zero" semantics that seem to be expected. An +alternative is + + shift(x,y) == -integer(ASH(-x,y)$LISP) + +which might be clearer. + +Peace, + Dylan + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 23:07:35 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9c0a-0007qZ-Mi + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:07:32 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9c0W-0007oh-1Z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:07:28 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9bzv-0007ea-4M + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:07:23 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9bhu-0003Aa-I8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:14 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 8DF35188D2; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:12 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:12 -0400 +From: Dylan Thurston +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Left shifts of negative numbers +Message-ID: <20031015024812.GC11183@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D44@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D44@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +X-Original-To: dpt +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:07:31 -0000 + +On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 08:00:42PM -0400, Page, Bill wrote: +> I think +> +> shift(x,y) == sign(x)*integer(ASH(sign(x)*x,y)$Lisp +> +> should be ok for all cases? + +Yes, but I think we should avoid multiplications here. Remember that +the integers may be long... + +Peace, + Dylan + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 23:17:57 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cAe-0001nv-S4 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:17:56 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cAb-0001mZ-An + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:17:53 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cA4-0001fX-Fk + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:17:51 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9bJf-0005qx-9E + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:23:11 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9F2N1vu077117; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:23:01 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F2N0ar077050; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:23:00 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:23:27 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D47@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'dpt@math.harvard.edu'" , root +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of n + egative numbers) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:23:20 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:17:55 -0000 + +Dylan, Tim; + +Now Tim has scared me too! + +I am in favour of just changing the use of shift +in float.spad. + +Cheers, +Bill. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: dpt@petunia.bostoncoop.net [mailto:dpt@petunia.bostoncoop.net] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:15 PM +> To: root +> Cc: bill.page1@sympatico.ca; axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: +> Left shifts of +> negative numbers) +> +> +> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:02:49PM -0400, root wrote: +> > 4 shift is HIGHLY optimized. if you change it you need to use lisp +> > disassemble to examine the code generated by the compiler. The +> > SINT domain is on the critical path for nearly everything. +> +> OK. It seems like maintaining the behaviour float.spad seems to be +> expecting is going to be slower than the current situation. How +> loudly will anyone object if we leave 'shift' so that it does what +> Common Lisp calls an 'arithmetic shift' (i.e., shift(-7,-1) = -4), and +> change the code in float.spad? +> +> Peace, +> Dylan +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 23:25:15 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cHi-0003f9-0H + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:25:14 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cHd-0003dW-O6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:25:09 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cH0-0003TL-CH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:25:01 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9bjU-0003Yv-BJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:49:52 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 0B05F188D2; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:49:52 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:49:52 -0400 +To: "Page, Bill" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of n + egative numbers) +Message-ID: <20031015024952.GE11183@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D47@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D47@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:25:12 -0000 + +On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:23:20PM -0400, Page, Bill wrote: +> Dylan, Tim; +> +> Now Tim has scared me too! +> +> I am in favour of just changing the use of shift +> in float.spad. + +OK, I'll do that when I get a chance, as well as taking a look at the +code in contfrac.spad.pamphlet, which was the only other use of 'shift' +I saw that might be affected by this issue. + +Peace, + Dylan + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 23:27:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cJg-0004Am-BS + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:27:16 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9c93-0001TS-QF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:16:17 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9c35-00006x-Nf + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:10:38 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A9aB5-0000OY-La + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:10:15 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9aAQ-0001ee-2D + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:09:34 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9F19Wm3040011; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:09:32 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F19Uar039913; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:09:31 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:09:57 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D46@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'dpt@math.harvard.edu'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Left shifts of negative numbers +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:09:50 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:27:14 -0000 + +Does + + shift(x,y) == -integer(ASH(-x,y)$Lisp + +involve two (potential long) integer multiplications? +I.e. -1*integer(ASH(-1*x,y)$Lisp + + +> +> Yes, but I think we should avoid multiplications here. +> Remember that the integers may be long... +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 23:28:14 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9c8N-0001Mu-LO + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:15:35 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9c8C-0001KQ-4x + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:15:24 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9c7Y-0001Bv-Vu + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:15:16 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9bhg-00037c-CI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:00 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 0DDA5188D2; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:00 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:00 -0400 +From: Dylan Thurston +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Message-ID: <20031015024800.GB11183@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D43@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D43@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +X-Original-To: dpt +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of + negative numbers) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:15:33 -0000 + +On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 07:40:52PM -0400, Page, Bill wrote: +> Unfortunately INT, SINT, and NNI are all bootstrapped so +> replacing the code and testing is a little more involved. +> Do you want to try it, or shall I? + +That scares me a bit. Can you do it, and record the steps involved? + +But I don't think NNI (NonNegativeInteger) should need any changes, +since there's no difference when the arguments are positive... + +Maybe it's worth writing some code to check that the generated .lisp +files are the same as the cached ones? Or is that already written? + +> BTW, I noticed that in the algebra/Makefile.pamphlet Tim +> uses +> +> SETCAT -> SINT -> UFD -> GCDDOM -> COMRING -> RING -> +> RNG -> ABELGRP -> CABMON -> ABELMON -> ABELSG -> SETCAT +> +> as an example of cycle in Axiom's type system. It occurs +> to me that perhaps changes such as you suggested (removing +> the Latex stuff from SETCAT) might help to eliminate *some* +> of this sort of thing. + +Well, this one would go away if the 'hash' function were removed from +SETCAT. It's the obvious weak link in that chain; the others are all +very reasonable. (Except that integers mod a power of 2 +are not actually a UFD...) + +I thought at first that the 'hash' function was better than 'latex', +but now I see that that's not true: if the type doesn't support proper +equality testing, it's not safe to use hash, and if it does, then +there's always a fall-back (although slower) algorithm, and by having +a separate 'Hashable' class and checking 'if T has Hashable then ...' +you could arrange for all algorithms to run as fast in practice. + +> I am still not sure whether cycles of this kind are a +> good thing or a bad thing ... + +There may be cases when cycles are necessary, but I don't think this +is one. + +Peace, + Dylan + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 23:32:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9c2z-00004w-Ey + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:10:01 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9c1L-00084J-FL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:08:19 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9blO-00045v-Id + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:52:21 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9bPz-0007Ov-L2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:29:43 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9F2TYan078794; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:29:34 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F2TVar078727; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:29:32 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:29:57 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D48@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of n + egative numbers) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:29:55 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:10:00 -0000 + +Tim, + +Thanks for taking the time to explain all this. + +I was especially mystified by the code in float.spad that +defines: + + shift(x:%,n:I) == [x.mantissa,x.exponent+n] + +but you wrote: + +> ... +> Things to know: +> +> ... +> 2 The shift function in SingleInteger has the SPADreplace property +> (see SINT.NRLIB/code.lsp). That means that algebra code that uses +> shift will be replaced by a call to QSLEFTSHIFT at compile time. +> The line you are looking for reads: +> +> (PUT (QUOTE |SINT;shift;3$;44|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) +> (QUOTE QSLEFTSHIFT)) +> +> In the interpreter you'll find the symbol |SINT;shift;3$;44| +> has the property |SPADreplace| on the property list +> with the value QSLEFTSHIFT +> which the compiler uses to open-code the shift function. +> + +Wow! I think that explains a lot... + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 23:54:46 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9ckG-0002tk-87 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:54:44 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9ckD-0002sr-Lq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:54:41 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cjf-0002kr-4P + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:54:39 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9cd1-000124-TU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:47:15 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9F3lFfl008154 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:47:15 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F3lCar008087 + for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:47:13 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:47:38 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D49@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of n + egative numbers) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:47:32 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:54:43 -0000 + +On Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:30 PM I wrote: +> +> I was especially mystified by the code in float.spad that +> defines: +> +> shift(x:%,n:I) == [x.mantissa,x.exponent+n] +> + +On second (or is it third?) thought, this is not really +mysterious. The above definition of shift is for the +case where the first argument is a Float. This definition +is correct and not directly affected by the problem with +shift for negative integer arguments. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 14 23:57:59 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9ccF-0000lp-5A + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:46:27 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cUn-0006z6-4r + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:38:45 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cEH-0002oN-0E + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:22:11 -0400 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1A9a9Y-0008KJ-Pj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:08:40 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9a2y-000147-BM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:01:52 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 179A5188D2; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:01:45 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:01:44 -0400 +To: "Page, Bill" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Left shifts of negative numbers +Message-ID: <20031015010144.GA10818@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D44@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D44@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:46:16 -0000 + + +--EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 08:00:42PM -0400, Page, Bill wrote: +> I think +> +> shift(x,y) =3D=3D sign(x)*integer(ASH(sign(x)*x,y)$Lisp +> +> should be ok for all cases? + +Yes, but I think we should avoid multiplications here. Remember that +the integers may be long... + +Peace, + Dylan + +--EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/jJx4Veybfhaa3tcRAvYwAJ9KDFytsb0F1yiSngpy0GevQXnwfQCePB+J +FcZwPFH8l9/N2y8K+3UgDjY= +=vKHL +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 00:00:18 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cpb-0004BH-2G + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:00:15 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cpV-00049o-DO + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:00:09 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9coy-000404-Nz + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:00:07 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9ciM-0002O9-A3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:52:46 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (223.182.252.64.snet.net [64.252.182.223]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9F3qVIN034066; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:52:31 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F3qIw28305; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:52:18 -0400 +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:52:18 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310150352.h9F3qIw28305@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +In-reply-to: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D47@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of n + egative numbers) +References: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D47@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:00:12 -0000 + +didn't mean to scare anyone. it is just that there are several +things that are not apparent. i'd recommend trying to build a +system with your changes, look at the generated lisp code, +look at the compiled code, look at where the code you are +changing is used in the rest of the library, etc. +and ask questions. i can't tell you everything but i can give +you guys some idea of the issues if you ask particular questions. + +t + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 00:15:59 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9czV-0000ER-0q + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:10:29 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cyg-0008K3-S8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:09:38 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9cxu-0007Y5-8r + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:09:21 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9cmu-0003Zy-L8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:57:28 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9F3vFN8013801; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:57:15 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F3vCar013734; + Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:57:13 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:57:38 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D4A@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'dpt@math.harvard.edu'" +Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:57:31 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: algebra cycles again +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:10:27 -0000 + +Dylan, + +On Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:48 PM you wrote: + +[about modifying spad files that involve a bootstrap] + +> ... +> Maybe it's worth writing some code to check that the +> generated .lisp files are the same as the cached ones? +> Or is that already written? + +No, as far as I know this hasn't been written. But I +agree that it would be a good idea. However it is +apparently not trivial since the symbols in the generated +lisp code do not seem to be the same as those in the +at least the current bootstrap lisp code. Perhaps the +current bootstrap lisp code was not generated by GCL? + +If re-generating the bootstrap code from the newly +compiled bootstrapped modules will stablize the names, +then a comparison (the next time around) would be +fairly trivial. Otherwise a more intellegence "equivalence" +test might be required. + +In any case, if we really do need to depend on iteratively +compiling the algebra code containing cycles to a "fixed +point" solution, then such a comparison will ultimately +have to be written. + +> +> > BTW, I noticed that in the algebra/Makefile.pamphlet Tim +> > uses +> > +> > SETCAT -> SINT -> UFD -> GCDDOM -> COMRING -> RING -> +> > RNG -> ABELGRP -> CABMON -> ABELMON -> ABELSG -> SETCAT +> > +> > as an example of cycle in Axiom's type system. It occurs +> > to me that perhaps changes such as you suggested (removing +> > the Latex stuff from SETCAT) might help to eliminate *some* +> > of this sort of thing. +> +> Well, this one would go away if the 'hash' function were +> removed from SETCAT. It's the obvious weak link in that +> chain; the others are all very reasonable. (Except that +> integers mod a power of 2 are not actually a UFD...) +> +> I thought at first that the 'hash' function was better than +> 'latex', but now I see that that's not true: if the type +> doesn't support proper equality testing, it's not safe to +> use hash, and if it does, then there's always a fall-back +> (although slower) algorithm, and by having a separate +> 'Hashable' class and checking 'if T has Hashable then ...' +> you could arrange for all algorithms to run as fast in +> practice. + +I tentatively agree with you about this. I think it would +be worth a test to see what impact removing the hash function +from SETCAT might have on the rest of the type system. + +> +> > I am still not sure whether cycles of this kind are a +> > good thing or a bad thing ... +> +> There may be cases when cycles are necessary, but I don't +> think this is one. +> + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 00:44:09 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9dES-00079m-DO + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:25:56 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9dDU-0005wc-Rw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:24:56 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9dCj-0005DN-Os + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:24:40 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9dC0-0004oD-3h + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:23:24 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9F4NMc2023282; + Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:23:22 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F4NLar023215; + Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:23:22 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:23:48 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D4B@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: Left shifts of n + egative numbers) +Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:23:42 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:25:48 -0000 + +Axiom Developers, + +In case you didn't get the automatic notice... +I've posted a patch to float.spad.pamphlet at + +https://savannah.nongnu.org/patch/index.php?group_id=2938 +&func=detailpatch&patch_id 74 + +to correct Bug #4733 (rounding of negative numbers). +After applying the patch, just re-compile Axiom using +the command + + make + +in the axiom root directory. + +So far I have done only preliminary testing. + +Dylan, I let you continue to analyze contfrac. +Thanks. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu +> [mailto:dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:50 PM +> To: Page, Bill +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] algebra cycles again (was: +> Left shifts of +> n egative numbers) +> +> +> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:23:20PM -0400, Page, Bill wrote: +> > Dylan, Tim; +> > +> > Now Tim has scared me too! +> > +> > I am in favour of just changing the use of shift +> > in float.spad. +> +> OK, I'll do that when I get a chance, as well as taking a look +> at the code in contfrac.spad.pamphlet, which was the only other +> use of 'shift' I saw that might be affected by this issue. +> +> Peace, +> Dylan +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 12:44:18 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9oky-000348-Pf + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:44:16 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9okv-00032P-SR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:44:13 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9okG-0002Z4-QI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:44:03 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=mwinf0402.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9okG-0002Yw-Fi + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:43:32 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-33-203.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.249.60.203]) by mwinf0402.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 0A8CB800985; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:43:31 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A9okD-0000Wk-00; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:43:29 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <200310141820.h9EIKSG09173@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:43:29 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310141820.h9EIKSG09173@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> (Tim Daly's + message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:20:28 -0400") +Message-ID: <87ismq8n9q.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: chunking +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:44:14 -0000 + +Hello Tim, + +Tim Daly writes: + +> The primary use of chunking is to reorder the program source into +> a document-style of explanation. + +That's what I wanted to avoid: moving code chunks to fits the +documentation. In my modest experience, it is better to follow usual +coding practice for the given language. I may be wrong. Time will tell. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 13:13:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9pDR-0006VB-7T + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:13:41 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9pDM-0006UU-VP + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:13:36 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9pCq-0006IY-9F + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:13:35 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9pCp-0006H6-El + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:13:03 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9FHCPv22782; + Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:12:25 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9FGY6g08984; + Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:34:06 -0400 +Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:34:06 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310151634.h9FGY6g08984@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +In-reply-to: <20031011153237.GA22250@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + (dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: coerce, cast, partial fractions +References: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031009173916.GA15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <3F87B296.A543BA8E@cunyvm.cuny.edu> + <20031011153237.GA22250@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:13:37 -0000 + + +David Mentre writes: +> Tim Daly writes: +> +> > The primary use of chunking is to reorder the program source into +> > a document-style of explanation. +> +> That's what I wanted to avoid: moving code chunks to fits the +> documentation. In my modest experience, it is better to follow usual +> coding practice for the given language. I may be wrong. Time will tell. + +Knuth invented the machinery for literate programming because he felt +that the explanation of code should be arranged for the human needs +not for machine requirements. If you look at the TeX literate sources +you'll find he completely rearranges all of TeX to fit the need to +explain design choices. + +I expect the Axiom code to be embedded in research papers (see +dhmatrix.spad.pamphlet) and textbook sources. The code should appear +"at the natural location" for the explanation. + +So the whole point of chunking is the ability to move code. + +If you don't move the code then all you have are "inline comments" +rather than literate programs. Inline comments are insufficient +to handle mixing research results, which are the primary items of +interest, with reduction to practice (that is, the code) which is +secondary and subject to change. + +So far we have almost no research results embedded in the algebra +code so code chunking is only used to implement bootstrapping. +I expect this to change in the future. I have permission to use +several research papers and when I get the world stable I plan +to start with the research papers to re-chunk and rewrite the +algebra. We want the algebra directory to combine the mathematics +with the code. Otherwise no-one will be able to maintain and +extend the system. There is hardly a word of text about the +theory behind the integration code, not a comment about extending +the field of constants, not a hint of practical concerns of +intermediate expression swell, no discussion of missing cases. +The code is "just there". + +Beyond the math research there are computational mathematics issues +that need to be explained. For instance, how are domains created +by the compiler? What optimizations take place, where are they +done, and why? (See my note about SINT yesterday. I'm one of the +few people who know what these optimizations are, where they are, +why they are important, ) + +Think of Axiom as a huge mathematical library of textbooks +rather than a huge pile of code. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 13:30:51 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9pU3-00044N-8G + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:30:51 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9pU0-00043S-Mw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:30:48 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9pTL-0003wo-VC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:30:39 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9pTL-0003wb-I1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:30:07 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id 214E1188D2; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:30:07 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:30:07 -0400 +To: David MENTRE +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: chunking +Message-ID: <20031015173007.GC14004@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <200310141820.h9EIKSG09173@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <87ismq8n9q.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="p2kqVDKq5asng8Dg" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <87ismq8n9q.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:30:49 -0000 + + +--p2kqVDKq5asng8Dg +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 06:43:29PM +0200, David MENTRE wrote: +> Hello Tim, +> +> Tim Daly writes: +> +> > The primary use of chunking is to reorder the program source into +> > a document-style of explanation. +> +> That's what I wanted to avoid: moving code chunks to fits the +> documentation. In my modest experience, it is better to follow usual +> coding practice for the given language. I may be wrong. Time will tell. + +I have some limited experience with Haskell literate programs. Haskell +does not provide any mechanism to move chunks in literate programs, but +in practice it is not at all an issue: since definitions are almost +invariably short and can appear in any order, there are few constraints +on natural writing style. Axiom may well be the same way, with the +possible exception of the interface/implementation split. + +Peace, + Dylan + +--p2kqVDKq5asng8Dg +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/jYQeVeybfhaa3tcRAimuAKCDmZ9waTovz9+DnF61UBetwzDvYQCgnxfd +Z+s+QPyg0tXCnK53BNaarRw= +=5dRE +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--p2kqVDKq5asng8Dg-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 14:37:53 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9qWq-0004Zc-ST + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:37:48 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9qWe-00045v-S8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:37:36 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9qVm-0002tI-Tv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:37:14 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.26] (helo=mwinf0504.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9qVm-0002sw-Fr + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:36:42 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-33-203.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.249.60.203]) by mwinf0504.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 8A755100122A; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:36:41 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A9qVf-0002mb-00; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:36:35 +0200 +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: coerce, cast, partial fractions +References: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031009173916.GA15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <3F87B296.A543BA8E@cunyvm.cuny.edu> + <20031011153237.GA22250@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <200310151634.h9FGY6g08984@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:36:34 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310151634.h9FGY6g08984@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> (Tim Daly's + message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:34:06 -0400") +Message-ID: <87ekxe8i19.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:37:47 -0000 + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Knuth invented the machinery for literate programming because he felt +> that the explanation of code should be arranged for the human needs +> not for machine requirements. If you look at the TeX literate sources +> you'll find he completely rearranges all of TeX to fit the need to +> explain design choices. + +But sometimes machine requirements help understand human needs. It was +at least my feeling for literate OCaml code. + +How many people have read the TeX book and understood it? Don't forget +that Knuth has designed his tools at a time were languages were quite +restricted. Nowadays, we have more elaborated tools, at the language +level. + +I have tried to read Knuth book on graph algorithms (which is also using +literate programming). I found his code hard to follow. Just my own +experience. + +> I expect the Axiom code to be embedded in research papers (see +> dhmatrix.spad.pamphlet) and textbook sources. The code should appear +> "at the natural location" for the explanation. + +I'll take a more deep look at dhmatrix.spad.pamphlet. + +> So the whole point of chunking is the ability to move code. +> +> If you don't move the code then all you have are "inline comments" +> rather than literate programs. Inline comments are insufficient +> to handle mixing research results, which are the primary items of +> interest, with reduction to practice (that is, the code) which is +> secondary and subject to change. + +Ok, you are probably right. But my own feeling is that inline comment is +sufficient for most of the code. This does not preclude the use of more +well chosen code chunk for very difficult points or introductory +overview. + +Yours, +d. + +PS: Tim, what have you done at the CVS tree? It seems that the whole + Axiom source tree need to be recompiled. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 15:09:02 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9r12-0001sg-QZ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:09:00 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9r0z-0001nL-RV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:08:57 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9r0N-0001C3-Tf + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:08:51 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9r0N-00018j-ET + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:08:19 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9FJ7hv22890; + Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:07:43 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9FITND17830; + Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:29:23 -0400 +Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:29:23 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310151829.h9FITND17830@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +In-reply-to: <87ekxe8i19.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (message from David MENTRE on Wed, 15 + Oct 2003 20:36:34 +0200) +References: <200310091431.h99EVtJ18877@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <20031009173916.GA15373@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <3F87B296.A543BA8E@cunyvm.cuny.edu> + <20031011153237.GA22250@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> + <200310151634.h9FGY6g08984@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <87ekxe8i19.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] literate programs +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:08:58 -0000 + +I claim that Axiom is different from most programs. Most programs +can be supported by inline comments. Java code (sorry Bill) is +a good example. The Javadoc mechanism is sufficient to document +the various class files in a disciplined way. I can generally +figure out how to use a class given the Javadoc. + +Axiom is different. Axiom programming requires that you understand +both math and computer science. You need to understand the math theory +to make, modify, and maintain the math. Javadoc (and inline comments) +will not be sufficient. + +I also claim (as long as I'm making wild, unsubstantiated claims) +that all computational mathematics software will eventually require +literate programming to keep the expertise with the code. + +We've all been trained to think of the code as important. +However, in the long term the mathematical and comp-sci research +results are important. The reduction to practice (the code) needs +to evolve and any instance is less important. + +re: changing all of the files +At NAG's request I restored all of the original copyright and license +text. It took about a week and touched almost every file. Sorry about +that. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 16:59:20 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9sjn-0000Oq-Pd + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:59:19 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9sjl-0000OL-BU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:59:17 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9sjF-0000F7-70 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:59:16 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9sjE-0000Ef-CB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:58:44 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (64.117.252.64.snet.net [64.252.117.64]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9FKoijA069782; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:50:44 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FKoXc29583; + Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:50:33 -0400 +Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:50:33 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310152050.h9FKoXc29583@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: vdhoeven@texmacs.org +In-reply-to: <87vfqq8ny7.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (message from David MENTRE on Wed, 15 + Oct 2003 18:28:48 +0200) +References: + <87vfqq8ny7.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:59:18 -0000 + +Joris, + +RE: startup problem + +You AXIOM variable is set wrong. You must have had a NAG version installed +at some point. Check your .bashrc file (or other shell startup file). +It is probably reset in there. + + +RE: binary version + +We do have a binary version available but it only seems to work on Redhat 9. +Visit axiom.tenkan.org for the executable binary. + +Does anyone know what would be needed to create a statically linked lisp? + + +RE: configure, make, make install + +configure has nothing to do. You have to set the AXIOM variable. +We could include a configure shell script that prints "set the AXIOM variable". + +make exists and is used. + +I'll look into an "install" stanza in the root Makefile. Consider it a bug +until this gets fixed. + +The whole "configure, make, make install" has an underlying assumption +that you are working in C. We're working mostly in Lisp. In theory I should +be using lisp defsystem rather than makefiles. + +RE: failed compile. + +The GCL 2.5.2 build failed. saved_gcl is the name of the gcl 2.5.2 lisp +executable. Make says "Commande introuvable" (which I can't translate). +Redhat 9 ships with GCC 3.2.2 whereas your GCC version is downlevel. +Even my Redhat 7.3 system shipped with GCC 2.96. + + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 17:47:45 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9tUf-0001aL-BX + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:47:45 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9tUc-0001Zy-JT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:47:42 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9tU6-0001U6-L3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:47:41 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9tU6-0001Tr-6N + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:47:10 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-33-203.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.249.60.203]) by mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 30EBD18050FD; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:47:09 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1A9tU4-0005rG-00; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:47:08 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: + <87vfqq8ny7.fsf@wanadoo.fr> + <200310152050.h9FKoXc29583@localhost.localdomain> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:47:07 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310152050.h9FKoXc29583@localhost.localdomain> (daly@idsi.net's + message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:50:33 -0400") +Message-ID: <871xte897o.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:47:43 -0000 + +root writes: + +> Does anyone know what would be needed to create a statically linked +> lisp? + +Not tested: do 'CFLAGS=--static ./configure' at configure step when + building GCL. + +Another approach: 'CC="gcc --static" ./configure', still at configure + level for GCL. + +I think second approach has more chance to work correctly. + +> Make says "Commande introuvable" (which I can't translate). + ^^"Command not found" + + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 15 23:26:24 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9ymN-0001sv-R1 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:26:23 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9ymJ-0001rd-P7 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:26:19 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1A9ylj-0001eK-0u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:26:15 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9yli-0001de-2g + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:25:42 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (64.117.252.64.snet.net [64.252.117.64]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9G3PQjA228054; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:25:26 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G3PEp29777; + Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:25:14 -0400 +Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:25:14 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310160325.h9G3PEp29777@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu, david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] infinity in tex mode +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:26:21 -0000 + +Dylan, + +I applied your change, rebuilt the system, tested it, and uploaded +the changed file to CVS. + +David, + +The tex infinity bug should be closed. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 06:16:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5BR-0002Ih-Re + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:16:41 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5BM-0002HG-L2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:16:36 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5Ap-00029r-Sq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:16:34 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.52.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA5Ao-00029N-QS + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:16:02 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GAFp0s005570 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:15:53 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id 6D37AC017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:15:51 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id 6A9C258D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:15:51 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:15:51 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: root +In-Reply-To: <200310152050.h9FKoXc29583@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, vdhoeven@texmacs.org, + axiom@tenkan.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:16:39 -0000 + + +> RE: binary version +> +> We do have a binary version available but it only seems to work on Redhat 9. +> Visit axiom.tenkan.org for the executable binary. +> +> Does anyone know what would be needed to create a statically linked lisp? + +For RedHat distributions, you should also create an RPM. +I understand that all this is quite a burdern, but I really think that +this should be your highest priority now that Axiom compiles for you. + +> The whole "configure, make, make install" has an underlying assumption +> that you are working in C. We're working mostly in Lisp. In theory I should +> be using lisp defsystem rather than makefiles. + +Yet, ./configure, make, make install is the (GNU) standard for other +languages too. GNU Emacs is written in lisp too... + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 06:44:26 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5bg-0001RL-3w + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:48 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5bS-0001LK-Vw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:34 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5au-0001BD-Ok + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:31 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA5an-00018Y-64 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:42:53 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (64.117.252.64.snet.net [64.252.117.64]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9GAgfjA243190; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:42:41 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GAgTD30292; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:42:29 -0400 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:42:29 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310161042.h9GAgTD30292@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: vdhoeven@texmacs.org, camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: (message from + Joris van der Hoeven on Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:15:51 +0200 (CEST)) +References: +Cc: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + daly@idsi.net, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:43:45 -0000 + +Joris, + +Re: rpms + +An rpm is coming. Documentation is my highest priority (Bill Page +did an Axiom tutorial using TeXmacs. Your feedback is welcome). +My schedule is more shortest-job-first so minor changes happen +in a reasonable amount of time. I'm unskilled in making rpms +so I have to try making a few first anyway. + +Re: configure + +I'll understand your point and will consider it further. + +Re: sorry + +Don't worry. If you have problems and you are an experienced +"build-from-sources" user then we have more work to do. +I appreciate your feedback. + +Re: removing mnt/linux + +I suppose the "make install" should make the AXIOM variable disappear. +The "axiom" command is supposed to be a shell script and will be again +in the future. I need to change this soon so it'll be on the shortest +job list. + +Re: "last really stable version of gcc" + +Yeah, I understand. I'm in a struggle to compile Magnus which is a +huge C++ program that died of code-rot because some damn fool +decided to change the C++ language "standard". But my attitude is +that you have to keep up with the changes so I really have no choice +but to buy a new C++ book, get educated, and rewrite the code. Pain, +pain, endless pain. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 06:45:04 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5cl-0001vH-JZ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:44:55 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5cW-0001mW-67 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:44:40 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5br-0001ZZ-Ny + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:44:31 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA5bl-0001WP-HC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:53 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (64.117.252.64.snet.net [64.252.117.64]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9GAhZrQ135610; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:39 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GAhN630296; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:23 -0400 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:23 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310161043.h9GAhN630296@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: camm@enhanced.com +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: static lisp and rpms +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:44:54 -0000 + + +Camm, + +do you have any advice on building a static lisp? +I'm going to try David's suggestion (CC="gcc -static"). + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 06:50:55 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5iY-0002r4-Mg + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:50:54 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5iV-0002qd-8l + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:50:51 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5hy-0002oG-L7 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:50:49 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.52.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA5hx-0002nw-UJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:50:18 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GAo70s005956 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:07 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id 2E2F7C017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:07 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id 251FC58D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:07 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:07 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: root +In-Reply-To: <200310161042.h9GAgTD30292@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:50:52 -0000 + + +> An rpm is coming. + +Great. + +> Documentation is my highest priority (Bill Page +> did an Axiom tutorial using TeXmacs. Your feedback is welcome). + +Will do. + +> My schedule is more shortest-job-first so minor changes happen +> in a reasonable amount of time. I'm unskilled in making rpms +> so I have to try making a few first anyway. + +Count between one day and two days of work. + +> Re: configure +> +> I'll understand your point and will consider it further. + +Thanks. + +> Re: removing mnt/linux +> +> I suppose the "make install" should make the AXIOM variable disappear. + +Yes, but it is good to have a directory structure which is as clean +as possible too. I see no point in having these useless unary directories +mnt and linux around in a binary tarball. + +> Re: "last really stable version of gcc" +> +> Yeah, I understand. I'm in a struggle to compile Magnus which is a +> huge C++ program that died of code-rot because some damn fool +> decided to change the C++ language "standard". But my attitude is +> that you have to keep up with the changes so I really have no choice +> but to buy a new C++ book, get educated, and rewrite the code. Pain, +> pain, endless pain. + +The point is that the whole gcc-3.* series has been *severely bugged*. +In my case, all code is conform to the previous and current C++, +but the new C++ optimizer just sucks. Things seem to improve a bit +in the very last versions though. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 07:05:08 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5v5-0004m5-1Q + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:03:51 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5tq-0004YD-0f + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:02:34 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5rc-0004Ep-KO + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:00:47 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.50.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA5ra-0004EQ-8h + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:00:14 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GB040s006097 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:00:04 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id 1FCB4C017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:00:04 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id 1D15E58D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:00:04 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:00:04 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: root +In-Reply-To: <200310161042.h9GAgTD30292@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:03:44 -0000 + + +What happened with the tm_axiom script since our last discussion? +Do we have something which is compatible with both Axioms now? +As soon as this is the case, I will include it in TeXmacs. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 07:14:09 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA64f-0006Sd-2l + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:13:45 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA62t-000636-6a + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:11:55 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA5yh-0005em-O1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:08:06 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA5xE-0005HL-T6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:06:04 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (64.117.252.64.snet.net [64.252.117.64]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9GB5pjA171660; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:05:51 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GB5dP30355; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:05:39 -0400 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:05:39 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310161105.h9GB5dP30355@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: vdhoeven@texmacs.org +In-reply-to: (message from + Joris van der Hoeven on Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:00:04 +0200 (CEST)) +References: +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:13:43 -0000 + +Joris, + +I believe the decision was that we should make it part of the axiom +distribution rather than texmacs. There is a legacy issue because +of the previous Axiom (which has been off the market for 2 years) +is still being considered. I have to get a copy of the latest version. + +I suppose the current answer is that tm_axiom will become part of +the distribution and magically installed as part of "make install". +Heck, we could even use "configure" to find texmacs. :-) + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 07:21:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA67Y-0008NM-1f + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:16:44 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA66W-0008AK-0n + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:15:40 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA65e-0006vj-Ic + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:15:17 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.50.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA65Y-0006o9-Ay + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:14:40 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GBEA0s006294 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:14:10 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id 8FD4FC017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:14:10 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id 859E658D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:14:10 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:14:10 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: root +In-Reply-To: <200310161105.h9GB5dP30355@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:16:41 -0000 + + +> I suppose the current answer is that tm_axiom will become part of +> the distribution and magically installed as part of "make install". + +That is OK with me, but what do we do with the old version of Axiom? +Just let it burn in hell? + +> Heck, we could even use "configure" to find texmacs. :-) + +You may want to use `texmacs --path` or `texmacs --binpath`. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 07:25:35 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA6G5-0001Kl-Ub + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:25:33 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA6G2-0001JO-4S + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:25:30 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA6FR-0001Ca-Tn + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:25:26 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA6EQ-00017k-TJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:23:50 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (64.117.252.64.snet.net [64.252.117.64]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9GBNkrQ120916; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:23:46 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GBNVn30398; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:23:31 -0400 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:23:31 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310161123.h9GBNVn30398@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: vdhoeven@texmacs.org +In-reply-to: (message from + Joris van der Hoeven on Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:14:10 +0200 (CEST)) +References: +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:25:32 -0000 + +re: NAG Axiom + +I've offered to pick up support for the prior Axiom, including if +necessary, providing gratis contract work thru NAG. The response +is that would require access to sources that were not released and +they cannot do that. I don't understand why a contract employee +can't see source code but that's the decision. + +I can still support the current NAG Axiom users for algebra. +They can recompile changes to the algebra files and install them. +Currently all of the algebra sources are in old Axiom format +under mnt/linux/src/algebra. + +re: texmacs and tm_axiom + +Suppose I had tm_axiom in the current directory. +Suppose I had texmacs installed in /usr/local/texmacs. +Can you give me a idea of "install" instructions for tm_axiom into texmacs? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 07:58:06 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA6lZ-00030Y-PS + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:58:05 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA6lX-0002zo-6G + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:58:03 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA6jq-0002in-Gf + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:56:49 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA6jo-0002hz-Kj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:56:16 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (64.117.252.64.snet.net [64.252.117.64]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9GBuFrQ168938 + for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:56:15 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GBu3R30430; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:56:03 -0400 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:56:03 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310161156.h9GBu3R30430@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] synthesis +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:58:03 -0000 + +*, + +There are several requests under consideration. + +David and Joris have been calling for a "configure" command. +Dylan and Bill have been trying to set up tm_axiom with texmacs. +Camm and Juergen have asked to use the already installed lisp. +Joris would like a static version of the system. +Dylan would like the make variables to be available everywhere. +I've been wondering about platform-specific complexity. + +I may have the names wrong but the point is that I'm now convinced +that I have to change direction. + +./configure can be used to attack all of these problems. +So I'll write up an initial script, post it, and we can play with it. + +Tim + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 08:52:34 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA7cE-0002q0-8N + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:52:30 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA7c6-0002oZ-FR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:52:22 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA7bZ-0002kB-6o + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:52:21 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.50.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA7bY-0002jn-FF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:51:48 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GCpa0s007928 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:51:37 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id 840F9C017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:51:36 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id 7A3FD58D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:51:36 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:51:36 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: root +In-Reply-To: <200310161123.h9GBNVn30398@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org, grozin@texamcs.org, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:52:24 -0000 + + +> re: NAG Axiom +> +> I've offered to pick up support for the prior Axiom, including if +> necessary, providing gratis contract work thru NAG. The response +> is that would require access to sources that were not released and +> they cannot do that. I don't understand why a contract employee +> can't see source code but that's the decision. +> +> I can still support the current NAG Axiom users for algebra. +> They can recompile changes to the algebra files and install them. +> Currently all of the algebra sources are in old Axiom format +> under mnt/linux/src/algebra. + +OK, so without any cooperation from NAG, we should probably +drop the old tm_axiom, except if Andrey Grozin finds a way to +keep it working. + +> re: texmacs and tm_axiom +> +> Suppose I had tm_axiom in the current directory. +> Suppose I had texmacs installed in /usr/local/texmacs. +> Can you give me a idea of "install" instructions for tm_axiom into texmacs? + +First of all, you should really distribute the entire axiom plugin if +you want to distribute the tm_axiom file. In the current distribution, +this means all what you have in $TEXMACS_PATH/plugins/axiom, +where $TEXMACS_PATH=/usr/local/texmacs for you. In general, +plugins are either installed in $TEXMACS_PATH/plugins (when the user +has root privileges) or in $HOME/.TeXmacs/plugins (for ordinary users). +So you should first try the first and then the second. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 09:16:56 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA7zs-0001zr-AJ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:16:56 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA7zq-0001za-8Z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:16:54 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA7zI-0001vU-Ng + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:16:51 -0400 +Received: from [62.231.131.195] (helo=mail35.messagelabs.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA7zI-0001vF-B4 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:16:20 -0400 +X-VirusChecked: Checked +X-Env-Sender: miked@nag.co.uk +X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-35.messagelabs.com!1066310175!910603 +X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=nag.co.uk,-,- +Received: (qmail 19128 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 13:16:15 -0000 +Received: from smtp-5.star.net.uk (212.125.75.74) + by server-11.tower-35.messagelabs.com with SMTP; + 16 Oct 2003 13:16:15 -0000 +Received: (qmail 17160 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 13:16:14 -0000 +Received: from nagmx1.nag.co.uk (HELO nag.co.uk) (62.231.145.242) + by smtp-5.star.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 13:16:14 -0000 +Received: from brackley.nag.co.uk (brackley.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.21]) + by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11349; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:15:57 +0100 (BST) +Received: from nag.co.uk (IDENT:root@trowbridge.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.69]) + by brackley.nag.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h9GDFSY48941; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:15:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from miked@nag.co.uk) +Received: (from miked@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24000; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:14:55 +0100 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:14:54 +0100 +From: Mike Dewar +To: Joris van der Hoeven +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +Message-ID: <20031016141454.E21927@nag.co.uk> +References: <200310161123.h9GBNVn30398@localhost.localdomain> + +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i +In-Reply-To: ; + from vdhoeven@texmacs.org on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 02:51:36PM +0200 +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org, grozin@texamcs.org, root +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:16:54 -0000 + +On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 02:51:36PM +0200, Joris van der Hoeven wrote: + +> OK, so without any cooperation from NAG, we should probably +> drop the old tm_axiom, except if Andrey Grozin finds a way to +> keep it working. +As I've said several time already the NAG version of Axiom behaves +exactly the same way as the new version as far as I can see. The only +difference is if you invoke it via the `sman' program rather than +directly, in which case you see two prompts, one for each frame started. +This would apply equally to both versions, unless sman is changed. + +So I don't think its a question of supporting the NAG and Open versions, +its a case of whether you want to be able to use the TeXmacs interface +and sman at the same time. I believe that our "AXIOMsys" script +provides the same functionality as your "axiom" program. + +I find it frustrating to be accused of not cooperating - we have made +every scrap of source code available that we could. Some of the +remainder we can still use ourselves but not distribute in source form. +However there is other material that we can no longer use ourselves +either, so while the idea of carrying on some kind of voluntary support +network for existing sites is nice it is completely impractical. + +Mike. + + +________________________________________________________________________ +This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The +service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive +anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: +http://www.star.net.uk +________________________________________________________________________ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 09:35:38 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8Hy-0000yu-9M + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:35:38 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8Hv-0000y4-Pq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:35:35 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8HP-0000qE-D9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:35:34 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA8HP-0000q5-3n + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:35:03 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AA8Gj-0008Th-00; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:34:21 -0400 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom +References: + <200310161042.h9GAgTD30292@localhost.localdomain> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 16 Oct 2003 09:34:21 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310161042.h9GAgTD30292@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: <54r81dwbky.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 49 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, + vdhoeven@texmacs.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:35:36 -0000 + +Greetings! + +root writes: + +> Joris, +> +> Re: rpms +> +> An rpm is coming. Documentation is my highest priority (Bill Page +> did an Axiom tutorial using TeXmacs. Your feedback is welcome). +> My schedule is more shortest-job-first so minor changes happen +> in a reasonable amount of time. I'm unskilled in making rpms +> so I have to try making a few first anyway. +> + +BTW, to the extent the Debian packaging is accepted, an rpm can be +made from it with the program 'alien'. + +> Re: "last really stable version of gcc" +> +> Yeah, I understand. I'm in a struggle to compile Magnus which is a +> huge C++ program that died of code-rot because some damn fool +> decided to change the C++ language "standard". But my attitude is +> that you have to keep up with the changes so I really have no choice +> but to buy a new C++ book, get educated, and rewrite the code. Pain, +> pain, endless pain. +> + +Of course, we might get one of the energetic maxima lisp hackers to +write a c++2cl a la f2cl which they used to compile parts of slatec +into lisp maxima -- anyone for a lisp Magnus project? :-). I fully +realize this suggestion is just short of ridiculous -- for humor value +only! + +> Tim +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 09:36:39 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8Iw-0001Cw-PJ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:36:38 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8Iu-0001Bk-DG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:36:36 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8IP-00015K-V9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:36:34 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8Dc-0008Vc-RQ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:31:08 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AA8Aa-0008TL-00; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:28:00 -0400 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <200310161043.h9GAhN630296@localhost.localdomain> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 16 Oct 2003 09:28:00 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310161043.h9GAhN630296@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: <54vfqpwbvj.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 24 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: static lisp and rpms +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:36:37 -0000 + +Greetings! + +Latest 2.6.1 and CVS HEAD has a --enable-static configure option. +There may be some issues when using readline in this mode, but I +haven't yet had a chance to plumb the bottom of that. + +Take care, + +root writes: + +> Camm, +> +> do you have any advice on building a static lisp? +> I'm going to try David's suggestion (CC="gcc -static"). +> +> Tim +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 10:12:46 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8rt-0002Gp-TW + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:12:45 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8rq-0002Fl-3q + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:12:42 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA8rH-00022e-TA + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:12:40 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.52.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA8pm-0001W1-H3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:10:34 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GEAB0s009644 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:10:12 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id C74B4C017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:10:11 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id C467858D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:10:11 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:10:11 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: Mike Dewar +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +In-Reply-To: <20031016141454.E21927@nag.co.uk> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, grozin@texmacs.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, + axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, root , + Joris van der Hoeven +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:12:43 -0000 + + +> > OK, so without any cooperation from NAG, we should probably +> > drop the old tm_axiom, except if Andrey Grozin finds a way to +> > keep it working. +> As I've said several time already the NAG version of Axiom behaves +> exactly the same way as the new version as far as I can see. The only +> difference is if you invoke it via the `sman' program rather than +> directly, in which case you see two prompts, one for each frame started. +> This would apply equally to both versions, unless sman is changed. +> +> So I don't think its a question of supporting the NAG and Open versions, +> its a case of whether you want to be able to use the TeXmacs interface +> and sman at the same time. I believe that our "AXIOMsys" script +> provides the same functionality as your "axiom" program. +> +> I find it frustrating to be accused of not cooperating - we have made +> every scrap of source code available that we could. Some of the +> remainder we can still use ourselves but not distribute in source form. +> However there is other material that we can no longer use ourselves +> either, so while the idea of carrying on some kind of voluntary support +> network for existing sites is nice it is completely impractical. + +I am sorry for having accused NAG; I just find it frustrating to +have two tm_axioms for two versions of axiom and nobody able to +produce a tm_axiom which works for both (for whatever reasons). +In the current situation, I honestly do not know what +I am supposed to do. + +So I wait for a patch from anyone who is interested in keeping +the old interface alive. Probably one should modify line 266 of +the tm_axiom.c we currently distribute, together with the patches +by David & Bill. If I do not have any patch which works with both +versions within one month from now, then I will exclusively support +the free version of axiom, since this seems to be the only version +which is under active development. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 10:26:40 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA94l-0005bs-J2 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:26:03 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA90f-0004gi-Fn + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:21:49 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA909-0004ZS-8D + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:21:48 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA908-0004Z3-Qm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:21:16 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9GEKjv23744; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:20:45 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9GDgFl07147; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:42:15 -0400 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:42:15 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310161342.h9GDgFl07147@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: vdhoeven@texmacs.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:25:55 -0000 + +Joris, + +I'd rather you continue the support of NAG's version. +If someone installs the free version then the spiffy +new "configure" script can replace the tm_axiom file. + +Joris and Bill, + +Since I haven't been involved in the texmacs/axiom work +I need some help setting up the correct configure script. +Where can I find "the entire axiom plugin"? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 10:29:14 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA97q-00073w-2u + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:29:14 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA97n-00073K-TH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:29:11 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA97H-0006u2-JM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:29:10 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA8zo-0004UA-Jh + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:20:57 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9GEKfdW076797; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:20:41 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9GEKdar076612; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:20:39 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:21:05 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D57@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Mike Dewar'" , Joris van der Hoeven + +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:21:05 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom@tenkan.org, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org, grozin@texamcs.org, root +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:29:12 -0000 + +Mike, + +I expect that no one really intended to imply that NAG +was "not co-operating". As you say, this is very far from +the truth. I think it was a wonderful and bold decision +to make Axiom open source. And I am sure it will be to +everyone's advantage that you, personally, and NAG also +continues to work together with everyone in the open +source Axiom project. Thank you again. + +About tm_axiom. What we need to do is just standardize +the *name* of the Axiom interpret sans sman etc. I +propose that starting with the next update to the alpha +version of open source Axiom, we use AXIOMsys as you +suggested, in order to be compatible with the NAG version +of Axiom. (Case insensitive platforms like Windows will +treat this as AXIOMSYS. That should be ok). + +Then we will change the new version of tm_axiom so that +it start AXIOMsys. And it should work for both. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Mike Dewar [mailto:miked@nag.co.uk] +> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:15 AM +> To: Joris van der Hoeven +> Cc: root; camm@enhanced.com; bill.page1@sympatico.ca; +> axiom@tenkan.org; +> axiom-developer@nongnu.org; grozin@texamcs.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +> +> +> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 02:51:36PM +0200, Joris van der Hoeven +> wrote: +> +> > OK, so without any cooperation from NAG, we should probably +> > drop the old tm_axiom, except if Andrey Grozin finds a way to +> > keep it working. +> As I've said several time already the NAG version of Axiom +> behaves exactly the same way as the new version as far as I can +> see. The only difference is if you invoke it via the `sman' +> program rather than directly, in which case you see two prompts, +> one for each frame started. This would apply equally to both +> versions, unless sman is changed. +> +> So I don't think its a question of supporting the NAG and +> Open versions, its a case of whether you want to be able to use +> the TeXmacs interface and sman at the same time. I believe +> that our "AXIOMsys" script provides the same functionality + as your "axiom" program. +> +> I find it frustrating to be accused of not cooperating - we have +> made every scrap of source code available that we could. Some +> of the remainder we can still use ourselves but not distribute +> in source form. However there is other material that we can no +> longer use ourselves either, so while the idea of carrying on +> some kind of voluntary support network for existing sites is +> nice it is completely impractical. +> +> Mike. +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 10:32:03 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9AO-0000XH-Kc + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:31:52 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9A6-0000Pi-Sw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:31:34 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA991-000833-9V + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:30:58 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.52.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA98s-0007wZ-TU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:30:19 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GEUH0s010023 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:30:17 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id 31E3BC017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:30:17 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id 28E6758D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:30:17 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:30:17 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: Tim Daly +In-Reply-To: <200310161342.h9GDgFl07147@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, grozin@texmacs.org, + bill.page1@sympatico.ca, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:31:51 -0000 + + +> I'd rather you continue the support of NAG's version. +> If someone installs the free version then the spiffy +> new "configure" script can replace the tm_axiom file. + +That could be a solution, although I find it a bit dirty, +since it requires overiding the existing plugin. +Another solution might be to give both plugins a different name. +We could rename the old axiom as "NAG Axiom". + +> Since I haven't been involved in the texmacs/axiom work +> I need some help setting up the correct configure script. +> Where can I find "the entire axiom plugin"? + +In $TEXMACS_PATH/plugins/axiom + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 10:49:03 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9R1-0006gV-9k + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:49:03 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9Qy-0006ek-4v + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:49:00 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9QR-0006Xu-HH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:48:58 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA9QR-0006Xr-3p + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:48:27 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9GEmOOF020188; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:48:24 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9GEmMar019986; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:48:22 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:48:48 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D58@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Tim Daly'" +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:48:47 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:49:01 -0000 + +Tim, + +On Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:42 AM you wrote: +> ... +> Since I haven't been involved in the texmacs/axiom work +> I need some help setting up the correct configure script. +> Where can I find "the entire axiom plugin"? +> + +I should probably wait for Joris to answer in detail, but +here is what I know... + +In TeXmacs version 1.0.2, after installation the axiom +plug-in seems to be in two parts. + + /usr/share/TeXmacs/plugins/axiom + - constains two sub-directories, packages and progs + - packages contains a sub-directory session which + in turn, constains the axiom stylesheet axiom.ts + - progs contains some scheme initialization scripts + - no need to change either of these (yet) for the new + version of tm_axiom, maybe in a future version + + /usr/libexec/TeXmacs/bin + - constains the executable filter files including + tm_axiom + - right now all I do is replace the tm_axiom program + found here with the new one compiled from the tm_axiom.c + source on Savannah. + +On Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:30 AM Joris wrote: + +> ... +> > Where can I find "the entire axiom plugin"? +> +> In $TEXMACS_PATH/plugins/axiom + +On my RedHat 8.0 linux system the version of TeXmacs installed +from the 1.0.2 RPM does not have any associated environment +variable called TEXMACS_PATH. Are you referring to the source +distribution, Joris? + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 10:54:54 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9Wg-0008SS-N8 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:54:54 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9We-0008RE-4u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:54:52 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9W1-0008DC-FW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:54:44 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA9VZ-00084J-J5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:53:45 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9GEouv23770; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:50:56 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9GECWd08765; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:12:32 -0400 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:12:32 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310161412.h9GECWd08765@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: vdhoeven@texmacs.org +In-reply-to: (message from + Joris van der Hoeven on Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:30:17 +0200 (CEST)) +References: +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, grozin@texmacs.org, + bill.page1@sympatico.ca, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:54:53 -0000 + +Joris, + +I agree that renaming the old version to "NAG Axiom" is probably +cleaner (unless we figure out a way to unify them). + +I have a bunch of future "requirements" for texmacs (like fully +supporting the literate programming style) which I need to discuss +with you. I have a paragraph or two from another private discussion +which I'll send to you. It hints at where I'd like to see Axiom's +front end systems go. They're on my home machine so I'll send them +later tonight. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 11:06:04 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9cE-0001pn-DU + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:00:38 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9bs-0001nF-I6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:00:16 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9bI-0001iH-O0 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:00:11 -0400 +Received: from [62.231.131.195] (helo=mail35.messagelabs.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA9bF-0001hg-3p + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:59:37 -0400 +X-VirusChecked: Checked +X-Env-Sender: miked@nag.co.uk +X-Msg-Ref: server-20.tower-35.messagelabs.com!1066316374!918438 +X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=nag.co.uk,-,- +Received: (qmail 22250 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 14:59:34 -0000 +Received: from smtp-3.star.net.uk (212.125.75.72) + by server-20.tower-35.messagelabs.com with SMTP; + 16 Oct 2003 14:59:34 -0000 +Received: (qmail 20943 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 14:59:33 -0000 +Received: from nagmx1.nag.co.uk (HELO nag.co.uk) (62.231.145.242) + by smtp-3.star.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 14:59:33 -0000 +Received: from brackley.nag.co.uk (brackley.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.21]) + by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13717; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:59:27 +0100 (BST) +Received: from nag.co.uk (IDENT:root@trowbridge.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.69]) + by brackley.nag.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h9GExSY49320; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:59:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from miked@nag.co.uk) +Received: (from miked@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24868; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:59:01 +0100 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:59:01 +0100 +From: Mike Dewar +To: Joris van der Hoeven +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +Message-ID: <20031016155901.H21927@nag.co.uk> +References: <20031016141454.E21927@nag.co.uk> + +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i +In-Reply-To: ; + from vdhoeven@texmacs.org on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:10:11PM +0200 +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, grozin@texmacs.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, + axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, root +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:00:34 -0000 + +Joris, + +I think that you're missing the point. Its not a case of having two +tm_axioms for two versions of axiom, its a case of having two tm_axioms +for two different ways of invoking *the same* axiom. It just happens +that the open version of axiom is still incomplete and doesn't yet +exhibit both forms of behaviour. + +I don't quite understand what the problem is in any case. You can +always turn prompts off completely (")set message prompt none") if you +like (in axiom.input or mysyns.input depending on whether its a +system-wide change or not). + +If you really need exactly one prompt, then you can add the following to +the axiom.input/mysyns.input file, which will suppress the initial +prompt when Axiom is started by sman (i.e. when the $SpadServer variable +is set). + +)lisp (DEFUN MKPROMPT NIL (COND ((and |$SpadServer| (|BOOT-EQUAL| |$interpreterFrameName| '|initial|)) (MAKESTRING "")) ((|BOOT-EQUAL| |$inputPromptType| '|none|) (MAKESTRING "")) ((|BOOT-EQUAL| |$inputPromptType| '|plain|) (MAKESTRING "-> ")) ((|BOOT-EQUAL| |$inputPromptType| '|step|) (STRCONC (MAKESTRING "(") (STRINGIMAGE |$IOindex|) (MAKESTRING ") -> "))) ((|BOOT-EQUAL| |$inputPromptType| '|frame|) (STRCONC (STRINGIMAGE |$interpreterFrameName|) (MAKESTRING " (") (STRINGIMAGE |$IOindex|) (MAKESTRING ") -> "))) ('T (STRCONC (STRINGIMAGE |$interpreterFrameName|) (MAKESTRING " [") (SUBSTRING (CURRENTTIME) 8 NIL) (MAKESTRING "] [") (STRINGIMAGE |$IOindex|) (MAKESTRING "] -> ")))) ) + +Its a bit ugly since it all has to be on one line but should work ... + +Mike. + + +On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:10:11PM +0200, Joris van der Hoeven wrote: +> +> > > OK, so without any cooperation from NAG, we should probably +> > > drop the old tm_axiom, except if Andrey Grozin finds a way to +> > > keep it working. +> > As I've said several time already the NAG version of Axiom behaves +> > exactly the same way as the new version as far as I can see. The only +> > difference is if you invoke it via the `sman' program rather than +> > directly, in which case you see two prompts, one for each frame started. +> > This would apply equally to both versions, unless sman is changed. +> > +> > So I don't think its a question of supporting the NAG and Open versions, +> > its a case of whether you want to be able to use the TeXmacs interface +> > and sman at the same time. I believe that our "AXIOMsys" script +> > provides the same functionality as your "axiom" program. +> > +> > I find it frustrating to be accused of not cooperating - we have made +> > every scrap of source code available that we could. Some of the +> > remainder we can still use ourselves but not distribute in source form. +> > However there is other material that we can no longer use ourselves +> > either, so while the idea of carrying on some kind of voluntary support +> > network for existing sites is nice it is completely impractical. +> +> I am sorry for having accused NAG; I just find it frustrating to +> have two tm_axioms for two versions of axiom and nobody able to +> produce a tm_axiom which works for both (for whatever reasons). +> In the current situation, I honestly do not know what +> I am supposed to do. +> +> So I wait for a patch from anyone who is interested in keeping +> the old interface alive. Probably one should modify line 266 of +> the tm_axiom.c we currently distribute, together with the patches +> by David & Bill. If I do not have any patch which works with both +> versions within one month from now, then I will exclusively support +> the free version of axiom, since this seems to be the only version +> which is under active development. +> +> +> ________________________________________________________________________ +> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The +> service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive +> anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: +> http://www.star.net.uk +> ________________________________________________________________________ + +________________________________________________________________________ +This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The +service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive +anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: +http://www.star.net.uk +________________________________________________________________________ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 11:09:35 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9kh-0004V9-CW + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:09:23 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9kO-0004Ge-J5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:09:04 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9dR-00022k-9g + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:02:25 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.50.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA9dQ-00022Z-Q4 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:01:52 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GF1p0s010783 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:01:51 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id 9C285C017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:01:51 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id 995B558D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:01:51 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:01:51 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: "Bill. Page1 (E-mail)" +In-Reply-To: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D58@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, vdhoeven@texmacs.org, + 'Tim Daly' +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:09:21 -0000 + + +> > > Where can I find "the entire axiom plugin"? +> > +> > In $TEXMACS_PATH/plugins/axiom +> +> On my RedHat 8.0 linux system the version of TeXmacs installed +> from the 1.0.2 RPM does not have any associated environment +> variable called TEXMACS_PATH. Are you referring to the source +> distribution, Joris? + +I refer to the static binary tarball. If you use an rpm, +then the binaries get split from the data, as you explained very well. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 11:13:45 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9ov-0005Gj-Iw + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:13:45 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9ot-0005G3-8J + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:13:43 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9oK-00057z-N1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:13:39 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.50.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA9oK-00057f-6r + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:13:08 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GFD40s011283 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:13:05 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id C011CC017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:13:04 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id A7EE558D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:13:04 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:13:04 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: Tim Daly +In-Reply-To: <200310161426.h9GEQi809645@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, grozin@texmacs.org, A.G.Grozin@inp.nsk.su, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org, vdhoeven@texmacs.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:13:44 -0000 + + +> Yes, it is old-fashioned. There have been discussions about changing it +> and I believe several people on the list have investigated it. Dylan +> has looked at it deeply enough to understand where to patch simple +> things. There is also work by Bill to look at the line-breaking algorithm +> as well as discussion about embedding line-breaking into Axiom's tex code. + +I have looked a bit at Bill's intro too. It seems that the LaTeX +generation has lots of problems. For instance, it even attempts to +line break formulas at the interior of big parenthesis... +The TeXamcs-specific \* for multiplication is also missing. +You should try to make the LaTeX generation as easy as possible and +let TeXmacs do the formatting and line-breaking. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 11:18:39 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9tf-0005z5-Gi + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:18:39 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9tc-0005ys-OW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:18:36 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9t6-0005vd-Im + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:18:35 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.50.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA9t5-0005uQ-Be + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GFHv0s011344 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:57 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id 6649AC017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:57 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id 5CE3358D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:57 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:57 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: "Andrey G. Grozin" +In-Reply-To: +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, grozin@texmacs.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, + Tim Daly , axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + Joris van der Hoeven +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:18:37 -0000 + + +> My idea about supporting both free and old NAG Axiom in TeXmacs is very +> simple (though not very clean, probably). Let's change the (new) +> tm_axiom.c slightly, in such a way that it can accept a command-line +> argument. If there is no argument (argc==1), let it expect one prompt at +> the beginning, thus nicely interacting with the free version. If there is +> an argument (argc>1), let it expect two prompts. Then those who want to +> use the old NAG axiom can change the command-line to, e.g., +> tm_axiom nag in the plugin. + +That is OK with me too. + +> It would be good (and not only here) to allow user to supply command-line +> arguments when starting a session. + +You may now configure variant sessions, as I explained you. +This should be sufficient for a while. + +Is there a way to detect automatically with which version of axiom +we are dealing? Can we use both at the same time? + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 11:24:42 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9q2-0005ZI-Ue + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:14:54 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9pt-0005XJ-Md + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:14:45 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9pL-0005OZ-Tm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:14:44 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA9pL-0005OM-7t + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:14:11 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9GF5Dv23788; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:05:14 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9GEQi809645; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:26:44 -0400 +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:26:44 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310161426.h9GEQi809645@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: A.G.Grozin@inp.nsk.su +In-reply-to: + (A.G.Grozin@inp.nsk.su) +References: +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, grozin@texmacs.org, + bill.page1@sympatico.ca, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:14:46 -0000 + +> My idea about supporting both free and old NAG Axiom in TeXmacs is very +> simple (though not very clean, probably). Let's change the (new) +...[snip]... + +I like the suggestion. + +> One additional thought about the new tm_axiom. Currently, TeX-generation +> in Axiom produces horribly old-fashioned TeX, not modern LaTeX. It +> produces such monsters as +> {\root 3 \of x} +> TeXmacs does not understand this (rightfully, I think). The new tm_axiom +> tries to work around such issues. It would be much better to improve TeX +> generation in the free Axiom. Or to leave TeX generation as it stands, +> copy it into LaTeX generation, and improve it. + +Yes, it is old-fashioned. There have been discussions about changing it +and I believe several people on the list have investigated it. Dylan +has looked at it deeply enough to understand where to patch simple +things. There is also work by Bill to look at the line-breaking algorithm +as well as discussion about embedding line-breaking into Axiom's tex code. + +> This should be not too +> difficult. + +An old irish fellow once said: There is no such thing as a simple job. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 11:29:49 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9lO-0004tE-4V + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:10:06 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9kf-0004Sx-Ky + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:09:21 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AA9jz-000444-Av + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:09:10 -0400 +Received: from [129.175.50.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AA9jx-00042i-QD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:08:37 -0400 +Received: from anh.math.u-psud.fr (sunanh.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.1]) + by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id + h9GF8R0s011166 ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:08:27 +0200 (MEST) +Received: by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix, from userid 8116) + id F12E9C017; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:08:26 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by anh.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id EA52858D6; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:08:26 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:08:26 +0200 (CEST) +From: Joris van der Hoeven +X-X-Sender: +To: Mike Dewar +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: tm_axiom +In-Reply-To: <20031016155901.H21927@nag.co.uk> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, grozin@texmacs.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, + axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, root , + Joris van der Hoeven +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:10:04 -0000 + + +Andrey: could you please try to patch your tm_axiom.c program +in order to make it compatible with everybody? I think that this +should be most easy for you, using what Mike, David and Bill have +been saying... Notice that you can find a binary tarball at + + http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=axiom + +for the free version of Axiom. Just download + + axiom-debian-3.0-linux-i386-cvs-2003-09-28.tar.gz + +and set the AXIOM and PATH environement variables as needed. + +If supporting both versions of axiom in a single plugin turns out +to be too difficult, I can also rename axiom -> nag-axiom for +NAG's version of Axiom. + +> I think that you're missing the point. Its not a case of having two +> tm_axioms for two versions of axiom, its a case of having two tm_axioms +> for two different ways of invoking *the same* axiom. It just happens +> that the open version of axiom is still incomplete and doesn't yet +> exhibit both forms of behaviour. +> +> I don't quite understand what the problem is in any case. You can +> always turn prompts off completely (")set message prompt none") if you +> like (in axiom.input or mysyns.input depending on whether its a +> system-wide change or not). +> +> If you really need exactly one prompt, then you can add the following to +> the axiom.input/mysyns.input file, which will suppress the initial +> prompt when Axiom is started by sman (i.e. when the $SpadServer variable +> is set). +> +> )lisp (DEFUN MKPROMPT NIL (COND ((and |$SpadServer| (|BOOT-EQUAL| |$interpreterFrameName| '|initial|)) (MAKESTRING "")) ((|BOOT-EQUAL| |$inputPromptType| '|none|) (MAKESTRING "")) ((|BOOT-EQUAL| |$inputPromptType| '|plain|) (MAKESTRING "-> ")) ((|BOOT-EQUAL| |$inputPromptType| '|step|) (STRCONC (MAKESTRING "(") (STRINGIMAGE |$IOindex|) (MAKESTRING ") -> "))) ((|BOOT-EQUAL| |$inputPromptType| '|frame|) (STRCONC (STRINGIMAGE |$interpreterFrameName|) (MAKESTRING " (") (STRINGIMAGE |$IOindex|) (MAKESTRING ") -> "))) ('T (STRCONC (STRINGIMAGE |$interpreterFrameName|) (MAKESTRING " [") (SUBSTRING (CURRENTTIME) 8 NIL) (MAKESTRING "] [") (STRINGIMAGE |$IOindex|) (MAKESTRING "] -> ")))) ) +> +> Its a bit ugly since it all has to be on one line but should work ... + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 11:30:05 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AAA4i-0008HC-Pb + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:30:04 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AAA4a-0008Fq-1P + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:29:56 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AAA43-00082x-Ei + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:29:54 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AAA42-00082c-TB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:29:22 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9GFTElX087579; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:29:14 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9GFTDar087512; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:29:13 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:29:39 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D59@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" , Tim Daly + +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:29:38 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, grozin@texmacs.org, + A.G.Grozin@inp.nsk.su +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:29:57 -0000 + +Joris, + +On Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:13 AM you wrote: +> +> > Yes, it is old-fashioned. There have been discussions about +> > changing it and I believe several people on the list have +> > investigated it. Dylan has looked at it deeply enough to +> > understand where to patch simple things. There is also work +> > by Bill to look at the line-breaking algorithm as well as +> > discussion about embedding line-breaking into Axiom's tex +> > code. +> +> I have looked a bit at Bill's intro too. It seems that the +> LaTeX generation has lots of problems. For instance, it even +> attempts to line break formulas at the interior of big +> parenthesis... + +You are talking about the LaTeX generation of the line-break +routines that I inserted into the new version of tm_axiom, +right? If so, you are right that this line-break code has +only been properly tested on a subset of TeX/LaTeX output +produced by Axiom, enven though the "C" code is actually +quite old. As I understand from Tim and from the comments +in the code, it was written some years ago by Robert Sutor +(a primary Axiom developer) specifically to produce the +LaTeX output that became part of the Axiom Book. + +> The TeXamcs-specific \* for multiplication is also missing. +> You should try to make the LaTeX generation as easy as +> possible and let TeXmacs do the formatting and line-breaking. +> + +I do not understand how to let TeXmacs do the line-breaking. +Without the line-break code that I inserted into tm_axiom, +TeXmacs seems to do exactly the same thing as LaTeX with the +long math lines - they just run off the page on the left. +Can you tell me how to get TeXmacs to break some long LaTeX +code that is passed through the plugin interface? Or where +should I read about this? + +In general I agree that we should improve the TeX/LaTeX +generated by Axiom, but when I first tried this by submitting +a patch to get right of the \root{n} \of {x} horror, Tim +pointed out to me there are some "legacy" programs that +might be broken by such changes. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 11:34:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AAA90-0001FC-Lq + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:34:30 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AAA8r-0001CT-Fw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:34:21 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AAA8K-0000vv-CI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:34:19 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AAA8J-0000uq-OQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:33:47 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9GFXhKh093183; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:33:43 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9GFXgar093116; + Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:33:42 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:34:08 -0400 +Message-ID: <2BE8D331ED40D611812300080219E7FE339D5A@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" , "Andrey G. Grozin" + +Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:34:08 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, grozin@texmacs.org, + Tim Daly +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: tm_axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:34:28 -0000 + +Joris, and Andrey, + +> > If there is an argument (argc>1), let it expect two +> > prompts. Then those who want to use the old NAG axiom +> > can change the command-line to, e.g., tm_axiom nag in +> > the plugin. +> +> That is OK with me too. + +This is a good idea but no very "user configuration friendly". + +> +> > It would be good (and not only here) to allow user to +> > supply command-line arguments when starting a session. +> + +Yes. + +> You may now configure variant sessions, as I explained you. +> This should be sufficient for a while. +> + +??? + +> Is there a way to detect automatically with which version +> of axiom we are dealing? Can we use both at the same time? +> + +Please understand what Mike Dewar is trying to tell you: + + It is not necessary to detect which version. + +All that is necessary is to just start + + AXIOMsys + +instead of the whole group of three (or more?) processes +that are usually started in the NAG commercial version. +tm_axiom only interfaces with one of these - the Axiom +interpret itself. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 16 17:02:22 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AAFGI-00074A-CA + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:02:22 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AAFGF-00072b-Ad + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:02:19 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AAFFh-0006eV-BK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:02:16 -0400 +Received: from [81.50.179.24] (helo=mail.societylab.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AAFFf-0006Uc-F1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; 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charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] On statically linked Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:56:39 -0000 + +Hello Tim, + +I was trying my trick to build a statically linked Axiom but the +compilation failed at one step. After building a fresh gcl (which is +indeed static), I erased obj/linux/bin/interpsys and +obj/linux/bin/depsys to force their recompilation. Recompilation of +depsys fails with following error message: + +make[3]: Entering directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/src/interp' +3 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/bin/depsys + +> +Loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/makedep.lisp +Loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/sys-pkg.lsp +Finished loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/sys-pkg.lsp +Loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/nocompil.lsp +Finished loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/nocompil.lsp +Loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/util.o + +Error: Undefined symbol +Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging +Error signalled by LOAD. +Broken at LOAD. Type :H for Help. +>>4 /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/bin/depsys created +63 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/macros.o from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/int/interp/macros.lisp +/bin/sh: /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/bin/depsys: No such file or directory +make[3]: *** [/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/macros.o] Error 127 +make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/src/interp' +make[2]: *** [interpdir] Error 2 +make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/src' +make[1]: *** [srcdir] Error 2 +make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom' +make: *** [all] Error 2 + +Do you see what could have gone wrong? + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 19 17:59:08 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABLZs-0006ey-Ik + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:59:08 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABLZq-0006c7-8e + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:59:06 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABLZJ-0006CF-Ag + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:59:05 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABLZJ-0006By-1u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:58:33 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (117.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.117]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9JLwVrQ064948; + Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:58:31 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9JLwFx18382; + Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:58:15 -0400 +Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:58:15 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310192158.h9JLwFx18382@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +In-reply-to: <87d6ctt31r.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (message from David MENTRE on Sun, 19 + Oct 2003 21:56:00 +0200) +References: <87d6ctt31r.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: On statically linked Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:59:06 -0000 + +David, + +You must have tried to build GCL outside of Axiom. +It appears that you didn't link the Axiom library to the lisp image. +This happens as part of the lisp build process when Axiom does the build. + +Axiom untars GCL then applies the patches in the zips directory. +One of the patches modifies the GCL build so that it includes Axiom's code +in the GCL image. If you build GCL by hand you have to make the modifications +by hand. This is one of the hard issues about using any pre-installed lisp. + +To solve the problem modify the top level Makefile.pamphlet to +include the --static flag (or whatever mods you made to get GCL to be +static), then do + +make clean +make + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 20 12:52:24 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABdGZ-0006pQ-4a + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:52:23 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABdGU-0006oU-O2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:52:18 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABdFw-0006VA-Lj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:52:15 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABdFv-0006TL-QA + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:51:43 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-26-84.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.41.84]) + by mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 28CB1500082B; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:51:42 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ABdFh-0003CH-00; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:51:29 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <87d6ctt31r.fsf@wanadoo.fr> + <200310192158.h9JLwFx18382@localhost.localdomain> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:51:29 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310192158.h9JLwFx18382@localhost.localdomain> (daly@idsi.net's + message of "Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:58:15 -0400") +Message-ID: <87d6crc0oe.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: On statically linked Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:52:20 -0000 + +root writes: + +> You must have tried to build GCL outside of Axiom. + +No. I just made a 'make' inside the axiom/ directory. + +> It appears that you didn't link the Axiom library to the lisp image. +> This happens as part of the lisp build process when Axiom does the build. +> +> Axiom untars GCL then applies the patches in the zips directory. + +Yes, this was done. + +> One of the patches modifies the GCL build so that it includes Axiom's code +> in the GCL image. If you build GCL by hand you have to make the modifications +> by hand. This is one of the hard issues about using any pre-installed lisp. + +What I have done: + + 1. applied following patch: + +--- axiom-i386-dm/axiom/lsp/Makefile.pamphlet Mon Sep 29 21:03:10 2003 ++++ axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/lsp/Makefile.pamphlet Sun Oct 19 21:08:18 2003 +@@ -122,7 +122,7 @@ + relocating object files. + <>= + @(cd ${GCLVERSION} ; \ +- ./configure --enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd --enable-readline --enable-maxpage=128*1024 ; \ ++ CC="gcc --static" ./configure --enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd --enable-readline --enable-maxpage=128*1024 ; \ + ${ENV} ${MAKE} ; \ + cp unixport/saved_gcl ${OUT}/lisp ) + @ + + + 2. erased lsp/gcldir and lsp/gcl-2.5.2/ + + 3. erased obj/linux/bin/depsys and obj/linux/bin/interpsys + + 4. make + +(and yes, I have setup the $AXIOM variable) + +> To solve the problem modify the top level Makefile.pamphlet to +> include the --static flag (or whatever mods you made to get GCL to be +> static), then do +> +> make clean + +I wanted to avoid that. Compiling algebra takes 12h on my old machine. + +I retry with a 'make clean'. To be continued.... :) + +Thanks to have taken a look at this issue. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 20 17:16:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABhOL-00049V-JU + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:16:41 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABhOJ-00047c-BK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:16:39 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABhNm-0003xj-9r + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:16:37 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABhNf-0003sI-SF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:16:00 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-26-84.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.41.84]) + by mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id C40D2280016A; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:15:54 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ABhNZ-0004Ns-00; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:15:53 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: On statically linked Axiom +References: <87d6ctt31r.fsf@wanadoo.fr> + <200310192158.h9JLwFx18382@localhost.localdomain> + <87d6crc0oe.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:15:53 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <87d6crc0oe.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (David MENTRE's message of "Mon, 20 + Oct 2003 18:51:29 +0200") +Message-ID: <87y8vfa9va.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:16:40 -0000 + +David MENTRE writes: + +> I retry with a 'make clean'. To be continued.... :) + +I tried again after a make clean and I obtain once again the same error +message: + + +make[3]: Entering directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/src/interp' +5 invoking make in /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/src/interp with parms: +SYS= linux +LSP= /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/lsp +PART= cprogs +SPAD= /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/mnt/linux +SRC= /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/src +INT= /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/int +MID= /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/int/interp +OUT= /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp +OBJ= /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj +MNT= /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/mnt +O=o LISP=lsp BYE=bye + +> +Loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/makeint.lisp +Loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/sys-pkg.lsp +Finished loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/sys-pkg.lsp +Loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/nocompil.lsp +Finished loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/nocompil.lsp +Loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/interp/util.o + +Error: Undefined symbol +Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging +Error signalled by LOAD. +Broken at LOAD. Type :H for Help. +>>6 /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/bin/interpsys created +cp: cannot stat `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/bin/interpsys': No such file or directory +make[3]: *** [/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/obj/linux/bin/interpsys] Error 1 +make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/src/interp' +make[2]: *** [interpdir] Error 2 +make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom/src' +make[1]: *** [srcdir] Error 2 +make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-static-i386-dm/axiom' +make: *** [all] Error 2 + + +I don't know if it is related to the static GCL or a more fundamental +error in axiom build system. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 20 20:58:36 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABkr6-0003TM-4y + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:58:36 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABkr3-0003St-EB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:58:33 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABkqX-0003OI-GK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:58:32 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABkqW-0003Nn-Ui + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:58:00 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (116.118.252.64.snet.net [64.252.118.116]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9L0vxYP011368; + Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:57:59 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9L0vfP20464; + Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:57:41 -0400 +Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:57:41 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310210057.h9L0vfP20464@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +In-reply-to: <87y8vfa9va.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (message from David MENTRE on Mon, 20 + Oct 2003 23:15:53 +0200) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: On statically linked Axiom +References: <87d6ctt31r.fsf@wanadoo.fr> + <200310192158.h9JLwFx18382@localhost.localdomain> + <87d6crc0oe.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <87y8vfa9va.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:58:34 -0000 + +David, + +I'll try a static build here. +The result will take a while as I only have a slow system available. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 20 23:19:17 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABn3E-0008Bt-Qg + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Type :H for Help. +>> + +replacing READ-CHAR by READ succeeds. + +So the problem appears to be the compiled reference to the READ-CHAR +function and has nothing to do with Axiom. This looks like a GCL bug. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 08:29:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABvd0-0007QL-59 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:28:46 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABvcq-0007Mi-Mf + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:28:36 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABvcG-0007D2-4B + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:28:32 -0400 +Received: from [194.25.134.17] (helo=mailout02.sul.t-online.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABvc0-00077c-Ce + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:27:44 -0400 +Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp + id 1ABvYt-0007eN-05; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:24:31 +0200 +Received: from wzocher.dialin.t-online.de + (JT7ZxvZTQeTRO19-2YAFK7tULNgWNT0x44TwYDpdGdh5fw0pIQbDQf@[217.87.134.234]) + by fwd11.sul.t-online.com + with esmtp id 1ABvYb-02fXRQ0; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:24:13 +0200 +Sender: wolzoc@wzocher.dialin.t-online.de +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +From: WZocher@t-online.de (Wolfgang Zocher) +Date: 20 Oct 2003 22:28:38 +0200 +Message-ID: +Lines: 15 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Seen: false +X-ID: JT7ZxvZTQeTRO19-2YAFK7tULNgWNT0x44TwYDpdGdh5fw0pIQbDQf +Subject: [Axiom-developer] pamphlet-noweb-latex +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:28:44 -0000 + +Hi all, + +when I produce tex-files from algebra-pamphlets the \spad - command and +commands like \em, \tt etc. are going to deliver wrong representations in the +resulting latex-file, i.e. \spad {G} is translated to \\spad\{G\}. This is +obviously wrong - the first form (\spad {G}) or {\spad G} is right. + +Inspection of noweb.sty shows that the characters \ and {} have a special +meaning and it seems to me that this must be wrong. However, I'm very new to +literate programming and all the tools belonging to LP. + +Is there anybody out there who can clarify this issue?? + +Thanks and regards +Wolfgang + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 09:52:49 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABwwI-00062d-VC + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:52:46 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABwwD-0005zq-HV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:52:41 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABwvf-0005op-5F + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:52:38 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABwuV-0005Vp-Ko + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:50:55 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9LDTHv01888; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:29:19 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9LCoRr11229; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:50:27 -0400 +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:50:27 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310211250.h9LCoRr11229@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: wzocher@t-online.de, david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] \spad +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:52:45 -0000 + +It's not your fault. There is a problem with the tex tag. +The problem is that Axiom has its own tag definitions which +are not (yet) in the axiom.sty file. I'll look into it. + +David, + +Could you add this as a bug? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 09:55:12 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABwyZ-0007Yh-Bw + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:55:07 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABwyM-0007IF-5f + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:54:54 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABwxk-0006iO-Pz + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:54:47 -0400 +Received: from [194.25.134.82] (helo=mailout05.sul.t-online.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABwxk-0006iL-FF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:54:16 -0400 +Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp + id 1ABwxW-0005fu-03; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:54:02 +0200 +Received: from wzocher.dialin.t-online.de + (bjQCEYZCQebkMZJxYmoNExGQF7gWFlOMHNtChL+YTEZ1FnklWVYZ4s@[62.226.109.63]) + by fwd02.sul.t-online.com + with esmtp id 1ABwxK-1koxzU0; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:53:50 +0200 +Sender: wolzoc@wzocher.dialin.t-online.de +To: Tim Daly +References: <200310211250.h9LCoRr11229@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: WZocher@t-online.de (Wolfgang Zocher) +Date: 21 Oct 2003 15:49:27 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310211250.h9LCoRr11229@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: +Lines: 6 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Seen: false +X-ID: bjQCEYZCQebkMZJxYmoNExGQF7gWFlOMHNtChL+YTEZ1FnklWVYZ4s +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: \spad +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:55:05 -0000 + +Hi Tim, + +I've added the \spad fault as bug. I hope I've done this the right way :-) + +Regards, +Wolfgang + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 11:36:33 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AByYi-0005FR-QU + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:36:32 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AByYg-0005DM-AB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:36:30 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AByY4-0004yM-L0 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:36:23 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.56] (helo=tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AByY4-0004xn-6w + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:35:52 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031021153546.EJP15095.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:35:46 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:35:49 -0400 +Message-ID: <000001c397e9$03b036c0$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: <200310210318.h9L3IN602293@localhost.localdomain> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Unused old versions of GCL in CVS +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:36:31 -0000 + +Tim, + +I recently refreshed my copy of the Axiom CVS and I could +not help but notice (download speed!) that there are four +unused version of GCL in the CVS totaling more than 25 Mb. +Can you see any reason for keeping 2.4.1, 2.4.3 and 2.5? +Also I see that the naming convention for 2.5.3 is different +(.tar.gz). Am I correct that this version is also not used? + +I would offer to clean this up and maybe also move things +to the most recent version of GCL (2.6.1-15) - or do you +already have plans for that? But I am a little unsure about +how to remove things from CVS. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 12:40:00 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABzY8-0000mu-4P + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:40:00 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABzY5-0000jU-0n + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:39:57 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABzXY-0000V8-7k + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:39:56 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABzXX-0000UB-HW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:39:23 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9LGcWv02072; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:38:32 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9LFxfR26806; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:59:41 -0400 +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:59:41 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310211559.h9LFxfR26806@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: "Bill Page" +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] other GCL versions +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:39:57 -0000 + +Bill, + +There are several versions of GCL in the repository because +I do builds on multiple versions when bug testing. Most of +those bugs were related to package issues which should all +be fixed by now. + +There was a bug in the 2.5.3 build that kept me from using that version. + +The current build is on 2.5.2 but will move to 2.6 when I get a +chance. I will remove the other versions tonight. + + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 12:41:00 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABzZ6-0001Xw-Dx + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:41:00 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABzZ2-0001Sv-O3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:40:56 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABzYX-00010H-Ja + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:40:55 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABzYW-0000zm-VS + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:40:25 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9LGdjv02076; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:39:45 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9LG0sp27242; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:00:54 -0400 +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:00:54 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310211600.h9LG0sp27242@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: "Bill Page" +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] other GCL versions +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:40:58 -0000 + +Bill, + +Is 2.6 stable? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 12:51:39 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABzjP-0004lE-5d + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:51:39 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABzjM-0004kd-SK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:51:36 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ABziq-0004cx-4n + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:51:35 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ABzip-0004cm-Bk + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:51:03 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9LGoTv02092; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:50:29 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9LGBcY27278; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:11:38 -0400 +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:11:38 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310211611.h9LGBcY27278@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: "Bill Page" +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] other GCL versions +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:51:37 -0000 + +Bill, + +In answer to your implied question about deleting files from CVS +this appears to work: + +cvs update make sure you have the latest +cd (where) go to the file's directory +rm filename remove the file first +cvs delete filename tell cvs to delete the file +cd (top) go to the top level directory containing CVS +cvs ci -m"removed filename" do a checkin + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 13:43:35 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC0Xf-0002Ov-JS + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:43:35 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC0Xa-0002Nz-KP + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:43:30 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC0X3-0002Dc-NU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:43:28 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.40] (helo=tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AC0X3-00026M-9L + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:42:57 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031021174210.HRZM7001.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:42:10 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] other GCL versions +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:42:12 -0400 +Message-ID: <000101c397fa$ab7b0450$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: <200310211600.h9LG0sp27242@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:43:31 -0000 + +Tim, + +Yes, according to the new GCL version numbering scheme +x.y.z-w is stable if y is an even number. The previous +stable version (I think) was 2.5.4 which was prior to +the introduction of the new numbering scheme. + +The current *unstable* development version of GCL is +2.7.0-11. + +Check for the most recent stuff at + + http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/ + +Note: These are not just debian files. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: +> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org +> [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu +> .org] On Behalf Of Tim Daly +> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:01 PM +> To: Bill Page +> Cc: axiom@tenkan.org; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] other GCL versions +> +> +> Bill, +> +> Is 2.6 stable? +> +> Tim +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-> developer +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 13:46:05 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC0a5-0003UD-C8 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:46:05 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC0a3-0003Qz-3c + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:46:03 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC0ZW-00032E-37 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:46:02 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.185] (helo=tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AC0ZV-00030k-8T + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:45:29 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031021173824.FDVK4309.tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:38:24 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] other GCL versions +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:37:56 -0400 +Message-ID: <000001c397fa$254bab00$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: <200310211600.h9LG0sp27242@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:46:04 -0000 + +Tim, + +Yes, according to the new GCL version numbering scheme +x.y.z-w is stable if y is an even number. The previous +stable version (I think) was 2.5.4 which was prior to +the introduction of the new numbering scheme. + +The current *unstable* development version of GCL is +2.7.0-11. + +Check for the most recent stuff at + + http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/ + +Note: These are not just debian files. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: +> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org +> [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu +> .org] On Behalf Of Tim Daly +> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:01 PM +> To: Bill Page +> Cc: axiom@tenkan.org; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] other GCL versions +> +> +> Bill, +> +> Is 2.6 stable? +> +> Tim +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-> developer +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 14:23:03 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC19r-0003eY-1n + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:23:03 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC19o-0003dg-0X + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:23:00 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC19E-0003Xj-24 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:22:55 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.35] (helo=tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AC19D-0003XU-6l + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:22:23 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031021182216.USEW29684.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:22:16 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:22:17 -0400 +Message-ID: <000601c39800$45669ac0$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: <54vfqpwbvj.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: 'Camm Maguire' , axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: On statically linked Axiom (was: static lisp + and rpms) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:23:00 -0000 + +Tim, David, + +You might recall that on Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:28 AM +Camm Maquire wrote: + +> +> Latest 2.6.1 and CVS HEAD has a --enable-static configure +> option. There may be some issues when using readline in this +> mode, but I haven't yet had a chance to plumb the bottom of +> that. +> + +On Monday, October 20, 2003 11:45 PM Tim wrote: + +> +> The statically linked GCL image has a problem: +> +> make file foo.lisp: +> +> (defun test (st) (read-char st)) +> +> at lisp prompt: +> +> >(compile-file "foo.lisp") +> >(load "foo.o") +> + +I tried this under Windows with GCL 2.6.1 which is statically +linked without readline by default (I think?). It worked fine. + +So it seems that moving to 2.6.1, building with the new +.\configure --enable-static option and eliminating readline +might correct your static linking problem. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 14:29:40 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC1GF-0005Ka-Qq + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:29:39 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC1GD-0005Je-PD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:29:37 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC1Fc-0005EL-8t + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:29:32 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AC1Fb-0005EC-TM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:28:59 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9LIShv02165; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:28:43 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9LHnpR02684; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:49:51 -0400 +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:49:51 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310211749.h9LHnpR02684@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] GCL 2.6.1 and static +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:29:38 -0000 + +Bill, + +I just downloaded the sources for GCL-2.6.1. I'll do two builds +tonight, one for Axiom and if that succeeds, one to try the static build. +If either (or both) succeed I'll upload a new version based on GCL-2.6.1 +and trash the other GCLs. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 21 14:30:20 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC1Gs-0005XC-W1 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:30:18 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC1Gn-0005Vv-SF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:30:13 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AC1GD-0005Jv-J5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:30:08 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AC1G9-0005Ik-71 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:29:33 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-20-136.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.51.124.136]) by mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 50EED3000487; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:29:31 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AC1G1-0000PR-00; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:29:25 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: On statically linked Axiom +References: <87d6ctt31r.fsf@wanadoo.fr> + <200310192158.h9JLwFx18382@localhost.localdomain> + <87d6crc0oe.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <87y8vfa9va.fsf@wanadoo.fr> + <200310210318.h9L3IN602293@localhost.localdomain> + <200310210345.h9L3jSW02480@localhost.localdomain> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:29:24 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310210345.h9L3jSW02480@localhost.localdomain> (daly@idsi.net's + message of "Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:45:28 -0400") +Message-ID: <87llrev3zv.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:30:16 -0000 + +root writes: + +> So the problem appears to be the compiled reference to the READ-CHAR +> function and has nothing to do with Axiom. This looks like a GCL bug. + +Ok. I suppose this was done on gcl 2.5.2 included with Axiom CVS and +which is now an old version of gcl. + +As Camm already told use that stable gcl 2.6.x has support for static +binary (./configure --static), I propose to postpone support of +statically linked Axiom until one of use integrates gcl 2.6.x into +Axiom. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 22 03:12:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACDAh-0002rq-2O + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:12:43 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACDAe-0002qi-Ic + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:12:40 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACDA7-0002ka-8t + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:12:39 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.103] (helo=tomts29-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACDA6-0002kT-Ut + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:12:07 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031021173824.FDVK4309.tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:38:24 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] other GCL versions +Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:37:56 -0400 +Message-ID: <000001c397fa$254bab00$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: <200310211600.h9LG0sp27242@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:12:41 -0000 + +Tim, + +Yes, according to the new GCL version numbering scheme +x.y.z-w is stable if y is an even number. The previous +stable version (I think) was 2.5.4 which was prior to +the introduction of the new numbering scheme. + +The current *unstable* development version of GCL is +2.7.0-11. + +Check for the most recent stuff at + + http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/ + +Note: These are not just debian files. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: +> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org +> [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu +> .org] On Behalf Of Tim Daly +> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:01 PM +> To: Bill Page +> Cc: axiom@tenkan.org; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] other GCL versions +> +> +> Bill, +> +> Is 2.6 stable? +> +> Tim +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-> developer +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 22 09:39:05 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACJCb-0007tN-Ce + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:39:05 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACJCY-0007sO-0H + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:39:02 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACJC0-0007nf-5Z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:39:00 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACJ96-00079T-EX + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:35:28 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9MDZCv03029 + for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:35:12 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9MCuGk28962; + Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:56:16 -0400 +Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:56:16 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310221256.h9MCuGk28962@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] porting +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:39:03 -0000 + +*, + +HP offers a site to try out various versions of Linux. +http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/os/linux + +Does anyone have access to this site? +Is is possible to run the Axiom build on each system +and save the console output? + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 22 10:22:35 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACJsK-0001PN-JF + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:22:12 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACJsE-0001LB-AW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:22:06 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACJrb-000104-Dm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:21:58 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACJmt-0007cB-Co + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:16:35 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id CE9E618923; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:16:24 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:16:24 -0400 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] porting +Message-ID: <20031022141624.GA19523@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <200310221256.h9MCuGk28962@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <200310221256.h9MCuGk28962@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:22:09 -0000 + + +--+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:56:16AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote: +> +> Does anyone have access to this site? +> Is is possible to run the Axiom build on each system +> and save the console output? + +You can sign up yourself, at +http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/accounts/register.shtml +or is this a request for someone else to do it? + +I believe that the Debian packages have already been built on all the +architectures they offer, however. + +(By the way, are you aware just how much console output the Axiom build +produces? It's really ludicrous.) + +Peace, + Dylan + +--+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/lpE4Veybfhaa3tcRAiVoAJ9H4wO+QGNi6YxlRwLwF7A95S+7bACggjUn +bluJH3gtsQbdRcOhtNkaUiM= +=ZkaO +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 22 10:38:33 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACK86-0006sE-VO + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:38:30 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACK83-0006qh-SQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:38:27 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACK7W-0006cF-U3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:38:26 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACK7W-0006Zo-I2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:37:54 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9MEbVv03086 + for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:37:32 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9MDwaX02539; + Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:58:36 -0400 +Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:58:36 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310221358.h9MDwaX02539@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] porting +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:38:29 -0000 + +Dylan, + +I did sign up for the HP site, actually. I've been trying to +port to some of these platforms locally but I lack the experience +with their "mindset" or can't reach their distribution sites +(e.g. debian and SuSE) because my systems are standalone. + +Yeah, the console output could probably be redirected (and I do +redirect the pamphlet build output by default) or reduced. But +it contains just enough output to debug a failed build. Fortunately +I no longer work on my teletype :-). I suppose I could figure out +how to set a "user" flag to suppress output. I'll put it on the +todo list. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 07:41:26 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACdqI-0006kl-OR + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:41:26 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACdqG-0006kd-Oq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:41:24 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACdpj-0006dV-7i + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:41:22 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACdpi-0006dP-TH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:50 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (212.114.252.64.snet.net [64.252.114.212]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9NBenIN042450 + for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:49 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NBeTX15463; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:29 -0400 +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:29 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310231140.h9NBeTX15463@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] gcl-2.6.1 +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:41:25 -0000 + +*, + +Axiom is now based on gcl-2.6.1 +The cvs has been updated. +I've removed gcl-2.* compressed tar files (except for gcl-2.5.2). +I'll remove 2.5.2 once 2.6.1 has been shown stable. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 12:18:17 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACiAB-0004kU-MK + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:18:15 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACiA2-0004h0-UM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:18:06 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACi9U-0004QG-MH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:18:03 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACi4M-0002uD-GP + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:12:14 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9NGBav04041; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:11:36 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9NFWY828373; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:32:34 -0400 +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:32:34 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310231532.h9NFWY828373@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: TestDrive@hp.com +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom build +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:18:11 -0000 + +Tim, + +I've successfully transferred the source files. Thanks. + +I'm using TestDrive servers to ensure that Axiom runs on HP +hardware/software combinations. The Axiom build makes heavy +use of the C compiler. I can nice the process to 19 but I'd +rather do the builds when the servers are lightly used. Do +you have "off hour" times (say at night) that you might +recommend? + +Is the /house/timdaly file system NFS shared? The Axiom build +is designed to take advantage of this by caching system-independent +work. + +Once I've verified that Axiom runs everywhere is there someone I +can contact about including Axiom in HP distributions? The system +is free, is of commercial quality (it used to be commercial code), +and I'm willing to support it. + +Thanks, +Tim Daly +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 12:47:32 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACicU-00064b-2N + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:47:30 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACicJ-0005wi-5I + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:47:19 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACibl-0005ml-8O + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:47:17 -0400 +Received: from [140.247.28.55] (helo=petunia.bostoncoop.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACibl-0005mi-11 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:46:45 -0400 +Received: by petunia.bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id A6F2218923; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:46:43 -0400 (EDT) +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:46:43 -0400 +To: root +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] synthesis +Message-ID: <20031023164643.GA23438@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu> +References: <200310161156.h9GBu3R30430@localhost.localdomain> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <200310161156.h9GBu3R30430@localhost.localdomain> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i +From: dpt@exoskeleton.math.harvard.edu (Dylan Thurston) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:47:23 -0000 + + +--wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:56:03AM -0400, root wrote: +> There are several requests under consideration. +> +> David and Joris have been calling for a "configure" command. +> Dylan and Bill have been trying to set up tm_axiom with texmacs. +> Camm and Juergen have asked to use the already installed lisp. +> Joris would like a static version of the system. +> Dylan would like the make variables to be available everywhere. +> I've been wondering about platform-specific complexity. +> +> I may have the names wrong but the point is that I'm now convinced +> that I have to change direction. +> +> ./configure can be used to attack all of these problems. +> So I'll write up an initial script, post it, and we can play with it. + +It occurs to me that you have a lot on your plate right now (with the +documentation and all), and that there are probably other people on the +list with more experience setting up autoconf than you. Perhaps this +would be a good task for someone else? + +[Or if you've already done this, that's great too.] + +I don't have experience with autoconf, but I'd be happy to learn. + +Peace, + Dylan + +--wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) + +iD8DBQE/mAXzVeybfhaa3tcRAvekAJ9bHfshdpJcjUhX2jPM6lMWl4NO1gCfZQ/c +770zplqm/lt6P5iOp/mA6hU= +=rh+u +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC-- + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 12:52:10 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACih0-0008Ih-15 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:52:10 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACigx-0008G2-5O + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:52:07 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACigP-0007xe-TR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:52:04 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACigP-0007xP-HV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:51:33 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9NGpFv04069; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:51:15 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9NGCE432367; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:12:14 -0400 +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:12:14 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310231612.h9NGCE432367@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: dpt@math.harvard.edu +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Subject: [Axiom-developer] configure +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:52:08 -0000 + +Dylan, + +Great. Give it a try. I've looked at autoconf in detail but it was +nearly 2 years ago but I can answer some questions about it. I think +Camm has also suffered thru it so he may have answers you need. In +any case, feel free to ask. + +Thanks, +Tim Daly +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 12:58:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACimp-0004s3-8j + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:58:11 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACimS-0004kR-2X + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:57:48 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACikj-0003ov-Nd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:56:33 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACike-0003jC-AY; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:55:56 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ACikP-00025R-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:55:41 -0400 +To: "Bill Page" +References: <000601c39800$45669ac0$6501a8c0@Asus> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 23 Oct 2003 12:55:41 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <000601c39800$45669ac0$6501a8c0@Asus> +Message-ID: <54llrbvqpe.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 123 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: On statically linked Axiom (was: static lisp + and rpms) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:58:09 -0000 + +Greetings! OK, thanks for the report -- I've just committed a fix in +cvs 2.6.1 and head. The patch is in two parts, one loads weak symbols +as well as undefined symbols into the bfd symbol table, and the other +maps the 't' and 'nil stream descriptors properly in optimized +references to read-char. These will be in the next stable and +unstable release on the temp site. + +Take care, + +Index: read.d +=================================================================== +RCS file: /cvsroot/gcl/gcl/o/read.d,v +retrieving revision 1.14.4.1.2.2.2.2 +diff -u -r1.14.4.1.2.2.2.2 read.d +--- read.d 14 Sep 2003 02:30:45 -0000 1.14.4.1.2.2.2.2 ++++ read.d 23 Oct 2003 16:37:07 -0000 +@@ -2298,19 +2298,30 @@ + @) + + object +-read_byte1(str,eof) +-object str,eof; +-{if (stream_at_end(str)) +- return eof; +- return make_fixnum(readc_stream(str));} ++read_byte1(strm,eof) ++object strm,eof; ++{ ++ if (strm == Cnil) ++ strm = symbol_value(sLAstandard_inputA); ++ else if (strm == Ct) ++ strm = symbol_value(sLAterminal_ioA); ++ if (stream_at_end(strm)) ++ return eof; ++ return make_fixnum(readc_stream(strm)); ++} + + object +-read_char1(str,eof) +-object str,eof; +-{if (stream_at_end(str)) +- return eof; +- return code_char(readc_stream(str));} +- ++read_char1(strm,eof) ++object strm,eof; ++{ ++ if (strm == Cnil) ++ strm = symbol_value(sLAstandard_inputA); ++ else if (strm == Ct) ++ strm = symbol_value(sLAterminal_ioA); ++ if (stream_at_end(strm)) ++ return eof; ++ return code_char(readc_stream(strm)); ++} + + @(defun copy_readtable (&optional (from `current_readtable()`) to) + @ +Index: sfasli.c +=================================================================== +RCS file: /cvsroot/gcl/gcl/o/sfasli.c,v +retrieving revision 1.10.4.2.2.1 +diff -u -r1.10.4.2.2.1 sfasli.c +--- sfasli.c 6 Sep 2003 17:22:50 -0000 1.10.4.2.2.1 ++++ sfasli.c 23 Oct 2003 16:37:07 -0000 +@@ -59,7 +59,7 @@ + if (!*q[u]->name) + continue; + +- if (strncmp(q[u]->section->name,"*UND*",5)) ++ if (strncmp(q[u]->section->name,"*UND*",5) && ! q[u]->flags & BSF_WEAK) + continue; + + if ((c=(char *)strstr(q[u]->name,"@@"))) { + + +"Bill Page" writes: + +> Tim, David, +> +> You might recall that on Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:28 AM +> Camm Maquire wrote: +> +> > +> > Latest 2.6.1 and CVS HEAD has a --enable-static configure +> > option. There may be some issues when using readline in this +> > mode, but I haven't yet had a chance to plumb the bottom of +> > that. +> > +> +> On Monday, October 20, 2003 11:45 PM Tim wrote: +> +> > +> > The statically linked GCL image has a problem: +> > +> > make file foo.lisp: +> > +> > (defun test (st) (read-char st)) +> > +> > at lisp prompt: +> > +> > >(compile-file "foo.lisp") +> > >(load "foo.o") +> > +> +> I tried this under Windows with GCL 2.6.1 which is statically +> linked without readline by default (I think?). It worked fine. +> +> So it seems that moving to 2.6.1, building with the new +> .\configure --enable-static option and eliminating readline +> might correct your static linking problem. +> +> Cheers, +> Bill Page. +> +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 13:10:45 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACiyy-0004pg-P0 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:10:44 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACiyP-0003wB-8L + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:10:09 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACixg-0002H8-Ku + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:10:03 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACixZ-00024D-4V + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:09:17 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9NH92v04080; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:09:02 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9NGU0Y00915; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:30:00 -0400 +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:30:00 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310231630.h9NGU0Y00915@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: camm@enhanced.com +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] static build and HP TestDrive hp156 console +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:10:42 -0000 + +Thanks. + +I just built and tested a non-static version of the system using +2.6.1 and it works fine (modulo the fact that the files were renamed). +The 2.6.1 version is in the CVS and will be the default build. +The static version failed as mentioned. I'll try a static rebuild +(possibly tonight). + +I am doing compiles using HP's TestDrive server farm. +Just out of wild hope I tried it on one of their 64bit Itanium machines. +I've attached the console log. It blew up quite early in the build +because it couldn't recognize the machine type. Under Schelter's +regime it used to be the case that you set the machine type by typing +./add-defs foo +Can you tell me how the machine type is decided now? + +Tim + + + + +===================================================================== + +bash-2.05b# telnet hp156 +Trying 192.233.54.156... +Connected to hp156. +Escape character is '^]'. +Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 spe156.testdrive.hp.com +spe156 login: timdaly +Password: + +Last login: Thu Oct 23 12:02:44 2003 from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu on pts/1 +Linux spe156 2.4.18-mckinley-smp #1 SMP Thu Jul 11 12:51:02 MDT 2002 ia64 unknown +--------------------------------------- +The Testdrive program is here to enable you to get direct access via the +internet to Compaq's high end AlphaServers and Proliant servers. We thank +you for your time trying out our equipment and encourage +suggestions. Please send all comments and feedback to +testdrive@compaq.com. + +Rules of the Program +-------------------- +We do not allow the following: +1. Running password crackers, dnetc clients, seti, distrib.net, etc. + +2. Bringing down our machines, cracking, etc. We have no doubt that you +can break into the machines if you really want to, but why. When you +bring down a machine you take away a free and valuable resource from the +open source community. So please, think before you act. + +3. Long running, CPU bound processes are not encouraged. The +Testdrive program is not intended as a benchmark nor production +environment. +Programs that consume significant amounts of system resources only make +other +users Testdrive experiences less useful. Experiencing the power of Compaq +systems should be taken in moderation for everyone's benefit! :-) + +4. Abusive file storage. Testdrive is not intended as an ISP/ASP +environment. +User areas are not backed up, and cannot be restored. Users with large +amount of disk usage should understand they are simply consuming their +fellow testers resources. + +Connections and File Moving +--------------------------- +We only allow ftp and telnet in to the testdrive program. No outgoing +connections are allowed. + +To move a file, ftp into any of our testdrive machines, and use a put to +place the files in your house directory. From there they will be +available on all machines. + +For fast local access from individual machines to your files, use the /tmp +directory on the local machine. + +Thanks again for Testdriving + +Testdrive Team +spe156> bash +bash-2.05a$ pwd +/house/timdaly +bash-2.05a$ cd axiom +bash-2.05a$ echo $AXIOM +/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux +bash-2.05a$ make +13 making noweb +patching file modules.c +mnt.o: In function `emitfile': +mnt.o(.text+0xc72): the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp' +make[1]: [install-shell] Error 1 (ignored) +make[1]: [install-code] Error 1 (ignored) +/bin/sh: texhash: command not found +make[1]: [install-elisp] Error 1 (ignored) +0 SPAD=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux SYS=linux SPD=/house/timdaly/axiom LSP=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp GCLDIR=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2 SRC=/house/timdaly/axiom/src INT=/house/timdaly/axiom/int OBJ=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj MNT=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt ZIPS=/house/timdaly/axiom/zips TMP=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj/tmp SPADBIN=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin INC=/house/timdaly/axiom/src/include CCLBASE=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/ccl/ccllisp PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything NOISE=-o /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/tmp/trace GCLVERSION=gcl-2.5.2 +10 copying /house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts to /house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin +1 making a linux system, PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything +2 Environment SPAD=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux SYS=linux SPD=/house/timdaly/axiom LSP=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp GCLDIR=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2 SRC=/house/timdaly/axiom/src INT=/house/timdaly/axiom/int OBJ=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj MNT=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt ZIPS=/house/timdaly/axiom/zips TMP=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj/tmp SPADBIN=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin INC=/house/timdaly/axiom/src/include CCLBASE=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/ccl/ccllisp PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything NOISE=-o /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/tmp/trace GCLVERSION=gcl-2.5.2 +make[1]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom' +11 checking directory structure +12 Environment: PLF=LINUXplatform CCF=-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=-L/usr/X11R6/lib CC=gcc AWK=awk RANLIB=ranlib TOUCH=touch TAR=tar AXIOMXLROOT=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=o BYE=bye LISP=lsp DAASE=/house/timdaly/axiom/src/share +18 making /house/timdaly/axiom/src +make[2]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src' +1 making /house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts +make[3]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts' +1 making /house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts +make[3]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts' +5 making /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib +make[3]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib' +2 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/bsdsignal.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet +3 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/bsdsignal.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/bsdsignal.c +8 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/cursor.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/cursor.c.pamphlet +9 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/cursor.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/cursor.c +11 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/edin.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/edin.c.pamphlet +12 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/edin.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/edin.c +14 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/fnct_key.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/fnct_key.c.pamphlet +15 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/fnct_key.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/fnct_key.c +17 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/halloc.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/halloc.c.pamphlet +18 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/halloc.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/halloc.c +20 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/openpty.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/openpty.c.pamphlet +21 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/openpty.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/openpty.c +23 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/pixmap.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/pixmap.c.pamphlet +24 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/pixmap.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/pixmap.c +26 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/prt.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/prt.c.pamphlet +27 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/prt.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/prt.c +29 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/sockio-c.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/sockio-c.c.pamphlet +30 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/sockio-c.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/sockio-c.c +32 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/spadcolors.c.pamphlet +33 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/spadcolors.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c +35 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/util.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/util.c.pamphlet +36 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/util.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/util.c +38 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/wct.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/wct.c.pamphlet +39 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/wct.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/wct.c +41 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XDither.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/XDither.c.pamphlet +42 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/XDither.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XDither.c +44 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XShade.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/XShade.c.pamphlet +45 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/XShade.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XShade.c +47 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XSpadFill.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/XSpadFill.c.pamphlet +48 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/XSpadFill.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XSpadFill.c +5 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/cfuns-c.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet +6 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/cfuns-c.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/cfuns-c.c +1 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/libspad.a +make[3]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib' +make[2]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src' +0 PLF=LINUXplatform CCF=-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=-L/usr/X11R6/lib CC=gcc AWK=awk RANLIB=ranlib TOUCH=touch TAR=tar AXIOMXLROOT=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=o BYE=bye LISP=lsp DAASE=/house/timdaly/axiom/src/share +10 copying /house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts to /house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin +19 making /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp +make[2]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp' +2 building gcl-2.5.2 +3 applying EXTRAS patch to h/linux.defs +patching file linux.defs +4 setup ini files for EXTRAS patch +5 applying HAVE_XDR patch to h/linux.h +patching file linux.h +6 applying libspad.a patch to unixport/makefile +patching file makefile +7 applying toploop patch to unixport/init_gcl.lsp +patching file init_gcl.lsp.in +8 applying object_to_float patch +patching file cmpaux.c +9 applying in-package patch +patching file package.d +10 applying EXIT patch +18 applying MAX_STACK_SIZE patch +patching file main.c +11 applying tail-recursive noise patch +patching file cmpflet.lsp +12 applying tail-recursive noise patch +patching file cmpcall.lsp +creating cache ./config.cache +checking host system type... ia64-unknown-linux-gnu +host=ia64-unknown-linux-gnu +enable_machine= +Exactly one loader option must be chosen: dlopen=yes statsysbfd=yes dynsysbfd=no locbfd=no custreloc=no +make[3]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2' +rm -f bin/gcl xbin/gcl +MGCLDIR=`echo /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2 | sed -e 'sX^\([a-z]\):X/\1Xg'` ; \ +GCLDIR=`echo /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2` ; \ +make install-command "INSTALL_LIB_DIR=$GCLDIR" "prefix=$GCLDIR" "BINDIR=$MGCLDIR/unixport" +make[4]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2' +rm -f /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gcl +(echo '#!/bin/sh' ; \ +if gcc --version | grep -q -i mingw ; then echo "export C_INCLUDE_PATH=`echo $INSTALL_LIB_DIR`/h"; else echo "export C_INCLUDE_PATH=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/h:\$C_INCLUDE_PATH"; fi ;\ +echo exec /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/unixport/ \\ ; \ +echo ' -dir' /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/unixport/ \\ ; \ +echo ' -libdir' /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/ \\ ; \ +echo ' -eval '\''(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)'\' \\ ;\ +! [ -d "" ] || echo ' -eval '\''(setq si::*tk-library* '\"\"')'\' \\;\ +[ "" = "" ] || echo ' -eval '\''(si::init-readline)'\' \\;\ +echo ' '\"\$@\" ) > /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gcl; +echo '#' other options: -load "/tmp/foo.o" -load "jo.lsp" -eval '"(joe 3)"' >> /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gcl +chmod a+x /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gcl +rm -f /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gclm.bat +if gcc --version | grep -q mingw ; then (echo '@SET cd='; \ + echo '@SET promp%prompt%'; \ + echo '@PROMPT SET cd'; \ + echo '@CALL>%temp%.\setdir.bat'; \ + echo '@'; \ + echo '% do not delete this line %'; \ + echo '@ECHO off'; \ + echo 'PROMPT %promp'; \ + echo 'FOR %%c IN (CALL DEL) DO %%c %temp%.\setdir.bat'; \ + echo 'set cwd=%cd%'; \ + echo 'set libdir=%cd%\..\lib\gcl-2.5.0'; \ + echo 'set unixportdir=%libdir%\unixport'; \ + echo 'path %cd%\..\mingw\bin;%PATH%'; \ + echo "start %unixportdir%\saved_gcl.exe -dir %unixportdir% -libdir %libdir% -eval \"(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)\" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9" ) > /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gclm.bat ; fi +rm -f /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gclfinal.bat +if gcc --version | grep -q -i mingw ; then (echo 'ECHO path %1\mingw\bin;%PATH% > gcli.bat'; \ + echo "ECHO start %1\lib\gcl-2.5.0\unixport\saved_gcl.exe -dir %1\lib\gcl-2.5.0\unixport -libdir %1\lib\gcl-2.5.0 -eval \"(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)\" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 >> gcli.bat" ) > /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gclfinal.bat ; fi +make[4]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2' +(cd xbin ; cp ../bin/gcl .) +cd cmpnew && make collectfn.o +make[4]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/cmpnew' +../unixport/saved_gcl ../unixport/ -compile collectfn.lsp +make[4]: ../unixport/saved_gcl: Command not found +make[4]: *** [collectfn.o] Error 127 +make[4]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/cmpnew' +make[3]: *** [cmpnew/collectfn.o] Error 2 +make[3]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2' +cp: cannot stat `unixport/saved_gcl': No such file or directory +make[2]: *** [gcldir] Error 1 +make[2]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp' +make[1]: *** [lspdir] Error 2 +make[1]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom' +make: *** [all] Error 2 +bash-2.05a$ uname -a +uname -a +Linux spe156 2.4.18-mckinley-smp #1 SMP Thu Jul 11 12:51:02 MDT 2002 ia64 unknown +bash-2.05a$ exit +exit +exit +spe156> exit +exit +spe156> logout +Connection closed by foreign host. + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 14:23:44 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACk7c-0002KQ-7r + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:23:44 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACk7X-0002Iq-QM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:23:39 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACk6v-00026x-4w + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:23:32 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACk6u-00026Y-A4; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:23:00 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ACk6f-0002G4-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:22:45 -0400 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <200310231630.h9NGU0Y00915@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 23 Oct 2003 14:22:45 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310231630.h9NGU0Y00915@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <54znfrolu2.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 271 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: static build and HP TestDrive hp156 console +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:23:42 -0000 + +Greetings! + +You're in luck -- axiom ia64 lives, at least on Debian, which is most +likely exactly the machine you are running. + +This is a configure script default error -- just add +--disable-statsysbfd --enable-dlopen to the configure flags. +Currently needed (alas) on mips(el), ia64, hppa, and alpha. + +One additional annoyance remains on ia64 -- the ld.so 'function +descriptors' are dynamically generated, which means that unless the +shared libs at runtime are exactly the same as at build time, you can +lose big. Emacs had a similar issue, as they like us make images with +unexec, which stores function addresses in the executable's .data +section. Was the original motivation for the static build option, but +alas again, this does not seem to work with dlopen (naturally). +Probably the shortest way out is to implement +bfd_relocate_section_contents on this machine, but so far there are no +users (I know of), and this is low priority, esp. with the appearance +of amd64, which is fully supported in 64bit mode. + +Please let me know if you have probs. + +Take care, + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Thanks. +> +> I just built and tested a non-static version of the system using +> 2.6.1 and it works fine (modulo the fact that the files were renamed). +> The 2.6.1 version is in the CVS and will be the default build. +> The static version failed as mentioned. I'll try a static rebuild +> (possibly tonight). +> +> I am doing compiles using HP's TestDrive server farm. +> Just out of wild hope I tried it on one of their 64bit Itanium machines. +> I've attached the console log. It blew up quite early in the build +> because it couldn't recognize the machine type. Under Schelter's +> regime it used to be the case that you set the machine type by typing +> ./add-defs foo +> Can you tell me how the machine type is decided now? +> +> Tim +> +> +> +> +> ===================================================================== +> +> bash-2.05b# telnet hp156 +> Trying 192.233.54.156... +> Connected to hp156. +> Escape character is '^]'. +> Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 spe156.testdrive.hp.com +> spe156 login: timdaly +> Password: +> +> Last login: Thu Oct 23 12:02:44 2003 from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu on pts/1 +> Linux spe156 2.4.18-mckinley-smp #1 SMP Thu Jul 11 12:51:02 MDT 2002 ia64 unknown +> --------------------------------------- +> The Testdrive program is here to enable you to get direct access via the +> internet to Compaq's high end AlphaServers and Proliant servers. We thank +> you for your time trying out our equipment and encourage +> suggestions. Please send all comments and feedback to +> testdrive@compaq.com. +> +> Rules of the Program +> -------------------- +> We do not allow the following: +> 1. Running password crackers, dnetc clients, seti, distrib.net, etc. +> +> 2. Bringing down our machines, cracking, etc. We have no doubt that you +> can break into the machines if you really want to, but why. When you +> bring down a machine you take away a free and valuable resource from the +> open source community. So please, think before you act. +> +> 3. Long running, CPU bound processes are not encouraged. The +> Testdrive program is not intended as a benchmark nor production +> environment. +> Programs that consume significant amounts of system resources only make +> other +> users Testdrive experiences less useful. Experiencing the power of Compaq +> systems should be taken in moderation for everyone's benefit! :-) +> +> 4. Abusive file storage. Testdrive is not intended as an ISP/ASP +> environment. +> User areas are not backed up, and cannot be restored. Users with large +> amount of disk usage should understand they are simply consuming their +> fellow testers resources. +> +> Connections and File Moving +> --------------------------- +> We only allow ftp and telnet in to the testdrive program. No outgoing +> connections are allowed. +> +> To move a file, ftp into any of our testdrive machines, and use a put to +> place the files in your house directory. From there they will be +> available on all machines. +> +> For fast local access from individual machines to your files, use the /tmp +> directory on the local machine. +> +> Thanks again for Testdriving +> +> Testdrive Team +> spe156> bash +> bash-2.05a$ pwd +> /house/timdaly +> bash-2.05a$ cd axiom +> bash-2.05a$ echo $AXIOM +> /house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux +> bash-2.05a$ make +> 13 making noweb +> patching file modules.c +> mnt.o: In function `emitfile': +> mnt.o(.text+0xc72): the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp' +> make[1]: [install-shell] Error 1 (ignored) +> make[1]: [install-code] Error 1 (ignored) +> /bin/sh: texhash: command not found +> make[1]: [install-elisp] Error 1 (ignored) +> 0 SPAD=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux SYS=linux SPD=/house/timdaly/axiom LSP=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp GCLDIR=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2 SRC=/house/timdaly/axiom/src INT=/house/timdaly/axiom/int OBJ=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj MNT=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt ZIPS=/house/timdaly/axiom/zips TMP=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj/tmp SPADBIN=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin INC=/house/timdaly/axiom/src/include CCLBASE=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/ccl/ccllisp PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything NOISE=-o /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/tmp/trace GCLVERSION=gcl-2.5.2 +> 10 copying /house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts to /house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin +> 1 making a linux system, PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything +> 2 Environment SPAD=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux SYS=linux SPD=/house/timdaly/axiom LSP=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp GCLDIR=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2 SRC=/house/timdaly/axiom/src INT=/house/timdaly/axiom/int OBJ=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj MNT=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt ZIPS=/house/timdaly/axiom/zips TMP=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj/tmp SPADBIN=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin INC=/house/timdaly/axiom/src/include CCLBASE=/house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/ccl/ccllisp PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything NOISE=-o /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/tmp/trace GCLVERSION=gcl-2.5.2 +> make[1]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom' +> 11 checking directory structure +> 12 Environment: PLF=LINUXplatform CCF=-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=-L/usr/X11R6/lib CC=gcc AWK=awk RANLIB=ranlib TOUCH=touch TAR=tar AXIOMXLROOT=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=o BYE=bye LISP=lsp DAASE=/house/timdaly/axiom/src/share +> 18 making /house/timdaly/axiom/src +> make[2]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src' +> 1 making /house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts +> make[3]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts' +> 1 making /house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts +> make[3]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts' +> 5 making /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib +> make[3]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib' +> 2 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/bsdsignal.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet +> 3 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/bsdsignal.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/bsdsignal.c +> 8 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/cursor.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/cursor.c.pamphlet +> 9 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/cursor.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/cursor.c +> 11 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/edin.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/edin.c.pamphlet +> 12 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/edin.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/edin.c +> 14 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/fnct_key.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/fnct_key.c.pamphlet +> 15 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/fnct_key.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/fnct_key.c +> 17 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/halloc.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/halloc.c.pamphlet +> 18 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/halloc.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/halloc.c +> 20 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/openpty.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/openpty.c.pamphlet +> 21 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/openpty.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/openpty.c +> 23 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/pixmap.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/pixmap.c.pamphlet +> 24 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/pixmap.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/pixmap.c +> 26 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/prt.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/prt.c.pamphlet +> 27 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/prt.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/prt.c +> 29 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/sockio-c.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/sockio-c.c.pamphlet +> 30 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/sockio-c.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/sockio-c.c +> 32 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/spadcolors.c.pamphlet +> 33 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/spadcolors.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c +> 35 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/util.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/util.c.pamphlet +> 36 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/util.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/util.c +> 38 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/wct.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/wct.c.pamphlet +> 39 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/wct.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/wct.c +> 41 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XDither.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/XDither.c.pamphlet +> 42 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/XDither.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XDither.c +> 44 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XShade.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/XShade.c.pamphlet +> 45 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/XShade.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XShade.c +> 47 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XSpadFill.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/XSpadFill.c.pamphlet +> 48 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/XSpadFill.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/XSpadFill.c +> 5 making /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/cfuns-c.c from /house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet +> 6 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/cfuns-c.o from /house/timdaly/axiom/int/lib/cfuns-c.c +> 1 making /house/timdaly/axiom/obj/linux/lib/libspad.a +> make[3]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src/lib' +> make[2]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/src' +> 0 PLF=LINUXplatform CCF=-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=-L/usr/X11R6/lib CC=gcc AWK=awk RANLIB=ranlib TOUCH=touch TAR=tar AXIOMXLROOT=/house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=o BYE=bye LISP=lsp DAASE=/house/timdaly/axiom/src/share +> 10 copying /house/timdaly/axiom/src/scripts to /house/timdaly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin +> 19 making /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp +> make[2]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp' +> 2 building gcl-2.5.2 +> 3 applying EXTRAS patch to h/linux.defs +> patching file linux.defs +> 4 setup ini files for EXTRAS patch +> 5 applying HAVE_XDR patch to h/linux.h +> patching file linux.h +> 6 applying libspad.a patch to unixport/makefile +> patching file makefile +> 7 applying toploop patch to unixport/init_gcl.lsp +> patching file init_gcl.lsp.in +> 8 applying object_to_float patch +> patching file cmpaux.c +> 9 applying in-package patch +> patching file package.d +> 10 applying EXIT patch +> 18 applying MAX_STACK_SIZE patch +> patching file main.c +> 11 applying tail-recursive noise patch +> patching file cmpflet.lsp +> 12 applying tail-recursive noise patch +> patching file cmpcall.lsp +> creating cache ./config.cache +> checking host system type... ia64-unknown-linux-gnu +> host=ia64-unknown-linux-gnu +> enable_machine= +> Exactly one loader option must be chosen: dlopen=yes statsysbfd=yes dynsysbfd=no locbfd=no custreloc=no +> make[3]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2' +> rm -f bin/gcl xbin/gcl +> MGCLDIR=`echo /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2 | sed -e 'sX^\([a-z]\):X/\1Xg'` ; \ +> GCLDIR=`echo /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2` ; \ +> make install-command "INSTALL_LIB_DIR=$GCLDIR" "prefix=$GCLDIR" "BINDIR=$MGCLDIR/unixport" +> make[4]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2' +> rm -f /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gcl +> (echo '#!/bin/sh' ; \ +> if gcc --version | grep -q -i mingw ; then echo "export C_INCLUDE_PATH=`echo $INSTALL_LIB_DIR`/h"; else echo "export C_INCLUDE_PATH=/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/h:\$C_INCLUDE_PATH"; fi ;\ +> echo exec /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/unixport/ \\ ; \ +> echo ' -dir' /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/unixport/ \\ ; \ +> echo ' -libdir' /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/ \\ ; \ +> echo ' -eval '\''(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)'\' \\ ;\ +> ! [ -d "" ] || echo ' -eval '\''(setq si::*tk-library* '\"\"')'\' \\;\ +> [ "" = "" ] || echo ' -eval '\''(si::init-readline)'\' \\;\ +> echo ' '\"\$@\" ) > /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gcl; +> echo '#' other options: -load "/tmp/foo.o" -load "jo.lsp" -eval '"(joe 3)"' >> /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gcl +> chmod a+x /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gcl +> rm -f /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gclm.bat +> if gcc --version | grep -q mingw ; then (echo '@SET cd='; \ +> echo '@SET promp%prompt%'; \ +> echo '@PROMPT SET cd'; \ +> echo '@CALL>%temp%.\setdir.bat'; \ +> echo '@'; \ +> echo '% do not delete this line %'; \ +> echo '@ECHO off'; \ +> echo 'PROMPT %promp'; \ +> echo 'FOR %%c IN (CALL DEL) DO %%c %temp%.\setdir.bat'; \ +> echo 'set cwd=%cd%'; \ +> echo 'set libdir=%cd%\..\lib\gcl-2.5.0'; \ +> echo 'set unixportdir=%libdir%\unixport'; \ +> echo 'path %cd%\..\mingw\bin;%PATH%'; \ +> echo "start %unixportdir%\saved_gcl.exe -dir %unixportdir% -libdir %libdir% -eval \"(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)\" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9" ) > /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gclm.bat ; fi +> rm -f /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gclfinal.bat +> if gcc --version | grep -q -i mingw ; then (echo 'ECHO path %1\mingw\bin;%PATH% > gcli.bat'; \ +> echo "ECHO start %1\lib\gcl-2.5.0\unixport\saved_gcl.exe -dir %1\lib\gcl-2.5.0\unixport -libdir %1\lib\gcl-2.5.0 -eval \"(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)\" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 >> gcli.bat" ) > /house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/bin/gclfinal.bat ; fi +> make[4]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2' +> (cd xbin ; cp ../bin/gcl .) +> cd cmpnew && make collectfn.o +> make[4]: Entering directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/cmpnew' +> ../unixport/saved_gcl ../unixport/ -compile collectfn.lsp +> make[4]: ../unixport/saved_gcl: Command not found +> make[4]: *** [collectfn.o] Error 127 +> make[4]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/cmpnew' +> make[3]: *** [cmpnew/collectfn.o] Error 2 +> make[3]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.5.2' +> cp: cannot stat `unixport/saved_gcl': No such file or directory +> make[2]: *** [gcldir] Error 1 +> make[2]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom/lsp' +> make[1]: *** [lspdir] Error 2 +> make[1]: Leaving directory `/house/timdaly/axiom' +> make: *** [all] Error 2 +> bash-2.05a$ uname -a +> uname -a +> Linux spe156 2.4.18-mckinley-smp #1 SMP Thu Jul 11 12:51:02 MDT 2002 ia64 unknown +> bash-2.05a$ exit +> exit +> exit +> spe156> exit +> exit +> spe156> logout +> Connection closed by foreign host. +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 16:45:11 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmFr-0004jf-5l + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:40:23 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmFh-0004QM-ST + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:40:13 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmEm-0002xo-1I + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:39:48 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACmEg-0002oH-7w + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:39:10 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-21-111.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.51.125.111]) by mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 576671800180; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:39:09 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ACmEe-0000mc-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:39:08 +0200 +To: Tim Daly +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:39:08 +0200 +Message-ID: <873cdjadub.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Error on INTERP.EXPOSED when building from scratch +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:40:21 -0000 + +Hello Tim, + +I tried to build Axiom from scratch (with gcl 2.6.1) on my powerpc +machine and the build failed with following error message on +INTERP.EXPOSED. + +make[3]: Entering directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/src/interp' +make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/src/algebra/INTERP.EXPOSED.pamphlet', needed by `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/interp/algebra/INTERP.EXPOSED'. Stop. +make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/src/interp' +make[2]: *** [interpdir] Error 2 + +I thought that INTERP.EXPOSED was gone[1]. Would the issue related to +powerpc arch? + +Yours, +d. + +[1] http://mail.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-10/msg00068.html +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 16:46:06 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmL6-0006BF-Du + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:45:48 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmKf-000661-Pn + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:45:21 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmK5-0005ni-UB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:45:16 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACmK5-0005nS-9e + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:44:45 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (163.183.252.64.snet.net [64.252.183.163]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9NKie5t058816; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:44:44 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NKiD415862; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:44:13 -0400 +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:44:13 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310232044.h9NKiD415862@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +In-reply-to: <873cdjadub.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (message from David MENTRE on Thu, 23 + Oct 2003 22:39:08 +0200) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Error on INTERP.EXPOSED when building from + scratch +References: <873cdjadub.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:45:25 -0000 + +David, + +INTERP.EXPOSED is gone. Did you do a cvs update before the build? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 17:15:20 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmng-0002WQ-6H + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:15:20 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmnd-0002VQ-Jj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:15:17 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmn6-0002Mi-Hd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:15:15 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACmlc-0001s6-2R + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:13:12 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9NLD4lu014486; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:13:04 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9NLD2ar014385; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:13:02 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:13:27 -0400 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9B6@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" , david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Error on INTERP.EXPOSED when building from + scratch +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:13:26 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:15:18 -0000 + +Tim, + +I had the same problem as David when I downloaded the CVS to +a virgin machine last week. There is still a reference to +src/algebra/INTERP.EXPOSED in the src/interp/Makefile. I solved +it (temporarily) by copying INTERP.EXPOSED.pamphlet into +src/algebra from an earlier distribution. + +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:44 PM +> To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +> Cc: axiom@tenkan.org; axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Error on INTERP.EXPOSED when building +> from scratch +> +> +> David, +> +> INTERP.EXPOSED is gone. Did you do a cvs update before the build? +> +> Tim +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 17:20:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmsp-0007LM-9T + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:20:39 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACmse-0007CV-OO + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:20:28 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACms6-0006ID-6D + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:20:26 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACmrO-0005jA-UF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:19:10 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (163.183.252.64.snet.net [64.252.183.163]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9NLJ5SI036108; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:19:05 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NLIjS15948; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:18:45 -0400 +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:18:45 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310232118.h9NLIjS15948@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +In-reply-to: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9B6@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Error on INTERP.EXPOSED when building from + scratch +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9B6@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom@tenkan.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:20:37 -0000 + +Bill, + +I just tried: + +cd /tmp + +cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co axiom/src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet + +cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co axiom/src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet + +cd axiom/src/interp + +fgrep -i interp.exposed Makefile.pamphlet + +and find no reference. I'm confused. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 18:03:17 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACnY5-0006mY-Dx + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:03:17 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACnY2-0006kz-EK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:03:14 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACnXU-0006Wm-Gr + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:03:11 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACnXU-0006WL-3Z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:02:40 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9NM2Wga047834; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:02:32 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9NM2Var047712; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:02:31 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:02:56 -0400 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Error on INTERP.EXPOSED when building from + scratch +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:02:55 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:03:15 -0000 + +Tim, + +You are right. It is gone. (but it was there last week...) + + +BTW, thanks very much for your work on GCL 2.6.1! + +I have started work again on the Windows port. Until your +update of the CVS, I was working with the Windows binary +version of GCL 2.6.1. I have got as far as building +interpsys, but I get a "memory may be damaged" error when +it trys to compile the first spad file (AHYP.spad). Maybe +this is due to the ad hoc way I tried to get around linking +the cfuns-c external routines. + +Now I will start again, compile GCL 2.6.1 under MSYS and +linking in the externals. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:19 PM +> To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +> Cc: daly@idsi.net; david.mentre@wanadoo.fr; axiom@tenkan.org; +> axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Error on INTERP.EXPOSED when building +> from scratch +> +> +> Bill, +> +> I just tried: +> +> cd /tmp +> +> cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co +> axiom/src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet +> +> cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co +> axiom/src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet +> +> cd axiom/src/interp +> +> fgrep -i interp.exposed Makefile.pamphlet +> +> and find no reference. I'm confused. +> +> Tim +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 18:23:44 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACnqg-0006NA-75 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:22:30 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACnqO-0006Jv-QF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:22:12 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACnpr-0005t5-AD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:22:10 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACnpk-0005oI-Vy + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:21:33 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (163.183.252.64.snet.net [64.252.183.163]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9NMKw5t050370; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:20:58 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NMKXP16084; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:20:33 -0400 +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:20:33 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310232220.h9NMKXP16084@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +In-reply-to: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, + axiom@tenkan.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:22:14 -0000 + +Bill, + +I believe that both you and David had a problem. +I probably uploaded a bad Makefile.pamphlet. + +Re: Windows GCL-2.6.1 +I downloaded Camm's image but it won't run under Windows XP. + +If you get a chance could you jot down the steps you take to +build GCL on Windows? I tried to get make to work but got nowhere. +Windows XP make me so enfeebled that I can't seem to figure out +how to get any of my tools working. I guess that's why the code +name for this version was Kryptonite :-) I have both mingw and +cygwin installed. + +Thanks. +Supergirl. + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 18:48:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACoFZ-0004Hy-EG + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:48:13 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACoFQ-0004FY-CA + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:48:04 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACoEq-000458-KT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:47:59 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACoEq-000455-8L + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:47:28 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9NMlPS7074918; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:47:25 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9NMlOar074851; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:47:24 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:47:49 -0400 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BC@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:47:48 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:48:11 -0000 + +Tim, + +Did you download? + + +http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/stable-binary/gcl_2.6.1.mingw32_japi_xdr_ +20030929.zip + +Unzip it and run the install program. It installed and +runs under Windows XP for me with no problems (although +an earlier version did fail on the install unless you +installed it into a directory named c:/lang). + +What kind of "won't run" did you get when you tried it? + +About Windows - just think of it like travelling to a +foriegn country where no one speaks your language ... + +Details of building GCL from scratch under MSYS and notes +on required patches to AXIOM to follow later (tonight if +possible). + +Cheers, +Bill. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:21 PM +> To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +> Cc: daly@idsi.net; david.mentre@wanadoo.fr; axiom@tenkan.org; +> axiom-developer@nongnu.org; camm@enhanced.com +> Subject: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +> +> +> Bill, +> +> I believe that both you and David had a problem. +> I probably uploaded a bad Makefile.pamphlet. +> +> Re: Windows GCL-2.6.1 +> I downloaded Camm's image but it won't run under Windows XP. +> +> If you get a chance could you jot down the steps you take to +> build GCL on Windows? I tried to get make to work but got nowhere. +> Windows XP make me so enfeebled that I can't seem to figure out +> how to get any of my tools working. I guess that's why the code +> name for this version was Kryptonite :-) I have both mingw and +> cygwin installed. +> +> Thanks. +> Supergirl. +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 19:10:20 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACoax-0007LX-K4 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:10:19 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACoau-0007Kn-1U + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:10:16 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACoaM-0007DF-Ik + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:10:13 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACoaL-0007CZ-Vg; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:09:42 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ACoXj-0002fx-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:06:59 -0400 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <200310232220.h9NMKXP16084@localhost.localdomain> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 23 Oct 2003 19:06:59 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310232220.h9NMKXP16084@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: <5465if4kq4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 33 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org, + axiom@tenkan.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:10:17 -0000 + +Greetings! Alas I'm equally enfeebled on Windows, and of course none +of the deb binaries will run there. But we have our staunch Mike +Thomas to help you when needed. + +Take care, + +root writes: + +> Bill, +> +> I believe that both you and David had a problem. +> I probably uploaded a bad Makefile.pamphlet. +> +> Re: Windows GCL-2.6.1 +> I downloaded Camm's image but it won't run under Windows XP. +> +> If you get a chance could you jot down the steps you take to +> build GCL on Windows? I tried to get make to work but got nowhere. +> Windows XP make me so enfeebled that I can't seem to figure out +> how to get any of my tools working. I guess that's why the code +> name for this version was Kryptonite :-) I have both mingw and +> cygwin installed. +> +> Thanks. +> Supergirl. +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 21:29:27 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACqlb-0002oW-6Y + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:29:27 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACqlZ-0002mZ-Cy + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:29:25 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACql0-0002Pj-11 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:29:21 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACqkz-0002Ox-LC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:28:49 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9O1SgRU043326; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:28:42 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9O1Sear043259; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:28:40 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:29:05 -0400 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BD@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:29:05 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: "'camm@enhanced.com'" , + "'axiom-developer@nongnu.org'" , + gcl-devel@gnu.org, "'axiom@tenkan.org'" +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:29:26 -0000 + +Tim, + +On Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:48 PM I wrote: +> +> Did you download? +> +> +> http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/stable-binary/gcl_2.6.1.min +> gw32_japi_xdr_20030929.zip +> +> Unzip it and run the install program. It installed and +> runs under Windows XP for me with no problems (although +> an earlier version did fail on the install unless you +> installed it into a directory named c:/lang). +> + +I have just tried this and I see that the problem with the +install directory still exists. When the install scripts +asks where you want to install GCL, tell it + + c:/lang/gcl261 + +instead of the default, then the install will complete +normally. + +I understood that Mike Thomas was going to upload a corrected +version a couple of weeks ago but perhaps it has not yet made +it to debian. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 23:28:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACsco-0000Ob-Su + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:28:30 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACscn-0000OP-AA + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:28:29 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACscG-0000Fe-8K + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:28:28 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACscF-0000FT-W7 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:27:56 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (163.183.252.64.snet.net [64.252.183.163]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9O3RsSI083572; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:27:54 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O3RXd16311; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:27:33 -0400 +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:27:33 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310240327.h9O3RXd16311@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +Cc: +Subject: [Axiom-developer] ports +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:28:29 -0000 + +David, + +Thanks to HP's TestDrive program we have shown that Axiom +successfully builds and runs on the following systems: + + Slackware Linux 8.0.01 on Intel + ProLiant ML530 2@800MHz + Linux spe160 2.4.20 #20 Mon Mar 17 22:55:24 PST 2003 i686 unknown + + + Red Hat Linux 8.0 on Intel + ProLiant ML530 2@1.0GHz + Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 2.1 (Panama) + Kernel 2.4.9-e.12smp on an i686 + Linux spe141.testdrive.hp.com 2.4.9-e.12smp #1 SMP Tue Feb 11 02:24:10 EST 2003 i686 unknown + +Could you update the "ports" webpage? +I've also saved the complete image of the build tree so we +can create binary files for these distributions. + + +More are on the way. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 23 23:53:38 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACt18-00031N-5J + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:53:38 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACt15-00030z-G5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:53:35 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACt0Z-0002vK-Kq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:53:34 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACt0Z-0002vE-Am + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:53:03 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (163.183.252.64.snet.net [64.252.183.163]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9O3qx5t158930; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:52:59 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O3qcM16338; + Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:52:38 -0400 +Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:52:38 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310240352.h9O3qcM16338@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: camm@enhanced.com +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] GCL-2.5.2 build +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:53:35 -0000 + +Camm, + +The version I'm porting to the various HP systems is GCL-2.5.2 +(mostly because I'm doing many things in parallel and 2.6.1 +is on a different thread of work). + +I get warnings (not errors) of the form: + +cmpcall.c: In function `LnkTL124': +cmpcall.c:1949: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules + +The message is output hundreds of times during the build for many files. +It does not seem to affect the result but I'm passing it along anyway. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 02:32:44 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACvV6-0008C1-Js + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:32:44 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACvV3-0008AZ-NZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:32:41 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACvUX-0007sV-ET + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:32:40 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACvUW-0007sG-VE + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:32:09 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9O6W0jT056959; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:32:00 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9O6Vxar056892; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:31:59 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:32:24 -0400 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BF@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:32:24 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:32:42 -0000 + +Tim, + +On Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:21 PM you asked +> +> If you get a chance could you jot down the steps you take +> to build GCL on Windows? I tried to get make to work but +> got nowhere. Windows XP make me so enfeebled that I can't +> seem to figure out how to get any of my tools working. +> I guess that's why the code name for this version was +> Kryptonite :-) I have both mingw and cygwin installed. +> + +Well, this will get you started with GCL. With these +patches, the make at least starts the build of Axiom +but fails because of Windows use of file names that contain +a C:/xxx (GCL thinks this is a package name). I've solved +this by passing strings instead of symbols. + +So in the next message I will send you at least one more +set of patches for this and also a patch to boot to handle +the carriage return (char = 13) found in Windows text files. + +Detailed steps: + +1) Go to http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml and download + + http://prdownloads.sf.net/mingw/MinGW-3.1.0-1.exe?download + + http://prdownloads.sf.net/mingw/MSYS-1.0.9.exe?download + + http://prdownloads.sf.net/mingw/msysDTK-1.0.1.exe?download + + http://prdownloads.sf.net/mingw/gcc-core-3.3.1-20030804-1.tar.gz?download + +2) Install these files in the same order as above. I just +accept the default locations. The last one should be extracted +into c:/mingw and overwrites the older version of gcc. When you +are done, you should be able to start MSYS and a get + + $ gcc -v + gcc version 3.3.1 (mingw special 20030804-1) + +3) Copy the current Axiom CVS into you MSYS home directory. + +4) Now you need to apply the patches given below. + +5) Set the AXIOM environment variable + + echo 'export AXIOM=`pwd -W`/mnt/windows' > .profile + . .profile + +6) And start your engines! + + make clean + make + +Let me know how it goes. Don't be afraid to ask if some +Windows silliness doesn't make sense to you. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +patch1.windows: +--------------- + +This patch modifies the main Axiom Makefile for Windows. +You need to do this in order to "bootstrap" noweb. Note +the use of the MSYS -W option on pwd. This produces a +windows compatible path name. + +diff -Naur -xint -x*.dvi -xgcl-2.6.1 -xCVS -xbin -xobj -xnoweb -xgcldir +axiom-save/Makefile axiom/Makefile +--- axiom-save/Makefile Fri Oct 24 00:48:05 2003 ++++ axiom/Makefile Thu Oct 23 19:41:02 2003 +@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ +-SPD=$(shell pwd) ++SPD=$(shell pwd -W) + SYS=$(notdir $(AXIOM)) + SPAD=${SPD}/mnt/${SYS} + LSP=${SPD}/lsp +@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ + INT=${SPD}/int + OBJ=${SPD}/obj + MNT=${SPD}/mnt +-ZIPS=${SPD}/zips ++ZIPS=${shell pwd}/zips + TMP=${OBJ}/tmp + SPADBIN=${MNT}/${SYS}/bin + INC=${SPD}/src/include +@@ -49,6 +49,9 @@ + cd ${OBJ}/noweb/src/c ; \ + cp ${ZIPS}/noweb.modules.c.patch . ; \ + patch > + + @ ++ ++\subsection{Makefile.windows} ++Annoyingly enough it seems that GCL uses a default extension of .lsp ++rather than .lisp so we add the {\bf LISP} variable here. We need to ++depend on the default extension behavior because the system build ++will load either the interpreted or compiled form of a file depending ++on which is available. This varies at different stages of the build. ++<>= ++# System dependent Makefile for the Intel/Windows/MSYS platform ++# Platform variable ++PLF:=MSYSplatform ++# C compiler flags ++CCF:="-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -D${PLF} +-I/usr/X11/include" ++#CCF:=-g -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -D${PLF} +-I/usr/X11/include ++# Loader flags ++LDF:= -L/usr/X11R6/lib ++# C compiler to use ++CC:=gcc ++AWK=awk ++RANLIB=ranlib ++TOUCH=touch ++TAR=tar ++AXIOMXLROOT=${AXIOM}/compiler ++O=o ++BYE=bye ++LISP=lsp ++DAASE=${SRC}/share ++ ++ENV=PLF=${PLF} CCF=${CCF} LDF=${LDF} CC=${CC} AWK=${AWK} RANLIB=${RANLIB} \ ++ TOUCH=${TOUCH} TAR=${TAR} AXIOMXLROOT=${AXIOMXLROOT} O=${O} BYE=${BYE} +\ ++ LISP=${LISP} DAASE=${DAASE} ++ ++all: rootdirs noweb srcsetup lspdir srcdir ++ @echo 45 Makefile.linux called ++ @echo 46 Environment : ${ENV} ++ @echo 47 finished system build on `date` | tee >lastBuildDate ++ ++<> ++<> ++<> ++<> ++<> ++<> ++<> ++<> ++ ++@ ++ ++ + \eject + \begin{thebibliography}{99} + \bibitem{1} CMUCL {\bf http://www.cons.org/cmucl} + + +This patch adds a patch to the lisp Makefile for mingw.defs +similiar to to one of linux.defs (see below). It removes one +of the windows incompatibe GCL ./configure options. It also +avoids trying to link sockio-c since we are not able to compile +it as it stands under windows. Perhaps it can be re-written +for windows, but maybe a better solution would be to use GCL's +built-in session stuff - help! + +Let's just cross our fingers and hope that this omission +doesn't bit us too hard later in the build. + +diff -Naur -xint -x*.dvi -xgcl-2.6.1 -xCVS -xbin -xobj -xnoweb -xgcldir +axiom-save/lsp/Makefile.pamphlet axiom/lsp/Makefile.pamphlet +--- axiom-save/lsp/Makefile.pamphlet Fri Oct 24 00:48:12 2003 ++++ axiom/lsp/Makefile.pamphlet Fri Oct 24 01:13:10 2003 +@@ -20,7 +20,8 @@ + This patch is to {\bf h/386-linux.defs} to include two + global variables, {\bf EXTRAS} and {\bf EXTRA\_LIB} + \begin{verbatim} +-EXTRAS = ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/cfuns-c.o ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/sockio-c.o ++EXTRAS = ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/cfuns-c.o ++# ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/sockio-c.o + EXTRA_LIB=${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/libspad.a + \end{verbatim} + The {\bf EXTRAS} variable is used to include two files into the +@@ -45,6 +46,9 @@ + @(cd ${GCLVERSION}/h ; \ + echo 3 applying EXTRAS patch to h/linux.defs ; \ + patch <${SPD}/zips/${GCLVERSION}.h.linux.defs.patch ) ++ @(cd ${GCLVERSION}/h ; \ ++ echo 3a applying EXTRAS patch to h/mingw.defs ; \ ++ patch <${SPD}/zips/${GCLVERSION}.h.mingw.defs.patch ) + @(echo 4 setup ini files for EXTRAS patch ; \ + touch ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/cfuns-c.ini ; \ + touch ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/sockio-c.ini ) +@@ -174,7 +178,7 @@ + relocating object files. + <>= + @(cd ${GCLVERSION} ; \ +- ./configure --enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd +--enable-readline --enable-maxpage=128*1024 ; \ ++ ./configure --enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-readline +--enable-maxpage=128*1024 ; \ + ${ENV} ${MAKE} ; \ + cp unixport/saved_gcl ${OUT}/lisp ) + @ + + +This patch changes the lib Makefile to avoid compiling +C code that doesn't work under Windows. Note also the +assing of the platform conditional define to gcc. + +diff -Naur -xint -x*.dvi -xgcl-2.6.1 -xCVS -xbin -xobj -xnoweb -xgcldir +axiom-save/src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet axiom/src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet +--- axiom-save/src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet Fri Oct 24 00:48:35 2003 ++++ axiom/src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet Thu Oct 23 23:15:58 2003 +@@ -102,9 +102,10 @@ + + AR= ${OUT}/bsdsignal.o ${OUT}/cursor.o ${OUT}/edin.o \ + ${OUT}/fnct_key.o ${OUT}/halloc.o ${OUT}/openpty.o \ +- ${OUT}/pixmap.o ${OUT}/prt.o ${OUT}/sockio-c.o \ +- ${OUT}/spadcolors.o ${OUT}/util.o ${OUT}/wct.o \ +- ${OUT}/XDither.o ${OUT}/XShade.o ${OUT}/XSpadFill.o ++ ${OUT}/pixmap.o ${OUT}/prt.o \ ++ ++# ${OUT}/sockio-c.o ${OUT}/spadcolors.o ${OUT}/util.o ${OUT}/XDither.o +${OUT}/XShade.o ++# ${OUT}/wct.o ${OUT}/XSpadFill.o + + OTHER= ${OUT}/cfuns-c.o + +@@ -130,7 +131,7 @@ + ${OUT}/bsdsignal.o: ${MID}/bsdsignal.c + @echo 3 making ${OUT}/bsdsignal.o from ${MID}/bsdsignal.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/bsdsignal.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/bsdsignal.c ) + + @ + +@@ -164,7 +165,7 @@ + ${OUT}/cfuns-c.o: ${MID}/cfuns-c.c + @echo 6 making ${OUT}/cfuns-c.o from ${MID}/cfuns-c.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/cfuns-c.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/cfuns-c.c ) + + @ + +@@ -193,7 +194,7 @@ + ${OUT}/cursor.o: ${MID}/cursor.c + @echo 9 making ${OUT}/cursor.o from ${MID}/cursor.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/cursor.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/cursor.c ) + + @ + +@@ -222,7 +223,7 @@ + ${OUT}/edin.o: ${MID}/edin.c + @echo 12 making ${OUT}/edin.o from ${MID}/edin.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/edin.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/edin.c ) + + @ + +@@ -251,7 +252,7 @@ + ${OUT}/fnct_key.o: ${MID}/fnct_key.c + @echo 15 making ${OUT}/fnct_key.o from ${MID}/fnct_key.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/fnct_key.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/fnct_key.c ) + + @ + +@@ -280,7 +281,7 @@ + ${OUT}/halloc.o: ${MID}/halloc.c + @echo 18 making ${OUT}/halloc.o from ${MID}/halloc.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/halloc.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/halloc.c ) + + @ + +@@ -309,7 +310,7 @@ + ${OUT}/openpty.o: ${MID}/openpty.c + @echo 21 making ${OUT}/openpty.o from ${MID}/openpty.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/openpty.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/openpty.c ) + + @ + +@@ -338,7 +339,7 @@ + ${OUT}/pixmap.o: ${MID}/pixmap.c + @echo 24 making ${OUT}/pixmap.o from ${MID}/pixmap.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/pixmap.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/pixmap.c ) + + @ + +@@ -367,7 +368,7 @@ + ${OUT}/prt.o: ${MID}/prt.c + @echo 27 making ${OUT}/prt.o from ${MID}/prt.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/prt.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/prt.c ) + + @ + +@@ -401,7 +402,7 @@ + ${OUT}/sockio-c.o: ${MID}/sockio-c.c + @echo 30 making ${OUT}/sockio-c.o from ${MID}/sockio-c.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/sockio-c.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/sockio-c.c ) + + @ + +@@ -430,7 +431,7 @@ + ${OUT}/spadcolors.o: ${MID}/spadcolors.c + @echo 33 making ${OUT}/spadcolors.o from ${MID}/spadcolors.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/spadcolors.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/spadcolors.c ) + + @ + +@@ -460,7 +461,7 @@ + ${OUT}/util.o: ${MID}/util.c + @echo 36 making ${OUT}/util.o from ${MID}/util.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/util.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/util.c ) + + @ + +@@ -489,7 +490,7 @@ + ${OUT}/wct.o: ${MID}/wct.c + @echo 39 making ${OUT}/wct.o from ${MID}/wct.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/wct.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/wct.c ) + + @ + +@@ -518,7 +519,7 @@ + ${OUT}/XDither.o: ${MID}/XDither.c + @echo 42 making ${OUT}/XDither.o from ${MID}/XDither.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/XDither.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/XDither.c ) + + @ + +@@ -547,7 +548,7 @@ + ${OUT}/XShade.o: ${MID}/XShade.c + @echo 45 making ${OUT}/XShade.o from ${MID}/XShade.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/XShade.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/XShade.c ) + + @ + +@@ -576,7 +577,7 @@ + ${OUT}/XSpadFill.o: ${MID}/XSpadFill.c + @echo 48 making ${OUT}/XSpadFill.o from ${MID}/XSpadFill.c + @( cd ${OUT} ; \ +- gcc -c -I${INC} ${MID}/XSpadFill.c ) ++ gcc -c -D${PLF} -I${INC} ${MID}/XSpadFill.c ) + + @ + + +Here are some preliminary patches to the C code that +we can compile under Windows. + +diff -Naur -xint -x*.dvi -xgcl-2.6.1 -xCVS -xbin -xobj -xnoweb -xgcldir +axiom-save/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet axiom/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet +--- axiom-save/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet Fri Oct 24 00:48:35 2003 ++++ axiom/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet Thu Oct 23 20:13:46 2003 +@@ -44,6 +44,9 @@ + SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. + */ + @ ++\section{Windows} ++The signal function is not available under Windows. ++ + <<*>>= + <> + +@@ -64,6 +67,9 @@ + bsdSignal(int sig,SignalHandlerFunc action,int restartSystemCall) + #endif + { ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++ return (SignalHandlerFunc) -1; ++#else + struct sigaction in,out; + in.sa_handler = action; + /* handler is reinstalled - calls are restarted if restartSystemCall */ +@@ -81,6 +87,7 @@ + + return (sigaction(sig, &in, &out) ? (SignalHandlerFunc) -1 : + (SignalHandlerFunc) out.sa_handler); ++#endif + } + @ + \eject + + +diff -Naur -xint -x*.dvi -xgcl-2.6.1 -xCVS -xbin -xobj -xnoweb -xgcldir +axiom-save/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet axiom/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet +--- axiom-save/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet Fri Oct 24 00:48:35 2003 ++++ axiom/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet Thu Oct 23 22:05:52 2003 +@@ -168,23 +168,29 @@ + if (geteuid() == buf.st_uid) { + return (2 * ((buf.st_mode & S_IWUSR) != 0)); + } ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + else if (getegid() == buf.st_gid) { + return (2 * ((buf.st_mode & S_IWGRP) != 0)); + } + else { + return (2 * ((buf.st_mode & S_IWOTH) != 0)); + } ++#endif + } + } + else if (geteuid() == buf.st_uid) { + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWUSR) != 0); + } ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + else if (getegid() == buf.st_gid) { + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWGRP) != 0); + } + else { + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWOTH) != 0); + } ++#endif + } + + +@@ -206,12 +212,15 @@ + else if (geteuid() == buf.st_uid) { + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IREAD) != 0); + } ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + else if (getegid() == buf.st_gid) { + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IRGRP) != 0); + } + else { + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IROTH) != 0); + } ++#endif + } + + +diff -Naur -xint -x*.dvi -xgcl-2.6.1 -xCVS -xbin -xobj -xnoweb -xgcldir +axiom-save/src/lib/fnct_key.c.pamphlet axiom/src/lib/fnct_key.c.pamphlet +--- axiom-save/src/lib/fnct_key.c.pamphlet Fri Oct 24 00:48:35 2003 ++++ axiom/src/lib/fnct_key.c.pamphlet Thu Oct 23 20:42:02 2003 +@@ -44,9 +44,14 @@ + SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. + */ + @ ++\section{Windows} ++These functions are not implemented in Windows. ++ + <<*>>= + <> + ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + #include "useproto.h" + + #include +@@ -83,7 +88,7 @@ + static char *defaulteditor = "clefedit"; + char editorfilename[100]; + +- ++#endif + + /* + * The following function environment variable clef editor. The command +@@ -97,6 +102,8 @@ + set_editor_key(void ) + #endif + { ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + int pid; + + sprintf(editorfilename, "/tmp/clef%d", pid = getpid()); +@@ -105,6 +112,7 @@ + (function_key[12]).type = SPECIAL; + (function_key[12]).str = defaulteditor; + } ++#endif + } + + +@@ -121,6 +129,8 @@ + If found it gets the key bindings from within + *****/ + { ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + char *HOME, path[1024], string[1024]; + int key; + int fd; +@@ -187,6 +197,7 @@ + * Now set the editor function key + */ + set_editor_key(); ++#endif + } + + +@@ -201,7 +212,8 @@ + get_key(int fd,char * ty) + #endif + { +- ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + /* + * Determines the key number being mapped, and whether it is immediate +or + * delay. It reurns the key value, and modifies the parameter type +@@ -221,6 +233,7 @@ + } + } + else ++#endif + return 0; + } + +@@ -233,6 +246,9 @@ + get_str(int fd,char * string) + #endif + { ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++ return 0; ++#else + /** Gets the key mapping being bound **/ + char c; + int count = 0; +@@ -249,6 +265,7 @@ + } + *trace = '\0'; + return count; ++#endif + } + + void +@@ -270,6 +287,8 @@ + handle_function_key(int key,int chann) + #endif + { ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + /** this procedure simply adds the string specified by the function key + to the buffer ****/ + int count, fd; +@@ -391,7 +410,7 @@ + break; + } + return; +- ++#endif + } + @ + \eject + + +diff -Naur -xint -x*.dvi -xgcl-2.6.1 -xCVS -xbin -xobj -xnoweb -xgcldir +axiom-save/src/lib/pixmap.c.pamphlet axiom/src/lib/pixmap.c.pamphlet +--- axiom-save/src/lib/pixmap.c.pamphlet Fri Oct 24 00:48:35 2003 ++++ axiom/src/lib/pixmap.c.pamphlet Thu Oct 23 21:07:00 2003 +@@ -44,28 +44,30 @@ + SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. + */ + @ ++/section{Windows} ++The function pixmap are not available under Windows/MSYS. ++@ + <<*>>= + <> +- + #include "useproto.h" +- ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + #include + #include + #include +-#include +-#include + #include +- +-#define yes 1 +-#define no 0 +- +- +- + #include "spadcolors.h" + + #include "pixmap.H1" + #include "halloc.H1" + #include "spadcolors.H1" ++#endif ++#include ++#include ++ ++#define yes 1 ++#define no 0 ++ + + + +@@ -303,9 +305,9 @@ + + #else /*OLD*/ + +- ++#if defined(MSYSplatform) ++#else + #include "xpm.h" +- + int + #ifdef _NO_PROTO + read_pixmap_file(display, screen, filename, xi, width, height) +@@ -369,11 +371,11 @@ + xi = XGetImage(dsp, wid, x, y, width, height, AllPlanes, ZPixmap); + if (xi==0) return ; + status=XpmWriteFileFromImage(dsp,fn,xi,0,0); +- + } + + + #endif ++#endif + + +Here is the mingw.defs patch that is referred to above. + +diff -Naur -xint -x*.dvi -xgcl-2.6.1 -xCVS -xbin -xobj -xnoweb -xgcldir +axiom-save/zips/gcl-2.6.1.h.mingw.defs.patch +axiom/zips/gcl-2.6.1.h.mingw.defs.patch +--- axiom-save/zips/gcl-2.6.1.h.mingw.defs.patch Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 +1969 ++++ axiom/zips/gcl-2.6.1.h.mingw.defs.patch Fri Oct 24 00:11:42 2003 +@@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ ++--- mingw.defs Thu Oct 23 23:21:39 2003 +++++ mingw.defs-new Thu Oct 23 23:26:46 2003 ++@@ -5,7 +5,8 @@ ++ # ++ ++ SHELL = sh ++- +++EXTRAS = ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/cfuns-c.o +++# ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/sockio-c.o ++ OFLAG = -O ++ LIBS += -lwsock32 ++ LIBC = + +------------------------ + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 04:59:03 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACxmg-0002an-Ok + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:59:02 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACxhG-00010T-Vi + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:53:26 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ACxgb-0000rD-Bq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:53:16 -0400 +Received: from [194.167.30.129] (helo=min.univ-orleans.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACxgT-0000pD-7f + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:52:37 -0400 +Received: from gremi78 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by min.univ-orleans.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP + id 2CD1012AE57; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:52:36 +0200 (CEST) +From: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +To: "Page, Bill" +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:55:07 +0200 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 +Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable +Message-ID: <3F99050B.20466.61A811@localhost> +Priority: normal +In-reply-to: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BD@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] RE: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:59:00 -0000 + +Hello Bill, + +> > http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/stable-binary/gcl_2.6.1.min +> > gw32_japi_xdr_20030929.zip +> > +> > Unzip it and run the install program. It installed and +> > runs under Windows XP for me with no problems (although +> > an earlier version did fail on the install unless you +> > installed it into a directory named c:/lang). +> > +> +> I have just tried this and I see that the problem with the +> install directory still exists. When the install scripts +> asks where you want to install GCL, tell it +> +> c:/lang/gcl261 +> +> instead of the default, then the install will complete +> normally. + +Yes you are right, the script that creates gcl.bat during the installation= + +seems to be broken? The only difference I saw between an installation in +c:\lang\gcl261 and another directory is that the c:\lang\gcl261\bin +directory contains 2 more files gcl.bat and gcl.pif. If for some reason +specific to Axiom you need to use gcl from another directory than +lang/gcl261, it seems that you can just move the whole directory +c:\lang\gcl261 to your new directory, and add the following file gcl.bat +in directory "NewDirectory\bin" (with the example directory +C:\programs\gcl-2.6.1): + +------------------- gcl.bat +@echo off +rem Define the main directory of gcl +set W$=3Dc:\programs\gcl-2.6.1 +rem set C_INCLUDE_PATH=3D%W$%\lib\gcl-2.6.1\h +path %W$%\mingw\bin;%PATH% +start %W$%\lib\gcl-2.6.1\unixport\saved_gcl.exe -dir %W$%/lib/gcl- +2.6.1/unixport/ -libdir %W$%/lib/gcl-2.6.1/ -eval "(setq si::*allow- +gzipped-file* t)" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 +------------------- End of gcl.bat + +This works for me on Windows 98SE, I suppose it would run too under any +version of Windows NT (4.0, 2000 or XP) + +It think one can comment the line with C_INCLUDE_PATH, at least as long as= + +gcl.bat just runs the executable for gcl. I don't think the env variable +for gcc compiler is of any use to run the executable? Or is it for some +reason I am unaware of ?. Anyway, on Win98, gcl can be run without this +var being defined. + +Best wishes, + +Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX +ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX +liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr +Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu +"sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 07:37:49 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0GL-0000Yc-33 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:37:49 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0GH-0000Y1-Ts + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:37:45 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0Fk-0000SZ-Qb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:37:43 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD09Z-0007Zf-5p; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:30:49 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AD09G-0004Go-00; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:30:30 -0400 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] GCL-2.5.2 build +References: <200310240352.h9O3qcM16338@localhost.localdomain> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 24 Oct 2003 07:30:30 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <200310240352.h9O3qcM16338@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: <54wuaukh49.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 37 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:37:46 -0000 + +Hi Tim! Yes, this gcc-3.3 specific warning/default optimization +setting was addressed in 2.5.4 and later. As you note, the old code +does not in fact appear to break with gcc-3.3, however. + +Take care, + +root writes: + +> Camm, +> +> The version I'm porting to the various HP systems is GCL-2.5.2 +> (mostly because I'm doing many things in parallel and 2.6.1 +> is on a different thread of work). +> +> I get warnings (not errors) of the form: +> +> cmpcall.c: In function `LnkTL124': +> cmpcall.c:1949: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules +> +> The message is output hundreds of times during the build for many files. +> It does not seem to affect the result but I'm passing it along anyway. +> +> Tim +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 07:40:11 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0Ic-00011d-Pq + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:40:10 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0IZ-000108-VD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:40:07 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0I1-0000sQ-5n + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:40:05 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD07q-0007H5-V8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:29:03 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (163.183.252.64.snet.net [64.252.183.163]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9OBT0l0080064 + for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:29:00 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OBScC17012; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:28:38 -0400 +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:28:38 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310241128.h9OBScC17012@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] regression testing, macro table +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:40:08 -0000 + +*, + +I previously broke the util.ht file. Somehow I clipped out the +stanza that walks into that subdirectory. That's been fixed. + +I put up an early-release version of regression testing. +Basically it works as follows: + +* the final build completes +* the input files are generated +* a Makefile is generated in int/input +* the Makefile is invoked which + - runs the input files + - saves the output + +If you look at the Makefile (the source is in src/input/Makefile.pamphlet +under the <> chunk you can see that I've classified the +working/failing input files by type of failure. That way we have a larger +set of test cases for chasing a particular failure type. + +"Failing" means that it causes a lisp break. "Working" means it doesn't. + +Note that some of the "working" input files are still buggy for 2 reasons. +First, the names of the types or operators have changed so the input file +function fail to execute. Second, the input fails because it is supposed +to fail. That is, the input file is demonstrating a bug or intentionally +incorrect code. Failures can be found in the output by searching for +"Daly bug" messages The name is a holdover from scratchpad and was in +the NAG version. It is enabled by )set message test on. It exists so +I can automate detecting failures. + +The regression testing is cheesy and limp but it is a start. +The Computer Algebra Test Suite (CATS) effort will eventually +replace it. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 07:44:01 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0MK-0002L8-Nk + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:44:00 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0MI-0002Js-CJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:43:58 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0Lj-00024P-FW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:43:54 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD0Lh-00023l-LG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:43:21 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9OBh6Cn079399; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:43:06 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9OBh5ar079332; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:43:05 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:43:30 -0400 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C0@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:43:30 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] completion of algebra lattice +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:43:59 -0000 + +Tim, + +I just posted an update to the Axiom CVS that completes +the algegra lattice. I added two new layers layer22 and +layer23 for the last remaining uncompiled modules. There +were also a few typos in module names etc. that I cleared +up. Finally I also updated the daase files now that our +lattice is complete. + +So at long last the version of Axiom in the CVS has the +complete algebra. I tested it with some of the axiom +commands in the tutorial that previously failed. Everything +looks ok to me. + +Let me know if there are any problems. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 08:05:59 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0hV-0000QP-SF + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:05:53 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0hQ-0000OW-M6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:05:48 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD0gt-0000H1-F3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:05:46 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD0ff-0008NI-0N + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:03:59 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (163.183.252.64.snet.net [64.252.183.163]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9OC3kpM166838; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:03:46 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OC3Gk17074; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:03:16 -0400 +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:03:16 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310241203.h9OC3Gk17074@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +In-reply-to: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C0@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C0@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: completion of algebra lattice +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:05:51 -0000 + +Excellent. I've downloaded it and I'll try it here. + +I just added regression testing and now we can see if the input +files work with the new algebra. If you look in src/input/Makefile.pamphlet +for the <> chunk you can see the input files that break +with the new algebra. Adding the ${COMBF} variable to the all stanza +should test all of those input files that break because COMBF was missing. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 08:33:15 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD17z-0005Xu-2N + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:33:15 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD17w-0005XL-MN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:33:12 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD17K-0005R3-If + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:33:05 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD17K-0005Qz-7J + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:32:34 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (163.183.252.64.snet.net [64.252.183.163]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9OCWW5t241684; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:32:33 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OCWAG17105; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:32:10 -0400 +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:32:10 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310241232.h9OCWAG17105@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +Cc: +Subject: [Axiom-developer] ports +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:33:13 -0000 + +David, + +Axiom has been shown to build on: + +SuSE Linux Ent Svr 8.0 on Intel +ProLiant DL360 G2 2@1.4GHz + +I'll make the tgz of the executable available soon. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 13:03:32 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5LX-0000y5-Ra + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:03:31 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5LV-0000wh-7K + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:03:29 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5Ig-00086C-DZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:01:05 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD5Id-00084R-Sf + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:00:32 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9OH07aC022613; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:00:07 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9OH05ar022475; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:00:05 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:00:30 -0400 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C1@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:00:30 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:03:29 -0000 + +Tim, + +The new complete algebra lattice seems to run all of +the "regression tests" (including COMBF and the others) +without lisp failures. The only test that might have a +problem is + + lextripk (12) + +which seems like it goes into an infinite loop (it is +still running after 15 minutes) when it calls +grobner$lextripack. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:03 AM +> To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +> Cc: daly@idsi.net; axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: completion of algebra lattice +> +> +> Excellent. I've downloaded it and I'll try it here. +> +> I just added regression testing and now we can see if the +> input files work with the new algebra. If you look in +> src/input/Makefile.pamphlet for the <> +> chunk you can see the input files that break with the new +> algebra. Adding the ${COMBF} variable to the all stanza +> should test all of those input files that break because +> COMBF was missing. +> +> Tim +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 13:15:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5Wq-0000XC-1Q + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:15:12 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5Wn-0000We-Af + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:15:09 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5WF-0008SW-09 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:15:07 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD5WE-0008RG-Ib + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:14:34 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-9-190.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.14.159.190]) + by mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 902AC30003B1; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:14:33 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AD5WC-0000Nu-00; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:14:32 +0200 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <200310232220.h9NMKXP16084@localhost.localdomain> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:14:32 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310232220.h9NMKXP16084@localhost.localdomain> (daly@idsi.net's + message of "Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:20:33 -0400") +Message-ID: <87k76u7e2v.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom@tenkan.org, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:15:10 -0000 + +Hello Tim, + +I had properly updated my CVS tree before doing the make. + +root writes: + +> I believe that both you and David had a problem. +> I probably uploaded a bad Makefile.pamphlet. + +I think I have understood: there are both interp/Makefile and +interp/Makefile.pamphlet in the CVS, with the *same* date[1]. + +In the Makefile, INTERP.EXPOSED is present[2]. +In the Makefile.pamphlet, INTERP.EXPOSED is gone. + +As the date are the same, Makefile is not rebuild from +Makefile.pamphlet. Thus the wrong reference to INTERP.EXPOSED. + + => Erasing src/interp/Makefile solve the issue. + + +Conclusion: we should erase from CVS the following files: + +lsp/ccl/src/axbase/Makefile +lsp/ccl/src/Makefile +lsp/ccl/src/boot/Makefile +lsp/ccl/src/caxbase/Makefile +lsp/ccl/src/cclbase/Makefile +lsp/ccl/src/cslbase/Makefile +lsp/ccl/src/scripts/Makefile +lsp/ccl/src/util/Makefile +lsp/ccl/Makefile +lsp/Makefile +src/algebra/Makefile +src/Makefile +src/boot/Makefile +src/doc/Makefile +src/etc/Makefile +src/include/Makefile +src/input/Makefile +src/interp/Makefile +src/lib/Makefile +src/scripts/Makefile +src/share/Makefile + +(notice that I propose to keep the root Makefile*. We have already +discussed that before) + +Yours, +d. + +[1] At least in my clean CVS tree. I don't know if this behavior is due + to CVS or due to my own use of CVS. + +[2] See http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/axiom/axiom/src/interp/Makefile?rev=1.3&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 13:19:21 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5ar-0002PT-8L + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:19:21 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5ap-0002Ol-Ei + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:19:19 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5aJ-0001gN-LH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:19:18 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=mwinf0603.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD5aJ-0001gF-AM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:18:47 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-9-190.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.14.159.190]) + by mwinf0603.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 6C22E2400142; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:18:46 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AD5aH-0000OD-00; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:18:45 +0200 +To: Tim Daly +References: <200310240327.h9O3RXd16311@localhost.localdomain> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:18:45 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <200310240327.h9O3RXd16311@localhost.localdomain> (daly@idsi.net's + message of "Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:27:33 -0400") +Message-ID: <87fzhi7dvu.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: ports +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:19:20 -0000 + +root writes: + +> Could you update the "ports" webpage? + +Done. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 13:29:45 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5kv-0007ey-4S + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:29:45 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5kt-0007ee-Ds + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:29:43 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD5kN-0007Sa-En + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:29:42 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=mwinf0203.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD5kN-0007Rx-2j + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:29:11 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-9-190.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.14.159.190]) + by mwinf0203.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id F181B1000252; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:29:09 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AD5kL-0000P1-00; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:29:09 +0200 +To: "Page, Bill" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C1@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:29:08 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C1@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill Page's message of "Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:00:30 -0400") +Message-ID: <873cdi7dej.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'daly@idsi.net'" +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:29:44 -0000 + +Hello Bill, + +"Page, Bill" writes: + +> The new complete algebra lattice seems to run all of +> the "regression tests" (including COMBF and the others) +> without lisp failures. + +If you have time, you can close the corresponding bugs on savannah. + +Otherwise, you can give me a list of bug that might be closed and I'll +double-check. + +Yours, +d. + +PS : Many thanks for updating the algebra. The path is now open to our + first stable release. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 13:49:26 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD63x-00008Q-KD + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:49:25 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD63s-00006M-Mv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:49:20 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD63M-0008Ps-It + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:49:19 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD63M-0008Oy-7J + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:48:48 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9OHmSv05010; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:48:28 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9OH9Kv24243; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:09:20 -0400 +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:09:20 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310241709.h9OH9Kv24243@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] algebra completion +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:49:22 -0000 + +Bill, + +I did a checkout and build. My build blows up during the algebra compiles +at NODE1.spad. Does this compile for you? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 13:50:08 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD64X-0000K3-Rd + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:50:01 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD64T-0000HW-Fn + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:49:57 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD63t-00006b-22 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:49:53 -0400 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD63s-00006E-FZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:49:20 -0400 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9OHn6v05014; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:49:06 -0400 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9OH9xE24250; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:09:59 -0400 +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:09:59 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310241709.h9OH9xE24250@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] algebra completion +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:50:00 -0000 + +David, + +I agree about removing the non-root Makefiles. +I'll do that tonight. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 14:18:56 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD6WV-0007st-Gk + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:18:55 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD6WS-0007pR-S1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:18:52 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD6Vw-0007HH-SO + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:18:51 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD6Vw-0007HE-Fi + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:18:20 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9OIIJqY014859; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:18:19 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9OIIGar014582; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:18:16 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:18:41 -0400 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C2@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Tim Daly'" +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:18:40 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: algebra completion +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:18:53 -0000 + +Tim, + +That's odd. NODE1.o is in layer21. I did not +change anything in layers21 and below. + +Yes, it compiled for me with no problem. I have +a file called NODE1.o in mnt/linux/algebra. + +Usual questions: Did you start from zero? +What linux flavor? +What kind of "blows up"? + +Bill. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Tim Daly [mailto:daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu] +> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:09 PM +> To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: algebra completion +> +> +> Bill, +> +> I did a checkout and build. My build blows up during +> the algebra compiles at NODE1.spad. Does this compile +> for you? +> +> Tim +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 14:21:45 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD6ZF-0008Q0-7m + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:45 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD6ZC-0008PJ-F8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:42 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD6Yg-0008L3-HM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:41 -0400 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD6Yg-0008Ky-4K + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:10 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9OIL9qx018056; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:09 -0400 (EDT) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9OIL8ar017989; + Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:33 -0400 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C3@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Tim Daly'" +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:32 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: algebra completion +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:21:43 -0000 + +Tim, + +On Friday, October 24, 2003 1:09 PM you wrote: +> +> I did a checkout and build. My build blows up during +> the algebra compiles at NODE1.spad. Does this compile +> for you? + +Maybe it's a daase problem? Can you try reverting to the +database files from the previous version? + +Bill. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 15:45:49 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD7sa-0001n4-8Y + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:45:48 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD7sR-0001cM-Hh + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:45:39 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AD7ro-0000lJ-7j + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:45:31 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0801.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD7rf-0000PE-O5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:44:51 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-9-190.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.14.159.190]) + by mwinf0801.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id A2B6618000AB; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:44:50 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AD7rY-0000Sz-00; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:44:44 +0200 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:44:44 +0200 +Message-ID: <87ptgm5sk3.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Another failing build on EFUPXS: GCL 2.6.1 issue?? +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:45:46 -0000 + +Hello, + +Sorry to bother you once again. It appears that my build fails once +again on EFUPXS.spad (for latest Axiom CVS): + +0 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.spad from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/src/algebra/efupxs.spad.pamphlet +0 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.NRLIB from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.spad + +(AXIOM Sockets) The AXIOM server number is undefined. +[...] + Loading + /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/ISTRING.o + for domain IndexedString +reloc for vs_overflow is overflowing + + >> System error: + Cannot get relocated section contents + + +protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) +(1) -> 0 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/EFUPXS.o from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.NRLIB +cp: cannot stat `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.NRLIB/code.o': No such file or directory +make[3]: *** [/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/EFUPXS.o] Error 1 +make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/src/algebra' +make[2]: *** [algebradir] Error 2 + + +Any idea on what can going wrong? Is the message "reloc for vs_overflow +is overflowing" informs of an issue with gcl? I found such an error +message in lsp/gcl-2.6.1/o/sfaslbdf.c. + +I'm building on Debian stable on PowerPC architecture. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 18:32:39 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADAU3-0003dd-0E + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:32:39 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADAPs-0001iy-IJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:28:20 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADANK-0000uW-95 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:26:13 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADAKr-0008TG-MJ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:23:09 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADAIU-0005EE-00; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:20:42 -0400 +To: David MENTRE +References: <87ptgm5sk3.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 24 Oct 2003 18:20:41 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <87ptgm5sk3.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Message-ID: <54r8121dmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 64 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Another failing build on EFUPXS: + GCL 2.6.1 issue?? +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:32:37 -0000 + +Greetings! + +ppc relocs are 24bit by default, unless you compile with the +-mlong-calls (or some such), first supported on ppc in gcc-3.3. The +configure script (at least on recent gcl, how recent I'm not sure), +should detect gcc-3.3 if present and add this option automatically. +Without it, loads on big images will lose. Ran into this with the +acl2 book verifications, which are now known to work with -mlong-call. + +Take care, + +David MENTRE writes: + +> Hello, +> +> Sorry to bother you once again. It appears that my build fails once +> again on EFUPXS.spad (for latest Axiom CVS): +> +> 0 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.spad from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/src/algebra/efupxs.spad.pamphlet +> 0 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.NRLIB from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.spad +> +> (AXIOM Sockets) The AXIOM server number is undefined. +> [...] +> Loading +> /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/ISTRING.o +> for domain IndexedString +> reloc for vs_overflow is overflowing +> +> >> System error: +> Cannot get relocated section contents +> +> +> protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) +> (1) -> 0 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/EFUPXS.o from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.NRLIB +> cp: cannot stat `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/int/algebra/EFUPXS.NRLIB/code.o': No such file or directory +> make[3]: *** [/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/EFUPXS.o] Error 1 +> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-powerpc/axiom/src/algebra' +> make[2]: *** [algebradir] Error 2 +> +> +> Any idea on what can going wrong? Is the message "reloc for vs_overflow +> is overflowing" informs of an issue with gcl? I found such an error +> message in lsp/gcl-2.6.1/o/sfaslbdf.c. +> +> I'm building on Debian stable on PowerPC architecture. +> +> Yours, +> d. +> -- +> David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Gcl-devel mailing list +> Gcl-devel@gnu.org +> http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 03:05:35 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADIUP-0000EI-Hh + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:05:33 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADIUF-0000De-Cp + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:05:23 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADITi-0000Ch-Pj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:05:21 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.30] (helo=mwinf0103.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADITi-0000CY-CT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:04:50 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-32-96.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.248.98.96]) + by mwinf0103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id E72871BFFF27; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:04:48 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADITf-0000Ij-00; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:04:47 +0200 +To: Camm Maguire +References: <87ptgm5sk3.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <54r8121dmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:04:47 +0200 +In-Reply-To: <54r8121dmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (Camm Maguire's message + of "24 Oct 2003 18:20:41 -0400") +Message-ID: <87ekx1ztkg.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Another failing build on EFUPXS: + GCL 2.6.1 issue?? +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:05:28 -0000 + +Camm Maguire writes: + +> ppc relocs are 24bit by default, unless you compile with the +> -mlong-calls (or some such), first supported on ppc in gcc-3.3. +[...] +> Without it, loads on big images will lose. Ran into this with the + +Ouch! So if I read you correclty, you mean I can't compile Axiom on my +Debian stable/gcc 2.95.4 powerpc machine? + +A possible workaround: could I compile Axiom, statically linked, on a +powerpc machine with gcc-3.3 and then execute it on my powerpc debian +stable? + +Another possible workaround: would it work with gcl-2.5.2 on my debian +stable (gcc 2.95.4)? + + +While I'm asking questions on gcl, do I need to recompile everything +from scratch if I switch gcl version used to compile Axiom (from +gcl-2.5.2 -> gcl-2.6.1)? + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 03:30:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADIsj-0004lA-6I + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:30:41 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADIsd-0004gw-3G + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:30:35 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADIs6-0004Hh-3u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:30:34 -0400 +Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADIs5-0004Gt-IR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:30:01 -0400 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-32-96.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.248.98.96]) + by mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 5A0A5A400187; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:30:00 +0200 (CEST) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADIs3-0002Ry-00; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:29:59 +0200 +To: gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:29:58 +0200 +Message-ID: <87ad7pzseh.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Which option to maximize architecture portability + on gcl-2.6.1 +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:30:38 -0000 + +Hello Camm, + +I have yet another question on gcl-2.6.1. I noticed that my current +gcl-2.6.1 on my Celeron machine is using the -march=pentiumpro gcc +flag. + +In the eventuality where I would like to compile a static version of +Axiom portable on any usable x86 machine (pentium or greater), which +option should I give to gcl configure to have something like -march=i586 +given to gcc? + +In other words, even if I compile Axiom with gcl-2.6.1 on latest Athlon +or Pentium 4 machine, I would like to have a binary runnable on any x86 +machine (except maybe i486 and i386). + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 11:02:40 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADPw3-0003kR-2T + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:02:35 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADPvx-0003c2-8C + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:02:29 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADPrx-0001bJ-6l + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:58:53 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADPrm-0001B3-Bb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:58:10 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (71.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.71]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9PEw2l0123274; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:58:02 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9PEvdb18251; + Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:57:39 -0400 +Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:57:39 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310251457.h9PEvdb18251@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +In-reply-to: <873cdi7dej.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (message from David MENTRE on Fri, 24 + Oct 2003 19:29:08 +0200) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C1@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <873cdi7dej.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Cc: daly@idsi.net, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + bill.page1@sympatico.ca +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:02:33 -0000 + +Bill, + +I re-downloaded the CVS copy and did a build from scratch overnight. +It appears that the system won't build from CVS at the moment. +Try building from a clean CVS download and see if it works for you. +If not I think we need to back out the changes until we figure it out. + +I was not able to complete the lattice because I ran into database problems. +The new databases don't seem to be able to rebuild the system. +It looks like you tripped across the same bug. + +I first found the database problem when I tried to use a newly built system +complete the algebra. It turned out that the newly built system couldn't +compile the older code. I suspect there has been a change to the database +code and I'm looking into the problem. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 11:26:37 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQJJ-00032D-GT + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:26:37 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQJH-00031g-8K + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:26:35 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQIl-0002x7-FB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:26:34 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQID-0002ar-Of; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:25:29 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADQEv-0007UY-00; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:22:05 -0400 +To: David MENTRE +References: <87ad7pzseh.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 25 Oct 2003 11:22:05 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <87ad7pzseh.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Message-ID: <54wuat2vhe.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 46 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Which option to maximize + architecture portability on gcl-2.6.1 +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:26:35 -0000 + +Greetings! If memory serves, gcc doesn't (yet) emit ISA extension +instructions with any flag setting. If this is the case, what you +have is fine. To be safe, you can redefine the compiler::*cc* +variable as desired (e.g. just omit any march setting). + +The stock Debian gcl does not have an march gcc flag setting. If you +build gcl yourself, and have a CFLAGS environment variable set, and +march setting could be thus captured. + +Take care, + +David MENTRE writes: + +> Hello Camm, +> +> I have yet another question on gcl-2.6.1. I noticed that my current +> gcl-2.6.1 on my Celeron machine is using the -march=pentiumpro gcc +> flag. +> +> In the eventuality where I would like to compile a static version of +> Axiom portable on any usable x86 machine (pentium or greater), which +> option should I give to gcl configure to have something like -march=i586 +> given to gcc? +> +> In other words, even if I compile Axiom with gcl-2.6.1 on latest Athlon +> or Pentium 4 machine, I would like to have a binary runnable on any x86 +> machine (except maybe i486 and i386). +> +> Yours, +> d. +> -- +> david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Gcl-devel mailing list +> Gcl-devel@gnu.org +> http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 11:32:07 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQOd-0006Vs-87 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:32:07 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQOZ-0006VV-Um + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:32:03 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQO2-0005z0-W5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:32:02 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQO2-0005yx-Je; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:31:30 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADQKg-0007Vx-00; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:28:02 -0400 +To: David MENTRE +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Another failing build on + EFUPXS: GCL 2.6.1 issue?? +References: <87ptgm5sk3.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <54r8121dmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <87ekx1ztkg.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 25 Oct 2003 11:28:02 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <87ekx1ztkg.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Message-ID: <54smlh2v7h.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 68 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:32:05 -0000 + +Greetings! + +David MENTRE writes: + +> Camm Maguire writes: +> +> > ppc relocs are 24bit by default, unless you compile with the +> > -mlong-calls (or some such), first supported on ppc in gcc-3.3. +> [...] +> > Without it, loads on big images will lose. Ran into this with the +> +> Ouch! So if I read you correclty, you mean I can't compile Axiom on my +> Debian stable/gcc 2.95.4 powerpc machine? +> + +Most likely not. On ppc, you'll be much happier with gcc-3.3. You +can apt-get -q -b source it, 'apt pin' it (probably the easiest), or +set up an unstable debian chroot anvironment. + +> A possible workaround: could I compile Axiom, statically linked, on a +> powerpc machine with gcc-3.3 and then execute it on my powerpc debian +> stable? +> + +This will work as long as you don't compile any further modules on +stable. Make sure the compiler::*cc* variable has not hardcoded +gcc-3.3. + +> Another possible workaround: would it work with gcl-2.5.2 on my debian +> stable (gcc 2.95.4)? +> + +This is not a gcl issue, but a gcc one. I.e. the problem exists with +all gcl on top of gcc < 3.3. + +> +> While I'm asking questions on gcl, do I need to recompile everything +> from scratch if I switch gcl version used to compile Axiom (from +> gcl-2.5.2 -> gcl-2.6.1)? +> + +Should not be necessary to recompile the axiom modules, but you will +need to ensure that all the intermediary images are build atop the new +gcl. + +BTW, you know that there is a pre-built Debian axiom package for ppc +(unstable)? + +Take care, + +> Yours, +> d. +> -- +> david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 11:32:38 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQP7-0006aW-Qc + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:32:37 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQP3-0006Zo-S8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:32:33 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADQOW-0006Ry-St + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:32:32 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADQOW-0006R9-Cs + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:32:00 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADQOJ-0007WT-00; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:31:47 -0400 +To: "Mike Thomas" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] RE: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +References: <3F99050B.20466.61A811@localhost> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 25 Oct 2003 11:31:47 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <3F99050B.20466.61A811@localhost> +Message-ID: <54oew52v18.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 79 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Cc: "Page, Bill" , axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:32:34 -0000 + +Greetings! Mike, do you have a moment to upload a binary without the +path hard-coding? + +Take care, + +michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr writes: + +> Hello Bill, +> +> > > http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/stable-binary/gcl_2.6.1.min +> > > gw32_japi_xdr_20030929.zip +> > > +> > > Unzip it and run the install program. It installed and +> > > runs under Windows XP for me with no problems (although +> > > an earlier version did fail on the install unless you +> > > installed it into a directory named c:/lang). +> > > +> > +> > I have just tried this and I see that the problem with the +> > install directory still exists. When the install scripts +> > asks where you want to install GCL, tell it +> > +> > c:/lang/gcl261 +> > +> > instead of the default, then the install will complete +> > normally. +> +> Yes you are right, the script that creates gcl.bat during the installatio= +n +> seems to be broken? The only difference I saw between an installation in= + +> c:\lang\gcl261 and another directory is that the c:\lang\gcl261\bin +> directory contains 2 more files gcl.bat and gcl.pif. If for some reason +> specific to Axiom you need to use gcl from another directory than +> lang/gcl261, it seems that you can just move the whole directory +> c:\lang\gcl261 to your new directory, and add the following file gcl.bat= + +> in directory "NewDirectory\bin" (with the example directory +> C:\programs\gcl-2.6.1): +> +> ------------------- gcl.bat +> @echo off +> rem Define the main directory of gcl +> set W$=3Dc:\programs\gcl-2.6.1 +> rem set C_INCLUDE_PATH=3D%W$%\lib\gcl-2.6.1\h +> path %W$%\mingw\bin;%PATH% +> start %W$%\lib\gcl-2.6.1\unixport\saved_gcl.exe -dir %W$%/lib/gcl- +> 2.6.1/unixport/ -libdir %W$%/lib/gcl-2.6.1/ -eval "(setq si::*allow- +> gzipped-file* t)" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 +> ------------------- End of gcl.bat +> +> This works for me on Windows 98SE, I suppose it would run too under any +> version of Windows NT (4.0, 2000 or XP) +> +> It think one can comment the line with C_INCLUDE_PATH, at least as long a= +s +> gcl.bat just runs the executable for gcl. I don't think the env variable= + +> for gcc compiler is of any use to run the executable? Or is it for some +> reason I am unaware of ?. Anyway, on Win98, gcl can be run without this= + +> var being defined. +> +> Best wishes, +> +> Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +> http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX +> ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX +> liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr +> Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu +> "sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 12:42:06 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADRUM-00057M-5M + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:42:06 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADRUJ-000541-GL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:42:03 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADRTn-0004Ys-CH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:42:02 -0400 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADRTm-0004Yo-TK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:41:30 -0400 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADRQ9-0007dO-00; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:37:45 -0400 +To: David MENTRE +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <200310232220.h9NMKXP16084@localhost.localdomain> + <87k76u7e2v.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 25 Oct 2003 12:37:45 -0400 +In-Reply-To: <87k76u7e2v.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Message-ID: <54smlhqnmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 95 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, daly@idsi.net, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:42:04 -0000 + +Greetings! BTW, there are several other files I had to add manually +to the clean target of debian/rules in the Debian package to make sure +that a clean,build,clean cycle returns to the same point: + + rm -f lsp/Makefile.dvi src/algebra/Makefile.dvi src/input/Makefile.dvi obj/noweb/contrib/kostas/Makefile obj/noweb/src/c/notangle.o obj/noweb/src/c/getline.o obj/noweb/src/c/match.o obj/noweb/src/c/modules.o obj/noweb/src/c/modtrees.o obj/noweb/src/c/strsave.o obj/noweb/src/c/main.o obj/noweb/src/c/errors.o obj/noweb/src/c/columns.o obj/noweb/src/c/nt obj/noweb/src/c/markmain.o obj/noweb/src/c/markup.o obj/noweb/src/c/markup obj/noweb/src/c/mnt.o obj/noweb/src/c/mnt obj/noweb/src/c/finduses.o obj/noweb/src/c/recognize.o obj/noweb/src/c/finduses mnt/bin/lib/nt mnt/bin/lib/markup mnt/bin/lib/mnt mnt/bin/lib/finduses mnt/bin/Makefile.dvi Makefile.dvi src/Makefile.dvi src/interp/Makefile.dvi src/doc/Makefile.dvi + +There are also several scripts intalled by default under mnt/linux, +(several of which I'm guessing are an oversight at present), but +which, if shipped, need to be executable (for Debian policy at least:) + + cd debian/axiom && chmod -x ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/lib/nwmtime ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/tex/axiom.sty ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/axiom.sty ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/tail ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/htmltoc ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/Makefile ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/boxup ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/Makefile.pamphlet ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/head ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/bin/showdvi ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/algebra/topics.data ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/doc/msgs/s2-us.msgs ./usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/algebra/gloss.text + + +There also are (or were) CVS directories installed which had to be +removed by hand. + +Very minor issues, so don't anyone spend too many brain cycles here! + +Take care, + + + +David MENTRE writes: + +> Hello Tim, +> +> I had properly updated my CVS tree before doing the make. +> +> root writes: +> +> > I believe that both you and David had a problem. +> > I probably uploaded a bad Makefile.pamphlet. +> +> I think I have understood: there are both interp/Makefile and +> interp/Makefile.pamphlet in the CVS, with the *same* date[1]. +> +> In the Makefile, INTERP.EXPOSED is present[2]. +> In the Makefile.pamphlet, INTERP.EXPOSED is gone. +> +> As the date are the same, Makefile is not rebuild from +> Makefile.pamphlet. Thus the wrong reference to INTERP.EXPOSED. +> +> => Erasing src/interp/Makefile solve the issue. +> +> +> Conclusion: we should erase from CVS the following files: +> +> lsp/ccl/src/axbase/Makefile +> lsp/ccl/src/Makefile +> lsp/ccl/src/boot/Makefile +> lsp/ccl/src/caxbase/Makefile +> lsp/ccl/src/cclbase/Makefile +> lsp/ccl/src/cslbase/Makefile +> lsp/ccl/src/scripts/Makefile +> lsp/ccl/src/util/Makefile +> lsp/ccl/Makefile +> lsp/Makefile +> src/algebra/Makefile +> src/Makefile +> src/boot/Makefile +> src/doc/Makefile +> src/etc/Makefile +> src/include/Makefile +> src/input/Makefile +> src/interp/Makefile +> src/lib/Makefile +> src/scripts/Makefile +> src/share/Makefile +> +> (notice that I propose to keep the root Makefile*. We have already +> discussed that before) +> +> Yours, +> d. +> +> [1] At least in my clean CVS tree. I don't know if this behavior is due +> to CVS or due to my own use of CVS. +> +> [2] See http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/axiom/axiom/src/interp/Makefile?rev=1.3&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup +> -- +> David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 12:42:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADRUx-0005Jt-BB + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:42:43 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADRUv-0005Jn-JS + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:42:41 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADRUP-000597-IY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:42:40 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.35] (helo=tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADRUP-00058k-0j + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:42:09 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031025164201.HSNC11704.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:42:01 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: +Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:42:04 -0400 +Message-ID: <000001c39b16$ee515800$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: <200310251457.h9PEvdb18251@localhost.localdomain> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:42:42 -0000 + +Tim, + +On Saturday, October 25, 2003 10:58 AM you wrote: +> +> I re-downloaded the CVS copy and did a build from scratch +> overnight. It appears that the system won't build from CVS at +> the moment. Try building from a clean CVS download and see if +> it works for you. If not I think we need to back out the +> changes until we figure it out. + +Ok, I am in the process of trying it again now on a different +machine. I built the whole algebra just fine on my RedHat 8.0 +system with gcc 3.2-7, but using Juergen's databases files of +course. + +> +> I was not able to complete the lattice because I ran into +> database problems. The new databases don't seem to be able to +> rebuild the system. It looks like you tripped across the same +> bug. + +I did notice that the new database files that I built were +slightly different in size than Juergen's (some a little +bigger and some a little smaller). I wonder how Juergen built +those database files. Right now it seems that they are the +only ones that work ... + +> +> I first found the database problem when I tried to use a +> newly built system complete the algebra. It turned out +> that the newly built system couldn't compile the older code. +> I suspect there has been a change to the database code and +> I'm looking into the problem. + +But Juergen somehow managed to do it, right? Because the +ones that we started with (before I added Juergen's database +files to the CVS in September) also did not work. But I +think he claimed to have built the ones that do work using +that system. Or was there some other magic involved? + +So I guess I am going to have to learn something about the +database files. As you look into this problem, if you feel +like discussing it, I'm all ears. + +Anyway, I will let you know if I can build the new system +on my RedHat 9.0 system. (It's faster, it only takes about +3 hours to complete.) And if it fails like yours then I +will back out the CVS back to Juergen's database files. + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 13:10:22 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADRvi-0004Wd-2T + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:10:22 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADRvf-0004Tn-7P + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:10:19 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADRv9-0004Aj-AT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:10:18 -0400 +Received: from [134.93.178.130] (helo=mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1ADRv8-0004Ae-RR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:09:46 -0400 +Received: from exfront02.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront02.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.50]) + by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h9PH9eqD026434; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:09:40 +0200 (MEST) +Received: from EXSTORE2.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront02.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:09:39 +0200 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:09:39 +0200 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC046C6473@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +Thread-Index: AcObFzxditfZQPatSn2nwCsvvJuafQAAwing +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: "Bill Page" , +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2003 17:09:39.0972 (UTC) + FILETIME=[C6969C40:01C39B1A] +X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:10:20 -0000 + +I think I build the database on cmu cl. Difference in +size is probably due to not including hypertex references +into the database files. That should not make any +difference to the current problems. Besides that, no +``magic'' was involved. + +Regards + +Juergen Weiss + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Bill Page [mailto:bill.page1@sympatico.ca] +> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:42 PM +> To: daly@idsi.net +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +> +> +> Tim, +> +> On Saturday, October 25, 2003 10:58 AM you wrote: +> > +> > I re-downloaded the CVS copy and did a build from scratch +> > overnight. It appears that the system won't build from CVS at +> > the moment. Try building from a clean CVS download and see if +> > it works for you. If not I think we need to back out the +> > changes until we figure it out. +> +> Ok, I am in the process of trying it again now on a different +> machine. I built the whole algebra just fine on my RedHat 8.0 +> system with gcc 3.2-7, but using Juergen's databases files of +> course. +> +> > +> > I was not able to complete the lattice because I ran into +> > database problems. The new databases don't seem to be able to +> > rebuild the system. It looks like you tripped across the same +> > bug. +> +> I did notice that the new database files that I built were +> slightly different in size than Juergen's (some a little +> bigger and some a little smaller). I wonder how Juergen built +> those database files. Right now it seems that they are the +> only ones that work ... +> +> > +> > I first found the database problem when I tried to use a +> > newly built system complete the algebra. It turned out +> > that the newly built system couldn't compile the older code. +> > I suspect there has been a change to the database code and +> > I'm looking into the problem. +> +> But Juergen somehow managed to do it, right? Because the +> ones that we started with (before I added Juergen's database +> files to the CVS in September) also did not work. But I +> think he claimed to have built the ones that do work using +> that system. Or was there some other magic involved? +> +> So I guess I am going to have to learn something about the +> database files. As you look into this problem, if you feel +> like discussing it, I'm all ears. +> +> Anyway, I will let you know if I can build the new system +> on my RedHat 9.0 system. (It's faster, it only takes about +> 3 hours to complete.) And if it fails like yours then I +> will back out the CVS back to Juergen's database files. +> +> Regards, +> Bill Page. +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 14:26:24 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADT7H-0007ye-Qh + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:26:23 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADT7F-0007uG-9r + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:26:21 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADT6h-0007ZJ-UK + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:26:18 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADT6h-0007ZF-Lg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:25:47 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (71.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.71]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9PIPel0135436; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:25:40 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9PIPHS18551; + Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:25:17 -0400 +Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:25:17 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310251825.h9PIPHS18551@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: <54smlhqnmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (message from Camm Maguire + on 25 Oct 2003 12:37:45 -0400) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <200310232220.h9NMKXP16084@localhost.localdomain> + <87k76u7e2v.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <54smlhqnmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + axiom@tenkan.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:26:22 -0000 + +Your list: + +These are gone: + +lsp/Makefile.dvi +src/algebra/Makefile.dvi +src/input/Makefile.dvi +src/Makefile.dvi +src/interp/Makefile.dvi +src/doc/Makefile.dvi + +These should never be in the "distribution" which should only contain +files in the mnt directory. The obj and int directories can be deleted +at any time. They are only caches. + +obj/noweb/contrib/kostas/Makefile +obj/noweb/src/c/notangle.o +obj/noweb/src/c/getline.o +obj/noweb/src/c/match.o +obj/noweb/src/c/modules.o +obj/noweb/src/c/modtrees.o +obj/noweb/src/c/strsave.o +obj/noweb/src/c/main.o +obj/noweb/src/c/errors.o +obj/noweb/src/c/columns.o +obj/noweb/src/c/nt +obj/noweb/src/c/markmain.o +obj/noweb/src/c/markup.o +obj/noweb/src/c/markup +obj/noweb/src/c/mnt.o +obj/noweb/src/c/mnt +obj/noweb/src/c/finduses.o +obj/noweb/src/c/recognize.o +obj/noweb/src/c/finduses + +These are used by noweb. In particular, the document command will +invoke nt and markup. + +mnt/bin/lib/nt +mnt/bin/lib/markup +mnt/bin/lib/mnt +mnt/bin/lib/finduses + +I'll look into these. There shouldn't be Makefiles in mnt. + +mnt/bin/Makefile.dvi + +This should remain. It is the primary documentation root and +needs to be available to users before the build. It is essentially +the top level "README" + +Makefile.dvi + +I'm confused. You siad: "need to be executable" but you wrote: "chmod -x" +which will remove the execution bit. + +This part of noweb and is an internal command +./mnt/linux/bin/lib/nwmtime + +These are TeX macros not user commands and can't be executed. + +./mnt/linux/bin/tex/axiom.sty +./mnt/linux/bin/axiom.sty + +These are the components of the boxup command which works as follows: + +boxup foo + +rename foo to foo.org +concatenate head, foo, and tail (in that order) into foo.pamphlet, +run notangle to extract foo from foo.pamphlet, +diff foo and foo.org to ensure that + +./mnt/linux/bin/boxup +./mnt/linux/bin/head +./mnt/linux/bin/tail + +These will go away: + +./mnt/linux/bin/Makefile +./mnt/linux/bin/Makefile.pamphlet + +These are Axiom internal data files, not scripts + +./mnt/linux/algebra/topics.data +./mnt/linux/doc/msgs/s2-us.msgs +./mnt/linux/algebra/gloss.text + + +I have no idea what this does: +./mnt/linux/bin/htmltoc + +This was a feeble attempt at document support. Texmacs and ADVI +extensions will eventually do better. + +./mnt/linux/bin/showdvi + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 15:02:27 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADTgA-0004fn-W1 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:02:26 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADTg9-0004dO-1c + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:02:25 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADTfc-0004Wx-57 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:02:24 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.103] (helo=tomts29-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADTfb-0004Vm-Oo + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:01:51 -0400 +Received: from ogivar ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts29-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP + id <20031025190149.KLDE25962.tomts29-srv.bellnexxia.net@ogivar>; + Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:01:49 -0400 +Message-ID: <002a01c39b2a$70c20100$0201a8c0@direcpc.com> +From: "Bill Page" +To: "Weiss, Juergen" +References: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC046C6473@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:01:41 -0400 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:02:25 -0000 + +Juergen, + +Just so that I am clear, could you please confirm again that you +did *not* create the database files using the GCL version of +Axiom? + +For Axiom do you currently use GCL or do you use CMU CL? + +Tim, is CMU CL an intended target lisp for Axiom? If so, then +perhaps we should also be actively using both lisps with Axiom - +especially if there are some things that CMU CL can do that +GCL can't. + +Cheers, +Bill Page + +----- Original Message ----- +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: "Bill Page" ; +Cc: +Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:09 PM +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice + + +I think I build the database on cmu cl. Difference in +size is probably due to not including hypertex references +into the database files. That should not make any +difference to the current problems. Besides that, no +``magic'' was involved. + +Regards + +Juergen Weiss + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 15:51:03 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADURA-0006gF-Us + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:51:00 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADUR8-0006eT-DS + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:50:58 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADUQY-0006P5-8e + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:50:54 -0400 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADUQX-0006Oj-Nc + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:50:21 -0400 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (71.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.71]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9PJoJSI108506; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:50:20 -0400 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9PJnuG18645; + Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:49:56 -0400 +Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:49:56 -0400 +Message-Id: <200310251949.h9PJnuG18645@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +In-reply-to: <002a01c39b2a$70c20100$0201a8c0@direcpc.com> + (bill.page1@sympatico.ca) +References: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC046C6473@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> + <002a01c39b2a$70c20100$0201a8c0@direcpc.com> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: completion of algebra lattice +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:50:59 -0000 + +Bill, + +CMUCL is an intended target lisp for Axiom. Indeed, the previous +CVS at tenkan had the CMU files available. + +If CMUCL can build correct databases and GCL can't then it indicates +that the problem is in the underlying common lisp. We can test if +this is true by generating a database from the same set of NRLIBs +using CMUCL and GCL and then comparing individual entries. + +If the problem is not in the common lisp but is due to axiom code +then the databases should be broken in similar ways. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 20:18:03 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADYbb-00038X-6l + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:18:03 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADYbZ-00037v-7S + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:18:01 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADYb3-00030b-5q + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:18:00 -0400 +Received: from [203.52.176.30] (helo=br-dmz.paradigmgeo.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADYb1-0002zR-EY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:17:28 -0400 +Received: from water ([192.168.180.42]) + by br-dmz.paradigmgeo.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9Q077NC029506; + Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:07:08 +1000 +From: "Mike Thomas" +To: "Camm Maguire" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] RE: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:19:43 +1000 +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) +Importance: Normal +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +In-Reply-To: <54oew52v18.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by br-dmz.paradigmgeo.com + id h9Q077NC029506 +Cc: "Page, Bill" , axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:18:01 -0000 + +Hi all. + +| Greetings! Mike, do you have a moment to upload a binary without the +| path hard-coding? + +If I can't get it done tonight (Sunday, unlikely) then not until Friday a= +t +the very earliest I'm sorry as I'll be out of town and without a computer +for the coming week and away from computers most of today. + +Cheers + +Mike Thomas + + +| +| Take care, +| +| michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr writes: +| +| > Hello Bill, +| > +| > > > http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl/stable-binary/gcl_2.6.1.min +| > > > gw32_japi_xdr_20030929.zip +| > > > +| > > > Unzip it and run the install program. It installed and +| > > > runs under Windows XP for me with no problems (although +| > > > an earlier version did fail on the install unless you +| > > > installed it into a directory named c:/lang). +| > > > +| > > +| > > I have just tried this and I see that the problem with the +| > > install directory still exists. When the install scripts +| > > asks where you want to install GCL, tell it +| > > +| > > c:/lang/gcl261 +| > > +| > > instead of the default, then the install will complete +| > > normally. +| > +| > Yes you are right, the script that creates gcl.bat during the +| installation +| > seems to be broken? The only difference I saw between an +| installation in +| > c:\lang\gcl261 and another directory is that the c:\lang\gcl261\bin +| > directory contains 2 more files gcl.bat and gcl.pif. If for some reas= +on +| > specific to Axiom you need to use gcl from another directory than +| > lang/gcl261, it seems that you can just move the whole directory +| > c:\lang\gcl261 to your new directory, and add the following +| file gcl.bat +| > in directory "NewDirectory\bin" (with the example directory +| > C:\programs\gcl-2.6.1): +| > +| > ------------------- gcl.bat +| > @echo off +| > rem Define the main directory of gcl +| > set W$=3Dc:\programs\gcl-2.6.1 +| > rem set C_INCLUDE_PATH=3D%W$%\lib\gcl-2.6.1\h +| > path %W$%\mingw\bin;%PATH% +| > start %W$%\lib\gcl-2.6.1\unixport\saved_gcl.exe -dir %W$%/lib/gcl- +| > 2.6.1/unixport/ -libdir %W$%/lib/gcl-2.6.1/ -eval "(setq si::*allow- +| > gzipped-file* t)" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 +| > ------------------- End of gcl.bat +| > +| > This works for me on Windows 98SE, I suppose it would run too under a= +ny +| > version of Windows NT (4.0, 2000 or XP) +| > +| > It think one can comment the line with C_INCLUDE_PATH, at least +| as long as +| > gcl.bat just runs the executable for gcl. I don't think the env +| variable +| > for gcc compiler is of any use to run the executable? Or is it for so= +me +| > reason I am unaware of ?. Anyway, on Win98, gcl can be run +| without this +| > var being defined. +| > +| > Best wishes, +| > +| > Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr +| > http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX +| > ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX +| > liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr +| > Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu +| > "sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr +| > +| > +| > _______________________________________________ +| > Axiom-developer mailing list +| > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +| > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +| > +| > +| > +| +| -- +| Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +| =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +| "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'l= +lah +| +| + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 20:49:24 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADZ5v-0002xc-Sq + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:49:23 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADZ5t-0002wY-9d + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:49:21 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADZ5N-0002cA-Ga + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:49:20 -0400 +Received: from [134.93.178.130] (helo=mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1ADZ5N-0002c4-2R + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:48:49 -0400 +Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.49]) + by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h9Q0meqD026129; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:48:41 +0200 (MEST) +Received: from EXSTORE2.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:48:41 +0200 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:48:40 +0200 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4D2@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: completion of algebra lattice +Thread-Index: AcObKnkK7gbdXuMwSN2VR8hbJoRVvgAL53vQ +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: "Bill Page" +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2003 00:48:41.0254 (UTC) + FILETIME=[E678BC60:01C39B5A] +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:49:21 -0000 + +The database files that I posted on my website are +build with a CMU CL version. I got GCL working +on FreeBSD only lately. I compiled all the algebra +files on GCL Axiom with the CMU database and rebuild +a database on GCL. But I probably never tried to +use that database to compile all algebra files. +So I'm not sure if that would have been possible. + +Juergen + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Bill Page [mailto:bill.page1@sympatico.ca] +> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:02 PM +> To: Weiss, Juergen +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> Subject: RE: completion of algebra lattice +> +> +> Juergen, +> +> Just so that I am clear, could you please confirm again that you +> did *not* create the database files using the GCL version of +> Axiom? +> +> For Axiom do you currently use GCL or do you use CMU CL? +> +> Tim, is CMU CL an intended target lisp for Axiom? If so, then +> perhaps we should also be actively using both lisps with Axiom - +> especially if there are some things that CMU CL can do that +> GCL can't. +> +> Cheers, +> Bill Page +> +> ----- Original Message ----- +> From: "Weiss, Juergen" +> To: "Bill Page" ; +> Cc: +> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:09 PM +> Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +> +> +> I think I build the database on cmu cl. Difference in +> size is probably due to not including hypertex references +> into the database files. That should not make any +> difference to the current problems. Besides that, no +> ``magic'' was involved. +> +> Regards +> +> Juergen Weiss +> +> +> + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Oct 25 21:24:58 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADZeL-00033O-Rj + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:24:57 -0400 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADZeJ-00033G-KV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:24:55 -0400 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADZdn-00030T-MI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:24:54 -0400 +Received: from [209.226.175.189] (helo=tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADZdn-00030Q-BI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:24:23 -0400 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031026012419.RKZR19916.tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:24:19 -0400 +From: "Bill Page" +To: +Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:24:22 -0400 +Message-ID: <000201c39b5f$e6165ed0$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +In-Reply-To: <200310251949.h9PJnuG18645@localhost.localdomain> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] rebuilding the database +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:24:56 -0000 + +Tim, + +I have a question about the proper procedure for +rebuilding the AXIOM database. + +In the current src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet there are +two stanza's with targe db: One is in some "old code" +chuck named <> which I guess is no +longer used. + +db: ${CENTER} + @ echo rebuilding databases... + @ cp -p ${SRC}/doc/gloss.text ${LIB} + @ cp -p ${SRC}/doc/topics.data ${MID} + @ echo rebuilding daase files + @ (cd ${MID} ; \ + echo ')set out le 200' >/tmp/tmp.input ; \ + echo ')fin' >>/tmp/tmp.input ; \ + echo '(make-databases "" (QUOTE ("unix")))' >>/tmp/tmp.input +; \ + echo '(bye)' >>/tmp/tmp.input ; \ + cat /tmp/tmp.input | ${INTERPSYS} ; \ + rm -f /tmp/tmp.input ) + @ echo If all went well, go-ahead Mike and do a db-install as +well ! + +The other is the apparently new code which does get +executed + +db: + @ echo rebuilding databases... + @ cp ${SRC}/doc/gloss.text ${MID} + @ cp ${SRC}/doc/gloss.text ${OUT} + @ cp ${SRC}/doc/topics.data ${MID} + @ cp ${SRC}/doc/topics.data ${OUT} + @ (cd ${MID} ; echo ')lisp (make-databases "" nil)' | +${INTERPSYS} ) + @ cp ${MID}/*.daase ${OUT} + +-------- + +1) Are the differences in the make-databases options + significant? + +2) The new version of db: puts just the *.daase files + into the mnt directory ${OUT}, but this is not (at least + not usually, I think) where AXIOM looks for the databases + files. I guess we are missing the install/promote steps + in the new Makefile. + + When I tried to update the database yesterday, what I + did was just to copy these .daase files from ${OUT} into + src/share/algebra. Is that correct? I wondering if the + database files now in the CVS are complete and self + consistent. + +3) The original makefile has the stanza + +db-install: +# +# Now move everything to int/lib/unix +# + @ echo moving ${MID}/unix/compress.daase to ${CENTER}/ + @ mv ${MID}/unix/compress.daase ${CENTER}/ +# + @ echo moving ${MID}/unix/interp.daase to ${CENTER}/ + @ mv ${MID}/unix/interp.daase ${CENTER}/ +# + @ echo moving ${MID}/unix/browse.daase to ${CENTER}/ + @ mv ${MID}/unix/browse.daase ${CENTER}/ +# + @ echo moving ${MID}/unix/category.daase to ${CENTER}/ + @ mv ${MID}/unix/category.daase ${CENTER}/ +# + @ echo moving ${MID}/unix/operation.daase to ${CENTER}/ + @ mv ${MID}/unix/operation.daase ${CENTER}/ +# + @ echo moving ${MID}/unix/USERS.DAASE to ${CENTER} + @ rm -rf ${CENTER}/USERS.DAASE + @ mv ${MID}/unix/USERS.DAASE ${CENTER} +# + @ echo moving ${MID}/unix/DEPENDENTS.DAASE to ${CENTER} + @ mv ${MID}/unix/DEPENDENTS.DAASE ${CENTER} +# + @ echo moving ${MID}/unix/libdb.text to ${CENTER} + @ mv ${MID}/unix/libdb.text ${CENTER} +# + @ echo moving ${MID}/unix/comdb.text to ${CENTER} + @ mv ${MID}/unix/comdb.text ${CENTER} +# + @ echo Now you need to promote the databases \(make +PART=dbpromote\) + @ echo Then remake and promote the *.img files +# @ echo rebuilding interpsys with the new database +# @ touch ${OBJ}/${SYS}/interp/database.date +# @ (cd ${SPD} ; ${MAKE} PART=interp) + +---------- + +4) I notice that not only are the .daase files installed +but also the directories USERS.DAASE and DEPENDENTS.DAASE. +Since your new db: stanze did not copy these to ${OUT}, +I did not copy them to share/algebra when. Are they needed? + +5) Are any of the other non *.daase files needed? E.g. +the .text files? + +6) There does not seem to be any "promote" stanza in +either the old or new make files but I notice that there +is a final step to re-build interpsys with the new +database. Is this necessary or just an optional check? + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 04:45:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADhSv-0006GB-4v + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:45:41 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADhSs-0006DF-Er + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:45:38 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADhSM-0005U9-AE + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:45:37 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADhSL-0005S7-EU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:45:05 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-23-95.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.7.95]) + by mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id E104118000A9; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:45:03 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADhSJ-0001S4-00; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:45:03 +0100 +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Another failing build on + EFUPXS: GCL 2.6.1 issue?? +References: <87ptgm5sk3.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <54r8121dmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <87ekx1ztkg.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <54smlh2v7h.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:45:02 +0100 +In-Reply-To: <54smlh2v7h.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (Camm Maguire's message + of "25 Oct 2003 11:28:02 -0400") +Message-ID: <87fzhgfi3l.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:45:39 -0000 + +Camm Maguire writes: + +> BTW, you know that there is a pre-built Debian axiom package for ppc +> (unstable)? + +Yes, I know. But I do not consider myself a debian developer. I'm much a +bare bone debian user. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 04:54:42 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADhbd-0002Na-V6 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:54:41 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADhbb-0002M1-LJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:54:39 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADhb5-00029b-MH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:54:38 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=mwinf0203.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADhb5-00029F-5z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:54:07 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-23-95.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.7.95]) + by mwinf0203.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 1ECE71000218; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:54:06 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADhb3-0001SW-00; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:54:05 +0100 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: completion of algebra lattice +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C1@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <873cdi7dej.fsf@wanadoo.fr> + <200310251457.h9PEvdb18251@localhost.localdomain> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:54:04 +0100 +In-Reply-To: <200310251457.h9PEvdb18251@localhost.localdomain> (daly@idsi.net's + message of "Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:57:39 -0400") +Message-ID: <87brs4fhoj.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + bill.page1@sympatico.ca +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:54:40 -0000 + +Hello Tim, Bill and Juergen, + +root writes: + +> I re-downloaded the CVS copy and did a build from scratch overnight. +> It appears that the system won't build from CVS at the moment. + +Just for the record, my build from scratch, latest CVS, also failed on +NODE1. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 05:33:25 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADiD6-0007N9-Vi + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:33:25 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADiD4-0007N1-95 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:33:22 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADiCX-00079g-BI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:33:21 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADiCX-00079V-1I + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:32:49 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-23-95.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.7.95]) + by mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1D55EC000238 + for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:32:48 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADiCV-00027F-00 + for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:32:47 +0100 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Another failing build on + EFUPXS: GCL 2.6.1 issue?? +References: <87ptgm5sk3.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <54r8121dmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <87ekx1ztkg.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <54smlh2v7h.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:32:47 +0100 +In-Reply-To: <54smlh2v7h.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (Camm Maguire's message + of "25 Oct 2003 11:28:02 -0400") +Message-ID: <877k2sffw0.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:33:22 -0000 + +Tim, + +Camm Maguire writes: + +>> Ouch! So if I read you correclty, you mean I can't compile Axiom on my +>> Debian stable/gcc 2.95.4 powerpc machine? +>> +> +> Most likely not. On ppc, you'll be much happier with gcc-3.3. + +I have updated web page explaining why Axiom won't build on Debian 3.0 +(stable) on powerpc arch. + +Yours, +d. +-- + david.mentre@wanadoo.fr + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 07:04:35 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADjdL-0006wY-AX + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:04:35 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADjdI-0006ta-Gq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:04:32 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADjcm-0006a6-8Q + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:04:31 -0500 +Received: from [194.25.134.20] (helo=mailout08.sul.t-online.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADjcl-0006a3-Ga + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:03:59 -0500 +Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp + id 1ADjcj-0000gu-07; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:03:57 +0100 +Received: from wzocher.dialin.t-online.de + (bRL3VwZF8ekpVW-eb9NdeyCX+-Oxyce3BnZn4qvI-vy4GSpDLHDDYD@[62.158.142.81]) + by fwd02.sul.t-online.com + with esmtp id 1ADjce-15Rvma0; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:03:52 +0100 +Sender: wolzoc@wzocher.dialin.t-online.de +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +From: WZocher@t-online.de (Wolfgang Zocher) +Date: 26 Oct 2003 13:58:32 +0100 +Message-ID: +Lines: 52 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +X-Seen: false +X-ID: bRL3VwZF8ekpVW-eb9NdeyCX+-Oxyce3BnZn4qvI-vy4GSpDLHDDYD +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Error with Axiom.CVS & gcl-2.6.1 +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:04:33 -0000 + +Hi all, + +when I tried to build axiom from scratch last night I got the errors listed +below. Is this kind of error symptomatic for the new release of gcl? Has +anyone tried to compile with gcl-2.7.x (CVS)? + +Here is the interesting part of the log-file: + + compiling local solveBernoulli : (Record(coef1: F,coefn: F,exponent: NonNegativeInteger),BasicOperator,Symbol,F) -> Union(F,failed) + Semantic Errors: + [1] ElementaryFunctionODESolver is not a known type + + Warnings: + [1] solve: not known that (OrderedSet) is of mode (CATEGORY package (SIGNATURE solve ((Union F failed) F F (BasicOperator) (Symbol)))) + [2] checkBernoulli: not known that (Ring) is of mode (CATEGORY package (SIGNATURE solve ((Union F failed) F F (BasicOperator) (Symbol)))) + +****** comp fails at level 4 with expression: ****** +error in function solveBernoulli + +(SEQ (LET |n1| (- 1 (|::| (|rec| |exponent|) (|Integer|)))) + (LET |deq| + (+ (+ (|differentiate| |yx| |x|) + (* (* |n1| (|rec| |coef1|)) |yx|)) + (* |n1| (|rec| |coefn|)))) + (LET |sol| + (|::| | << | (|solve| |deq| |y| |x|) | >> | + (|Record| (|:| |particular| F) (|:| |basis| (|List| F))))) + (|exit| 1 + (/ (- (** |yx| |n1|) (|sol| |particular|)) + (|first| (|sol| |basis|))))) +****** level 4 ****** +$x:= (solve deq y x) +$m:= $EmptyMode +$f:= +((((|deq| #) (|n1| #) (|exponent| #) (|coefn| #) ...))) + + >> Apparent user error: + no modemap for solve with 3 arguments + +protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) +(1) -> 0 making /home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon/mnt/linux/algebra/NODE1.o from /home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon/int/algebra/NODE1.NRLIB +cp: Aufruf von stat für »/home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon/int/algebra/NODE1.NRLIB/code.o« nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden +make[3]: *** [/home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon/mnt/linux/algebra/NODE1.o] Fehler 1 +make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon/src/algebra' +make[2]: *** [algebradir] Fehler 2 +make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon/src' +make[1]: *** [srcdir] Fehler 2 +make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon' +make: *** [all] Fehler 2 + +Regards, +Wolfgang + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 07:41:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADkDF-0000GJ-34 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:41:41 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADkDC-0000Er-RL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:41:38 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADkCf-0008OC-Uw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:41:37 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=mwinf0601.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADkCf-0008Mh-3v + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:41:05 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-23-95.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.7.95]) + by mwinf0601.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 0ED343400181; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:41:04 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1ADkCd-00032T-00; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:41:03 +0100 +To: WZocher@t-online.de (Wolfgang Zocher) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Error with Axiom.CVS & gcl-2.6.1 +References: +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:41:03 +0100 +In-Reply-To: (Wolfgang Zocher's + message of "26 Oct 2003 13:58:32 +0100") +Message-ID: <87r810dvds.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:41:39 -0000 + +Hello Wolfgang, + +WZocher@t-online.de (Wolfgang Zocher) writes: + +> when I tried to build axiom from scratch last night I got the errors listed +> below. Is this kind of error symptomatic for the new release of gcl? Has + +No, it is not related to gcl.. It is more probably related to an issue +in Axiom internal database which describes Axiom knowledge on math +"modules". + +> anyone tried to compile with gcl-2.7.x (CVS)? + +I don't think so. + +[...] +> (1) -> 0 making /home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon/mnt/linux/algebra/NODE1.o from /home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon/int/algebra/NODE1.NRLIB +> cp: Aufruf von stat für »/home/wolzoc/axiom-athlon/int/algebra/NODE1.NRLIB/code.o« nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden + +Both Tim, you and I failed on the same file. I have the same error +message as you. + +I think the proper cause of failure is: + compiling local solveBernoulli : (Record(coef1: F,coefn: F,exponent: NonNegativeInteger),BasicOperator,Symbol,F) -> Union(F,failed) + Semantic Errors: + [1] ElementaryFunctionODESolver is not a known type + + Warnings: + [1] solve: not known that (OrderedSet) is of mode (CATEGORY package (SIGNATURE solve ((Union F failed) F F (BasicOperator) (Symbol)))) + [2] checkBernoulli: not known that (Ring) is of mode (CATEGORY package (SIGNATURE solve ((Union F failed) F F (BasicOperator) (Symbol)))) + + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 09:03:32 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADlUR-0007KC-Ue + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:03:31 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADlUP-0007I3-Gb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:03:29 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADlTr-00075N-JT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:03:26 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADlTr-00075J-Aq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:02:55 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (71.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.71]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9QE2sSI199866; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:02:54 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9QE2U726759; + Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:02:30 -0500 +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:02:30 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310261402.h9QE2U726759@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: WZocher@t-online.de +In-reply-to: +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Error with Axiom.CVS & gcl-2.6.1 +References: +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:03:30 -0000 + +Wolfgang, + +There is currently a problem with the CVS version. +We are actively working on it. If we don't solve it +shortly we will back out to the previous version. +I'll send you email once there is a buildable version in CVS. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 16:59:34 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADskF-0000ea-G7 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:48:19 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADsga-0008Kj-Es + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:44:32 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADsfU-0005yf-9C + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:43:55 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1ADsfT-0005kM-1G + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:43:23 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADsRw-0006EK-Fr + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:29:24 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (71.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.71]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9QLTB5t082890; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:29:11 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9QLSkF26894; + Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:28:46 -0500 +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:28:46 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310262128.h9QLSkF26894@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +In-reply-to: <1067194536.6216.10.camel@asus> (message from Bill Page on 26 Oct + 2003 13:55:36 -0500) +References: <000001c39bd6$99457b00$6501a8c0@Asus> + <200310261724.h9QHOrO26826@localhost.localdomain> + <1067194536.6216.10.camel@asus> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: cvs +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:48:16 -0000 + +re: commit. + +great. I'll download and test it. +In general I've learned not to mention to anyone that I've +changed CVS until I've uploaded, downloaded a brand-new copy, +compiled, and tested it. It is a long, painful cycle, no? + +re: backout + +I think the idea is that when you make a change it becomes +foo.1.2 and if you want to get the previous version you +explicitly ask for +cvs -r foo.1.1 +I haven't done that explicitly but you're welcome to try it. +CVS maintains the old versions but I don't know of an explicit +command to "back out" a change. Usually you download a prior +version and then check it back in so it becomes foo.1.3 + +re: daase files + +The daase files are random access files. +You get a number, seek into the file that number of bytes, and call read. + +The format of the daase files is: + +integer-offset-to-index +(sexpr) (sexpr) (sexpr) .... (sexpr) +(index) + +The file is read by reading the integer offset, +seeking into the file that many bytes, +and reading the index. The index is a table +of lists of offset numbers (some of the offsets +are immediate data rather than numbers). + +So, for instance, in browse.daase you can open the file in emacs, +read the first number (2135125) and then do: +C-u 2135125 C-f +and you end up position 2135125 characters into the file which is +the start of the index list. If you know what the index list +entries mean then you can look up properties. + +One of the subtle parts of some of the files is that there is a +compression algorithm I wrote to minimize the size of the daase +files. It could be the case that the compression algorithm has +a bug. In any case I'm going to write a program to compare two +daase versions. This involves reading the index, walking the index +entries to get the data, and comparing the results from the other file. +I've written a few checking routines of this type before. (see libcheck +in util.lisp.pamphlet which checks INTERP.EXPOSED (which I have to +rewrite to use exposed.lsp)). I plan to add these checking routines +as part of the build process (they used to be there). + +re: conflicts + +I deleted some files per requests by David and Camm +and they've been uploaded again. Be sure to do +cvs update +before you do a +cvs commit + +The "update" makes sure that you have resolved all of +the conflicts before adding your code. + +I've forgotten this in the past but so far I've been the +only one making cvs commits. I expect that we'll all be +doing commits in the future so we have to be careful to +do cvs updates first. + +Despite the unforseen gaffe I'm quite pleased that you +went ahead and made independent changes. Provided we all +carefully check our work I'm hoping to see more of this. + +Tim + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 17:37:09 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADtVV-0004os-BQ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:37:09 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADtVT-0004lz-AS + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:37:07 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADtUw-0003vC-3c + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:37:06 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1ADtTp-0002BX-5X + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:35:25 -0500 +Received: from [209.226.175.34] (helo=tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADtTL-0001Ja-JC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:34:55 -0500 +Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031026223452.WYAB1032.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.1.10]>; + Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:34:52 -0500 +From: Bill Page +To: daly@idsi.net +In-Reply-To: <200310262128.h9QLSkF26894@localhost.localdomain> +References: <000001c39bd6$99457b00$6501a8c0@Asus> + <200310261724.h9QHOrO26826@localhost.localdomain> + <1067194536.6216.10.camel@asus> + <200310262128.h9QLSkF26894@localhost.localdomain> +Content-Type: text/plain +Organization: +Message-Id: <1067207624.8135.13.camel@asus> +Mime-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) +Date: 26 Oct 2003 17:33:48 -0500 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Cc: "axiom-developer@nongnu.org" +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: cvs +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:37:08 -0000 + +Tim, + +Thanks for the notes about the database files. + +On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 16:28, you wrote + +> re: conflicts +> +> I deleted some files per requests by David and Camm +> and they've been uploaded again. Be sure to do +> cvs update before you do a cvs commit +> +> The "update" makes sure that you have resolved all of +> the conflicts before adding your code. +> + +Ok, sorry. I did forget the update step. If I had done the +update would everything have authomatically been alright or +would I have had to manually delete my copy of the files +which you had separately deleted in order to avoid having +them re-added? + +> I've forgotten this in the past but so far I've been the +> only one making cvs commits. I expect that we'll all be +> doing commits in the future so we have to be careful to +> do cvs updates first. +> + +Understood. I am amazed once again that the open software +movement has gotten as far as it has with CVS. But that's +dedication, I guess. But once one learns to cope with the +limitations of some complex tool, it is hard to give it up +even when something better and easier to use comes along... + +> Despite the unforseen gaffe I'm quite pleased that you +> went ahead and made independent changes. Provided we all +> carefully check our work I'm hoping to see more of this. +> + +You are absolutely right that I should have tested the +change to the database first (by re-compiling interpsys +again after changing the database files, obviously) +*before* uploading my changes to the CVS. Sorry. + +The current interp/Makefile does not actually update +the database files. How do you plan to handle this in +the future? Would this normally be done as part of +every build? So does this always mean that we have to +build interpsys twice? + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 18:56:14 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADuk1-0000NL-To + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:56:13 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADujz-0000Lf-IA + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:56:11 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADujS-0008Mx-Qj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:56:10 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADujR-0008L9-Kn + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:55:37 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (71.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.71]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9QNtBpM187772; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:55:12 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9QNslx27120; + Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:54:47 -0500 +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:54:47 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310262354.h9QNslx27120@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +In-reply-to: <1067207624.8135.13.camel@asus> (message from Bill Page on 26 Oct + 2003 17:33:48 -0500) +References: <000001c39bd6$99457b00$6501a8c0@Asus> + <200310261724.h9QHOrO26826@localhost.localdomain> + <1067194536.6216.10.camel@asus> + <200310262128.h9QLSkF26894@localhost.localdomain> + <1067207624.8135.13.camel@asus> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: cvs +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:56:12 -0000 + +> Ok, sorry. I did forget the update step. If I had done the +> update would everything have authomatically been alright or +> would I have had to manually delete my copy of the files +> which you had separately deleted in order to avoid having +> them re-added? + +It comes with practice which is why I first set up a local CVS +then the CVS on tenkan before I started using the main website. +On the first CVS I used remotely I uploaded my whole home directory +including my mail files. + +If I delete a file and you do the update then the cvs command will +delete your copy of the file when you do the update. In order to +avoid stepping on other peoples changes everyone must do a cvs update +before doing a commit. The cvs update will try to merge changes that +don't conflict but will complain about ones it can't. You need to +merge changes that cvs cannot before you check in the files. + +> Understood. I am amazed once again that the open software +> movement has gotten as far as it has with CVS. But that's +> dedication, I guess. But once one learns to cope with the +> limitations of some complex tool, it is hard to give it up +> even when something better and easier to use comes along... + +The linux kernel people have partially migrated to bitkeeper. +Bitkeeper is a much better idea and they let free software +projects use it for free. However it is the subject of endless +religious wars and we don't need the grief. There is also a +free version call subversions, I believe. Change control is +always a painful subject and I've never seen a system I liked. + +Hosting Axiom on savannah makes CVS the required default so +using other tools is a moot point. + +If the number of developers gets large enough we'll have to +appoint a person as the "librarian" to centralize changes. +That person would be responible for applying and testing changes. + +In the kernel there are many cvs trees although Linus's tree +is "the master" people like Alan Cox maintain their own tree. +You can check out the -ac version to get Alan's copy. Alan +maintains patches that either Linux won't accept, Alan thinks +aren't quite ready, or are specific to things Alan wants. + +> You are absolutely right that I should have tested the +> change to the database first (by re-compiling interpsys +> again after changing the database files, obviously) +> *before* uploading my changes to the CVS. Sorry. + +I follow this cycle: + +1) I have a local tree where I make changes. There are currently 3 + local trees with changes "in process" in parallel. +2) Once I'm happy with a local tree I do a cvs checkout of Axiom + to a clean directory (call it directory A) and apply the changes + to that directory copy. +3) I do a build in the A directory. +4) I do a clean checkout of axiom into a B directory and diff -R A B +5) I copy the changed files to my "master" directory + and do the cvs adds/deletes +6) I copy the master directory to a local directory C and do a build + along with testing. +7) I cvs checkin the master +8) I cvs checkout the master to local directory D +9) I make directory D + +It is a painfully long dance but I inserted the various steps +because I make a lot of mistakes and each step catches some of +the errors. I still manage to shank one occasionally. + + +> The current interp/Makefile does not actually update +> the database files. How do you plan to handle this in +> the future? Would this normally be done as part of +> every build? So does this always mean that we have to +> build interpsys twice? + +Yes, interpsys will eventually be built twice as part of the build. +During the second build there are a large number of function-calling +optimizations that get applied which considerably speed up the +execution. + +The database files will only get rebuilt if they need to be. +Currently databases are rebuilt every time. This used to be +implemented in Scratchpad but seems to have disappeared. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 20:07:24 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADvqt-0002nH-Pu + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:07:23 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADvqq-0002ld-Rv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:07:20 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADvqA-0002Xo-Dp + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:07:09 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADvq9-0002XN-CH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:06:37 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (71.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.71]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9R16apM122096; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:06:36 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9R16BV27226; + Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:06:11 -0500 +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:06:11 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310270106.h9R16BV27226@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: WZocher@t-online.de +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom build restored +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:07:21 -0000 + +Wolfgang, + +The Axiom CVS has been restored to a version that builds properly. +Sorry for the problems. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Oct 26 22:43:39 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADyI6-0004cy-Cg + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:43:38 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADyI4-0004cO-DI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:43:36 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1ADyHX-0004T0-2u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:43:34 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADyHW-0004Su-OE + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:43:02 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (71.181.252.64.snet.net [64.252.181.71]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9R3h05t016618; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:43:01 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9R3gaP27369; + Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:42:36 -0500 +Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:42:36 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310270342.h9R3gaP27369@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] layer22 +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:43:37 -0000 + +Bill, + +I noticed in the last build that you not only removed the databases +but also your modifications to the src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet. +I haven't finished testing yet but it appears that you've solved +most of the problems. A lot of the broken test cases listed in +src/input/Makefile.pamphlet under the <> chunk +seem to run with your changes. + +I'll run some tests, probably tomorrow, with your layer22 changes +to see if they can be run out of mnt. If so we should probably +restore at least the Makefile.pamphlet you made. + +I'll let you know the results of the tests. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 06:12:19 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AE5II-0003Fs-Sm + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:12:18 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AE5IG-0003EY-HC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:12:16 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AE5Hi-0002sg-TC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:12:14 -0500 +Received: from [194.25.134.17] (helo=mailout02.sul.t-online.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AE5Hi-0002sd-HY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:11:42 -0500 +Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp + id 1AE5Hg-0004GR-0B; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:11:40 +0100 +Received: from wzocher.dialin.t-online.de + (rPGr0GZcgeMQLcIvQBwN0yuS6qnwZ0LMgBDm84LaQSbVkrT4nlYGcg@[62.157.66.199]) + by fwd00.sul.t-online.com + with esmtp id 1AE5HT-1Ueeiu0; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:11:27 +0100 +Sender: wolzoc@wzocher.dialin.t-online.de +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <200310270106.h9R16BV27226@localhost.localdomain> +From: WZocher@t-online.de (Wolfgang Zocher) +Date: 27 Oct 2003 12:09:46 +0100 +In-Reply-To: <200310270106.h9R16BV27226@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: +Lines: 17 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Seen: false +X-ID: rPGr0GZcgeMQLcIvQBwN0yuS6qnwZ0LMgBDm84LaQSbVkrT4nlYGcg +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, WZocher@t-online.de +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom build restored +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:12:17 -0000 + +root writes: + +Tim, + +> The Axiom CVS has been restored to a version that builds properly. +> Sorry for the problems. + +you really make me feel ashamed. You're doing a lot of great work with Axiom +while I'm only whining ... + +I wish I could help you - at the moment my knowledge about the details of the +Axiom system, its program structure etc. is too little to be ready for doing +something relevant unless I can help with tasks which don't require such +deeper knowledge ... + +Regards, +Wolfgang + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 06:58:40 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AE60G-0003jw-AG + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:57:44 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AE608-0003a1-2Y + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:57:36 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AE5yJ-0002PJ-F6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:56:15 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AE5yI-0002P5-Np + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:55:42 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (159.114.252.64.snet.net [64.252.114.159]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9RBtSSI154934; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:55:29 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9RBt3w27913; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:55:03 -0500 +Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:55:03 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310271155.h9RBt3w27913@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: WZocher@t-online.de +In-reply-to: +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom build restored +References: <200310270106.h9R16BV27226@localhost.localdomain> + +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, WZocher@t-online.de +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:57:43 -0000 + +Wolfgang, + +It is not my intention to make anyone feel ashamed. + +Building a running Axiom is a hard problem and involves many people +who are doing their work in the open where other people can watch. +Problems arise and we need people who are trying to use the system +to give us feedback when things don't work. To say that your effort +amounts to "I'm only whining" is to say that testing and bug reporting +is "only whining". Whining involves opinion; bug reporting involves +facts. You reported a fact that the system wouldn't build. That is +a valid contribution. + +Bug reports are always welcome. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 12:53:26 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEBYI-0004iD-JO + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:53:14 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEBXx-0004Qv-Fd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:52:53 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEBX0-0003te-VZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:52:27 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEBVn-0002q7-7F + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:50:39 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9RHOrv13245; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:24:54 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9RGjU028317; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:45:30 -0500 +Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:45:30 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310271645.h9RGjU028317@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +In-reply-to: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C3@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C3@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: algebra completion +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:53:12 -0000 + +Bill, + +I did a cvs update to get the latest version. +Then I did a cvs -r to get your previous src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet. +I did a rebuild of the system with your Makefile.pamphlet. +I ran the broken test cases. +Your Makefile.pamphlet solves a couple dozen problems. +Tonight I'm going to restore your Makefile.pamphlet as well as +the newly working regression tests. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 13:43:49 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECLF-0008WA-4N + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:43:49 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECLC-0008SV-Rb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:43:46 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECKT-0007JQ-Gy + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:43:32 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AECKP-00077r-Al + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:42:57 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9RIgoGv045068; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:42:50 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9RIgnar044903; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:42:49 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:43:13 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C6@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:43:13 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: layer22 +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:43:47 -0000 + +Tim + +On Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:43 PM you wrote: +> +> I noticed in the last build that you not only removed the +> databases but also your modifications to the +> src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet. + +If that is true then it certainly shows how much +I do not understand about CVS! It was not my +intention to remove the new algebra/Makefile.pamphlet +and I know for certain that it was *not* removed or +backed-out to the old version in the directory from +which I updated the CVS since I did a build of Axiom +right from that directory and ran the regression +tests. + +Odd. + +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 13:51:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECSP-00069S-Ga + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:51:13 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECSN-00068t-CN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:51:11 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECRr-00063D-Mi + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:51:10 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AECRr-000638-Bd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:50:39 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9RIob6S057185; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:50:37 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9RIobar057118; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:50:37 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:51:01 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C7@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Bill. Page1 (E-mail)'" , "'daly@idsi.net'" + +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] RE: layer22 +Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:51:00 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:51:12 -0000 + +Tim, + +I just checked the CVS using the Web interface on +Savannah + + +http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/axiom/axiom/src/algebra/Makefile. +pamphlet + +and it shows only the new version 1.3 of the algebra +Makefile.pamphlet that I uploaded (along with the +bad databases) last Friday morning. When you were +building Axiom you must have got the old one from +somewhere else. No? + +No comprendo. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +On Monday, October 27, 2003 1:43 PM I wrote: +> +> On Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:43 PM you wrote: +> > +> > I noticed in the last build that you not only removed the +> > databases but also your modifications to the +> > src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet. +> +> If that is true then it certainly shows how much +> I do not understand about CVS! +> ... + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 13:58:54 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECZp-0002eI-OB + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:58:53 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECZm-0002cs-As + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:58:50 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECZD-0002QF-Sp + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:58:47 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=mwinf0601.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AECZD-0002PX-Ek + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:58:15 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-26-78.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.41.78]) + by mwinf0601.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 72AAC3400167; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:58:12 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AECZ8-0001uN-00; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:58:10 +0100 +To: "Bill. Page1 (E-mail)" +Subject: On CVS (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: layer22) +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C6@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:58:10 +0100 +In-Reply-To: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C6@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill Page's message of "Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:43:13 -0500") +Message-ID: <87oew2mrst.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'daly@idsi.net'" +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:58:51 -0000 + +Hello Bill, + +"Page, Bill" writes: + +> and I know for certain that it was *not* removed or +> backed-out to the old version in the directory from +> which I updated the CVS since I did a build of Axiom +> right from that directory and ran the regression +> tests. + +Your right. The src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet currently in CVS is yours: +http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/axiom/axiom/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet?graph=1.3 + +1.3 - 24-Oct-2003 12:33:11 - billpage1 - HEAD + +Please notice that cvs tells you what it does. It is somewhat encoded +(e.g. in a cvs update) but the information is there. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 14:03:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECe1-0003kA-Ej + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:03:13 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECdz-0003jC-D7 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:03:11 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECcj-0003OU-83 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:02:24 -0500 +Received: from [193.170.37.126] (helo=swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AECce-0003Lp-FW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:01:48 -0500 +Received: from enceladus.risc.uni-linz.ac.at + (hemmecke@dragonfly.risc.uni-linz.ac.at [193.170.37.117]) + by swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id + h9RJ1CON011902; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:01:12 +0100 +Message-ID: +X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.1 on Linux +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:01:12 +0100 (CET) +Sender: hemmecke@enceladus.risc.uni-linz.ac.at +From: hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] axiom compilation problem (gcl) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:03:12 -0000 + +Hello, + +Some minutes ago, I downloaded the anonymous CVS module + +cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co axiom + +There is now a default version 2.6.1 in Makefile.pamphlet which is +put into Makefile but not into Makefile.dvi. + +The gcl versions 2.4.1 and 2.5 are not in the zips directory. + +Best +Ralf + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 14:13:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECnf-0005x9-O9 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:13:11 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECne-0005wv-2Z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:13:10 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AECn7-0005ba-La + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:13:08 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AECn3-0005av-UX + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:12:34 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9RJCXie091904; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:12:33 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9RJCWar091835; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:12:32 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:12:56 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C8@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom compilation problem (gcl) +Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:12:55 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:13:10 -0000 + +Ralf, + +That is correct. Axiom is now built (by default) +using GCL 2.6.1. GCL versions 2.4.1 and 2.5 are +out of date. It is still possible (by a small +modification) to build with the previous version +of GCL which was 2.5.2. + +When you say "not the Makefile.dvi" do you mean that +this documentation file is not up to date with these +changes? If so, then that should not affect the build +of Axiom and will be corrected as part of the build +process. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +> [mailto:hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at] +> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:01 PM +> To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] axiom compilation problem (gcl) +> +> +> Hello, +> +> Some minutes ago, I downloaded the anonymous CVS module +> +> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co axiom +> +> There is now a default version 2.6.1 in Makefile.pamphlet which is +> put into Makefile but not into Makefile.dvi. +> +> The gcl versions 2.4.1 and 2.5 are not in the zips directory. +> +> Best +> Ralf +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 20:02:49 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEIFx-0005C3-FI + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:02:45 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEIEi-0004dU-Kh + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:01:28 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEIE4-0004TH-Tr + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:01:20 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEIE3-0004NE-Ia + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:00:47 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEICo-00018J-9J + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:59:30 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9S0wxNn016035; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:58:59 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9S0wwar015968; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:58:58 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:59:22 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CA@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Camm Maguire'" +Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:59:21 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: On statically linked Axiom (was: static lisp + and rpms) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 01:02:41 -0000 + +Camm, + +When using the -enable-static option on configure under +RedHat Linux 8.0 and gcc 3.3.2 is it expected that the +gcl image be only about 180kbytes larger than without +the -enable-static option? Fram a 6 Mbyte image, this +seems like a surprizingly small change in size to me. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:camm@enhanced.com] +> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:56 PM +> To: Bill Page +> Cc: daly@idsi.net; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; gcl-devel@gnu.org +> Subject: Re: On statically linked Axiom (was: static lisp and rpms) +> +> +> Greetings! OK, thanks for the report -- I've just committed a fix in +> cvs 2.6.1 and head. The patch is in two parts, one loads weak symbols +> as well as undefined symbols into the bfd symbol table, and the other +> maps the 't' and 'nil stream descriptors properly in optimized +> references to read-char. These will be in the next stable and +> unstable release on the temp site. +> ... +> > +> > On Monday, October 20, 2003 11:45 PM Tim wrote: +> > +> > > +> > > The statically linked GCL image has a problem: +> > > +> > > make file foo.lisp: +> > > +> > > (defun test (st) (read-char st)) +> > > +> > > at lisp prompt: +> > > +> > > >(compile-file "foo.lisp") +> > > >(load "foo.o") +> > > +> > +> > I tried this under Windows with GCL 2.6.1 which is statically +> > linked without readline by default (I think?). It worked fine. +> > +> > So it seems that moving to 2.6.1, building with the new +> > .\configure --enable-static option and eliminating readline +> > might correct your static linking problem. +> > +> > Cheers, +> > Bill Page. +> > + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 23:22:32 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AELNI-0008M2-B5 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:22:32 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AELNF-0008I4-OG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:22:29 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AELMj-0007bf-JX + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:22:28 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AELMj-0007ZX-6s + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:21:57 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (69.0.60.31.adsl.snet.net [69.0.60.31]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9S4LtuI124602 + for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:21:55 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9S4LS528600; + Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:21:28 -0500 +Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:21:28 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310280421.h9S4LS528600@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] cvs +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:22:30 -0000 + +I've added new regression tests to the src/input/Makefile.pamphlet. +I've recreated Makefile.dvi + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 05:02:29 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEQgH-0002KO-5F + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:02:29 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEQgD-0002J7-RS + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:02:25 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEQfh-00029A-Am + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:02:24 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEQfg-00028v-Ri + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:01:52 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SA1iiK011135; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:01:44 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SA1har011068; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:01:43 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:02:07 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Camm Maguire'" +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:02:06 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: "'axiom-developer@nongnu.org'" , + "'daly@idsi.net'" , + "'gcl-devel@gnu.org'" +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: On statically linked Axiom (was: static lisp + and rpms) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:02:27 -0000 + +Camm, + +Sorry, let me correct my report of the size of GCL +under a static build. The size difference that I +really see is + + 7.275 Mb. (static) versus 5.930 Mb. (dynamic) + +That's a difference of 1.345 Mb. - more reasonable? + +Note also that the dynamic library version was build +using gcc 3.2. + +The number that I reported previously was just the +different due to the change from gcc 3.2.1 to 3.3.2. + +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Page, Bill +> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:59 PM +> To: 'Camm Maguire' +> Cc: daly@idsi.net; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; gcl-devel@gnu.org +> Subject: RE: On statically linked Axiom (was: static lisp and rpms) +> +> +> Camm, +> +> When using the -enable-static option on configure under +> RedHat Linux 8.0 and gcc 3.3.2 is it expected that the +> gcl image be only about 180kbytes larger than without +> the -enable-static option? Fram a 6 Mbyte image, this +> seems like a surprizingly small change in size to me. +> +> Cheers, +> Bill Page. +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 06:29:53 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AES2l-0005U2-HW + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:29:47 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AES2b-0005Hq-KL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:29:37 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AES1t-0004Ys-4i + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:29:25 -0500 +Received: from [134.93.178.129] (helo=mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AES12-00045t-Oo + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:28:00 -0500 +Received: from exfront02.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront02.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.50]) + by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h9SBRpqe001384; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:27:51 +0100 (MET) +Received: from EXSTORE2.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront02.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:27:48 +0100 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Subject: RE: On CVS (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: layer22) +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:27:50 +0100 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC046C6484@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: On CVS (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: layer22) +Thread-Index: AcOcvQEvPagX84kqQUqyzLbY+9CIAAAiQ1Jg +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: "David MENTRE" , + "Bill. Page1 (E-mail)" +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2003 11:27:48.0407 (UTC) + FILETIME=[83FB6C70:01C39D46] +X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:29:45 -0000 + +I had a look at the algebra Makefile, and it seems that +the domains/packages INTRVL, ODEEF and RSDCMPK are not +build. So without them, the database is incomplete and +it is not possible to recompile the system with the +incomplete database. + +Regards + +Juergen Weiss + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: David MENTRE [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:58 PM +> To: Bill. Page1 (E-mail) +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; 'daly@idsi.net' +> Subject: On CVS (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: layer22) +> +> +> Hello Bill, +> +> "Page, Bill" writes: +> +> > and I know for certain that it was *not* removed or +> > backed-out to the old version in the directory from +> > which I updated the CVS since I did a build of Axiom +> > right from that directory and ran the regression +> > tests. +> +> Your right. The src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet currently in +> CVS is yours: +> http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/axiom/axiom/src/alg +ebra/Makefile.pamphlet?graph=3D1.3 + +1.3 - 24-Oct-2003 12:33:11 - billpage1 - HEAD + +Please notice that cvs tells you what it does. It is somewhat encoded +(e.g. in a cvs update) but the information is there. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + +_______________________________________________ +Axiom-developer mailing list +Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 06:54:04 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AESPK-00028R-06 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:53:06 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AESKC-0001BZ-RG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:47:48 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AESJL-0008CF-6S + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:47:27 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AESJF-00080v-Rd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:46:49 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SBkVWH055795; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:46:31 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SBkUar055728; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:46:30 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:46:54 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CC@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Weiss, Juergen'" +Subject: RE: On CVS (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: layer22) +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:46:54 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:53:04 -0000 + +Juergen, + +Thank you very much for looking at this! You are right +that the three modules you mentioned are missing from +the layers defined in the current algebra/Makefile. +I have added them and am currently re-building a system +including these. Then I will try to repeat the build +with the resulting databases files. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Weiss, Juergen [mailto:weiss@uni-mainz.de] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:28 AM +> To: David MENTRE; Bill. Page1 (E-mail) +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net +> Subject: RE: On CVS (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: layer22) +> +> +> I had a look at the algebra Makefile, and it seems that +> the domains/packages INTRVL, ODEEF and RSDCMPK are not +> build. So without them, the database is incomplete and +> it is not possible to recompile the system with the +> incomplete database. +> +> Regards +> +> Juergen Weiss +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 07:56:29 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AETOe-0007iA-QN + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:56:28 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AETOb-0007gX-TT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:56:25 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AETO4-0007Wl-Oo + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:56:23 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AETGa-0005sQ-5i + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:48:08 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (64.114.252.64.snet.net [64.252.114.64]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9SCleuI246696; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:47:40 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SClDq29301; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:47:13 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:47:13 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281247.h9SClDq29301@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +In-reply-to: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: On statically linked Axiom (was: static lisp + and rpms) +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, + gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:56:27 -0000 + +Bill, + +If you create a linux-static chunk in the top-level Makefile.pamphlet +then you can create the static image by setting the Axiom varialble to: + +export AXIOM=(yourpath)/axiom/mnt/linux-static + +then we can try a static build of Axiom + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 09:37:22 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEUyH-0001GL-NE + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:37:21 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEUuq-0000OU-R8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:33:48 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEUtj-00086I-Mo + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:33:10 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEUnz-0005Yj-Lk + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:26:43 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SEQH3N026590; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:26:17 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SEQGar026472; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:26:16 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:26:40 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CD@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:26:39 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: On statically linked Axiom (was: static lisp + and rpms) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:37:20 -0000 + +Tim, + +I have already completed a build with --enable-static. +However to get things to work I did two things: + +1) I replaced the gcl-2.6.1 tgz file in zips with the +more recent gcl-2.6.1-16 source from Camm's temporary +debian site. Since Camm had provided a patch in the +new version to handle readline in the static case. + +2) I upgraded my gcc compiler to version 3.3.2 (the +newest version) since other emails also indicated that +there were possible problems with older versions of gcc. + +It now seems to work. + +I was about to upload a binary to the files section for +others to try (since I only have RedHat Linux boxes here, +moving the static binary between them is not a real test), +but then Juergen pointed out that we still have three +missing algebra files, so I decided to include those files +before uploading the new static binary. + +I will also proceed as you suggest and modify the +Makefile.pamphlet to include a linux-static chuck, however +I have to think about this a bit more since the change to +the GCL configuration option is done in the lsp/Makefile. +So I think this means that it will have to be controlled +by the GCLVERSION environment variable. E.g. maybe + + GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.1-static + +and then it will use that to pull the right chunk +out of the lsp/Makefile.pamphlet. Right? + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:47 AM +> To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +> Cc: camm@enhanced.com; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net; +> gcl-devel@gnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: On statically linked Axiom +> (was: static lisp and rpms) +> +> +> Bill, +> +> If you create a linux-static chunk in the top-level +> Makefile.pamphlet then you can create the static image by +> setting the Axiom varialble to: +> +> export AXIOM=(yourpath)/axiom/mnt/linux-static +> +> then we can try a static build of Axiom +> +> Tim +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 09:56:30 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVGo-0007Ok-1p + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:56:30 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVEv-00069C-GM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:54:33 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVDy-0005XW-Gw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:54:05 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEVDq-0005VF-GM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:53:26 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SErDv14007; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:53:14 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SEDke07945; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:13:46 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:13:46 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281413.h9SEDke07945@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] linux-static chunk +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:56:28 -0000 + +I'm sure you already know this but I'll write it down anyway. +The steps to take are: + +A) CHANGES TO THE Makefile.pamphlet FILE: + +*) copy the linux chunk and rename it to linux-static. + This will set up almost all of the appropriate variables. The chunk + that gets used is decided by the basename of the $AXIOM variable. + So to select this new chunk you would make the AXIOM variable be: + AXIOM=(yourpath)/axiom/mnt/linux-static + This will create a Makefile.linux-static and invoke it. + +*) modify the linux-static chunk to include a new make variable + Something like + STATIC=--enable-static + +*) add this variable to the ENV variable + This "passes" the variable down to the next level of Makefile + which in this case is the lsp/Makefile. The reason this works + is that you can generally set a shell variable on the same + commandline as the call to make and the shell variables will + be seen by the make. The change will look something like: + ENV= ...... STATIC=${STATIC} + +*) hardcode the GCLVERSION variable in the linux-static chunk + GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.1-static + +*) add documentation to the new linux-static chunk to explain what + you are doing and why. + +*) run the document command on the top level Makefile.pamphlet thus: + SPAD=$AXIOM + PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH + document Makefile (don't add the .pamphlet) + +B) CHANGES TO THE zips DIRECTORY + +*) add the gcl-2.6.1-16.tgz to zips + +*) copy the zips/gcl-2.6.1*.patch files to zips/gcl-2.6.1-16*.patch + +*) cvs add gcl-2.6.1-16* + +C) CHANGES TO THE lsp/Makefile.pamphlet FILE + +*) modify the lsp/Makefile.pamphlet + so that the GCL configure line include ${STATIC}. Normally this + will expand to the null string so it won't change the behavior + of the normal build. When invoked from the Makefile.linux-static + the STATIC variable will be defined and will expand to --enable-static. + +*) document the change in the lsp/Makefile.pamphlet + +D) CHANGES TO THE CHANGELOG FILE + +*) add a comment to CHANGELOG + +copy the whole pile, try a build, and when it works check it all in. + +If you're really feeling ambitious you can go to www.testdrive.hp.com, +sign up for a password, and try it on several linux variants. I already +have a password so I'm likely to try it. + +Tim + + + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 09:57:23 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVHa-00080z-LF + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:57:18 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVHR-0007sh-4n + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:57:09 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVGt-0007Uo-1a + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:57:06 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEVGs-0007Tg-Da + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:56:34 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SEuNv14011; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:56:23 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SEGui08850; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:16:56 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:16:56 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281416.h9SEGui08850@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] linux-static chunk +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:57:14 -0000 + +In parallel I'll do a test build to see if gcl-2.6.1-16 works +properly. If so we can delete the gcl-2.6.1 image and move the +GCLVERSION variable to the -16 version. + +Is gcl-2.6.1-16.tgz in the cvs? + +Tim + + + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 09:58:59 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVJD-00013Y-7R + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58:59 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVJ9-0000yt-1H + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58:55 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVIb-0000cu-LH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58:52 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEVIa-0000W0-12 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58:20 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SEw6v5086050; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58:06 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SEw5ar085953; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58:05 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58:29 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CF@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58:28 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] readline and axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:58:57 -0000 + +Tim, Camm; + +Am I confused over how readline is supposed to work +with GCL and Axiom? + +Under the Windows version of GCL 2.6.1, I can enter +an expression like + + > (+ 1 1) + +and then hit the up arrow key and make a change +say to + + > (+ 1 2) + +and just hit enter to execute the edited line. + +I have not been able to do the equivalent under Axiom. +When I press up arrow I get + + ^[0A + +(^[ means "escape"?) which of course Axiom doesn't +understand. + +And I have just tested the new GCL 2.6.1-16 built +with --enable-static and --enable-readline and I get +the same weird characters rather than the "readline" +behaviour that I expected. + +Am I doing something wrong? Is there something that +has to be enabled in GCL as part of the startup? + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 10:07:44 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVRK-0005Zb-Fp + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:07:22 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVR9-0005R0-6z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:07:11 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVQN-00050s-EF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:06:54 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEVQA-0004qb-82 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:06:10 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEVP6-0005zX-N6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:05:04 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SF4Vv14019; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:04:37 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SEP4508882; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:25:04 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:25:04 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281425.h9SEP4508882@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] linux-static chunk +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:07:20 -0000 + +Bill, + +We use 2 "features" of noweb, the <> mechanism and +the [[quoting]] mechanism. (btw, I'm about to patch the +annoying tmpnam message by rewriting that code). + +We also have our own extension of noweb which uses code written by +David to do "booklets". Chunk names that begin with < +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom and readline +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:11:13 -0000 + +Bill, + +There is a program called clef, which is part of Axiom, that handles +this (as well as command completion for Axiom functions, etc). I'll +look at recovering it. + +Tim + + + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 10:11:34 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVRy-0006HF-Q0 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:08:02 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVRv-0006Dl-Si + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:07:59 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEVRK-0005Zr-TR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:07:54 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEVQm-0005BV-O6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:06:48 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SF6bv14023; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:06:37 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SER9J08893; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:27:09 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:27:09 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281427.h9SER9J08893@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] linux-static chunk +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:08:01 -0000 + +Bill, + +Also of note is that the Red Flag Linux person has a deep +interest in literate programming. Should be fun to add languages +to the list of things to think about. There is no reason why the +research work has to be in english. + +Tim + + + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 11:08:26 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEWOQ-0005YB-0p + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:08:26 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEWOO-0005Xn-4I + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:08:24 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEWNr-0005IU-36 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:08:23 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEWNq-0005Dv-4M + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:07:50 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEWNd-0007rA-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:07:37 -0500 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +References: +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 28 Oct 2003 11:07:37 -0500 +In-Reply-To: +Message-ID: <547k2pbb1y.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 35 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: 217644@bugs.debian.org, Martin Uecker , + control@bugs.debian.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Bug#217644: axiom: missing file: SIGNEF.o +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:08:24 -0000 + +forwarded 217644 axiom-developer@nongnu.org +thanks + +Greetings everyone! Another report of a missing file from a Debian +user -- is this linked with the COMBF.o issue? + +Take care, + +Martin Uecker writes: + +> Package: axiom +> Version: 0.0.0cvs-7 +> Severity: important +> +> +> This file seems critical for important functionality +> like integration: +> +> (5) -> integrate(1/x,x) +> Loading /usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/algebra/SIGNEF.o for +> package ElementaryFunctionSign +> +> >> System error: +> Cannot open the file /usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/algebra/SIGNEF.o. +> +> +> +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 11:14:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEWU1-0001fj-An + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:14:13 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEWTz-0001dl-GW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:14:11 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEWTP-0001Og-Es + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:14:06 -0500 +Received: from [193.170.37.126] (helo=swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEWTO-0001NE-SM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:13:35 -0500 +Received: from enceladus.risc.uni-linz.ac.at + (hemmecke@dragonfly.risc.uni-linz.ac.at [193.170.37.117]) + by swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id + h9SGD4rt006345; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:13:04 +0100 +Message-ID: +X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.1 on Linux +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +MIME-Version: 1.0 +In-Reply-To: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9C8@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:13:04 +0100 (CET) +Sender: hemmecke@enceladus.risc.uni-linz.ac.at +From: hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] axiom compilation succeded +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:14:12 -0000 + +Hello, + +I have just succeded to compile axiom on + +> uname -a +Linux dragonfly 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 +i686 unknown +(2.4GHz/1GB Debian Linux) + +without any problem. + +Congratulations to the developers! + +I know that AXIOM is still in a very early state, but I would like to +add a few comments. + +A good thing is that the compilation process works fine. After that +however, someone who wants to give a try on AXIOM, becomes certainly +rather frustrated. The reason is the missing documentation. OK, the +current stage is like that, but I think it is rather important, in +order to attract new people (users/developers/beta testers). I hope +the new axiom book is ready soon. + +It would be a good idea to provide at least some sample file with a +collection of commands that are most commonly used in first year +undergraduate courses. Of course the book by Jenks & Sutor is a good +reference, but not everyone has it. + +After I had finished the compilation, I looked for documentation. +Unfortunately only the various Makefile.dvi files yields some +information, but there is one other file + +mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi + +which, unfortunately is not a DVI file, but a LaTeX source. The +extension should be changed to avoid confusion. (OK, it is only for +the developers, so maybe it sould not be present in the anonymous +cvs.) + +What about ADVI. It seems that it has not been built during make. +Is this intensional or simply will come later when more documentation +files are available? + +Wouldn't it be a good idea to rename the top-level README to 00README +so that it appears first in the directory listing? I would expect that +it guides me through the system, telling me which things are finished +and which are not. This would certainly prevent people (like me) +asking stupid questions about non-existing (or better +not-yet-existing) stuff. + + + +Since I have done some development in Aldor, I am rather interested in +a connection of Aldor and Axiom. Unfortunately, the language is one +thing, the libraries on which to build one's own program are another. + +Is it intended that Manuel Bronstein's libraries libaldor and +libalgebra and the axiom library converge? I guess, at the moment they +are incompatible. If I now build some program on libalgebra, is there +a chance (in a nearer future) that I can run this inside AXIOM without +modification. Is someone working on such a connection? + +Best regards + +Ralf + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 11:45:19 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEWy5-0000hC-91 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:45:17 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEWy1-0000gi-PL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:45:13 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEWxT-0000XI-9x + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:45:10 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEWxO-0000WQ-W5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:44:35 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SGiOv14111; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:44:24 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SG4u118222; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:04:56 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:04:56 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281604.h9SG4u118222@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: muecker@gmx.de, Camm Maguire +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] SIGNEF.o +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:45:15 -0000 + +Martin, + +The latest version in the CVS solves this problem but thanks for +the bug report. + +Tim Daly +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + +Martin Uecker writes: + +> Package: axiom +> Version: 0.0.0cvs-7 +> Severity: important +> +> +> This file seems critical for important functionality +> like integration: +> +> (5) -> integrate(1/x,x) +> Loading /usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/algebra/SIGNEF.o for +> package ElementaryFunctionSign +> +> >> System error: +> Cannot open the file /usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/algebra/SIGNEF.o. +> + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 11:58:50 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXAy-0004Jd-Cs + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:58:36 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXAo-0004Cp-HQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:58:26 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEX80-0003JV-JS + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:56:03 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEX7z-0003Io-Jg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:55:31 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEX7m-0007vZ-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:55:18 -0500 +To: Tim Daly +References: <200310281604.h9SG4u118222@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 28 Oct 2003 11:55:18 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310281604.h9SG4u118222@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <54d6ch1evd.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 42 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, muecker@gmx.de +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: SIGNEF.o +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:58:34 -0000 + +Greetings! Great! I'll try another package release with the latest +stuff. + +Take care, + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Martin, +> +> The latest version in the CVS solves this problem but thanks for +> the bug report. +> +> Tim Daly +> axiom@tenkan.org +> daly@idsi.net +> +> +> Martin Uecker writes: +> +> > Package: axiom +> > Version: 0.0.0cvs-7 +> > Severity: important +> > +> > +> > This file seems critical for important functionality +> > like integration: +> > +> > (5) -> integrate(1/x,x) +> > Loading /usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/algebra/SIGNEF.o for +> > package ElementaryFunctionSign +> > +> > >> System error: +> > Cannot open the file /usr/lib/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/algebra/SIGNEF.o. +> > +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 12:10:55 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXMs-0007iI-M9 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:10:54 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXHh-0006xZ-PX + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:05:33 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXG9-0006R0-Ov + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:04:29 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEXEz-0005qi-VU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:02:46 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SH2Vv14131; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:02:31 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SGN3e19264; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:23:03 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:23:03 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281623.h9SGN3e19264@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] SIGNEF.o +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:53 -0000 + +Ralf, + +> I have just succeded to compile axiom on +> +> > uname -a +> Linux dragonfly 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 +> i686 unknown +> (2.4GHz/1GB Debian Linux) +> +> without any problem. + +Nice computer. Mail it to me :-) + +> +> Congratulations to the developers! + +>From all of us, thanks. Join the party and become a developer. + +> +> I know that AXIOM is still in a very early state, but I would like to +> add a few comments. +> +> A good thing is that the compilation process works fine. After that +> however, someone who wants to give a try on AXIOM, becomes certainly +> rather frustrated. The reason is the missing documentation. OK, the +> current stage is like that, but I think it is rather important, in +> order to attract new people (users/developers/beta testers). I hope +> the new axiom book is ready soon. + +Slowly but surely the docs are coming. I have a near-religious belief +in documentation so you will eventually see it. + +> +> It would be a good idea to provide at least some sample file with a +> collection of commands that are most commonly used in first year +> undergraduate courses. Of course the book by Jenks & Sutor is a good +> reference, but not everyone has it. + +The mnt/linux/input subdirectory contains commands that work. +Eventually these will be in the mnt/linux/doc directory with +explanations of the associated mathematics. + +> +> After I had finished the compilation, I looked for documentation. +> Unfortunately only the various Makefile.dvi files yields some +> information, but there is one other file +> +> mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi +> +> which, unfortunately is not a DVI file, but a LaTeX source. + +(humpf. a bug. mumble, mutter, moan. i biffed another one.) +We'll get it fixed tonight. Sorry about that. + +> which, unfortunately is not a DVI file, but a LaTeX source. The +> extension should be changed to avoid confusion. (OK, it is only for +> the developers, so maybe it sould not be present in the anonymous +> cvs.) +> +> What about ADVI. It seems that it has not been built during make. +> Is this intensional or simply will come later when more documentation +> files are available? + +I have done several experiments with ADVI. David Mentre has expressed +interest in looking at further development and integration. ADVI, as +it stands now, is mostly of interest because it demonstrates the power +of the dvi file format. We can embed \special tags that allow us to +include other pamphlets, include active graphics, include inline axiom +sessions, etc. In the long term this is very important. However we are +still recovering old functionality so there is very little time to +expend on new work yet. + +> +> Wouldn't it be a good idea to rename the top-level README to 00README +> so that it appears first in the directory listing? I would expect that +> it guides me through the system, telling me which things are finished +> and which are not. This would certainly prevent people (like me) +> asking stupid questions about non-existing (or better +> not-yet-existing) stuff. + +Umm, no. It appears that standard expectations are that we have a README +file (and a configure script). README exists to conform to that expectation. +The configure script is coming. I'll update the README later tonight. +I don't mind questions and don't consider them stupid. + +> Since I have done some development in Aldor, I am rather interested in +> a connection of Aldor and Axiom. Unfortunately, the language is one +> thing, the libraries on which to build one's own program are another. + +Aldor libraries seem to have a rather small overlap with Axiom libraries. +There are 1100+ domains, packages, and categories in Axiom and, though +many have tried, there is no easy way to make them available in Aldor. +(The key problem is that you have to implement underlying lisp functionality +in Aldor and that is a huge amount of work). Aldor programs can be used +with Axiom. + +> +> Is it intended that Manuel Bronstein's libraries libaldor and +> libalgebra and the axiom library converge? I guess, at the moment they +> are incompatible. If I now build some program on libalgebra, is there +> a chance (in a nearer future) that I can run this inside AXIOM without +> modification. Is someone working on such a connection? + +I doubt they'll converge. Some people want standalone code to implement +a particular algorithm and work in Aldor. Others want to write algorithms +in a general setting and work in Axiom. It is much easier to move an +Aldor program to Axiom than it is to move an Axiom program to Aldor. So +eventually I see Axiom containing algorithms originally written in Aldor +but not the reverse due to practical considerations mentioned above. +It's a minor point, really, as the algebra languages are the same. + + +Tim Daly +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 12:12:11 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXO6-00083U-TA + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:12:10 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXGS-0006Zx-OY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:04:16 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXFw-0006J1-KY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:04:15 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXFp-0006IH-B6; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:03:37 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEXFW-0007w3-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:03:18 -0500 +To: "Bill. Page1 (E-mail)" +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CF@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 28 Oct 2003 12:03:18 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CF@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Message-ID: <548yn51ei1.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 79 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'daly@idsi.net'" , + gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: readline and axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:12:05 -0000 + +Greetings! + +There is a small weakness in our current readline support which could +be addressed straightforwardly if/when I get a moment. The way it is +now, the readline library must be initialized at runtime via the lisp +command: + +(si::init-readline) + +The gcl wrapper script should eval this for you automatically, but it +is likely that axiom users will have to escape to lisp and run this +command unless we get something more robust implemented. On maxima, +this looks like + +:lisp (si::init-readline) + +In addition, our readline code will probe the running terminal, and +skip readline initialization if the controlling terminal is not +readline capable, e.g. an emacs shell buffer, and ilisp emacs +interface to gcl, etc. Here is the existing code for this test: + + if (!isatty(0)) + return; + + if ((cp=getenv("TERM")) && !strcmp(cp,"dumb")) + return; + +Bill, you have access to linux too, no? Would be nice if you could +report any readline functionality differences between the to ports, if +any. + +Take care, + +"Page, Bill" writes: + +> Tim, Camm; +> +> Am I confused over how readline is supposed to work +> with GCL and Axiom? +> +> Under the Windows version of GCL 2.6.1, I can enter +> an expression like +> +> > (+ 1 1) +> +> and then hit the up arrow key and make a change +> say to +> +> > (+ 1 2) +> +> and just hit enter to execute the edited line. +> +> I have not been able to do the equivalent under Axiom. +> When I press up arrow I get +> +> ^[0A +> +> (^[ means "escape"?) which of course Axiom doesn't +> understand. +> +> And I have just tested the new GCL 2.6.1-16 built +> with --enable-static and --enable-readline and I get +> the same weird characters rather than the "readline" +> behaviour that I expected. +> +> Am I doing something wrong? Is there something that +> has to be enabled in GCL as part of the startup? +> +> Regards, +> Bill Page. +> +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 12:27:12 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXb7-0004Hw-BF + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:25:37 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXb0-00046J-80 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:25:30 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXYO-0002Wx-HY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:19 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEXJx-0007Ly-HG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:07:53 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SH7gv14139; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:07:43 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SGSFO19286; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:28:15 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:28:15 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281628.h9SGSFO19286@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, camm@enhanced.com +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] readline +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:25:36 -0000 + +If you add the line: + +)lisp (si::init-readline) + +to your .axiom.input file it will get executed when Axiom starts. + +Tim Daly +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 12:38:05 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXnB-0008M9-0s + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:38:05 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXn7-0008K5-O6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:38:01 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXfj-0006rp-Bk + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:30:54 -0500 +Received: from [193.170.37.126] (helo=swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEXe2-00064p-Ba + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:28:38 -0500 +Received: from enceladus.risc.uni-linz.ac.at + (hemmecke@dragonfly.risc.uni-linz.ac.at [193.170.37.117]) + by swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id + h9SHRqrt010653; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:27:52 +0100 +Message-ID: +X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.1 on Linux +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +MIME-Version: 1.0 +In-Reply-To: <200310281623.h9SGN3e19264@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:27:52 +0100 (CET) +Sender: hemmecke@enceladus.risc.uni-linz.ac.at +From: hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +To: daly@idsi.net +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: SIGNEF.o +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:38:03 -0000 + +Hello, + +> It is much easier to move an Aldor program to Axiom than it is to +> move an Axiom program to Aldor. + +Yes, I know. I don't expect that Axiom (sub-) programs can be +extracted. What I am interested in is to use axiom as a front-end for +my program. + +Thus I will have add some functionality to my aldor domains (which +are, in fact, developed without any axiom domain). Is there someone +who has made some toy example available? + +To make things easy, I want to build on as few axiom domains as +possible but still want my program run inside axiom. So, in fact, I'd +like to have the interpreter capabilities of axiom for my program. + +Of course, I am willing to help to establish such a connection, but I +guess, there were already others who have made such connections +without using src/share/algebra/libaxiom.al. + +How was libaxiom.al produced? Are there Aldor sources for it +somewhere. Maybe I can find out the necessary things myself and create +a sublibrary for my intended purpose. + +Best, + +Ralf + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 12:41:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXqU-00010s-Ti + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:41:30 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXqR-0000zK-Js + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:41:27 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXpt-0000qQ-Ox + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:41:24 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEXep-0006Tx-FG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:29:27 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SHT9f0094473; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:29:09 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SHT8ar094406; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:29:08 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:29:32 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D0@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Camm Maguire'" +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:29:31 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'daly@idsi.net'" , + gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: readline and axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:41:29 -0000 + +Camm, + +On Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:03 PM you wrote: + +> ... readline library must be initialized at runtime via +> the lisp command: +> +> (si::init-readline) +> +> The gcl wrapper script should eval this for you automatically, +> but it is likely that axiom users will have to escape to lisp +> and run this command unless we get something more robust +> implemented. + +Ok, that's clear. Can we still do something like pass an +-eval '(si::init-readline)' option to GCL when we startup +the Axiom image? And expect it to be executed before the +first prompt? + +But Tim also suggests the use of .axiom.input. I guess +that would be ok if it was automatically installed. + +> Bill, you have access to linux too, no? + +Yes. In fact for the moment I am primarily working with +linux. (I can only take the frustrations of trying to +force Axiom to live with Windows for short periods...) + +> Would be nice if you could report any readline functionality +> differences between the to ports, if any. +> + +Well, I did observe that when I start GCL 2.6.1 on windows, +I don't have to do anything to start readline. So I guess +the (si::init-readline) got executed somehow but it is not +in the GCL.BAT startup file. + +I'll let you know more once I actually see it work +under Linux. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 12:46:10 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXud-00057i-Qw + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:45:47 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXuJ-0004Ee-2D + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:45:27 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXsq-0002aW-Pf + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:44:27 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEXs1-0001tQ-Pz + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:43:05 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SHgdv14178; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:42:39 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SH3Ae23456; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:03:10 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:03:10 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281703.h9SH3Ae23456@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] libaldor +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:45:46 -0000 + +Ralf, + +> Yes, I know. I don't expect that Axiom (sub-) programs can be +> extracted. What I am interested in is to use axiom as a front-end for +> my program. +> +> Thus I will have add some functionality to my aldor domains (which +> are, in fact, developed without any axiom domain). Is there someone +> who has made some toy example available? + +I don't know of any toy examples. There might be some documentation +in the NAG docs. I'll look tonight. If you're willing to email me +your code I could look at it and suggest possible solutions. + +> To make things easy, I want to build on as few axiom domains as +> possible but still want my program run inside axiom. So, in fact, I'd +> like to have the interpreter capabilities of axiom for my program. +> +> Of course, I am willing to help to establish such a connection, but I +> guess, there were already others who have made such connections +> without using src/share/algebra/libaxiom.al. +> +> How was libaxiom.al produced? Are there Aldor sources for it +> somewhere. Maybe I can find out the necessary things myself and create +> a sublibrary for my intended purpose. + +I no longer remember exactly. But Aldor can generate .c files which +get compiled to .o files. I believe these are boxed up into a .a +library using ar. Aldor can also generate lisp files and these can +be used inside Axiom (which is just lisp). The algebra connection +is a fluffier subject and I'm going to have to do some behind-the-scenes +review about how that works exactly. + +Tim +axiom@tenkan.org +daly@idsi.net + + + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 12:51:52 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEY0W-0000e3-8O + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:51:52 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEY0S-0000bj-MF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:51:48 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEXzv-0000OO-1b + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:51:46 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEXzu-0000FW-FA + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:51:14 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SHosoi015107; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:50:54 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SHorar015040; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:50:53 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:51:17 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D2@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Camm Maguire'" +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:51:17 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: "'axiom-developer@nongnu.org'" , + "'daly@idsi.net'" , + "'gcl-devel@gnu.org'" +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: readline and axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:51:50 -0000 + +Camm, + +Is it usual for GCL to ouput a long stream of messages +following the + + (si::init-readline) + +call? What I see when I start the --endable-static image +that was generated during the Axiom build after the +(si::init-readline) is + + starting address -T 0x86b04c0 Finished loading ... gcl_readline.o + T + "Gcl" + 1 + (":INTERN: ":STEP" ..... + + etc. for about 200 lines of output or so + + ... "PUSH-OPTION-BINDING") + +After which readline actually does behave as I had +hoped and allows me to edit. + +Regards, +Bill Page. + +On Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:30 PM I wrote: +> +> On Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:03 PM you wrote: +> +> > ... readline library must be initialized at runtime via +> > the lisp command: +> > +> > (si::init-readline) +> > +> ... +> > Would be nice if you could report any readline functionality +> > differences between the to ports, if any. +> > +> +> Well, I did observe that when I start GCL 2.6.1 on windows, +> I don't have to do anything to start readline. So I guess +> the (si::init-readline) got executed somehow but it is not +> in the GCL.BAT startup file. +> +> I'll let you know more once I actually see it work +> under Linux. +> +> Cheers, +> Bill Page. +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 12:59:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEY85-0004zK-6d + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:59:41 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEY82-0004xp-82 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:59:38 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEY7U-0004oJ-UI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:59:36 -0500 +Received: from [193.170.37.126] (helo=swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEY7R-0004l6-0Z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:59:01 -0500 +Received: from enceladus.risc.uni-linz.ac.at + (hemmecke@dragonfly.risc.uni-linz.ac.at [193.170.37.117]) + by swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id + h9SHwJrt012002; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:58:19 +0100 +Message-ID: +X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.1 on Linux +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +MIME-Version: 1.0 +In-Reply-To: <200310281703.h9SH3Ae23456@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:58:19 +0100 (CET) +Sender: hemmecke@enceladus.risc.uni-linz.ac.at +From: hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +To: daly@idsi.net +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: libaldor +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:59:39 -0000 + +Dear Tim, + +>> How was libaxiom.al produced? + +> I no longer remember exactly. But Aldor can generate .c files which +> get compiled to .o files. I believe these are boxed up into a .a +> library using ar. + +That is correct. My question was directed to the sources. There must +be some .as files somewhere which where used to produce libaxiom.a. +>From them I could perhaps make a link and a corresponding description +available. At least I would like to have a look into it to see how +much work it would be. + +> The algebra connection is a fluffier subject + +Since I don't need the axiom algebra, the connection to algebra +domains is not so important (at least not at the moment). Anyway, I +guess that connection from my private types to axiom algebra types is +just a matter of data conversion. I would do this when I see need for +it. + +Ralf + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:03:01 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYBI-0005kn-U0 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:03:00 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYBF-0005jL-OQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:02:57 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYAd-0005YT-TM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:02:51 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEYAa-0005WE-JH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:02:16 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SI20v14216; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:02:00 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SHMW524425; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:22:32 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:22:32 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281722.h9SHMW524425@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] clef +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:02:59 -0000 + +Bill, + +Axiom's command-line editor (clef) has been recovered and works. I'll +upload it tonight. Memory fails me and I haven't had time to look at +it deeply but I believe it can do things like function-name completion +in Axiom. As a side-effect the mnt/linux/bin/axiom executable will +now become a shell script. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:03:45 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYC1-0005xb-Ff + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:03:45 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYBz-0005x0-GC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:03:43 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYBS-0005oE-TM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:03:41 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEYBS-0005ns-9L + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:03:10 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEYB6-00081A-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:02:48 -0500 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] linux-static chunk +References: <200310281416.h9SEGui08850@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 28 Oct 2003 13:02:48 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310281416.h9SEGui08850@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <54znflz1dj.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 42 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:03:44 -0000 + +Greetings! + +Tim Daly writes: + +> In parallel I'll do a test build to see if gcl-2.6.1-16 works +> properly. If so we can delete the gcl-2.6.1 image and move the +> GCLVERSION variable to the -16 version. +> + +Great, please let me know if there are problems. + +> Is gcl-2.6.1-16.tgz in the cvs? +> + +Yes. In general, at least until ftp.gnu.org is again available, my +development procedure is to commit all changes either to the +Version_2_6_1 or HEAD CVS branch, then at some interval when an +important change is made, build and release the cvs tagged version as +a Debian package, which then automatically updates the temporary +website. + +Take care, + +> Tim +> +> +> +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:04:50 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYD3-0006IG-Vs + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:04:49 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYD0-0006GU-BW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:04:46 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYCk-0006Bv-If + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:04:41 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEY8s-0005Bb-DH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:00:30 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEY8X-00080v-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:00:09 -0500 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] linux-static chunk +References: <200310281413.h9SEDke07945@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 28 Oct 2003 13:00:09 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310281413.h9SEDke07945@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <544qxt1bva.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 116 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:04:47 -0000 + +Greetings! + +Just a quick query and an observation -- + +Why would anyone want a static axiom? + +Currently gcc warns about several c library functions used by gcl +which must be present in identical dynamic library form at runtime +even with the static image: + +gcc -o raw_gcl \ + -L. -u __gmpn_toom3_mul_n -lgcl -static -lm -lgmp /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.2/../../../libbfd.a /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.2/../../../libiberty.a -lreadline -lncurses -lc -lgclp +> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.2/../../../libreadline.a(complete.o)(.text+0x1c71): In function `rl_username_completion_function': +: warning: Using 'getpwent' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking +./libgcl.a(unixfsys.o)(.text+0xc7): In function `coerce_to_filename': +: warning: Using 'getpwnam' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking +./libgcl.a(unixfsys.o)(.text+0x165): In function `coerce_to_filename': +: warning: Using 'getpwuid' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking +/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.2/../../../libreadline.a(complete.o)(.text+0x1c62): In function `rl_username_completion_function': +: warning: Using 'setpwent' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking +/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.2/../../../libreadline.a(complete.o)(.text+0x1d0d): In function `rl_username_completion_function': +: warning: Using 'endpwent' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking +./libgcl.a(nsocket.o)(.text+0x351): In function `fSgetpeername': +: warning: Using 'gethostbyaddr' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking +./libgcl.a(nsocket.o)(.text+0xa3f): In function `CreateSocketAddress': +: warning: Using 'gethostbyname' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking + +This would also seem to lessen any attractiveness in a static image. + +Take care, + + +Tim Daly writes: + +> I'm sure you already know this but I'll write it down anyway. +> The steps to take are: +> +> A) CHANGES TO THE Makefile.pamphlet FILE: +> +> *) copy the linux chunk and rename it to linux-static. +> This will set up almost all of the appropriate variables. The chunk +> that gets used is decided by the basename of the $AXIOM variable. +> So to select this new chunk you would make the AXIOM variable be: +> AXIOM=(yourpath)/axiom/mnt/linux-static +> This will create a Makefile.linux-static and invoke it. +> +> *) modify the linux-static chunk to include a new make variable +> Something like +> STATIC=--enable-static +> +> *) add this variable to the ENV variable +> This "passes" the variable down to the next level of Makefile +> which in this case is the lsp/Makefile. The reason this works +> is that you can generally set a shell variable on the same +> commandline as the call to make and the shell variables will +> be seen by the make. The change will look something like: +> ENV= ...... STATIC=${STATIC} +> +> *) hardcode the GCLVERSION variable in the linux-static chunk +> GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.1-static +> +> *) add documentation to the new linux-static chunk to explain what +> you are doing and why. +> +> *) run the document command on the top level Makefile.pamphlet thus: +> SPAD=$AXIOM +> PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH +> document Makefile (don't add the .pamphlet) +> +> B) CHANGES TO THE zips DIRECTORY +> +> *) add the gcl-2.6.1-16.tgz to zips +> +> *) copy the zips/gcl-2.6.1*.patch files to zips/gcl-2.6.1-16*.patch +> +> *) cvs add gcl-2.6.1-16* +> +> C) CHANGES TO THE lsp/Makefile.pamphlet FILE +> +> *) modify the lsp/Makefile.pamphlet +> so that the GCL configure line include ${STATIC}. Normally this +> will expand to the null string so it won't change the behavior +> of the normal build. When invoked from the Makefile.linux-static +> the STATIC variable will be defined and will expand to --enable-static. +> +> *) document the change in the lsp/Makefile.pamphlet +> +> D) CHANGES TO THE CHANGELOG FILE +> +> *) add a comment to CHANGELOG +> +> copy the whole pile, try a build, and when it works check it all in. +> +> If you're really feeling ambitious you can go to www.testdrive.hp.com, +> sign up for a password, and try it on several linux variants. I already +> have a password so I'm likely to try it. +> +> Tim +> +> +> +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:12:09 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYK8-0000nc-V6 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:12:08 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYK6-0000lm-3u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:12:06 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYJZ-0000ba-Lp + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:12:04 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEYIL-0000Ky-6O + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:10:17 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SIA6v14235; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:10:06 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SHUco24466; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:30:38 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:30:38 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281730.h9SHUco24466@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] libaldor +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:12:07 -0000 + +Ralf, + +Yes, there must be .as files somewhere corresponding to the libaldor +file. Unfortunately I don't believe these sources are available though +I may be wrong. Contact www.aldor.org and/or NAG for an authoritative +answer. + +Assuming you used libaldor it shouldn't be particularly hard to +get it running in Axiom. Mostly I suspect it involves killing +the semicolons :-) + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:14:40 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYMX-0001tq-HK + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:14:37 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYMU-0001t8-6h + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:14:34 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYLx-0001de-8b + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:14:33 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEYLu-0001cm-RZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:13:58 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SIDmv14239; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:13:48 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SHYKZ24483; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:34:20 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:34:20 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281734.h9SHYKZ24483@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] static axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:14:35 -0000 + +Camm, + +We have the usual struggle with dynamic libraries and their versions. +The idea was raised that if we could get Axiom build in a static +linked version we wouldn't have to deal with this issue. + +glibc is likely to be installed on most machines but other libraries +appear not to be. Static linking may not solve all of the porting +issues but it might help. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:17:26 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYPA-000396-5s + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:17:20 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYOc-0002ic-Tk + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:16:46 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYN5-00022e-RB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:15:43 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEYMa-0001uJ-DC + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:14:40 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SIEbbS042798; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:14:37 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SIEaar042699; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:14:36 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:15:00 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D4@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Camm Maguire'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] linux-static chunk +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:15:00 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:17:19 -0000 + +Camm, + +On Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:00 PM you wrote: +> +> Just a quick query and an observation -- +> +> Why would anyone want a static axiom? +> +> Currently gcc warns about several c library functions used +> by gcl which must be present in identical dynamic library +> form at runtime even with the static image: +> + +Umm, well ... + +The idea came originally (I think from Joris who says that +they produce a static version of TeXmacs for installation +on a wide range of linux machines, (i.e. no special library +dependencies to worry about). + +But are you saying that this is *not* possible with GCL? + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:18:38 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYPw-0004LX-2H + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:18:08 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYPS-0003eC-H8 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:17:38 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYOj-0002p9-Br + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:17:24 -0500 +Received: from [134.93.178.130] (helo=mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEYO4-0002Q6-P4 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:16:12 -0500 +Received: from zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.8.20]) + by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h9SIG7wZ016140 + (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) + for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:16:07 +0100 (MET) +Received: from zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id + h9SIG8jl005056 + for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:16:08 +0100 (CET) + (envelope-from weiss@uni-mainz.de) +Received: (from weiss@localhost) + by zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id h9SIG8q8005053; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:16:08 +0100 (CET) +X-Authentication-Warning: zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE: weiss set sender to + weiss@uni-mainz.de using -f +Sender: weiss@uni-mainz.de +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +From: Juergen Weiss +Date: 28 Oct 2003 19:16:08 +0100 +Message-ID: +Lines: 47 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Patch for algebra Makefile +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:18:06 -0000 + + +With the following patch applied, I was able +to compile the algebra, generate a new +database and regenerate the algebra with the +new database. INTRVL and ODEEF should +probably get compiled earlier. But at least +it works. + +Index: Makefile.pamphlet +=================================================================== +RCS file: /cvsroot/axiom/axiom/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet,v +retrieving revision 1.3 +diff -a -u -r1.3 Makefile.pamphlet +--- Makefile.pamphlet 24 Oct 2003 11:33:11 -0000 1.3 ++++ Makefile.pamphlet 28 Oct 2003 18:09:07 -0000 +@@ -1025,7 +1025,7 @@ + newpoint.spad.pamphlet (SUBSPACE) + nregset.spad.pamphlet (NTSCAT) + primelt.spad.pamphlet (FSPRMELT) +-regset.spad.pamphlet (REGSET RSETGCD) ++regset.spad.pamphlet (REGSET RSETGCD RSDCMPK) + sregset.spad.pamphlet (SFRTCAT SRDCMPK SREGSET) + sttf.spad.pamphlet (STTF) + transsolve.spad.pamphlet (SOLVETRA) +@@ -1038,7 +1038,7 @@ + ${OUT}/FSPRMELT.o ${OUT}/INBFF.o \ + ${OUT}/LODO.o ${OUT}/LODO1.o ${OUT}/LODO2.o \ + ${OUT}/NTSCAT.o ${OUT}/REGSET.o \ +- ${OUT}/RGCHAIN.o ${OUT}/RSETGCD.o \ ++ ${OUT}/RGCHAIN.o ${OUT}/RSETGCD.o ${OUT}/RSDCMPK.o \ + ${OUT}/SFRTCAT.o ${OUT}/SIGNEF.o ${OUT}/SNTSCAT.o \ + ${OUT}/SOLVETRA.o ${OUT}/SRDCMPK.o ${OUT}/SREGSET.o ${OUT}/STTF.o \ + ${OUT}/SUBSPACE.o ${OUT}/ZDSOLVE.o +@@ -1062,7 +1062,7 @@ + LAYER23=\ + ${OUT}/CPIMA.o ${OUT}/IRURPK.o ${OUT}/LAZM3PK.o ${OUT}/LEXTRIPK.o \ + ${OUT}/NORMPK.o ${OUT}/QCMPACK.o ${OUT}/RURPK.o ${OUT}/SFRGCD.o \ +- ${OUT}/SFQCMPK.o ++ ${OUT}/SFQCMPK.o ${OUT}/INTRVL.o ${OUT}/ODEEF.o + @ + \subsection{Order} + The final order of the layers is determined here. + + +-- +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:21:27 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYT9-00066W-G7 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:21:27 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYT7-00065x-7e + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:21:25 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYSZ-00062A-3f + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:21:22 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEYSY-00061b-2s + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:20:50 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9SIKav14256; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:20:36 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9SHf8026501; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:41:08 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:41:08 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310281741.h9SHf8026501@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +In-reply-to: <873cddkz1c.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (message from David MENTRE on Tue, 28 + Oct 2003 19:17:03 +0100) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] clef +References: <200310281722.h9SHMW524425@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <873cddkz1c.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:21:26 -0000 + +David, + +Ok. The executable will be mnt/linux/bin/AXIOMsys and +mnt/linux/bin/axiom will be a shell script again. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:25:55 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYXT-00072j-0Q + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:25:55 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYQP-0005MV-Df + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:18:37 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYPP-0003Yf-KQ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:18:07 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0803.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEYP6-00032o-9u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:17:16 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-33-238.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr + [81.249.60.238]) by mwinf0803.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 3711B18002BA; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:17:15 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEYOt-0000Pd-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:17:03 +0100 +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] clef +References: <200310281722.h9SHMW524425@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:17:03 +0100 +In-Reply-To: <200310281722.h9SHMW524425@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> (Tim Daly's + message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:22:32 -0500") +Message-ID: <873cddkz1c.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:25:52 -0000 + +Tim Daly writes: + +> As a side-effect the mnt/linux/bin/axiom executable will now become a +> shell script. + +Speaking of side-effects and TeXmacs interface, could you rename the +Axiom binary AXIOMsys or whatever the name was with NAG axiom? And in +general, could you follow the same naming convention that for the NAG +version? + +It would allow Bill to provide only one tm_axiom TeXmacs/Axiom that +would support both the free Axiom and NAG one. + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:29:12 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYaR-00016B-A2 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:28:59 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYZr-0000A0-7J + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:28:23 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYZI-0007zW-CD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:28:19 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYZ9-0007rI-Ts; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:27:40 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEYYu-00083x-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:27:24 -0500 +To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CD@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 28 Oct 2003 13:27:23 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CD@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Message-ID: <54smldw73o.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 88 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" , axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + "'daly@idsi.net'" , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] RE: On statically linked Axiom + (was: static lisp and rpms) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:28:56 -0000 + +Greetings! + +"Page, Bill" writes: + +> Tim, +> +> I have already completed a build with --enable-static. +> However to get things to work I did two things: +> +> 1) I replaced the gcl-2.6.1 tgz file in zips with the +> more recent gcl-2.6.1-16 source from Camm's temporary +> debian site. Since Camm had provided a patch in the +> new version to handle readline in the static case. +> + +Just a clarifification here -- my patch was to address certain +undefined symbols. The readline/static issue I was referring to +before has not yet been to my knowledge definitively tested or +resolved. I'm cc'ing the gcl developer who first reported this +problem. + +Take care, + +> 2) I upgraded my gcc compiler to version 3.3.2 (the +> newest version) since other emails also indicated that +> there were possible problems with older versions of gcc. +> +> It now seems to work. +> +> I was about to upload a binary to the files section for +> others to try (since I only have RedHat Linux boxes here, +> moving the static binary between them is not a real test), +> but then Juergen pointed out that we still have three +> missing algebra files, so I decided to include those files +> before uploading the new static binary. +> +> I will also proceed as you suggest and modify the +> Makefile.pamphlet to include a linux-static chuck, however +> I have to think about this a bit more since the change to +> the GCL configuration option is done in the lsp/Makefile. +> So I think this means that it will have to be controlled +> by the GCLVERSION environment variable. E.g. maybe +> +> GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.1-static +> +> and then it will use that to pull the right chunk +> out of the lsp/Makefile.pamphlet. Right? +> +> Cheers, +> Bill Page. +> +> > -----Original Message----- +> > From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:47 AM +> > To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca +> > Cc: camm@enhanced.com; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net; +> > gcl-devel@gnu.org +> > Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: On statically linked Axiom +> > (was: static lisp and rpms) +> > +> > +> > Bill, +> > +> > If you create a linux-static chunk in the top-level +> > Makefile.pamphlet then you can create the static image by +> > setting the Axiom varialble to: +> > +> > export AXIOM=(yourpath)/axiom/mnt/linux-static +> > +> > then we can try a static build of Axiom +> > +> > Tim +> > +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Gcl-devel mailing list +> Gcl-devel@gnu.org +> http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 13:38:37 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYjl-0007ua-7G + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:38:37 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYjj-0007tL-3d + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:38:35 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEYjD-0007i1-HH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:38:34 -0500 +Received: from [206.46.170.133] (helo=out010.verizon.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEYjB-0007g8-2o + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:38:01 -0500 +Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.71]) by out010.verizon.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP + id <20031028183759.ZHFA12520.out010.verizon.net@cunyvm.cuny.edu>; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:37:59 -0600 +Message-ID: <3F9EB780.BA6E0A46@cunyvm.cuny.edu> +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:37:52 -0500 +From: William Sit +Organization: City College of New York +X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) +X-Accept-Language: en,zh +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Foreign language port +References: <200310281427.h9SER9J08893@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from + [141.155.158.71] at Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:37:58 -0600 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, vdhoeven@texmacs.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:38:35 -0000 + +Tim Daly wrote ([Axiom-developer] linux-static chunk): +> +> Bill, +> +> Also of note is that the Red Flag Linux person has a deep +> interest in literate programming. Should be fun to add languages +> to the list of things to think about. There is no reason why the +> research work has to be in english. +> +> Tim +Tim: + +I think you have misunderstood my message (relevant portion quoted below). Dr. +Nobuki Takayama (from Japan, Kobe University), I presume is the person you refer +to, is not involved as far as I know with the Red Flag Linux project (which is +Chinese). + +According to the quoted reply from Nobuki, he is also interested in (Texmacs?) +interface. + +William +--- +William Sit wrote to Tim: +> I returned to the States yesterday. I was fortunate that one of the scheduled +> speakers did not show up and so I took the slot to present Axiom, to a crowd of +> over 50 and I got a few enthusiastic response. Specifically, Prof. Nobuki +> Takayama, one of the two invited speakers who is not only a great mathematician +> on hypergeometric and special functions, but a very experienced programmer. You +> can easily look up his web page from google. He has been working for 10 years or +> more on KAN/SML and recently proposed and implemented a digital formula document +> format where annotations, references, proofs, etc are embedded (sort of like +> your literate programming, but using OpenMath, OpenML and XML). He is interested +> in the Axiom project and asked a lot of questions on who are currently involved. +> I gave him a list of the recent developers (David, Camm, etc) and tell him to +> contact you. However, it may be better if you contact him first. His email +> address is: +> Nobuki Takayama . He also asked about the licensing and +> which lisp. I told him what I thought (modified BSD and GCL) and said you will +> be the one to give authentic answers. If you are writing him, please include the +> savannah site and how to download Axiom (I ran out of CD at the conference). +> +> I also obtained (downloaded) a copy of Red Flag Linux server version 4.0. I +> burnt a CD and will give to you when I have the chance (possibly today). I have +> just installed the basic on a virtual machine. You probably won't be able to +> because it is in Chinese. +> +> Red Flag linux is apparently the product of some company and the people at MMRC +> (the unit that sponsored the conference and my contacts) were all using Windows +> and do not seem to have enough people-power or interest in Red Flag linux (or +> perhaps even linux). I gave two copies of the CD to them. I think we (I?) have +> to contact the company, but I may have to learn how to input Chinese first (not +> an easy project)! +> +> I think the Japanese can contribute more than the Chinese, at least for now. + +-------- Original Message -------- +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:46:40 +0900 (JST) +From: Nobuki Takayama +Reply-To: takayama@math.kobe-u.ac.jp +To: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu +CC: axiom@tenkan.org, daly@idsi.net, wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu +References: <200310271717.h9RHHeE31327@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + +Dear Prof. Tim Daly; +Thank you very much for your mail, which will help us to work on +writing an external interface for axiom. +Best Regards, Nobuki + + +-- +William Sit +Department of Mathematics..............Email: wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu +City College of New York..........................Tel: 212-650-5179 +Convent Ave at West 138th Street..................Fax: 212-862-0004 +New York, NY 10031.....Asian Symposium on Computer Mathematics 2003 +USA..........................http://www.mmrc.iss.ac.cn/~ascm/ascm03 + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 14:43:30 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEZkX-0005ql-MX + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:43:29 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEZkR-0005pR-7f + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:43:23 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEZju-0005Zh-90 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:43:21 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEZjt-0005Yg-OF + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:42:49 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SJg0Le073424; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:42:00 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SJfxar073357; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:41:59 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:42:23 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D6@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Juergen Weiss'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Patch for algebra Makefile +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:42:22 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:43:24 -0000 + +Juergen, + +That is very good to hear. + +I made a patch that was almost identical to yours below. +But things have not been kind to me. I am now using gcc +3.3.2 and the GCL .configure option --enable-static. + +Earlier I was able to complete a compilation of all the +algebra except the three files that you mentioned in +your email using --enable-static. In spite of the missing +files, the static built version was able to run all of +the regression tests. + +But when I made my patch to add the three files in almost +the same way that you have (except I did put INTRVL.o +in layer12 which seemed to be what Tim had planned), +unfortunately after a 6 hour compilation, the build +failed with an error when it tried to build the databases! +I get + + >> Sytem error: + build error + + protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) + cp: cannot stat '/home/bpage/axiom-new/int/algebra/*.daase + +There were no other errors reported. + +So the apparently the make-databases failed. But oddly +I find if I manually copy the src/share/algebra/*.daase +databases into mnt/linus/algebra I do get what appears to +be a fully functional Axiom system. + +Hmmm... I do not know the cause of this failure. There +now seem too many variables. :( However I expect it has +something to do with the --enable-static option. + +Oh and BTW Tim and Camm, issuing )lisp (si::init-readline) +does make readline work. Aslo it only replied Value=T to me +and not all that other stuff I reported earlier. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Juergen Weiss [mailto:weiss@uni-mainz.de] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:16 PM +> To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] Patch for algebra Makefile +> +> +> +> With the following patch applied, I was able +> to compile the algebra, generate a new +> database and regenerate the algebra with the +> new database. INTRVL and ODEEF should +> probably get compiled earlier. But at least +> it works. +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 15:20:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEaK5-0006ow-6Y + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:20:13 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEaK1-0006nm-LH + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:20:09 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEaJV-0006cd-Re + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:20:08 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEaJV-0006cP-ET; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:19:37 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEaJK-0008IA-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:19:26 -0500 +To: "Bill. Page1 (E-mail)" +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D2@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 28 Oct 2003 15:19:26 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D2@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Message-ID: <54d6chnmi9.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 75 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: "'axiom-developer@nongnu.org'" , + "'daly@idsi.net'" , + "'gcl-devel@gnu.org'" +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: readline and axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:20:10 -0000 + +Greetings! + +"Page, Bill" writes: + +> Camm, +> +> Is it usual for GCL to ouput a long stream of messages +> following the +> +> (si::init-readline) +> +> call? What I see when I start the --endable-static image +> that was generated during the Axiom build after the +> (si::init-readline) is +> +> starting address -T 0x86b04c0 Finished loading ... gcl_readline.o +> T +> "Gcl" +> 1 +> (":INTERN: ":STEP" ..... +> +> etc. for about 200 lines of output or so +> +> ... "PUSH-OPTION-BINDING") +> + +This is normal for the current readline implementation. The symbols +are those in the current package which could be available from +command-line completion. We could silence this I imagine. + +I'd be most interested if you find any instability (e.g. segfaults) in +a static readline build. + +Take care, + +> After which readline actually does behave as I had +> hoped and allows me to edit. +> +> Regards, +> Bill Page. +> +> On Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:30 PM I wrote: +> > +> > On Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:03 PM you wrote: +> > +> > > ... readline library must be initialized at runtime via +> > > the lisp command: +> > > +> > > (si::init-readline) +> > > +> > ... +> > > Would be nice if you could report any readline functionality +> > > differences between the to ports, if any. +> > > +> > +> > Well, I did observe that when I start GCL 2.6.1 on windows, +> > I don't have to do anything to start readline. So I guess +> > the (si::init-readline) got executed somehow but it is not +> > in the GCL.BAT startup file. +> > +> > I'll let you know more once I actually see it work +> > under Linux. +> > +> > Cheers, +> > Bill Page. +> > +> +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 15:30:05 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEaTd-0006qB-Ab + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:30:05 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEaTa-0006pK-Fm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:30:02 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEaQH-0005io-Ru + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:27:09 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEaPp-0005CK-Nz + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:09 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SKQ056022004; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:00 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SKPxar021937; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:59 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:23 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D7@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:23 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: 'Camm Maguire' , axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: readline and axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:30:03 -0000 + +Tim, + +A quick note: + + axiom -eval '(si::init-readline)' + +(where the binary 'axiom' is the same as interpsys) +works just fine and readline works as expected right +from the first prompt. So I guess in the future +axiom could be a shell script that runs AXIOMsys (alias +interpsys) with the eval. + +Now if readline is work, I am not sure what will happen +if we also implement Axiom's clef, but then clef is bsd +... maybe we don't need readline at all? + +Thanks. + +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 15:46:51 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEajq-0004va-FF + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:46:50 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEai3-0004XL-Q2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:44:59 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEahG-0004FS-PY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:44:41 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEafd-0003Yc-6N + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:42:29 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEafV-0008KS-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:42:21 -0500 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] libaldor +References: <200310281703.h9SH3Ae23456@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 28 Oct 2003 15:42:21 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310281703.h9SH3Ae23456@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <54d6chccwi.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 17 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:46:48 -0000 + +Greetings! Another minor issue reported by a Debian user (Igor +Khavkine ): + +6 making /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi from /fix/g/camm/axiom/axiom-0.0.0cvs/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet + +This does not produce a dvi file. + +Also, the installation is missing the files referrred to by the +)summary and )copyright commands. + +Take care, + + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 15:50:27 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEanK-0005vP-GQ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:50:26 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEanH-0005u7-He + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:50:23 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEaml-0005ih-A3 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; 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Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:03:14 +0100 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:03:13 +0100 (CET) +From: Bertfried Fauser +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +In-Reply-To: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9CD@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +Subject: [Axiom-developer] compilation (SuSE 8.0) +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:12:08 -0000 + +Hi, + +I tried to download axiom from the cvs and to compile it on a SuSE 8.0. I +get alsmost immediately and error since the noweb.zip files are not found. +Since I had deleted the whole ./axiom folder, I guess that I have +downloaded the very recent statut of teh cvs. Do I need to install noweg +(and what more manually or should it be comming with axiom)? + +Sorry for my newby question. +BF. + +% | | PD Dr Bertfried Fauser Fachbereich Physik Fach M 678 | +% \ / Universit"at Konstanz 78457 Konstanz Germany | +% (mul) Phone : +49 7531 693491 FAX : +49 7531 88-4864 or 4266 (comul) +% | E-mail: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de / \ +% | URL : http://clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~fauser | | + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 16:26:38 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbMM-0002fH-9F + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:38 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbMJ-0002dt-Jv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:35 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbLn-0002NS-Pc + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:34 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEbLn-0002NJ-Hm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:03 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (47.180.252.64.snet.net [64.252.180.47]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9SLQ17X116506; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:01 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SLPZN29741; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:35 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:35 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310282125.h9SLPZN29741@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de +In-reply-to: + (message from Bertfried Fauser on Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:03:13 +0100 + (CET)) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] compilation (SuSE 8.0) +References: +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:36 -0000 + +Bertfried, + +The noweb file is zips/noweb-2.10a.tgz. It is automatically unpacked +into place and patches are applied. If this file isn't in your zips +directory then your cvs co failed. I downloaded a clean version of +this file so it is certainly in the cvs. + +One other symptom that causes an early failure is an incorrect setting +of the AXIOM variable. It should be: + +AXIOM=(yourpath)/axiom/mnt/linux + +Let me know if this helps. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 16:27:17 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbMy-0002xD-Ru + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:27:16 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbMw-0002w3-HU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:27:14 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEb0z-00060J-8k + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:05:04 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEb0y-0005vf-L1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:04:32 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEb0x-0003oH-Gh + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:04:31 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEb0m-0008M7-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:04:20 -0500 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <200310232220.h9NMKXP16084@localhost.localdomain> + <87k76u7e2v.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <54smlhqnmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310251825.h9PIPHS18551@localhost.localdomain> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 28 Oct 2003 16:04:20 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310251825.h9PIPHS18551@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: <54ad7l6pm3.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 171 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:27:15 -0000 + +Hi Tim! + +root writes: + +> Your list: +> +> These are gone: +> +> lsp/Makefile.dvi +> src/algebra/Makefile.dvi +> src/input/Makefile.dvi +> src/Makefile.dvi +> src/interp/Makefile.dvi +> src/doc/Makefile.dvi +> + +Thanks! + +> These should never be in the "distribution" which should only contain +> files in the mnt directory. The obj and int directories can be deleted +> at any time. They are only caches. +> +> obj/noweb/contrib/kostas/Makefile +> obj/noweb/src/c/notangle.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/getline.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/match.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/modules.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/modtrees.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/strsave.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/main.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/errors.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/columns.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/nt +> obj/noweb/src/c/markmain.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/markup.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/markup +> obj/noweb/src/c/mnt.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/mnt +> obj/noweb/src/c/finduses.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/recognize.o +> obj/noweb/src/c/finduses +> + +OK, I guess the point was that the clean target of the Makefile does +not remove these files, at least at the time of my earlier message. + +> These are used by noweb. In particular, the document command will +> invoke nt and markup. +> +> mnt/bin/lib/nt +> mnt/bin/lib/markup +> mnt/bin/lib/mnt +> mnt/bin/lib/finduses +> + +Again, I think these are generated by the build, and can/should be +removed by 'clean'. + +> I'll look into these. There shouldn't be Makefiles in mnt. +> +> mnt/bin/Makefile.dvi +> + +Thanks. + +> This should remain. It is the primary documentation root and +> needs to be available to users before the build. It is essentially +> the top level "README" +> +> Makefile.dvi +> + +As a suggestion, could you provide this in .tex format instead? At +least for Debian packages, changes in binary files like .dvi files +cannot be represented in a diff, so everytime this file changes, if I +leave it in the package, I have to increment the "upstream" package +number and install the *whole* original source tree tarball as a +separate version in the Debian archives. I.e., multiple axiom +tarballs installed in their entirety perhaps diffing only in this +file. + +BTW, do you have a suggestion for the "upstream" axiom version number +used in the Debian package? Right now I'm using 0.0.0cvs. + + +> I'm confused. You siad: "need to be executable" but you wrote: "chmod -x" +> which will remove the execution bit. +> + +My bad -- Debian policy is that all files installed with executable +permissions should be elf or scripts. These files are neither, and so +I am as you note removing the x permission. Perhaps you could also in +the CVS? + +> This part of noweb and is an internal command +> ./mnt/linux/bin/lib/nwmtime +> + +executable? + +> These are TeX macros not user commands and can't be executed. +> +> ./mnt/linux/bin/tex/axiom.sty +> ./mnt/linux/bin/axiom.sty +> +> These are the components of the boxup command which works as follows: +> +> boxup foo +> +> rename foo to foo.org +> concatenate head, foo, and tail (in that order) into foo.pamphlet, +> run notangle to extract foo from foo.pamphlet, +> diff foo and foo.org to ensure that +> +> ./mnt/linux/bin/boxup +> ./mnt/linux/bin/head +> ./mnt/linux/bin/tail +> + +OK, these sound like executables too. + +> These will go away: +> +> ./mnt/linux/bin/Makefile +> ./mnt/linux/bin/Makefile.pamphlet +> + +OK + +> These are Axiom internal data files, not scripts +> +> ./mnt/linux/algebra/topics.data +> ./mnt/linux/doc/msgs/s2-us.msgs +> ./mnt/linux/algebra/gloss.text +> + +OK, so perhaps a chmod -x in CVS? + +> +> I have no idea what this does: +> ./mnt/linux/bin/htmltoc +> + +OK, but sounds like an executable. + +> This was a feeble attempt at document support. Texmacs and ADVI +> extensions will eventually do better. +> +> ./mnt/linux/bin/showdvi +> + +OK, sounds like an executable. + +> Tim +> +> + +Take care, + +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 16:51:22 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbQ2-0004tv-RF + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:30:26 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbPu-0004o8-NJ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:30:18 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbPK-0004SQ-Jl + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:30:14 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEbPF-0004HQ-7G + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:29:37 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEbNb-0005EZ-Oo + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:27:55 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SLRat3092858; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:27:36 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SLRYar092720; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:27:34 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:27:58 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D8@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Camm Maguire'" , daly@idsi.net +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:27:57 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:30:25 -0000 + +On Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:04 PM +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com wrote: +> Tim Daly wrote: +> > +> > These are the components of the boxup command which +> > works as follows: +> > +> > boxup foo +> > +> > rename foo to foo.org +> > concatenate head, foo, and tail (in that order) into foo.pamphlet, +> > run notangle to extract foo from foo.pamphlet, +> > diff foo and foo.org to ensure that +> > +> > ./mnt/linux/bin/boxup +> > ./mnt/linux/bin/head +> > ./mnt/linux/bin/tail +> > +> +> OK, these sound like executables too. +> + +As far as I can tell Tim, these little scripts were only +useful to you during the intial conversion of .spad to +.spad.pamphlet. They can be deleted, no? Especially, +because we are going to reference mnt/linux/bin in $PATH, +I don't think you should use names like head and tail +which conflict with standard unix filters. + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 17:02:41 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbvE-0001M8-SY + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:02:40 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbvC-0001LR-Tp + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:02:38 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEbuf-0001AI-Un + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:02:37 -0500 +Received: from [134.93.178.130] (helo=mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEbBa-0005SA-JB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:15:30 -0500 +Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.49]) + by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h9SLFJwY023688; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:15:19 +0100 (MET) +Received: from EXSTORE2.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:15:19 +0100 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] manexp +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:15:19 +0100 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4D8@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: [Axiom-developer] manexp +Thread-Index: AcOdlzzpnc3OBC+ZRfumys5IMGD0iAAAEDLg +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2003 21:15:19.0535 (UTC) + FILETIME=[974AAFF0:01C39D98] +X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:02:39 -0000 + +Mantissa and Exponent. Arthur Norman pointed me +to the definition in CSL (arith06.c) in terms of +the C function frexp. + +Juergen Weiss + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:05 PM +> To: Weiss, Juergen +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] manexp +> +> +> Juergen, +> +> Where did you find a definition of manexp? +> I can't even figure out what the function might mean from the name. +> +> Tim +> + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 17:21:40 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcDc-00019G-Gu + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:21:40 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcDZ-000180-6w + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:21:37 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcD2-0000rk-0o + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:21:36 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEcD1-0000rO-JE + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:21:03 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (47.180.252.64.snet.net [64.252.180.47]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9SMKm3e224348; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:20:48 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SMKHW29826; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:20:17 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:20:17 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310282220.h9SMKHW29826@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: <54ad7l6pm3.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (message from Camm Maguire + on 28 Oct 2003 16:04:20 -0500) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9BB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <200310232220.h9NMKXP16084@localhost.localdomain> + <87k76u7e2v.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <54smlhqnmu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310251825.h9PIPHS18551@localhost.localdomain> + <54ad7l6pm3.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: axiom@tenkan.org, Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, daly@idsi.net, + axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:21:37 -0000 + +Camm, + +The clean target of the Makefile eventually removes all of int and obj. +Individual clean stanzas in Makefiles need not care. I eventually plan +to allow individual directories to be built (the so-called PART function). +It used to be the case that you could say make PART=doc and it would only +build the doc directory and any required parts (e.g. noweb). It is too +early to introduce that ability but as I continue to introduce new parts +of Axiom we will need it. At that time I'll make sure the "clean" works. + +> As a suggestion, could you provide this in .tex format instead? At +> least for Debian packages, changes in binary files like .dvi files +> cannot be represented in a diff, so everytime this file changes, if I +> leave it in the package, I have to increment the "upstream" package +> number and install the *whole* original source tree tarball as a +> separate version in the Debian archives. I.e., multiple axiom +> tarballs installed in their entirety perhaps diffing only in this +> file. + +Ummm, maybe. I plan to update the README file tonight. I'll consider +splitting out the non-Makefile related stuff into the README and +then have the .dvi file autoconstructed. I'll see what I can do. + +> BTW, do you have a suggestion for the "upstream" axiom version number +> used in the Debian package? Right now I'm using 0.0.0cvs. + +I'm unhappy with the version 3.1.4.1.5.9.2.6.5 kind of numbering scheme +as it is completely content-free. I much prefer a date-based format such +as YYYYMMDDxxx where xxx is an incrementing number for events on the same +day. If Debian wants dotted-decimal format I suppose we could use +2003.10.28 or some such. If that still isn't ok then feel free to invent +one. + +I'm torn about removing the boxup commands. They provide a standard +head and tail to functions and catch bad pamphlet files. I guess I'll +leave them there for now. + +I'll chmod -x these: + +> These are Axiom internal data files, not scripts +> +> ./mnt/linux/algebra/topics.data +> ./mnt/linux/doc/msgs/s2-us.msgs +> ./mnt/linux/algebra/gloss.text + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 17:29:44 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcLP-0003me-OI + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:29:43 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcLK-0003jy-KY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:29:38 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcFN-0001xI-IZ + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:00 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEcFM-0001wJ-KO + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:28 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (47.180.252.64.snet.net [64.252.180.47]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9SMNAvQ116692; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:10 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SMMh029840; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:22:43 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:22:43 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310282222.h9SMMh029840@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +In-reply-to: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D8@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D8@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom@tenkan.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, + daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:29:41 -0000 + +Bill, + +The boxup command is still quite useful as it provides a standard header +and trailer for files and checks for bad pamphlet files. I'm still using +it (used it today for clef) so I'll keep it hanging around for now. +The head and tail files are just text. I'll rename them. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 17:41:09 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcWT-0007AR-DI + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:41:09 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcVc-0006vQ-Hi + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:40:16 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcUa-0006hI-Iv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:39:43 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEcQH-00058G-D1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:45 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEcQ0-0001B8-Ch + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:28 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9SMYG28040589; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:16 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SMYFar040522; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:15 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:39 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D9@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] manexp +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:39 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:41:08 -0000 + +Tim, + +manexp is defined in domain DFLOAT (sf.spad.pamphlet) +as + + manexp:% -> Record(MANTISSA:Integer,EXPONENT:Integer) + +except for some special cases it is given in terms of + + MANEXP(x)$Lisp + +which is unfortunately apparently not to be found in +the common lisp specs? + +Hence Juergen's definition + + (defun manexp (u) + (multiple-value-bind (f e s) (decode-float u) + (list (* s f) e))) + +But where should it go? And why doesn't the Axiom +build complain about it's absence? + +Regards, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:05 PM +> To: weiss@uni-mainz.de +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] manexp +> +> +> Juergen, +> +> Where did you find a definition of manexp? +> I can't even figure out what the function might mean from the name. +> +> Tim +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 17:52:14 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEchC-0002jZ-3F + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:52:14 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEch9-0002iw-P1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:52:11 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEcgd-0002XF-Cv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; 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+ Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:37:48 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:37:48 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310282237.h9SMbm229898@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +In-reply-to: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D9@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] manexp +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9D9@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:59:23 -0000 + +Bill, + +It has been inserted into vmlisp.lisp.pamphlet. +This is lisp so missing functions are never noted unless you try to +execute them. I'm building a test image now and I'll run the test cases +against it. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 18:23:00 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEdA6-0006Fa-4z + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:22:06 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEd9O-0005Gg-Go + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:21:22 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEd8X-00041K-9O + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:21:00 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEd6I-0002KE-16 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:18:10 -0500 +Received: from [134.93.130.78] (helo=mailgate3.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEcvS-0002yD-SY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:06:59 -0500 +Received: from zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.8.20]) + by mailgate3.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h9SN6t2P011779 + (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) + for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:06:55 +0100 (MET) +Received: from zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id + h9SN6tjl007402 + for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:06:55 +0100 (CET) + (envelope-from weiss@uni-mainz.de) +Received: (from weiss@localhost) + by zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id h9SN6tqH007399; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:06:55 +0100 (CET) +X-Authentication-Warning: zdvnetz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE: weiss set sender to + weiss@uni-mainz.de using -f +Sender: weiss@uni-mainz.de +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +From: Juergen Weiss +Date: 29 Oct 2003 00:06:54 +0100 +Message-ID: +Lines: 16 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter +Subject: [Axiom-developer] get-current-directory +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:22:04 -0000 + + +another missing function + +#+:cmu +(defun get-current-directory () + (namestring (extensions::default-directory))) + +#+:akcl +(defun get-current-directory () + (namestring (truename ""))) + + + +-- +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 20:42:54 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEfM1-0003ZM-Do + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:42:33 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEfLa-0003Hr-1g + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:42:06 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEfIZ-00013E-KG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:39:30 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEfIX-00011x-UV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:38:58 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEfHz-0004rQ-8t + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:38:23 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9T1c6Ls029291; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:38:06 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9T1c5ar029224; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:38:05 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:38:29 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DA@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Camm Maguire'" +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:38:29 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'daly@idsi.net'" , + gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: On statically linked Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:42:25 -0000 + +Camm, et al. + +Well I guess I was too optimistic about building +Axiom with GCL --enable-static. After a day of +running the cpu around the whole build cycle +several times and in several different ways, I am +still not (quite) able to complete a build of Axiom +using the .configure --enable-static option. I am +working with gcc 3.3.2 on Linux 8.0 and GCL-2.6.1-16. + +In fact, the Axiom build proceeds to very near +completion. Having added three missing files to +the build since my last successful attempt, the +Axiom build now stalls during the make-databases +stage - the very last stage before finishing normally. +This seems quite odd to me since at the time the +build goes into an infinite loop, it is just loading +NRLIB/code - not compiling. I tried doubling the +vssize and maxpage parameters but that seemed to +have no effect. + +It turns out that I *can* manually canel and override +this last step and simply copy the old databases files +into the new run-time and all seems to work well and the +resulting Axiom system even runs all of it's regression +tests in the same way as the non-static build (though +it is still not be able to re-build it's own databases). + +I am now certain that the problem is related to the +--enable-static option since I am able to repeatably +remove this option and have the build complete entirely +normally. Whether I then update the databases to the +newly built ones or not, as soon as I return to +--enable-static, a re-build of Axiom will again fail +at the same point (loading BBTREE.NRLIB/code). + +So I am about to give on this for now. But I do have +one or two final quesitions: + +1) Do you think that it would it be worthwhile to +attempt this using the unstable development branch +version GCL 2.7.1? Are there changes in 2.7.1 that +might have subtle effects on a static GCL? + +2) What about the choice of versions of gcc? Was +my approach to upgrade to the most recent gcc 3.3.2 +a good decision or is there an earlier gcc version +that might be happier building static binaries? Are +there libraries besides the ones in gcc that should +also be upgraded? + +3) And this more to the Axiom developers: Do you +think there would be any point in my uploading the +binary part of the static build even though the database +build did not complete normally? The possible advantage +(maybe) would be that we might have a chance to see +if this approach of a static build will provide a +single binary that could be run on a larger number of +linux platforms. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 21:29:55 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEg5r-00040j-GH + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:29:55 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEg5o-0003zH-5A + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:29:52 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEg5H-0003qZ-Gv + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:29:50 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEg5H-0003mT-26; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:29:19 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEg2H-0000AT-WA; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:14 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (47.180.252.64.snet.net [64.252.180.47]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9T2Q73e117162; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:08 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9T2PeN30164; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:25:40 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:25:40 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310290225.h9T2PeN30164@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +In-reply-to: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DA@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + (Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca) +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DA@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, + gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: On statically linked Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:29:54 -0000 + +Bill, + +You've had a painful day I see. + +I can think of no reason why the build should hang loading files. + +If you put the static image somewhere I can reach I'll try +it on the hp testdrive machines. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 22:20:22 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEgsg-0007z0-5U + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:20:22 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEgsd-0007xg-EV + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:20:19 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEgs5-0007nU-3f + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:20:16 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEgjV-0005BO-51 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:10:53 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9T3AUJ9064231; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:10:30 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9T3ATar064164; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:10:29 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:10:53 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DB@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'daly@idsi.net'" +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:10:51 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: camm@enhanced.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: On statically linked Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:20:20 -0000 + +Tim, + +Well, I've had worse ... Actually it seemed +like quite a productive day as far as Axiom goes. + +Thanks for the offer to test drive the static +version. I am very curious about it. + +I have uploaded it to the files section at + + https://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=axiom + +see + + Axiom_Run + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:26 PM +> To: Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +> Cc: camm@enhanced.com; daly@idsi.net; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; +> gcl-devel@gnu.org +> Subject: Re: On statically linked Axiom +> +> +> Bill, +> +> You've had a painful day I see. +> +> I can think of no reason why the build should hang loading +> files. +> +> If you put the static image somewhere I can reach I'll try +> it on the hp testdrive machines. +> +> Tim +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Oct 28 22:51:36 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEhMt-0007Xz-Fp + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:51:35 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEhMq-0007WF-KR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:51:32 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEhGH-00061h-38 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:45:16 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.77] (helo=pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEhFp-0005Ma-8k + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:44:17 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (47.180.252.64.snet.net [64.252.180.47]) + by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id + h9T3iF3e147882 + for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:44:16 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9T3hnc30253; + Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:43:49 -0500 +Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:43:49 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310290343.h9T3hnc30253@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] changes +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:51:33 -0000 + +*, + +manexp, acot, and get-current-directory lisp functions added (Juergen) +mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi is now a dvi file (Camm) +head and tail are now boxhead, boxtail (Bill) +the startup msgs are cleaner (me) +summary, copyright exist and work (Camm, David) +more input tests run (me) +rename r2.*.input.pamphlet to r2*.input.pamphlet (me) +expanded README (Camm) +removed Makefile.dvi (Camm) +added RSDCMPK, INTRVL, ODEEF (Juergen, David) +added Clef (Bill) +expanded DeveloperNotes (me) + +clef still needs to be enabled. To do that I have to change +axiom to a shell script and that isn't done yet. + +A couple of the input files are still failing. Check +src/input/Makefile.pamphlet and look for VALUESTACK. + +Virtually all of the MANEXP failures are now errors of the form: +Error: (7) is not of type NUMBER +which leads me to believe that the MANEXP definition is somewhat amiss. + +The GET-CURRENT-DIRECTORY bug has been solved. +The ACOT bug has been solved but now COT is undefined. + +ODEEF's test file ode.input fails + + +I'll check these changes in soon. I want to rebuild from scratch +once more to make sure they work. Paranoia, yaknow? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 04:51:43 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEmzP-0002XM-HV + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:51:43 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEmzM-0002Ww-KM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:51:40 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEmyq-0001pg-IY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:51:39 -0500 +Received: from [134.93.178.129] (helo=mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AEmyi-0001Xr-8C + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:51:00 -0500 +Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE + [134.93.176.49]) + by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id + h9T9oSsd007477; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:50:54 +0100 (MET) +Received: from EXSTORE2.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.8.69]) by + exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:50:28 +0100 +content-class: urn:content-classes:message +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="US-ASCII" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] changes +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:46:26 +0100 +Message-ID: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4DB@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +X-MS-Has-Attach: +X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: +Thread-Topic: [Axiom-developer] changes +Thread-Index: AcOd0FdOJzKsE5JlRYGl+kP77U57eAAMA6GQ +From: "Weiss, Juergen" +To: , +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2003 09:50:28.0941 (UTC) + FILETIME=[15CD5FD0:01C39E02] +X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter +Cc: +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:51:41 -0000 + +Sorry, my fault. I did not have any testcases from +axiom. MANEXP should return a cons, not a list. +So please exchange list with cons. + +Juergen + +Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, +weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: ++49(6131)39-26407 + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:44 AM +> To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: [Axiom-developer] changes +> +> +> *, +> +> manexp, acot, and get-current-directory lisp functions added (Juergen) +> mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi is now a dvi file (Camm) +> head and tail are now boxhead, boxtail (Bill) +> the startup msgs are cleaner (me) +> summary, copyright exist and work (Camm, David) +> more input tests run (me) +> rename r2.*.input.pamphlet to r2*.input.pamphlet (me) +> expanded README (Camm) +> removed Makefile.dvi (Camm) +> added RSDCMPK, INTRVL, ODEEF (Juergen, David) +> added Clef (Bill) +> expanded DeveloperNotes (me) +> +> clef still needs to be enabled. To do that I have to change +> axiom to a shell script and that isn't done yet. +> +> A couple of the input files are still failing. Check +> src/input/Makefile.pamphlet and look for VALUESTACK. +> +> Virtually all of the MANEXP failures are now errors of the form: +> Error: (7) is not of type NUMBER +> which leads me to believe that the MANEXP definition is +> somewhat amiss. +> +> The GET-CURRENT-DIRECTORY bug has been solved. +> The ACOT bug has been solved but now COT is undefined. +> +> ODEEF's test file ode.input fails +> +> +> I'll check these changes in soon. I want to rebuild from scratch +> once more to make sure they work. Paranoia, yaknow? +> +> Tim +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 07:36:47 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpZ7-0003eD-St + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:36:45 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpZ5-0003da-L9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:36:43 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpYY-0003a4-HI + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:36:41 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEpYY-0003a0-8k + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:36:10 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (160.116.252.64.snet.net [64.252.116.160]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9TCa67X212020; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:36:06 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TCZdE30866; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:35:39 -0500 +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:35:39 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310291235.h9TCZdE30866@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: weiss@uni-mainz.de +In-reply-to: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4DB@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> + (weiss@uni-mainz.de) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] changes +References: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4DB@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:36:44 -0000 + +Juergen, + +The "is not a NUMBER" tests all succeed with your new fix. Thanks. +COT and ASEC are undefined. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 07:39:32 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpbn-00047T-CV + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:39:31 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpbl-00046l-3C + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:39:29 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpSS-00035C-13 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:30:23 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEpSQ-00034t-Ku + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:29:50 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (160.116.252.64.snet.net [64.252.116.160]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9TCTj7X217270; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:29:45 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TCTHV30858; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:29:17 -0500 +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:29:17 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310291229.h9TCTHV30858@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: weiss@uni-mainz.de +In-reply-to: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4DB@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> + (weiss@uni-mainz.de) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] changes +References: <4C0355A6F95639418CEE43EB898354FC03BAA4DB@EXSTORE1.zdv.uni-mainz.de> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:39:30 -0000 + +no problem. i'm rerunning the tests now. + +any chance you can find a definition for COT? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 07:47:53 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpjs-0005ZZ-5g + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:47:52 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpjp-0005Yn-O5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:47:49 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpfd-00056o-8k + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:44:00 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEpfc-00056E-Cv; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:43:28 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEpfZ-00020k-00; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:43:25 -0500 +To: "Page, Bill" +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DA@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 29 Oct 2003 07:43:25 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DA@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Message-ID: <54oew0i58y.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 108 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'daly@idsi.net'" , + gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] RE: On statically linked Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:47:50 -0000 + +Greetings! + +Well, while I can't imagine anything in the loader which would +infinite loop, this is the only place in the gcl code relevant to the +experience you report below (sfaslbfd.c). + +Neither 2.7.0 nor other gcc version is likely to help. The debugging +steps are to run a 'nm' on the object file failing to load, an nm on +the image failing to do the loading, and to make sure no unknown +symbol was written into the .o. Then run in gdb, with the build +having the --enable-debug flag set, and step through the loop in +fasload where the bfd_relocate_section_contents call is made to see +what's happening. + +>From what you report, I'd expect a simple fix to present itself +readily, like the recent patch from -15 to -16. As to my earlier +comment regarding the gcc linker warnings in writing raw_gcl, I +believe these refer to a few C library routines used by gcl which do +the equivalent of a dlopen anyway -- I imagine they are rarely used, +and we could in principle disable them if needed (for extra safety) +when the --enable-static option is selected. So in principle there +should be nothing which would absolutely stand in the way of a static +build if/when desired. + +If this is important to axiom, please let me know, and I'll try to +debug the build myself. + +Take care, + +"Page, Bill" writes: + +> Camm, et al. +> +> Well I guess I was too optimistic about building +> Axiom with GCL --enable-static. After a day of +> running the cpu around the whole build cycle +> several times and in several different ways, I am +> still not (quite) able to complete a build of Axiom +> using the .configure --enable-static option. I am +> working with gcc 3.3.2 on Linux 8.0 and GCL-2.6.1-16. +> +> In fact, the Axiom build proceeds to very near +> completion. Having added three missing files to +> the build since my last successful attempt, the +> Axiom build now stalls during the make-databases +> stage - the very last stage before finishing normally. +> This seems quite odd to me since at the time the +> build goes into an infinite loop, it is just loading +> NRLIB/code - not compiling. I tried doubling the +> vssize and maxpage parameters but that seemed to +> have no effect. +> +> It turns out that I *can* manually canel and override +> this last step and simply copy the old databases files +> into the new run-time and all seems to work well and the +> resulting Axiom system even runs all of it's regression +> tests in the same way as the non-static build (though +> it is still not be able to re-build it's own databases). +> +> I am now certain that the problem is related to the +> --enable-static option since I am able to repeatably +> remove this option and have the build complete entirely +> normally. Whether I then update the databases to the +> newly built ones or not, as soon as I return to +> --enable-static, a re-build of Axiom will again fail +> at the same point (loading BBTREE.NRLIB/code). +> +> So I am about to give on this for now. But I do have +> one or two final quesitions: +> +> 1) Do you think that it would it be worthwhile to +> attempt this using the unstable development branch +> version GCL 2.7.1? Are there changes in 2.7.1 that +> might have subtle effects on a static GCL? +> +> 2) What about the choice of versions of gcc? Was +> my approach to upgrade to the most recent gcc 3.3.2 +> a good decision or is there an earlier gcc version +> that might be happier building static binaries? Are +> there libraries besides the ones in gcc that should +> also be upgraded? +> +> 3) And this more to the Axiom developers: Do you +> think there would be any point in my uploading the +> binary part of the static build even though the database +> build did not complete normally? The possible advantage +> (maybe) would be that we might have a chance to see +> if this approach of a static build will provide a +> single binary that could be run on a larger number of +> linux platforms. +> +> Cheers, +> Bill Page. +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Gcl-devel mailing list +> Gcl-devel@gnu.org +> http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 08:36:19 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEqUb-000829-JG + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:36:09 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEqUX-00080w-UA + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:36:05 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEqU0-0007pi-4t + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; 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But Aldor can generate .c files which +> > get compiled to .o files. I believe these are boxed up into a .a +> > library using ar. +> +> That is correct. My question was directed to the sources. There must +> be some .as files somewhere which where used to produce libaxiom.a. +> >From them I could perhaps make a link and a corresponding description +> available. At least I would like to have a look into it to see how +> much work it would be. +libaxiom.al is a "mock" library to allow you to compile Aldor code which +will run inside Axiom. It contains equivalent definitions of all the +Axiom types which IIRC are created by first making Axiom generate ".ax" +files for each Axiom constructor, then converting those to ".ao" files +using Aldor, then making them into a library using "ar". The ".ax" +files contain Lisp representations of the signatures of the +constructor's exports. All the code for doing this was in the src/as +directory I sent to Tim when we open-sourced Axiom. + +> > The algebra connection is a fluffier subject +> +> Since I don't need the axiom algebra, the connection to algebra +> domains is not so important (at least not at the moment). Anyway, I +> guess that connection from my private types to axiom algebra types is +> just a matter of data conversion. I would do this when I see need for +> it. +If you want to run your code inside Axiom then you just need to compile +against libaldor and )lib it. + +We did some experiments with running Aldor code in a "clean" Axiom +interpreter (i.e. one with no algebra and no databases). This didn't +really work because the interpreter code is riddled with assumptions +about the existence of particular constructors and operations. It could +probably be made to work with a bit of effort however. + +Mike. + +________________________________________________________________________ +This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The +service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive +anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: +http://www.star.net.uk +________________________________________________________________________ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 12:10:51 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEtqN-0004zn-4y + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:10:51 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEtqK-0004xo-L7 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:10:48 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEtmd-0003wU-5c + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:07:30 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEtmU-0003vt-J9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:06:50 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9TH6Uv15437; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:06:31 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9TGQuC12694; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:26:56 -0500 +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:26:56 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310291626.h9TGQuC12694@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +Cc: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] libaldor sources +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:10:49 -0000 + +It appears that I have the sources... somewhere. +I'll look for them tonight. +I haven't explored the Aldor connection yet. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 13:05:28 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEuhD-0007Lv-EQ + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:05:27 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEuhA-0007Jj-5S + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:05:24 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEugY-00076l-J2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:05:17 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEudu-0005zC-J2 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:02:02 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-6-46.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.15.137.46]) + by mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id E2DC130004BA; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:02:00 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEudr-0000SK-00; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:01:59 +0100 +To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] compilation (SuSE 8.0) +References: +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:01:59 +0100 +In-Reply-To: + (Bertfried + Fauser's message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:03:13 +0100 (CET)") +Message-ID: <87ad7j3otk.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:05:26 -0000 + +Hello Bertfried, + +Bertfried Fauser writes: + +> I tried to download axiom from the cvs and to compile it on a SuSE 8.0. I +> get alsmost immediately and error since the noweb.zip files are not found. + +What is the content of your AXIOM environment variable? + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 13:20:04 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEuuj-0008UX-Qc + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:19:25 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEutv-0007Qf-Sd + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:18:35 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEut3-0006aQ-PG + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:18:14 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEurg-0005jg-TR + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:16:16 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9TIFwVI051229; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:15:58 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9TIFvar051153; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:15:57 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:16:21 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DE@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Camm Maguire'" +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:16:18 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'daly@idsi.net'" , + gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Gcl-devel] RE: On statically linked Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:19:24 -0000 + +Camm, + +Thanks for the describing the debugging approach. +I do not (yet) feel familiar enough with these tools +to do what you suggest. As time permits, I may be able +to attempt this. I am not really sure how important this +is to the Axiom project as such, unless it should turn +out that static builds really can be run on a large +number of platforms without re-building... I consider +the current attempt as simply an experiment. Perhaps +Tim can comment further. + +Anyway, last night I ran yet another clean re-build with +up to date Axiom sources and the --enable-static option +on GCL. As before, it ran all the way through until the +final make-databases step, but then after doing the +autoloads I got the following messages: + + ... + Loading /home/bpage/axiom-new/mnt/linux/autoload/br-saturn. + +Unrecoverable error: mark botch. +make [3]: *** [db] Error 134 +make [3]: Leaving directory '/home/bpage/axiom-new/src/algebra' + +... + +Now a quick search of the Axiom and GCL source reveals that +the error message 'mark botch' comes from either + + o/gbc.c + +or + + o/sgbc.c + +in GCL. I presume that this is telling me something about +a garbage collection error? + +I guess that this might explain why this error message is +different than the behaviour I saw yesterday but occurs at +roughly the same point in the Axiom build. + +The only thing that I did different in this most recent +build was to remove the --enable-vssize --enable-maxpage +and --enable-statsysfd from the .configure. In fact the +configure statement is just + + ./configure --enable-static + +So far as I can tell, the other options specified in the +current Axiom lsp/Makefile.pamphlet are either unnecessary +or defaults. I would expect a more explicit message from +GCL if we reached any of these limits or had a conflicting +choice of options. But I am rather unclear about this, so +of course let me know if I am wrong ... + +So, were too from here? I feel even less certain about +debugging GCL garbage collection then I do about hunting +for undefined symbols. + +Regards, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:camm@enhanced.com] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:43 AM +> To: Page, Bill +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; 'daly@idsi.net'; gcl-devel@gnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] RE: On statically linked Axiom +> +> +> Greetings! +> +> Well, while I can't imagine anything in the loader which +> would infinite loop, this is the only place in the gcl code +> relevant to the experience you report below (sfaslbfd.c). +> +> Neither 2.7.0 nor other gcc version is likely to help. The +> debugging steps are to run a 'nm' on the object file failing to +> load, an nm on the image failing to do the loading, and to make +> sure no unknown symbol was written into the .o. Then run in +> gdb, with the build having the --enable-debug flag set, and +> step through the loop in fasload where the +> bfd_relocate_section_contents call is made to see +> what's happening. +> +> From what you report, I'd expect a simple fix to present itself +> readily, like the recent patch from -15 to -16. As to my earlier +> comment regarding the gcc linker warnings in writing raw_gcl, +> I believe these refer to a few C library routines used by gcl +> which do the equivalent of a dlopen anyway -- I imagine they are +> rarely used, and we could in principle disable them if needed +> (for extra safety) when the --enable-static option is selected. +> So in principle there should be nothing which would absolutely +> stand in the way of a static build if/when desired. +> +> If this is important to axiom, please let me know, and I'll +> try to debug the build myself. +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 13:26:57 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEv21-00044B-KV + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:26:57 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEuyp-00032M-32 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:23:39 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEuwZ-0002Ho-Nt + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:21:50 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEuvo-0001mx-7s + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:20:32 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9TIKV1j056567; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:20:31 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9TIKRar056361; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:20:29 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:20:51 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DF@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'David MENTRE'" +Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] compilation (SuSE 8.0) +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:20:50 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:26:55 -0000 + +David, Tim; + +I find this use of the AXIOM environment variable +awkward and confusing. Wouldn't it be better simply +to provide SYS as part of the make command and have +make set up the required environment? E.g. + + make linux + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: David MENTRE [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:02 PM +> To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] compilation (SuSE 8.0) +> +> +> Hello Bertfried, +> +> Bertfried Fauser writes: +> +> > I tried to download axiom from the cvs and to compile it +> > on a SuSE 8.0. I get alsmost immediately and error since +> > the noweb.zip files are not found. +> +> What is the content of your AXIOM environment variable? +> +> Yours, +> d. +> -- + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 13:57:39 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEvVj-0000st-B4 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:57:39 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEvVe-0000rH-Pb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:57:34 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEvV6-0000eW-Aw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:57:31 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEvV4-0000dV-Di + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:56:58 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9TIumv15560; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:56:48 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9TIHFJ22935; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:17:15 -0500 +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:17:15 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310291817.h9TIHFJ22935@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill.page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Mark Botch +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:57:36 -0000 + +Bill, + +Try: + +make SPD=`pwd` SYS=linux + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 14:00:13 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEvY1-0001xE-Ek + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:00:01 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEvXv-0001sZ-TD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:59:55 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEvXJ-0001Wt-AL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:59:48 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEvTC-00082M-1J + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:55:02 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9TIsLv15556; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:54:21 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9TIElp22048; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:14:47 -0500 +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:14:47 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310291814.h9TIElp22048@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill.page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Mark Botch +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:59:59 -0000 + +Bill, + +Guffaw. I owe you. One of my old areas of expertise is memory +management and I spent quite a while talking to Bill Schelter +about akcl garbage collection. One of the phases of garbage +collection is called the "mark" phase where you mark all of +the "live" objects (then you collect the dead objects and +reclaim memory). The error message is "mark botch". I got it +so often that I adopted the pseudonym of "Mark Botch" when +writing to Bill. + +Clearly the garbage collector is unhappy. I'll look at the +code and see if I can figure out why. + +Tim "Mark Botch" Daly + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 14:43:09 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEwDD-00033a-Uo + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:42:35 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEwCY-0002kh-S9 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:41:54 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEwBh-0001IS-Lg + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:41:32 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEwAa-0000OF-7I + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:52 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9TJdoaq064218; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:50 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9TJdmar063979; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:48 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:40:12 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9E0@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Tim Daly'" +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:40:07 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: Mark Botch +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:42:33 -0000 + +Tim, + +Yes, I like that better. But it will not correctly +set the AXIOM environment variable, will it? Later +on in the build it seems to me that it will fail (or +doing something unpredictable) if AXIOM is not set +correctly. + +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Tim Daly [mailto:daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:17 PM +> To: Bill.page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Mark Botch +> +> +> Bill, +> +> Try: +> +> make SPD=`pwd` SYS=linux +> +> Tim +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 15:21:11 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEwoX-0004Mb-Lz + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:21:09 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEwoU-0004Jo-Tt + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:21:06 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEwnv-00042Z-Oq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:21:02 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEwnu-00041R-DU + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:20:30 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9TKKKv15649; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:20:20 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9TJehQ30094; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:40:43 -0500 +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:40:43 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310291940.h9TJehQ30094@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill.page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Mark Botch +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:21:08 -0000 + +Bill, + +The latest CVS has "make install" but it is not complete. +I can't decide how to put the Axiom shell script on your PATH. +If the "make install" knows the install location and the SYS type +we can modify the Axiom script to automatically set the AXIOM +variable. + +I have to figure out how other systems handle this problem. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 15:43:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AExAB-0007qk-11 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:43:31 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AExA8-0007p2-Kb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:43:28 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEx9b-0007W5-RN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:43:26 -0500 +Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEx5q-00061v-RY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:39:02 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9TKd0X0045594; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:39:00 -0500 (EST) +Received: from corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca + [131.136.1.77]) + by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9TKcxar045477; + Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:38:59 -0500 (EST) +Received: by corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service + (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:39:23 -0500 +Message-ID: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9E1@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: "Page, Bill" +To: "'Tim Daly'" +Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:39:23 -0500 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +X-Info: scanned for viruses +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: Mark Botch +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:43:29 -0000 + +Tim, + +I think + + make install + +usually installs to a directory that is already +in (or expected to be in) the user's path. E.g. +/usr/local/bin ... etc. This directory is specified +during the ./configure or defaulted. Thus the +install often requires root priveleges. + +In many packages it is possible for a user to run +the built application without an install, but of +course then the user must expect to modify their +path manually or at least cd to the appropriate +bin directory first. E.g. + + cd axiom/mnt/linux/bin + axiom + +So I guess the best thing would be to have the +build initially set + + export AXIOM=${SPAD}/mnt/${SYS} + +and also copy it into the mnt/linux/bin/axiom script +so that the user could run without installing. + +Then during + + make install + +the entire mnt/linux/bin directory could be copied +to the final target install directory and the 'axiom' +script could be updated with the correct location +and stored in the target directory. + +At least I think that's how it usually goes ... + +Regards, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: Tim Daly [mailto:daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu] +> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:41 PM +> To: Bill.page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Mark Botch +> +> +> Bill, +> +> The latest CVS has "make install" but it is not complete. +> I can't decide how to put the Axiom shell script on your PATH. +> If the "make install" knows the install location and the SYS type +> we can modify the Axiom script to automatically set the AXIOM +> variable. +> +> I have to figure out how other systems handle this problem. +> +> Tim +> + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 17:45:02 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEz3l-00053L-Fq + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:45:01 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEz3j-00052F-8L + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:44:59 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEz3C-0004rP-4J + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:44:57 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AEz3B-0004qm-8z; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:44:25 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AEz33-0005JP-00; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:44:17 -0500 +To: Tim Daly +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 29 Oct 2003 17:44:17 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310291814.h9TIElp22048@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <541xsvmzpa.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 46 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Recent Debian package release +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:45:00 -0000 + +Greetings! Just released another Debian package of the latest CVS, +and ran into a problem which will affect ia64, mips, and alpha, all of +which built axiom until recently. These platforms relocate/load +objects using dlopen (pending a bfd enabling patch possible in +principle), and the build has hit the limit of the maximum number of +open files (1024). Is there any intermediate image which could be +built with the objects preloaded which would minimize the number of +load attempts made later in the build? + +This is perhaps the chief weakness of the dlopen relocation option vis +a vis the bfd or custom relocation option. + +Take care, + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Bill, +> +> Guffaw. I owe you. One of my old areas of expertise is memory +> management and I spent quite a while talking to Bill Schelter +> about akcl garbage collection. One of the phases of garbage +> collection is called the "mark" phase where you mark all of +> the "live" objects (then you collect the dead objects and +> reclaim memory). The error message is "mark botch". I got it +> so often that I adopted the pseudonym of "Mark Botch" when +> writing to Bill. +> +> Clearly the garbage collector is unhappy. I'll look at the +> code and see if I can figure out why. +> +> Tim "Mark Botch" Daly +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Oct 29 20:31:14 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AF1aQ-0001RS-0Q + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:54 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AF1a5-0001Fy-GT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:33 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AF1YA-0000Vd-N7 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:05 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AF1Y9-0000Un-Hw + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:24:33 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AF1Y1-0005fd-00; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:24:25 -0500 +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Mark Botch +References: <200310291814.h9TIElp22048@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 29 Oct 2003 20:24:25 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310291814.h9TIElp22048@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <543cdb1prq.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 56 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: Bill.page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:26:52 -0000 + +:-) + +(wondering what neat pseudonym still left for me to claim...) + +Just a quick note to state that a significant gbc leak was plugged +some months ago due to a report by an acl2 user, which involved the +interaction of contiguous page garbage collection and SGC toggling. +Object modules are loaded into contiguous pages. Wondering if there +is any significant size difference with --enable-static. Wondering +also if axiom uses sgc. Only time I've ever seen a mark botch is when +heap memory somehow gets allocated past heap_end and into either the +hole or the relocatable block section. It may be useful to recall +that GCL memory is organized into non-relocatable pages of various +types below heap_end, then a hole of size holesize, then a relocatable +block section up to core_end, which can be extended up to maxpages. + +I must say I haven't seen anything like this in ages -- the gbc has +been extremely stable since I've worked on gcl save for the one leak +mentioned above. Of course I'd be most appreciative of any uncovering +of a bug in this area. + +Take care, + + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Bill, +> +> Guffaw. I owe you. One of my old areas of expertise is memory +> management and I spent quite a while talking to Bill Schelter +> about akcl garbage collection. One of the phases of garbage +> collection is called the "mark" phase where you mark all of +> the "live" objects (then you collect the dead objects and +> reclaim memory). The error message is "mark botch". I got it +> so often that I adopted the pseudonym of "Mark Botch" when +> writing to Bill. +> +> Clearly the garbage collector is unhappy. I'll look at the +> code and see if I can figure out why. +> +> Tim "Mark Botch" Daly +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 30 03:52:21 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AF8XV-0005fg-6O + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:52:21 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AF8XR-0005dT-Pk + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:52:17 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AF8Wu-0005Vr-Hm + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:52:15 -0500 +Received: from [134.34.143.6] (helo=spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AF8Ws-0005Ur-IP + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:51:43 -0500 +Received: from bunsen.physik.uni-konstanz.de (bunsen [134.34.143.25]) + by spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28958 + for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:17:49 +0100 (MET) +Received: from localhost (fauser@localhost) + by bunsen.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) + with ESMTP id h9U7oiu29469 + for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:50:44 +0100 +Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:50:43 +0100 (CET) +From: Bertfried Fauser +To: +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] compilation (SuSE 8.0) +In-Reply-To: <200310282125.h9SLPZN29741@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:52:20 -0000 + +On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, root wrote: + +Hi, + +sorry for my compiling ignorance, but I just wished to have a newly build +axiom, perhaps I should use the compiled version, however... + +> The noweb file is zips/noweb-2.10a.tgz. + +This file is in place and loos OK + +> One other symptom that causes an early failure is an incorrect setting +> of the AXIOM variable. It should be: +> +> AXIOM=(yourpath)/axiom/mnt/linux + +I have set this variable + +Compilation fails nevetheless.... + +13 making noweb +tar: /home/axiomgnu/new/zips/noweb-2.10a.tgz: Cannot open: No such file or +directory +tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now +tar: Child returned status 2 +tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors +/bin/sh: cd: /home/axiomgnu/new/obj/noweb/src: No such file or directory +/bin/sh: ./awkname: No such file or directory +/bin/sh: cd: /home/axiomgnu/new/obj/noweb/src/c: No such file or directory +cp: cannot stat `/home/axiomgnu/new/zips/noweb.modules.c.patch': No such +file or directory + +I dound in the makefile under taget 13 that it is looked for ${ZIPS}, at +the beginning of the makefile ${ZIPS} is set to ZIPS=${SPD}/zips, but +${SPD} is set to /home/axiom/new, which fails on my machine.... + +After setting this to ~/axiom/new/new, it unpacks the noweb...tgz but the +compilation fails with another error, which might also be a path +problem.... + +13 making noweb +/bin/sh: cd: +/Net/clifford/CliDiskInt/Users/fauser/axiom/new/new/obj/noweb: No such +file or directory +/bin/sh: cd: +/Net/clifford/CliDiskInt/Users/fauser/axiom/new/new/obj/noweb/src: No such +file or directory +/bin/sh: ./awkname: No such file or directory +/bin/sh: cd: +/Net/clifford/CliDiskInt/Users/fauser/axiom/new/new/obj/noweb/src/c: No +such file or directory +can't find file to patch at input line 3 +Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option? +The text leading up to this was: +-------------------------- +|--- modules.c Wed Mar 28 13:49:22 2001 +|+++ modules.c.tpd Mon Nov 18 22:26:35 2002 +-------------------------- +File to patch: + +> Let me know if this helps. + +regretful to say NO + +cheers +BF. + +PS: Please note that I am an "compiling ingnorant", (I need +./configure, make, make install to run smoothly otherwise I am lost) +but that might be 99% of the potential users too. + +% | | PD Dr Bertfried Fauser Fachbereich Physik Fach M 678 | +% \ / Universit"at Konstanz 78457 Konstanz Germany | +% (mul) Phone : +49 7531 693491 FAX : +49 7531 88-4864 or 4266 (comul) +% | E-mail: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de / \ +% | URL : http://clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~fauser | | + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 30 07:10:45 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFBcS-0001cC-Rl + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:09:40 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFBYo-0008O2-3h + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:05:54 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFBXo-00082E-Nh + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:05:23 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.103] (helo=pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFBXn-00080t-OY + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:04:51 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (171.118.252.64.snet.net [64.252.118.171]) + by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id + h9UC4nUC018236; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:04:50 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UC4KP32459; + Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:04:21 -0500 +Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:04:21 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310301204.h9UC4KP32459@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de +In-reply-to: + (message from Bertfried Fauser on Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:50:43 +0100 + (CET)) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] compilation (SuSE 8.0) +References: +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:09:39 -0000 + +Bertfried, + +It appears that your version of Axiom came from axiom.tenkan.org. +You probably have a variable called CVSROOT defined somewhere +that tells you where to get Axiom. Try typing: + +echo $CVSROOT + +If you any answer at all then you need to unset this variable: + +unset CVSROOT + +You also need to find where the variable gets set. Look in your .bashrc file. + +The CVS for Axiom is now on savannah. The following steps should work: + +1) move to your home directory: + + cd /Net/clifford/CliDiskInt/Users/fauser + +2) get rid of the old axiom code: + +rm -rf axiom + +3) log in to savannah. When it prompts you for a password just hit enter: + +cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom login + +4) get the latest version: + +cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co axiom + +5) cd to the new directory: + +cd axiom + +6) set the AXIOM variable: + +export AXIOM=/Net/clifford/CliDiskInt/Users/fauser/axiom/mnt/linux + +7) start the build: + +make + +Try this. Save the console. If it fails send me the console. + +Thanks, +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 30 14:50:21 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFIoG-0001DN-S8 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:50:20 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFIoE-0001AT-BN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:50:18 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFIni-0000n1-JL + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:50:17 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=mwinf0404.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFIlE-0008IT-Vk + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:47:13 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-8-171.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.14.144.171]) + by mwinf0404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 04EE4380035B + for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:11 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AFIlC-0000ka-00 + for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:10 +0100 +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:09 +0100 +Message-ID: <877k2mh5j6.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Build fails on mnt/linux/lib/summary due to + missing mnt/linux/lib/ directory +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:50:19 -0000 + +Hello, + +I tried to build latest CVS from Axiom on a previous build, just by +updating required files. + +The build failed when making mnt/linux/lib/summary because the +mnt/linux/lib/ directory was not made. + +Making the above directory solves the issue. + +I suppose that this directory was made in a previous step, not done +because I updated on modified files from the CVS. I don't consider this +a bug, my email is just for information (and if other people fall on +this issue :). + +Yours, +d. + +PS: Another warning during the build: + +6 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-i386/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-i386/axiom/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet +The root module <<*>> was not defined. + +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 30 14:56:54 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFIuc-00044V-H9 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:56:54 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFIua-000448-8o + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:56:52 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFIu3-0003bf-1J + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:56:51 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=mwinf0402.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFIu1-0003Yg-NN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:56:17 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-8-171.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.14.144.171]) + by mwinf0402.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 783D6800400; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:56:16 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AFItz-0000l2-00; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:56:15 +0100 +To: daly@idsi.net +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] compilation (SuSE 8.0) +References: + <200310301204.h9UC4KP32459@localhost.localdomain> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:56:15 +0100 +In-Reply-To: <200310301204.h9UC4KP32459@localhost.localdomain> (daly@idsi.net's + message of "Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:04:21 -0500") +Message-ID: <87y8v2fqjk.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:56:52 -0000 + +Bertfied, + +root writes: + +> cd /Net/clifford/CliDiskInt/Users/fauser + +you should also notice that Axiom has currently a bug that prevents it +to build from a directory with upper characters in the directory path. + +Patches to solve this issue have been floating around but I don't know +if they have been integrated in current CVS tree. You have been warned! +;-) + +Go +od luck and let us know of any issue, +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 30 16:50:22 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFKgN-0001kF-BV + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:50:19 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFKfJ-00008Q-UP + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:49:13 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFKem-0007kG-SW + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:49:12 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AFKem-0007cE-L6 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:48:40 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.102] (helo=pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFKe2-0005Qo-PO + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:47:54 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (40.113.252.64.snet.net [64.252.113.40]) + by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id + h9ULlq5r168308; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:47:53 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9ULVbe00344; + Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:31:37 -0500 +Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:31:37 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310302131.h9ULVbe00344@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr +In-reply-to: <87y8v2fqjk.fsf@wanadoo.fr> (message from David MENTRE on Thu, 30 + Oct 2003 20:56:15 +0100) +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] compilation (SuSE 8.0) +References: + <200310301204.h9UC4KP32459@localhost.localdomain> + <87y8v2fqjk.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:49:14 -0000 + +David, + +That isn't Bertfried's current problem but it would have shown up later. +Good catch. I'll move the fix up higher on the todo list. + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 30 22:20:04 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFPpR-00076K-0O + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:20:01 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFPpN-00072W-KX + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:19:57 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFPop-0006dZ-1R + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:19:55 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AFPoo-0006WN-H2; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:19:22 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFPnO-0001cU-HN; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:17:54 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AFPnL-0000jK-00; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:17:51 -0500 +To: "Bill. Page1 \(E-mail\)" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Gcl-devel] RE: On statically linked Axiom +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DE@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 30 Oct 2003 22:17:51 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DE@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> +Message-ID: <54r80u3xk0.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 10 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'daly@idsi.net'" , + gcl-devel@gnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:20:00 -0000 + +Greetings! can someone please save me a bit of time and tell me how I +can run the database rebuilding step by hand (i.e. outside the +Makefile) -- the path setup and file locations (or absences) are +eluding me. + +Take care, +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 30 22:36:18 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFQ59-0003Oa-6A + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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+ Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:28:50 -0500 +Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:28:50 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310310328.h9V3So400568@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: <54r80u3xk0.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (message from Camm Maguire + on 30 Oct 2003 22:17:51 -0500) +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DE@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <54r80u3xk0.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, gcl-devel@gnu.org, + daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] make-databases +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:36:13 -0000 + +Camm, + +First, move to where the .NRLIB files are. +The databases are built using the *.NRLIB/info files. + + cd int/algebra + +Then start interpsys and give it the lisp command: + + )lisp (make-databases "" nil) | (yourpath)/obj/bin/interpsys + +I'm still pondering your "split" request for database file loads. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Oct 30 22:48:14 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFQGk-0006LA-00 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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+ Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:43:41 -0500 +Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:43:41 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310310343.h9V3hfJ01446@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: <54r80u3xk0.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (message from Camm Maguire + on 30 Oct 2003 22:17:51 -0500) +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DE@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <54r80u3xk0.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, gcl-devel@gnu.org, + daly@idsi.net +Subject: [Axiom-developer] make-databases +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:48:11 -0000 + +Camm, + +First, move to where the .NRLIB files are. +The databases are built using the *.NRLIB/info files. + + cd int/algebra + +Then start interpsys and give it the lisp command: + + )lisp (make-databases "" nil) | (yourpath)/obj/bin/interpsys + +I'm still pondering your "split" request for database file loads. + +In more detail: + +The make-databases function walks across the NRLIB/info files +extracting information for documentation (e.g. the browse.daase) +or other uses. So, in the case of browse.daase, it extracts +documentation strings, compresses them (see src/interp/daase.lisp), +and writes them out into a random access file format. + +The random access file format has 3 parts: + +an initial pair, +a sequence of s-expressions, +a list of lists. + +The list of lists is the index. To look something up in one of these +files you read the first number (N), seek N bytes into the file, and +do a (read). Read will return the list of lists. For each domain +there is a list. + +Each list consists of indexes into the file (any non-negative number) +or immediate data (a symbol, a string, or a negative number). If the +list item is a number (M) you start from the top of the file, seek M +bytes into the file and call (uncompress (read)). + +I'm sure there are more details I missed but the src/interp/daase.lisp +has the actual code. + +The split request is going to be a challenge. I think I need to figure +out how to dynamically add one file to the databases. Once I can do +this I can split the database build into any convenient step size. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 07:26:28 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFYEV-0006Ur-KK + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:18:27 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFXut-0003ar-Ta + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:58:11 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFXiu-0001DC-Cb + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:46:20 -0500 +Received: from [207.115.63.101] (helo=pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFXit-0001CK-2X + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:45:47 -0500 +Received: from localhost.localdomain (40.113.252.64.snet.net [64.252.113.40]) + by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id + h9VBjj7v016340 + for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:45:45 -0500 +Received: (from root@localhost) + by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VBjFZ14861; + Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:45:15 -0500 +Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:45:15 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310311145.h9VBjFZ14861@localhost.localdomain> +From: root +To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] changelog +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +Reply-To: daly@idsi.net +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:18:26 -0000 + +*, + +The bsdsignal.c and openpty.c functions have been modified for clef (me) +clef has now exists and is used by default (Bill) +axiom is now a shell script (*) +AXIOMsys is the name of the axiom image file (*) +several unused files were deleted (me) +configure exists, works, and is documented (*) +make install exists, works, and is documented (*) +The axiom socket message is gone (me) +mnt/linux/lib is created before it is used (David) +COT and ASEC are defined (Juergen) + +So basically you now do: + +./configure +make +make install + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 10:53:31 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFba7-0006XS-Oe + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:52:59 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFbZi-0006Lz-SN + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:52:34 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFbZ1-0005qe-6O + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:52:22 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFbYw-0005m0-91; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:51:46 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AFbYb-0006BO-00; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:51:25 -0500 +To: daly@idsi.net +References: <68207C39878CC54695B4E7A1D58E098124D9DE@corporateex.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> + <54r80u3xk0.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310310343.h9V3hfJ01446@localhost.localdomain> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 31 Oct 2003 10:51:25 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310310343.h9V3hfJ01446@localhost.localdomain> +Message-ID: <54ism5csn6.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 91 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] make-databases +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:52:57 -0000 + +Greetings! + +root writes: + +> Camm, +> +> First, move to where the .NRLIB files are. +> The databases are built using the *.NRLIB/info files. +> +> cd int/algebra +> +> Then start interpsys and give it the lisp command: +> +> )lisp (make-databases "" nil) | (yourpath)/obj/bin/interpsys +> +> I'm still pondering your "split" request for database file loads. +> + +Thanks, Tim. Please feel free to say it is too difficult if that is +the case. It is likely the shortest route to axiom on mips(el), +alpha, ia64, and hppa, but in principle we should build a bfd backend +for those targets at some point, and this may provide incentive :-). +The latter is a large task, and I likely will not have time for it +until 2004, but should be doable, though ugly. The following page +describes the state of bfd relocation pretty well: + +http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/info/insight/bfdint_6.html + +Apparently these newer target machines are using the 'new linker' +mechanism which bypasses the bfd_get_relocated_section_contents +strategy we're using entirely. Instead, they provide a 'backend' +specific 'relocate_section' function, an example call of which can be +found in the elflink.h file in the binutils/bfd subdir of the gcl +source tree. While in principle such a call might work across the +board, it appears to use quite a few auxiliary structures which +require building before the call. Energetic volunteers appreciated! +Perhaps if anyone feels motivated, they could fork the sfaslbfd.c file +into sfaslbfd_new.c, and rewrite the section relocation calls using +bfd's 'new' linker strategy. (While I'm sure he is too busy, we do +have such a bfd-knowledgeable person on the gcl team, right Aurelian? +:-)). + +Take care, + +> In more detail: +> +> The make-databases function walks across the NRLIB/info files +> extracting information for documentation (e.g. the browse.daase) +> or other uses. So, in the case of browse.daase, it extracts +> documentation strings, compresses them (see src/interp/daase.lisp), +> and writes them out into a random access file format. +> +> The random access file format has 3 parts: +> +> an initial pair, +> a sequence of s-expressions, +> a list of lists. +> +> The list of lists is the index. To look something up in one of these +> files you read the first number (N), seek N bytes into the file, and +> do a (read). Read will return the list of lists. For each domain +> there is a list. +> +> Each list consists of indexes into the file (any non-negative number) +> or immediate data (a symbol, a string, or a negative number). If the +> list item is a number (M) you start from the top of the file, seek M +> bytes into the file and call (uncompress (read)). +> +> I'm sure there are more details I missed but the src/interp/daase.lisp +> has the actual code. +> +> The split request is going to be a challenge. I think I need to figure +> out how to dynamically add one file to the databases. Once I can do +> this I can split the database build into any convenient step size. +> +> Tim +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Gcl-devel mailing list +> Gcl-devel@gnu.org +> http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 11:49:02 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFcSK-000899-Ih + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:49:00 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFcSA-00086G-AB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:48:50 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFcRd-0007rL-KT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:48:48 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFcRd-0007lp-39; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:48:17 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9VGlsv17724; + Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:47:54 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9VG8Ae32761; + Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:08:10 -0500 +Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:08:10 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310311608.h9VG8Ae32761@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: camm@enhanced.com +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] make-databases +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:48:52 -0000 + +Camm, + +The databases do not contain system-specific code. +It would be possible to skip the make-database code for particular +platforms and just untar a copy into the mnt directory. + +If you have the right switches to run gcl on the alpha I'd be +most interested. I have access to a dozen or so alpha machines +on the HP Testdrive website. If I could build GCL there I could +probably build Axiom there. + +We're also trying to get Axiom on a Zaurus 5600. Do you know if +GCL runs there? It's an Intel X-scale processor running Lineo Linux. + +Tim + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 12:20:37 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFcwu-0005fV-Rg + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:20:36 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFcwn-0005eX-95 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:20:29 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFcwH-0005Rm-Av + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:20:28 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFcwG-0005RJ-JK; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:19:56 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AFcw4-0006J8-00; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:19:44 -0500 +To: Tim Daly +References: <200310311608.h9VG8Ae32761@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 31 Oct 2003 12:19:44 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310311608.h9VG8Ae32761@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <54vfq58gun.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 59 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] make-databases +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:20:34 -0000 + +Greetings! + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Camm, +> +> The databases do not contain system-specific code. +> It would be possible to skip the make-database code for particular +> platforms and just untar a copy into the mnt directory. +> + +i.e. cp src/share/algebra/*daase mnt/linux/algebra/ ? Can I do this +at the start of the build? + +> If you have the right switches to run gcl on the alpha I'd be +> most interested. I have access to a dozen or so alpha machines +> on the HP Testdrive website. If I could build GCL there I could +> probably build Axiom there. +> + +Axiom does build on Debian alpha, at least. --disable-statsysbfd +--enable-dlopen are needed. You will also need to build a few of the +intermediary images with the calls to (compiler::link... I posted a +while ago. These work everywhere, but are required on dlopen systems, +as unexec will not dump dlopen'ed loaded modules. I can repost the +details if needed. + +> We're also trying to get Axiom on a Zaurus 5600. Do you know if +> GCL runs there? It's an Intel X-scale processor running Lineo Linux. +> + +I thought the Zaurus was an ARM processor? If so, gcl is fully +supported there without dlopen. Config should start at least with +--enable-machine=arm-linux if not autodetected. Don't know what +X-scale is, but if its not arm and is x86, the answer should also be +positive. + +If you want to avoid any of the gcl builds, you can grab a .deb off of +the temporary dist site and unpack on any linux box (with compatible +shared libs installed, do a ldd unixport/saved_gcl to confirm). + +Take care, + +> Tim +> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Gcl-devel mailing list +> Gcl-devel@gnu.org +> http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 12:38:16 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFdDh-0003x8-Tp + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:37:57 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFdDe-0003tO-L5 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:37:54 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFdCb-00037f-U4 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:37:21 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=mwinf0602.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFdCC-0002o4-2h + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:36:24 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-14-214.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.13.214]) + by mwinf0602.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 9291354002C2; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:36:22 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AFdC9-0000Tk-00; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:36:21 +0100 +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] make-databases +References: <200310311608.h9VG8Ae32761@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <54vfq58gun.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:36:21 +0100 +In-Reply-To: <54vfq58gun.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (Camm Maguire's message + of "31 Oct 2003 12:19:44 -0500") +Message-ID: <877k2lxqay.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net, gcl-devel@gnu.org, + Tim Daly +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:37:55 -0000 + +Hello, + +Camm Maguire writes: + +> I thought the Zaurus was an ARM processor? If so, gcl is fully +> supported there without dlopen. + +XScale is ARM architecture (with few additions). Intel loves rename +things it touches. :) + +Yours, +d. +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 12:42:01 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFdHc-000639-P9 + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:42:00 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFdHY-00060z-R1 + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:41:56 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFdGx-0005jv-0W + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:41:50 -0500 +Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) + (Exim 4.24) id 1AFdGw-0005jP-9z + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:41:18 -0500 +Received: from [134.74.86.20] (helo=groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) + by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFdGQ-0003ww-Bq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:40:46 -0500 +Received: from rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu [134.74.120.4]) + by groups.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9VHeVv17830; + Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:40:31 -0500 +Received: (from daly@localhost) + by rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id h9VH0l405304; + Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:00:47 -0500 +Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:00:47 -0500 +Message-Id: <200310311700.h9VH0l405304@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Tim Daly +To: camm@enhanced.com +In-reply-to: <54vfq58gun.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> (message from Camm Maguire + on 31 Oct 2003 12:19:44 -0500) +References: <200310311608.h9VG8Ae32761@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <54vfq58gun.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] make-databases +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:41:59 -0000 + +Yes, if you + mkdir mnt/linux/algebra + cp src/share/algebra/*daase +the databases won't get rebuilt. However, the databases will be old +NAG databases. What you really want to do is copy the databases from +another recent build, tar them up, copy them over, and untar them +into mnt/linux/algebra. + +The Zaurus 5500 is arm, the 5600 is X-scale. + +Could you point me at a site with the .deb file? +Is a .deb file a tgz file? How do I unpack one? +I'm not a debian user. Is there a faq someplace? + +Tim + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 13:07:17 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFdg5-0001Zw-GM + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:07:17 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFdg1-0001ZQ-PA + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:07:13 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFdfU-0001RG-Vq + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:07:12 -0500 +Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFdfU-0001RB-LX + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:06:40 -0500 +Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AFdfO-0006Mx-00; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:06:34 -0500 +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] make-databases +References: <200310311608.h9VG8Ae32761@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> + <54vfq58gun.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> + <200310311700.h9VH0l405304@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +From: Camm Maguire +Date: 31 Oct 2003 13:06:34 -0500 +In-Reply-To: <200310311700.h9VH0l405304@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> +Message-ID: <54d6cds2mt.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> +Lines: 45 +User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:07:14 -0000 + +Greetings! + +Tim Daly writes: + +> Yes, if you +> mkdir mnt/linux/algebra +> cp src/share/algebra/*daase +> the databases won't get rebuilt. However, the databases will be old +> NAG databases. What you really want to do is copy the databases from +> another recent build, tar them up, copy them over, and untar them +> into mnt/linux/algebra. +> + +Thanks! Will try this in a new package ... + +> The Zaurus 5500 is arm, the 5600 is X-scale. +> +> Could you point me at a site with the .deb file? +> Is a .deb file a tgz file? How do I unpack one? +> I'm not a debian user. Is there a faq someplace? +> + +http://people.debian.org/~camm/gcl + +There is a file there called HOWTO-UNPACK-DEBS, but in short, .deb as +an ar format. ar x ....deb gives a data.tar.gz, which can be unpacked +with gzip and tar. + +Take care, + +> Tim +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Axiom-developer mailing list +> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer +> +> +> + +-- +Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com +========================================================================== +"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 15:51:37 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFgF7-0008SV-5q + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:51:37 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFgF4-0008RB-UD + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:51:34 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFgEY-0008Fh-FM + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:51:33 -0500 +Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=mwinf0802.wanadoo.fr) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFgEY-0008FU-3U + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:51:02 -0500 +Received: from oops (ARennes-303-1-14-214.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.13.214]) + by mwinf0802.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP + id 96E78180035C; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:50:59 +0100 (CET) +Received: from david by oops with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) + id 1AFgEU-0002Gk-00; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:50:58 +0100 +To: Bill Page +From: David MENTRE +Organization: none +Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:50:58 +0100 +Message-ID: <87u15pw2q5.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Mentr=E9?= +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] Line breaking and small font +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:51:35 -0000 + +Hello Bill, + +While testing your tm_axiom (1.0.2), I noticed that if I use a small +font in TeXmacs (Format->Size->Small) the line breaking is done too +early. In other words, the Axiom/TeXmacs interface seems to not take +into account the page size and font size parameters. Any idea to solve +that? + +Yours, +david + +PS: You have probably noticed that I re-submited to texmacs-dev your + tm_axiom against latest TeXmacs (1.0.2.4), taking into account axiom + renaming (AXIOMsys). +-- +David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 15:56:32 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFgJs-00032s-7l + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:56:32 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFgJq-00032R-5u + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:56:30 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFgJJ-0002jm-Rj + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:56:28 -0500 +Received: from [209.226.175.184] (helo=tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFgJI-0002iT-Id + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:55:56 -0500 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031031205542.CSPA19878.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:55:42 -0500 +From: "Bill Page" +To: +Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:54:47 -0500 +Message-ID: <000001c39ff1$3af97eb0$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="us-ascii" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: <871xstxm7s.fsf@linux-france.org> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: texmacs-dev@gnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] Patch for axiom plugin: + line-breaking algorithm & support of both NAG and free Axiom +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:56:31 -0000 + +David, + +Can you upload this new version to the files section +at Savannah? Maybe as version 1.0.3 or such? + +Also, if you do upload it to the files section, let me +know if you have any problem with access restrictions. +A couple of days ago I had trouble trying to add the +static build tar.gz file to a directory that you had +previously set up. I thought at first that it might be +a space problem so I tried to remove one of the older +binary files. But Savannah did not let me do it. I +ended up just creating another directory and everything +uploaded properly. I am not sure whether I did something +wrong or not. + +Do you think we should make a place for this in the +Axiom CVS or will the TeXmacs people take this on? + +There was also another modification recently providing +a command line option to tm_axiom which specified either +one or two prompts. With this change to AXIOMsys, that +option should not longer be necessary, right? + +I think the question of line-breaking: tm_axiom vs. TeXmacs +is still an active issue. And there are some bugs in the +line-break code in this new version of tm_axiom. Should we +track these bugs as part of the Axiom project? + +Regards, +Bill Page. + + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: texmacs-dev-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@gnu.org +> [mailto:texmacs-dev-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@gnu.org] +> On Behalf Of David MENTRE +> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:05 PM +> To: texmacs-dev@gnu.org +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: [Texmacs-dev] Patch for axiom plugin: line-breaking +> algorithm & support of both NAG and free Axiom +> +> +> Hello, +> +> Here is a patch against TeXmacs 1.0.2.4 axiom plugin that +> includes: +> +> - support of both free and NAG versions of Axiom (only tested +> on the free Axiom, I have not access to the NAG version) +> +> - inclusion of a line-breaking algorithm +> +> - modification on prompt handling to interact correctly with +> Axiom +> +> Please notice that this patch will work only with releases of +> Axiom starting from current CVS tree. Older Axiom (like those +> found precompiled on Axiom web site) won't work. +> +> Most of the work of this patch comes from Bill Page. +> +> Let me know of any issue with this patch. +> +> Yours, +> d. + + + + +From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 31 16:19:16 2003 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFgfm-0003Xu-Sl + for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:19:10 -0500 +Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFgfk-0003XA-IT + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:19:08 -0500 +Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) + id 1AFgfC-0003NV-So + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:19:07 -0500 +Received: from [209.226.175.93] (helo=tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net) + by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFgfC-0003N8-AB + for axiom-developer@nongnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:18:34 -0500 +Received: from Asus ([204.101.104.3]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net + (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP + id <20031031211831.ZCZC10793.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; + Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:18:31 -0500 +From: "Bill Page" +To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'David_Mentr=E9'?= +Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:17:35 -0500 +Message-ID: <000001c39ff4$6b2f89a0$6501a8c0@Asus> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +X-Priority: 3 (Normal) +X-MSMail-Priority: Normal +X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 +Importance: Normal +In-Reply-To: <87u15pw2q5.fsf@wanadoo.fr> +X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 +Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: Line breaking and small font +X-BeenThere: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Axiom Developers +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:19:09 -0000 + +David, + +At the present time the line-break code in tm_axiom +makes assumptions about the font size (and type) and +has a single parameter which specifies a maximum line +length (now set at 4500, I think, which means 4.5 inches). +When you change the font size used by TeXmacs to render +the mathematics, tm_axiom does not know this. It might +be possible to pass a command-line parameter to tm_axiom +to set line length and font-scaling etc. I guess these +numbers could be extracted from TeXmacs by the init-axiom.scm +script but exactly how to do this is beyond my level of +knowledge of TeXmacs at this time. + +I think this complication supports the idea promoted by +Joris that we should leave line-breaking to TeXmacs itself. +But to do this, we might then be forced to make improvements +to TeXmacs LaTeX conversion routines. That makes me think: + +"Well, ok maybe, but Axiom is already a pretty big thing to +take on, adding TeXmacs to the top of that makes it seem like +too big a task for me right now ..." + +Still, I do think TeXmacs has a great potential to achieve +not only an excellent display of Axiom's mathematics within a +full mathematical document preparation system, but also can go +a long way towards providing the kind of literate programming +tools that Tim has argued is important to Axiom's future. The +extensions necessary to TeXmacs to make it handle the noweb-style +pamphlet files and to provide a "tangle" operation to extract +code etc. are (in principle) quite straight forward. + +So I am still of two minds about this. But I am definitely +leaning toward the idea of suggesting that Axiom adopt TeXmacs +as it's primary user interface. In which case, investing the +time necessary to help adapt TeXmacs for this purpose might +be justified. + +Cheers, +Bill Page. + +> -----Original Message----- +> From: David Mentr=E9 [mailto:david.mentre@wanadoo.fr] +> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 3:51 PM +> To: Bill Page +> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> Subject: Line breaking and small font +> +> +> Hello Bill, +> +> While testing your tm_axiom (1.0.2), I noticed that if I use +> a small font in TeXmacs (Format->Size->Small) the line +> breaking is done too early. In other words, the Axiom/TeXmacs +> interface seems to not take into account the page size and +> font size parameters. Any idea to solve that? +> +> Yours, +> david +> +> PS: You have probably noticed that I re-submited to texmacs-dev +> your tm_axiom against latest TeXmacs (1.0.2.4), taking into +> account axiom renaming (AXIOMsys). +> -- +> David MENTRE -- http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ +> + +\start +Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:43:56 +0100 +From: David MENTRE +To: "Bill Page" +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] Patch for axiom plugin: line-breaking algorithm & support of both NAG and free Axiom + +Hello Bill, + +"Bill Page" writes: + +> Can you upload this new version to the files section +> at Savannah? Maybe as version 1.0.3 or such? + +I tried but... + +> Also, if you do upload it to the files section, let me +> know if you have any problem with access restrictions. + +...as you, savannah did not let me upload the files. I wonder if the +directory owner on savannah is not the guy who has done the last +successful upload. + +I'll send you the files by email, so you could give it a try. + +> Do you think we should make a place for this in the +> Axiom CVS or will the TeXmacs people take this on? + +I think it would be better to let TeXmacs people to integrate it. But if +they don't do it, we will add this work to our CVS. + +> There was also another modification recently providing +> a command line option to tm_axiom which specified either +> one or two prompts. With this change to AXIOMsys, that +> option should not longer be necessary, right? + +I think so. At least in my version, AXIOMsys is called directly. And as +it was mentioned on the list, it should work with NAG's version. + +> I think the question of line-breaking: tm_axiom vs. TeXmacs +> is still an active issue. And there are some bugs in the +> line-break code in this new version of tm_axiom. Should we +> track these bugs as part of the Axiom project? + +As we have wrote and we maintain this software, we should fix bugs +ourself, as time permits. + + + diff --git a/changelog b/changelog index bb969ed..9b89554 100644 --- a/changelog +++ b/changelog @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@ +20140418 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140420.01.tpd.patch +20140418 tpd book/2003-10.txt regularize 20140418 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140419.01.tpd.patch 20140418 tpd book/2003-09.txt regularize 20140418 tpd remove, reorder CC lines diff --git a/src/axiom-website/patches.html b/src/axiom-website/patches.html index 0b50025..65d7b74 100644 --- a/src/axiom-website/patches.html +++ b/src/axiom-website/patches.html @@ -4280,6 +4280,8 @@ book/2003-07.txt regularize book/2003-08.txt regularize 20140419.01.tpd.patch book/2003-09.txt regularize, remove, reorder CC lines +20140420.01.tpd.patch +book/2003-10.txt regularize