diff --git a/book/2002-11.txt b/book/2002-11.txt index 7f99424..2e359f2 100644 --- a/book/2002-11.txt +++ b/book/2002-11.txt @@ -4785,7 +4785,7 @@ Bill Page writes: > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> > list > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > > diff --git a/book/2003-06.txt b/book/2003-06.txt index 8c904e3..8e389c0 100644 --- a/book/2003-06.txt +++ b/book/2003-06.txt @@ -1906,7 +1906,7 @@ Subject: Re: source access Greetings! -"Juergen Weiss" writes: +"Juergen Weiss" Juergen Weiss writes: > The current problem lies with gcl. With cmucl I was able to > compile all the algebra files and get a working algebra diff --git a/book/2003-11.txt b/book/2003-11.txt index 1e9c21b..3fbe0d9 100644 --- a/book/2003-11.txt +++ b/book/2003-11.txt @@ -3186,7 +3186,7 @@ Tim Daly writes: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > diff --git a/book/2004-09.txt b/book/2004-09.txt index fa385fb..616a27e 100644 --- a/book/2004-09.txt +++ b/book/2004-09.txt @@ -4067,7 +4067,7 @@ physicist? \start Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:08:12 +0200 -From: Hans Peter Wuermli +From: Hans Peter Wuermli Hans Peter Wuermli To: list Subject: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone @@ -4154,7 +4154,7 @@ print echoWorld() \start Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:33:07 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: Hans Peter Wuermli +To: Hans Peter Wuermli Hans Peter Wuermli Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone The original version of runCommand (and your example below) fails if @@ -4205,7 +4205,7 @@ The fixed runCommand is:: error = os.WEXITSTATUS(status) or not os.WIFEXITED(status) return error, string.join(stdout, ''), string.join(stderr, '') -Hans Peter Wuermli [wurmli@hispeed.ch] wrote: +Hans Peter Wuermli [Hans Peter Wuermli] wrote: > > Hi > @@ -4290,7 +4290,7 @@ Hans Peter Wuermli [wurmli@hispeed.ch] wrote: \start Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:22:45 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Hans Peter Wuermli'" +To: "'Hans Peter Wuermli'" Hans Peter Wuermli Subject: RE: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone Hans, @@ -4396,7 +4396,7 @@ Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:46:53 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone -Cc: 'Hans Peter Wuermli' +Cc: 'Hans Peter Wuermli' Hans Peter Wuermli --WlEyl6ow+jlIgNUh @@ -4741,7 +4741,7 @@ DEXPR?) \start Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:55:46 +0200 -From: Hans Peter Wuermli +From: Hans Peter Wuermli Hans Peter Wuermli To: Bill Page, "'Bob McElrath'" Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone @@ -4767,7 +4767,7 @@ to find and to understand documentation seems rare. \start Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:43:14 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Hans Peter Wuermli'" +To: "'Hans Peter Wuermli'" Hans Peter Wuermli Subject: RE: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone Cc: Camm Maguire @@ -4828,7 +4828,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:27:53 +0200 -From: Hans Peter Wuermli +From: Hans Peter Wuermli Hans Peter Wuermli To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone @@ -4885,7 +4885,7 @@ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:48:18 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone -Cc: Camm Maguire, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' +Cc: Camm Maguire, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' Hans Peter Wuermli Bill Page [Bill Page] wrote: @@ -4961,7 +4961,7 @@ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:30:15 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: bob+debian-user@mcelrath.org Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone -Cc: Camm Maguire, Bill Page, wurmli@hispeed.ch +Cc: Camm Maguire, Bill Page, Hans Peter Wuermli Bill, @@ -4977,7 +4977,7 @@ Date: 26 Sep 2004 21:15:29 -0400 From: Camm Maguire To: Bob McElrath Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone -Cc: Bill Page, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' +Cc: Bill Page, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' Hans Peter Wuermli Greetings! My apologies, but I've lost the head of this thread. I'm assuming that there is a segfault problem with debian alpha axiom @@ -5458,7 +5458,7 @@ Date: 28 Sep 2004 14:21:02 -0400 From: Camm Maguire To: Bob McElrath Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone -Cc: Bill Page, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' +Cc: Bill Page, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' Hans Peter Wuermli Greetings! Haven't heard anything here -- just wondering if this issue is still live. @@ -5560,7 +5560,7 @@ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:15:47 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire Subject: RE: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone -Cc: Bill Page, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' , Bob McElrath +Cc: Bill Page, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' Hans Peter Wuermli, Bob McElrath Cam, @@ -5755,7 +5755,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:11:51 +0200 -From: Hans Peter Wuermli +From: Hans Peter Wuermli Hans Peter Wuermli To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone Cc: Bill Page, Bob McElrath @@ -5872,7 +5872,7 @@ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:38:41 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom crashing in Zope-Plone -Cc: Camm Maguire, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' , Bob McElrath +Cc: Camm Maguire, 'Hans Peter Wuermli' Hans Peter Wuermli, Bob McElrath Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Bob McElrath supplied some details of the debian and diff --git a/book/2005-01.txt b/book/2005-01.txt index 8b0934c..c292401 100644 --- a/book/2005-01.txt +++ b/book/2005-01.txt @@ -832,7 +832,7 @@ Bill Page. > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > @@ -2002,7 +2002,7 @@ On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 09:19:17PM -0500, Bill Page wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer @@ -2332,7 +2332,7 @@ Bob McElrath writes: > votes." -- Joseph Stalin > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -- @@ -2513,7 +2513,7 @@ Tim Daly writes: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -2592,7 +2592,7 @@ I thought GCL already had socket support built-in? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> > list > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > > > @@ -2608,7 +2608,7 @@ I thought GCL already had socket support built-in? > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > @@ -5207,7 +5207,7 @@ On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 04:01:32AM -0500, Bill Page wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer @@ -6387,7 +6387,7 @@ Bill Page. > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > @@ -7843,7 +7843,7 @@ bash-2.05$ _______________________________________________ Axiom-developer mailing list -Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +list http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ------- End of forwarded message ------- @@ -8287,7 +8287,7 @@ Kostas Oikonomou writes: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -8421,7 +8421,7 @@ Bill Page writes: > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> > > list > > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > > > > > @@ -8437,7 +8437,7 @@ Bill Page writes: > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> > list > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > > @@ -8844,7 +8844,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > - ------- End of forwarded message ------- > @@ -10839,7 +10839,7 @@ Bill Page wrote: > >_______________________________________________ >Axiom-developer mailing list ->Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +>list >http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -23779,7 +23779,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -25115,7 +25115,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -25784,7 +25784,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -32409,7 +32409,7 @@ Bill Page. > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > @@ -35141,7 +35141,7 @@ Vladimir Bondarenko writes: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list - > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org + > list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer @@ -35295,12 +35295,12 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> > list > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -- @@ -35546,7 +35546,7 @@ MR> > MR> > MR> > _______________________________________________ MR> > Axiom-developer mailing list -MR> > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +MR> > list MR> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer @@ -35706,12 +35706,12 @@ WS> Martin Rubey wrote: >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Axiom-developer mailing list ->> > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +>> > list >> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Axiom-developer mailing list ->> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +>> list >> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer @@ -37201,7 +37201,7 @@ file > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -- = @@ -39843,7 +39843,7 @@ Bill Page wrote: > >_______________________________________________ >Axiom-developer mailing list ->Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +>list >http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -39992,7 +39992,7 @@ Bill Page. _______________________________________________ Axiom-developer mailing list -Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +list http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer @@ -40353,7 +40353,7 @@ lisp code occurs. > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > @@ -40735,7 +40735,7 @@ William Sit wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -- @@ -41537,7 +41537,7 @@ Vladimir Bondarenko wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -- = @@ -54361,7 +54361,7 @@ root writes: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list - > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org + > list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer @@ -57310,7 +57310,7 @@ Bill Page. > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > @@ -63397,7 +63397,7 @@ Tim Daly writes: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -70092,7 +70092,7 @@ root writes: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list - > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org + > list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer diff --git a/book/2005-02.txt b/book/2005-02.txt index 7e5b873..ae01bc6 100644 --- a/book/2005-02.txt +++ b/book/2005-02.txt @@ -2330,7 +2330,7 @@ Bill Page writes: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list - > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org + > list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer @@ -6959,7 +6959,7 @@ Tim Daly writes: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -7021,7 +7021,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -9820,7 +9820,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -12049,7 +12049,7 @@ On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:42:43 -0800 (PST), Cliff Yapp wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > @@ -13459,7 +13459,7 @@ bleAndSymbol#msg20050221011618-0600@page.axiom-developer.org _______________________________________________ Axiom-developer mailing list -Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +list http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -- diff --git a/book/2005-06.txt b/book/2005-06.txt index 4a17883..a3070c4 100644 --- a/book/2005-06.txt +++ b/book/2005-06.txt @@ -2155,7 +2155,7 @@ With this patch on 64bits_kernel/Debian_AMD64/gcc-3.3 gcl caught a fatal error \start Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:30:06 +0200 From: Antoine Hersen -To: Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +To: list Subject: Port MacOS X Hello, diff --git a/book/2005-10.txt b/book/2005-10.txt index c06918f..9b63f4e 100644 --- a/book/2005-10.txt +++ b/book/2005-10.txt @@ -1,68 +1,9 @@ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - 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Your comments on this design would be most welcome. --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg20051001224654-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EM9es-0005mU-BQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:38:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EM9eD-0005hh-Ec - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:37:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EM9e4-0005cO-F4 - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:37:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EM9e2-0005VA-MU - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:37:10 -0400 -Received: from [72.14.204.198] (helo=qproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EM9ST-0003zk-6S - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:25:13 -0400 -Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v38so354993qbe - for ; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:25:11 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; - b=j34va/n2do8fQK34RZpJoGj1NcvvPxaEKURz9NKMfyGmwNP9AnfrZlMOUXVGuA/w4MQQSv+nXH38htP7HhDDwEsYSiuwHT4cm7XsNSj4d4Ury6SN9eY/TUt5Sxm6r9nD5WxqoP6Px0NweMrHOHm9bkIyIaufFvEVQ+N3wBninUE= -Received: by 10.64.204.12 with SMTP id b12mr2102423qbg; - Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:25:11 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from ?192.168.1.118? ( [67.161.182.39]) - by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f17sm2343544qba.2005.10.02.12.25.11; - Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:25:11 -0700 (PDT) To: list From: Antoine Hersen Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700 @@ -171,41 +82,12 @@ ML and Scheme than CL. I will really appreciate any idea with some track to begin. And hope to make a positive contribution to Axiom. -Thank you -Antoine Hersen - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EM9iP-0006sJ-1i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:41:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EM9iM-0006r6-JN - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:41:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EM9iL-0006qe-Mp - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:41:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EM9iL-0006qO-Jw - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:41:37 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EM9iC-0004sQ-P4 - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:41:28 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j92JfIE7030397; - Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:41:18 -0500 From: MathAction (Martin Rubey) To: MathAction Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:41:18 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] (new) +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- I think that the idea is quite good, especially, since it seems to be easy to implement. @@ -221,44 +103,12 @@ happier with a solution Still, it's great that there is support after all! -Thanks, - -Martin - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg17216.14137.764064.945324@seam101.local - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMB6U-0004nC-7P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:10:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMB6Q-0004lN-JP - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:10:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMB6O-0004kH-5t - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:10:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMB6M-0004Q0-MP - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:10:31 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMAnF-00007O-VO - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:50:46 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j92KoXE7025845; - Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:50:34 -0500 From: MathAction (kratt6) To: MathAction Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:50:33 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#211 Products are differentiated incorrectly] - (nouveau) +Subject: [#211 Products are differentiated incorrectly] (nouveau) -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/211ProductsAreDifferentiatedIncorrectly/diff --- \begin{axiom} D(product((1-q^(n-i))/(1-q^(m-i)),i=0..m-1),q) f:=operator 'f; @@ -267,88 +117,24 @@ D(product(f(i,q),i=0..m),q) I'll try to correct this tomorrow... -Martin --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/211ProductsAreDifferentiatedIncorrectly#msg20051002155023-0500@page.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMGge-0007J2-RO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:08:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMGgb-0007HP-Fl - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:08:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMGgZ-0007Gd-Ge - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:08:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMGgZ-0007GQ-9v - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:08:15 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMGgT-0007wS-2i - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:08:09 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9337sE7019174; - Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500 From: MathAction (billpage) To: MathAction Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [Programming Axiom] -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/ProgrammingAxiom/diff --- - -??changed: --The language used for programming Axiom is called 'spad'. In fact, 'spad' has a --cousin, intended as a successor originally called Aldor:http://www.aldor.org , --which can in fact be used alternatively to 'spad'. Online HTML documentation of --Aldor is "available":http://www.aldor.org/docs/HTML/contents.html too, however, --this version might be outdated. There has not been a decision yet as to whether The language used for programming Axiom is called [SPAD]. In fact, [SPAD] has a cousin, originally intended as a successor called [Aldor] which can be used alternatively to 'spad'. There has not been a decision yet as to whether -??changed: --A-sharp (A#), AxiomXL, and now Aldor. Aldor programs will run in Axiom A-sharp (A#), !AxiomXL, and now Aldor. Aldor programs will run in Axiom --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/ProgrammingAxiom#msg20051002220754-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMGjF-00084W-Ok - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:11:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMGjE-00083P-7r - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:11:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMGjD-000831-Io - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:10:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMGfO-0006kq-3H - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:07:02 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMGCN-0006zg-JL - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:37:03 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j932alE7006453; - Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:36:48 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:36:47 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [DesignIssues] Re: Expression Integer type -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DesignIssues/diff --- Type 'Expression Integer' refers to any expression with 'coefficients' that are integers. If you don't tell Axiom otherwise, then Axiom "thinks" of 'sin(x)' as '1*sin(x)' i.e. and 'Expression' with the @@ -386,49 +172,12 @@ it works in the other direction %::Expression Integer \end{axiom} --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DesignIssues#msg20051002213642-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMH81-0002SF-A6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:36:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMH7u-0002Pe-Go - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:36:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMH7o-0002Lj-0k - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:36:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMH7m-0002Jl-IU - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:36:22 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMH4h-0000aR-JT - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:33:11 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j933WuE7029790; - Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:32:56 -0500 From: MathAction (billpage) To: MathAction Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:32:56 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- - ---removed: -- -- - -??changed: --and testing. -- --Your comments on this design would be most welcome. -- and testing. This is much less effort then would have been required to complete the original approach described below. @@ -461,252 +210,41 @@ noweave with the modified l2h filter when clicking Save.
-??changed: --happier with a solution à la axiomui. happier with a solution � la axiomui. --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg20051002223256-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMH8C-0002YB-Ru - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:36:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMH88-0002Vw-Os - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:36:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMH84-0002Tt-Qi - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:36:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMH83-0002Jl-GX - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:36:39 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMGrz-0000Ev-TO - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:20:04 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j933JlE7024710; - Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:19:47 -0500 -From: MathAction (billpage) -To: MathAction -Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:19:47 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [MathActionDevelopment] - -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathActionDevelopment/diff --- - -??changed: -- - Pamphlet file support -- --I have started to document the work I am doing to implement --full Axiom pamphlet file support on MathAction. I hope to --have an test version of this extension available before the --weekend. -- --See also [dhmatrix] here on this site. -- --My approach is to use Norman Ramsey's Latex to HTML [l2h] --noweave filter. This filter together with noweave, is able --to produce HTML files directly from noweb (pamphlet) files. --[l2h] is written in Icon - so over the last couple of days --I had to learn yet another language. Icon is quite a tidy --fast and apparently well suited language for this sort of --complex conversion. I have modified and extended [l2h] so that --inline and display math environments as well as the axiom, --aldor and reduce pseudo-environments are passed straight --through the conversion. Now that I understand Icon and --[11 more lines...] - - See "MathAction":/IssueTracker?category:list=MathAction&sort_on=status_index - in IssueTracker - - - Pamphlet file support See #210 - - - --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathActionDevelopment#msg20051002221947-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMH8h-0002lg-Bl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:37:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMH8b-0002jD-Uk - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:37:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMH8W-0002hU-A7 - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:37:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMH8U-0002Jl-H6 - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:37:06 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMGjG-0008MP-DU - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:11:02 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j933AnE7020895; - Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:10:49 -0500 From: MathAction (billpage) To: MathAction Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:10:49 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [SPAD] (new) -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SPAD/diff --- The language used in Axiom is called Spad (a contraction of Scratchpad, the original name for Axiom). The Scratchpad compiler was rewritten many tims as both Axiom and its language developed as an ongoing, evolving research effort). The result was both the current internal SPAD compiler, that lives in the interpreter, and an external stand-alone compiler written in C called Aldor. --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SPAD#msg20051002221049-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMHHQ-0004Pv-Nh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:46:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMHHL-0004LY-DD - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:46:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMHHH-0004Ki-GC - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:46:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMHHH-0004KW-9N - for list; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:46:11 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMHGm-0001MY-Lf - for list; 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Pamphlet files contain @@ -794,39 +332,12 @@ by the original author and others, and in general simply has a far higher quality in every respect than an "illiterate" program. 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(In fact I think this is OK, I only did not have the time to check) - - _______________________________________________________ - -Reply to this item at: - - - -_______________________________________________ - Message sent via/by Savannah - http://savannah.nongnu.org/ - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/212SubstitutingForAnOperatorInASumDoesNotApplyTheSummationAlgorithms#msg20051003-020857.sv12157.44320@savannah.nongnu.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMJZ6-0007oF-Fq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:12:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMJVv-0007HC-2W - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:09:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMJVD-00074E-Hi - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:08:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMJVA-0006no-Bd - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:08:41 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMJFg-0007Z7-OU - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:52:41 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j935qH6q002493; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:52:31 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: "'Antoine Hersen'" Subject: RE: Master Thesis Subject Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:52:12 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On October 2, 2005 3:26 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: > @@ -1073,117 +449,37 @@ If you post an outline of a proposal here in this mailing list, I think you will find many people willing to offer suggestions and support. -Best Wishes, -Bill Page. - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMK5O-0003BV-Ak - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:46:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMK5L-0003B1-Dc - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:46:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMK5I-0003Ak-Mr - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:46:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMK3b-0002pv-V8 - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:44:16 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMJk5-0000xe-CU - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:24:05 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j936NmE7003313; - Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:23:48 -0500 -From: MathAction (billpage) -To: MathAction -Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:23:48 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#212 substituting for an operator in a sum does - not apply the summation algorithms] - -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/212SubstitutingForAnOperatorInASumDoesNotApplyTheSummationAlgorithms/diff --- - -++added: -Submitted by: Martin Rubey - -Submitted on: Fri 06/04/04 at 08:18 - - --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/212SubstitutingForAnOperatorInASumDoesNotApplyTheSummationAlgorithms#msg20051003012348-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMK9E-0003xJ-3l - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:50:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMK8u-0003qJ-Va - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:49:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMK8s-0003pL-QU - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:49:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMK71-0002pv-E4 - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:47:48 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMJaR-0000PU-H0 - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:14:07 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j936DqE7031307; - Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:13:52 -0500 From: MathAction (wyscc) To: MathAction Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:13:52 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [DesignIssues] -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/DesignIssues/diff --- - -??changed: --Type 'Expression Integer' refers to any expression with 'coefficients' --that are integers. If you don't tell Axiom otherwise, then Axiom --"thinks" of 'sin(x)' as '1*sin(x)' i.e. and 'Expression' with the --'Integer' coefficient 1. For example, what would you expect the --result of the expression '1.0*sin(x)' to be? Type 'Expression Integer' refers to any expression involving functions (or operators) and integers. If you don't tell Axiom otherwise, then Axiom "thinks" of 'sin(x)' as 'sin(1*x)' i.e. an 'Expression' involving the function 'sin()', a polynomial function 'x' with coefficient '1'. For example, what would you expect the result of the expression 'sin(1.0*x)' to be? -??changed: --1.0*sin(x) sin(1.0*x) -??changed: --The type of the result of some calculation in Axiom is always --expressed as an object with of the same type as operation that The type of the result of some calculation in Axiom is often expressed as an object of the same type as the operands that -??changed: --result is still and 'Expression Integer' even though Axiom decides result is still an 'Expression Integer' even though Axiom decides -??changed: --In princple in should be possible to ask Axiom to represent the In princple it should be possible to ask Axiom to represent the -++added:
Comments from wyscc: -This is a quite common problem whenever a result can be expressed in a subdomain. In this case, the subdomain is 'Pi'. The correct way to perform conversion of types in this situation is to 'retract', not 'coerce' since 'coerce' is supposedly always possible, whereas 'retract' is not. The Interpreter will use 'retract' if it is available even when '::' is used. However, 'Expression Integer' does not have 'RetractableTo(Pi)' (we can add this if we like). An example where this works is: +This is a quite common problem whenever a result can be expressed in a +subdomain. In this case, the subdomain is 'Pi'. The correct way to +perform conversion of types in this situation is to 'retract', not +'coerce' since 'coerce' is supposedly always possible, whereas +'retract' is not. The Interpreter will use 'retract' if it is +available even when '::' is used. However, 'Expression Integer' does +not have 'RetractableTo(Pi)' (we can add this if we like). An example +where this works is: \begin{axiom} 4/3 * 6/2 @@ -1197,66 +493,13 @@ whereas this fails. coerce(4/3*6/2)@Integer \end{axiom} - - - - - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/DesignIssues#msg20051003011352-0500@page.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMK9b-00044B-Te - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:50:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMK9Y-00042u-0p - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:50:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMK9V-00041p-72 - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:50:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMK3g-0002pv-4I - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:44:20 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMJhV-0000sU-IK - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:21:25 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j936LAE7002059; - Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:21:10 -0500 From: MathAction (billpage) To: MathAction Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:21:10 -0500 Cc: -Subject: [#212 substituting for an operator in a sum does - not apply the summation algorithms] +Subject: [#212 substituting for an operator in a sum does not apply the summation algorithms] -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/212SubstitutingForAnOperatorInASumDoesNotApplyTheSummationAlgorithms/diff --- - -??changed: -- -- --From BillPage Mon Oct 3 01:08:57 -0500 2005 --From: Bill Page --Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:08:57 -0500 --Subject: (new) substituting for an operator in a sum does not apply the -- summation algorithms --Message-ID: <20051003-020857.sv12157.44320@savannah.nongnu.org> -- -- --Update of bug #9217 (project axiom): -- -- Status: None => transferred -- Internal cause: first the sum is evaluated. Since the argument -- --f(x)-- is not a polynomial or rational function, using first iidsum, than --idsum of COMBF. Afterwards the substitution is performed. Now the sum has the --internal format --%defsum [%A, %A, i, a, b], which is again evaluated with iidsum and idsum of --COMBF. The function sum$InnerPolySum is never called, of course. A general Original Savannah bug 9217 Summary: @@ -1279,111 +522,31 @@ the substitution is performed. Now the sum has the internal format '%defsum [%A, %A, i, a, b]', which is again evaluated with iidsum and idsum of COMBF. The function 'sum$InnerPolySum' is never called, of course. A general -??changed: --the time to check) => first the sum is evaluated. Since the argument -- --f(x)-- is not a polynomial or rational function, using first iidsum, than --idsum of COMBF. Afterwards the substitution is performed. Now the sum has the --internal format --%defsum [%A, %A, i, a, b], which is again evaluated with iidsum and idsum of --COMBF. The function sum$InnerPolySum is never called, of course. A general --solution is to call sum from within idsum, but in this case, care has to be --taken that summation algorithms that can fail (such as Gosper's) do not --produce an infinite loop. (In fact I think this is OK, I only did not have --the time to check) -- -- -- _______________________________________________________ -- --Reply to this item at: -- -- -- --_______________________________________________ --[2 more lines...] -the time to check) - - --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/212SubstitutingForAnOperatorInASumDoesNotApplyTheSummationAlgorithms#msg20051003012110-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMKDN-0004dy-8C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:54:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMKDI-0004bs-Ld - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:54:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMKCx-0004Vc-5J - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:53:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMK3U-0002pv-Ft - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:44:08 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMJmp-000141-IO - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:26:55 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j936QdE7004614; - Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:26:40 -0500 From: MathAction (billpage) To: MathAction Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:26:39 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [WishList] -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/WishList/diff --- - -??changed: -- I think that a general concept is needed in order to fix -- http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=9217 and to I think that a general concept is needed in order to fix #212 and to --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/WishList#msg20051003012639-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMLp6-0006a1-9J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:37:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMLoq-0006XF-Go - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:37:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMLoj-0006WN-Nb - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:37:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMLoh-0006VJ-6O - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:36:59 -0400 -Received: from [193.174.3.22] (helo=reichenbach.mfo.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMLod-0000ox-Qd - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:36:56 -0400 -Received: from [193.174.3.116] (unknown [193.174.3.116]) - by reichenbach.mfo.de (Postfix) with ESMTP - id 826CE3CBE6; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:36:51 +0200 (MEST) From: Michael Brickenstein Subject: Re: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:36:54 +0200 To: Bill Page -Cc: list Hello Bill Page! Thanks for your positive response. I am very pleased with this welcome. -Actually I had a discussion in sci.math.symbolic and my conversation =20 -partner stated that he would like to see our functionality in your =20 -system. Additionally I have heared in our team, that you have made =20 -some things about Openmath. So this was my entry point for axiom. And =20= - +Actually I had a discussion in sci.math.symbolic and my conversation +partner stated that he would like to see our functionality in your +system. Additionally I have heared in our team, that you have made +some things about Openmath. So this was my entry point for axiom. And of course I have heared of your extremely mathematical type system. -Of course I am interested in MathAction, if we would be able to =20 -implement a Singular demonstration in the mid. future this would be =20 +Of course I am interested in MathAction, if we would be able to +implement a Singular demonstration in the mid. future this would be extremely nice and a good demonstration for what I do. So for further steps, I suggest @@ -1391,8 +554,7 @@ So for further steps, I suggest - for me to take a closer look at your openmath library - for you I suggest to -check, if axiom is compatible with openmath 2 - -have a look on the polyd CD which is not from the Singular team =20= - + -have a look on the polyd CD which is not from the Singular team but especially suited for Gr=F6bner bases and everything which is based on it @@ -1409,70 +571,43 @@ At the moment, I use from polyd. I also use the symbol "Q" from fieldname. -In near future, there is a symbol FreeField or so which will be =20 +In near future, there is a symbol FreeField or so which will be supported. -Further you are invited to make a wishlist, which functions from our =20 -System (http://www.singular.uni-kl.de) you like to see in a Openmath =20 +Further you are invited to make a wishlist, which functions from our +System (http://www.singular.uni-kl.de) you like to see in a Openmath content dictionary. -At the moment, the prototype is nothing as the pure mechanism with =20 -groebner basis as proof of concept (which is not the easiest possible =20= - +At the moment, the prototype is nothing as the pure mechanism with +groebner basis as proof of concept (which is not the easiest possible example). -In the next weeks (I have a job as System Administrator and Software =20 -Developer for my institutes databases, so don't expect me to work =20 +In the next weeks (I have a job as System Administrator and Software +Developer for my institutes databases, so don't expect me to work full time on this), I will improve the basis for the implementation. -My Openmath implementation is based on Python which is embedded in =20 -Singular and plays together with the Singular interpreter nicely (can =20= - -dynamically call all (a the moment nearly all) interpreter and kernel =20= - +My Openmath implementation is based on Python which is embedded in +Singular and plays together with the Singular interpreter nicely (can +dynamically call all (a the moment nearly all) interpreter and kernel functions). This is written by me and not yet released officially. -Python is in fact a strongly typed language, which doesn't do =20 -implicit conversions (at default), I only mention this, as I know =20 +Python is in fact a strongly typed language, which doesn't do +implicit conversions (at default), I only mention this, as I know that axiom focuses very much on a type system. This basis will be improved (mainly bug fixing in the next weeks). And then I will have time to spend more time the Openmath path. -I will send you some examples of polynomial system encodings using =20 -polyd, you can of course check, if my understandig of the standard is =20= - +I will send you some examples of polynomial system encodings using +polyd, you can of course check, if my understandig of the standard is correct. -I also will send you an archive of the polyd CD , as http://=20 -www.openmath.org gives only internal errors at the moment (not so =20 +I also will send you an archive of the polyd CD , as http:// +www.openmath.org gives only internal errors at the moment (not so unusual there). Yours, Michael Brickenstein - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMUDA-0005QV-SN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:34:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMUD4-0005My-CP - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:34:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMUCv-0005Fw-P0 - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:34:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMUCv-0005FB-Hs - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:34:33 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMUBW-0004fY-2l - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:33:06 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j93HWapq020691; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 13:32:50 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular @@ -1481,7 +616,7 @@ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 13:32:30 -0400 Cc: list On October 3, 2005 4:37 AM Michael Brickenstein wrote: ->=20 +> > Actually I had a discussion in sci.math.symbolic and my > conversation partner stated that he would like to see our > functionality in your system. @@ -1491,7 +626,7 @@ I am glad that some people there are saying good things about Axiom. > Additionally I have heard in our team, that you have made -> some things about Openmath. So this was my entry point for=20 +> some things about Openmath. So this was my entry point for > axiom. And of course I have heard of your extremely > mathematical type system. @@ -1523,7 +658,7 @@ do. The idea is that membership in the Axiom Foundation would rotate through those individuals most motivated to support Axiom, but always consist of at least three people. ->=20 +> > Of course I am interested in MathAction, if we would be able > to implement a Singular demonstration in the mid. future > this would be extremely nice and a good demonstration for @@ -1533,33 +668,25 @@ Now, MathAction (as opposed to Axiom) is something for which I am largely responsible. :) I would be start to look into adding a web interface to Singular on MathAction. ->=20 +> > So for further steps, I suggest ->=20 +> > - for me to take a closer look at your openmath library If you haven't already done this, I suggest you start by reviewing references to openmath in the axiom-developer archives: -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=3Dopenmath&submi= -t=3DSea -rch%21&idxname=3Daxiom-developer&max=3D10&result=3Dnormal&sort=3Ddate%3Ae= -arly +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=openmath&submit=Sea +rch%21&idxname=axiom-developer&max=10&result=normal&sort=date%3Aearly For example: -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2004-01/msg00035.htm= -l -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-12/msg00030.htm= -l -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-07/msg00000.htm= -l -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-06/msg00078.htm= -l -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-06/msg00069.htm= -l -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2002-12/msg00003.htm= -l +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2004-01/msg00035.html +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-12/msg00030.html +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-07/msg00000.html +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-06/msg00078.html +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-06/msg00069.html +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2002-12/msg00003.html and a few more ... :) Unfortunately as far as I know, none of this discussion lead to any substantial work on resurrecting the OpenMath @@ -1567,12 +694,12 @@ work in the open source version of Axiom. > - for you I suggest to > -check, if axiom is compatible with openmath 2 -> -have a look on the polyd CD which is not from the=20 +> -have a look on the polyd CD which is not from the > Singular team but especially suited for Gr=F6bner bases > and everything which is based on it ->=20 +> > At the moment, I use ->=20 +> > "groebner" > "DMP" > "DMPL" @@ -1581,23 +708,23 @@ work in the open source version of Axiom. > "graded_reverse_lexicographic" > "lexicographic" > "groebnerd" ->=20 +> > from polyd. > I also use the symbol "Q" from fieldname. -> In near future, there is a symbol FreeField or so which will be =20 +> In near future, there is a symbol FreeField or so which will be > supported. > Ok, I will look at this. -=20 ->=20 + +> > Further you are invited to make a wishlist, which functions from > our System (http://www.singular.uni-kl.de) you like to see in a > Openmath content dictionary. Probably we need to start something similar for Axiom. ->=20 +> > At the moment, the prototype is nothing as the pure mechanism > with groebner basis as proof of concept (which is not the > easiest possible example). @@ -1610,7 +737,7 @@ Probably we need to start something similar for Axiom. No problem. > My Openmath implementation is based on Python which is embedded -> in Singular and plays together with the Singular interpreter=20 +> in Singular and plays together with the Singular interpreter > nicely (can dynamically call all (a the moment nearly all) > interpreter and kernel functions). This is written by me and > not yet released officially. Python is in fact a strongly typed @@ -1624,55 +751,29 @@ use the word "strong" seems a little miss-leading. MathAction is based on software (Zope) written in Python. So your work with Python in Singular might be some advantage. ->=20 +> > And then I will have time to spend more time the Openmath > path. ->=20 +> > I will send you some examples of polynomial system encodings > using polyd, you can of course check, if my understanding of > the standard is correct. First I need to understand it. :) -> I also will send you an archive of the polyd CD , as http://=20 +> I also will send you an archive of the polyd CD , as http:// > www.openmath.org gives only internal errors at the moment > (not so unusual there). ->=20 +> Thanks, I will look into this and probably ask you a lot of questions later. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMUen-0002VP-7E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:03:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMUef-0002Sn-Ax - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:03:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMUea-0002RG-FO - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:03:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMUea-0002Qz-Cc - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:03:08 -0400 -Received: from [193.174.3.22] (helo=reichenbach.mfo.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMUeS-0006VN-Uo - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:03:01 -0400 -Received: from [193.174.3.116] (unknown [193.174.3.116]) - by reichenbach.mfo.de (Postfix) with ESMTP - id BF7F13CBE6; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:02:59 +0200 (MEST) From: Michael Brickenstein Subject: Re: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:03:03 +0200 To: Bill Page -Cc: list Hello! I am very sorry for not expressing me more clearly. I hope nobody @@ -1705,39 +806,10 @@ Together we should form a critical mass. Yours, Michael Brickenstein - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMW4A-0003Fc-Vv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:33:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMW3z-00038m-5X - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:33:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMW3s-00034Z-E3 - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:33:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMW3r-0002zc-LF - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:33:19 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) - (Exim 4.34) id 1EMW0z-0005j5-5h - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:30:21 -0400 -Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMVzV-0006L7-AN - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:28:49 +0200 -Received: from 0x503e5363.hrnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk ([80.62.83.99]) - by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) - id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:28:49 +0200 -Received: from jensaxel by 0x503e5363.hrnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk with local - (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:28:49 +0200 To: list From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jens_Axel_S=F8gaard?= Jens Axel Segaard Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:27:27 +0200 - <005a01c5c840$74985690$6700a8c0@asus> Subject: Re: Openmath, Singular Bill Page wrote: @@ -1783,55 +855,28 @@ See also the Wikipedia article on "Strongly Typed" : . --- -Jens Axel Søgaard - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMcFw-0003M3-Cu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:10:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMcFq-0003Jj-Qi - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:10:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMcFm-0003HQ-Hr - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:10:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMcFl-00038K-0J - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:10:01 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMc9F-0000ZD-Bv - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:03:17 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j9422s6Q013854; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:03:10 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Jens_Axel_S=F8gaard'?=" Jens Axel Segaard Subject: RE: Re: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:02:47 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list On October 3, 2005 3:27 PM Jens Axel S=F8gaard wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page wrote: >> On October 3, 2005 4:37 AM Michael Brickenstein wrote: ->=20 +> >>> ... Python is in fact a strongly typed language, which >>> doesn't do implicit conversions (at default), I only >>> mention this, as I know that axiom focuses very much on >>> a type system. ->>=20 +>> >> As I understand it Python is a dynamically typed language. >> To use the word "strong" seems a little miss-leading. ->=20 +> > Most likely we just use the words differently, but I don't > see an inherent conflict between "dynamically" and "strong". ->=20 +> I agree with you. The use of "strong" in this context is probably correct. But as the article that you cite @@ -1845,8 +890,8 @@ meaning that types are associated with variables. But in Python types are associated with values. E.g. in Python we can write - x=3D10 - x=3D"xxx" + x=10 + x="xxx" In the Axiom compilers we must write @@ -1854,11 +899,11 @@ In the Axiom compilers we must write so that x denotes some object from the domain Integer. E.g. - x:=3D10 + x:=10 But - x:=3D"xxx" + x:="xxx" is a type error. @@ -1874,44 +919,16 @@ By the usual mathematical convention adopted by Axiom library programmers, 1 denotes the unit with respect to multiplication in some domain. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMciy-0001kL-3x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:40:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMciS-0001ZT-T5 - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:39:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMciN-0001Y1-Oe - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:39:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMciN-0001Wj-76 - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:39:35 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMchQ-0002w0-BE - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:38:36 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j942cFmv000427; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:38:29 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:38:08 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list On October 3, 2005 2:03 PM Michael Brickenstein wrote: > I am very sorry for not expressing me more clearly. I hope -> nobody feels offended. I appreciate the work of all axiom=20 +> nobody feels offended. I appreciate the work of all axiom > Developers. It was only some weakness of English language > (in German you say "Dein" for Singular and "Euer" in Plural > as translation for "your").> ... @@ -1919,7 +936,7 @@ On October 3, 2005 2:03 PM Michael Brickenstein wrote: Nema problema. One would expect that the developers of English would have corrected such bugs by now! ;) ->=20 +> > For connecting Singular to MathAction directly via Python: > This will not be possible. Singular is not a library, so the > only thing possible for me was writing some embedding not an @@ -1931,23 +948,23 @@ called as in external process communicating by stdin and stdout. If your extensions of Singular need to call Python that is not a problem. ->=20 +> > I am looking forward, actually openmath itself is not so a > difficult thing to get run, it only needs some motivation to > implement it. There is no motivation, if nobody uses it. ->=20 +> I agree. I think the goals of OpenMath are noble, even though perhaps overly ambitious and (arguably) a little na=EFve. -> This is a point, where I attack. Additionally to axiom I am in=20 +> This is a point, where I attack. Additionally to axiom I am in > contact to Sage, and a CAS for representation theory which is > in planning. I also know from cocoa, that Openmath is their big > new feature (and some other systems, for which I don't know how > important it is for them). Of course I will further increase my > contacts in the community. Together we should form a critical > mass. ->=20 +> That is a good plan. @@ -1963,39 +980,11 @@ precisely because of it's very general approach to static typing of mathematical objects. I don't know of any other CAS which does this so consistently. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMdmj-0006Tf-50 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:48:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMdmh-0006TA-IG - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:48:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMdkf-0005jb-26 - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:46:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMdkb-0005WY-3v - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:45:57 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMdXS-00061f-SI - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:32:23 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j943W0dP027564; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:32:14 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:31:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Michael, @@ -2024,37 +1013,10 @@ http://www.bath.ac.uk/~masjhd/ReduceOpenMath/index.html I think it would great to provide a OpenMath link between Axiom and Reduce on MathAction. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMeOi-0000EX-N8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:27:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMe1l-0003R6-M7 - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:03:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMe1g-0003Oa-LA - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:03:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMe1f-0003FL-2i - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:03:35 -0400 -Received: from [209.226.175.74] (helo=tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMdsj-0007Qx-Mf - for list; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:54:21 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net - (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP - id <20051004035409.BQEM26550.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@asus>; - Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:54:09 -0400 From: Bill Page To: "'Tony Hearn'" Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:53:47 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" Cc: list, 'Winfried Neun' Subject: RE: New Version of REDUCE @@ -2163,41 +1125,12 @@ Bill Page. > > When things are working, we could put the code on the REDUCE > web site, or put a pointer there to wherever you have things stored. -> -> Regards, -> Tony -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMeWy-0001XX-OW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:35:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMeWr-0001Un-T5 - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:35:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMeWg-0001NT-H8 - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:35:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMeWe-0001EF-DJ - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:35:37 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMeLR-0000qK-Jw - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:24:01 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j944Nciu030908; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 00:23:51 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 00:23:30 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Michael, @@ -2229,8 +1162,7 @@ make modules in loctriv make[2]: Entering directory `/home/page/Singular-3-0-0/modules/loctriv' gcc -DNDEBUG -DBUILD_MODULE -I. -I/home/page/Singular-3-0-0/kernel -I/home/page/Singular-3-0-0/Singular --I/home/page/Singular-3-0-0/ix86-Linux/include -c -fPIC -DPIC loctriv.cc = --o +-I/home/page/Singular-3-0-0/ix86-Linux/include -c -fPIC -DPIC loctriv.cc -o loctriv.o make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/page/Singular-3-0-0/modules/loctriv' (cd modgen; make install) @@ -2265,8 +1197,7 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/page/Singular-3-0-0/modules' The axiom-developer.org server is running linux RedHat 9. I am using gcc --version 4.0.1. I downloaded the source via wget from -http://www.mathematik.uni-kl.de/ftp/pub/Math/Singular/src/3-0-0/Singular-= -3-0 +http://www.mathematik.uni-kl.de/ftp/pub/Math/Singular/src/3-0-0/Singular-3-0 -0-9.tar.gz First, I consulted the build instructions at: @@ -2294,39 +1225,10 @@ after apparently building a large part of the system? Who would you recommend I contact for help with this? -Thanks. - -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMfLV-0005Vr-Og - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:28:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMfKw-0005MC-Tx - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:27:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMfKq-0005Ih-8W - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:27:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMfKq-0005Ba-16 - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:27:28 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMfDB-0004Bs-Hy - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:19:33 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j945JDkv008750; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:19:27 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: "'Tim Daly'" Tim Daly Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:19:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Subject: Axiom Lisp API for OpenMath Tim, @@ -2365,55 +1267,30 @@ Mike. On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 11:28:39AM +1000, Jason White wrote: > Mike Dewar writes: > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 07:53:47PM +1000, Jason White wrote: -> > > While on the subject of output formats, as a longer-term goal, = -MathML +> > > While on the subject of output formats, as a longer-term goal, MathML > > > would probably be a useful addition. -> > I agree. Actually we started including OpenMath (which in a way is = -a +> > I agree. Actually we started including OpenMath (which in a way is a > > superset of MathML) and were planning to include MathML once it > > stabilised. -> >=20 +> > > > G82328 (2) -> OMwrite sin(x) ->=20 +> > Interesting. Upon issuing this command under Tim's test release I get: ->=20 +> > (1) -> OMwrite sin(x) -> =20 +> > >> System error: > OM-STRINGTOSTRINGPTR is invalid as a function. ->=20 +> > protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) ->=20 +> > Another item for the bug list? - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMfSs-0007dZ-9N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:35:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMfSk-0007aZ-Ba - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:35:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMfSh-0007ZL-O1 - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:35:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMfSg-0007SD-Jq - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:35:34 -0400 -Received: from [193.174.3.22] (helo=reichenbach.mfo.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMfLW-0004YX-TI - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:28:11 -0400 -Received: from [193.174.3.116] (unknown [193.174.3.116]) - by reichenbach.mfo.de (Postfix) with ESMTP - id 872313CBE6; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:28:08 +0200 (MEST) From: Michael Brickenstein Subject: Re: Openmath, Singular Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:28:13 +0200 To: Bill Page -Cc: list Hello Bill! @@ -2457,111 +1334,12 @@ will be improved in time. If also MathAction would use it, this would be a joy of my heart: I write my software for being used (very surprising). ;-) -Yours, -Michael Brickenstein - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMkaK-0001r2-Mf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:03:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMkaF-0001nA-5s - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:03:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMka9-0001kU-DE - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:03:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMka8-0001Y3-Ph - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:03:36 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMkTN-0002UD-NO - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 06:56:37 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j94AuXE7029341; 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It fixes a bug @@ -4835,78 +3421,22 @@ bmN0aW9ufQogIDw8cGFja2FnZSBGU1BFQ0YgRnVuY3Rpb25hbFNwZWNpYWxGdW5jdGlvbj4+PQog IClhYmJyZXYgcGFja2FnZSBGU1BFQ0YgRnVuY3Rpb25hbFNwZWNpYWxGdW5jdGlvbgo= --XLyDQVDl0e - -Martin ---XLyDQVDl0e-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMoLR-0000eG-7s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:04:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMoLM-0000cU-PF - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:04:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMoLI-0000Z6-J1 - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:04:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMoLF-0000Wc-RV - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:04:29 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EMoJL-0007JI-Un - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:02:32 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j94F2IE7003868; - Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:02:19 -0500 From: MathAction (kratt6) To: MathAction Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:02:18 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#213 No equality of operators which use dummy - variables] fix +Subject: [#213 No equality of operators which use dummy variables] fix -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/213NoEqualityOfOperatorsWhichUseDummyVariables/diff --- Another fix that was not too difficult. Fortunately, there is a property '%specialEqual' just intended for this purpose... combfunc.spad.pamphlet.patch --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/213NoEqualityOfOperatorsWhichUseDummyVariables#msg20051004100217-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMpBo-0001Ci-Bc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:58:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMpBk-0001BD-Rr - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:58:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EMpBi-00019b-KM - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:58:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMpAR-0000MC-6W - for list; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:57:23 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMoXS-0000PD-BH - for list; 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list Subject: Re: New Version of REDUCE -=09 -=09 + Bill, -=09 + it looks as though I missed something. -=09 + I remember that you got the software via ftp last time. -=09 + Do you prefer the 64 bit version for AMD64 / Intel EMT or the traditional 32 bit version for Linux? -=09 - Regards, -=09 - Winfried -=09 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN0nq-0001p9-LE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:22:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN0no-0001o8-LL - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:22:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN0nm-0001lc-JI - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:22:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EN0nm-0001lU-7W - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:22:46 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EN0nm-0007Jv-44 - for list; 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See also: AxiomUI --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/OpenMath#msg20051005002829-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN2LJ-0001cx-VT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN2LI-0001cj-64 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN2LG-0001bx-2m - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EN2LF-0001bq-Hd - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:25 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EN2LF-00040E-57 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:25 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j95618E7020506; - Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:01:08 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:01:08 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [OpenMath] XML/Aldor/OpenMath -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/OpenMath/diff --- "Bill Naylor:http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~wn provides some "Aldor libraries":http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~wn/AldorXML for dealing with XML objects such as OpenMath and MathML. Perhaps this could be adapted for use within Axiom. --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/OpenMath#msg20051005010107-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN2Lj-0001mn-Q0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN2Lh-0001lX-DH - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN2Lf-0001kS-3L - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EN2Le-0001k6-Dj - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:50 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EN2Le-00040n-37 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:01:50 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9561UE7020608; - Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:01:30 -0500 -From: MathAction (Bill Page) -To: MathAction -Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:01:30 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [OpenMath] XML/Aldor/OpenMath - -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/OpenMath/diff --- - -??changed: --"Bill Naylor:http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~wn provides some -"Bill Naylor":http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~wn provides some - --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/OpenMath#msg20051005010130-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN2lR-0000rj-5O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:28:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN2lO-0000rC-7o - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:28:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EN2lM-0000qs-Vd - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:28:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EN2lM-0000qm-DQ - for list; 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While the original designers were mainly developers of computer -->algebra systems, it is now attracting interest from other areas of -->scientific computation and from many publishers of electronic -->documents with a significant mathematical content. There is a strong -->relationship to the MathML recommendation from the Worldwide Web -->Consortium, and a large overlap between the two developer communities. -->MathML deals principally with the presentation of mathematical objects, -->while OpenMath is solely concerned with their semantic meaning or --[166 more lines...] - --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/OpenMath#msg20051005032026-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENACY-0002AI-1m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:24:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENACV-00029i-Vo - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:24:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENACD-000220-68 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:24:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENACD-00021w-2o - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:24:37 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.189] (helo=web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENAC4-0005ms-Sm - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:24:31 -0400 -Received: (qmail 64217 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2005 14:23:58 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=nh3h1QvLeRGEWIejFk6al44a5ICOhr+C13mxXepDafhMz/cuPFaJ6EMT/n+m9B6rdXjnBGO2kSm2hQrsPYtSRmV4B5QuD2ZPBKxdiAiR1hsNvO01CeteOxkQs4rAcoIAckpzSng9cXPBe0hMB/LWbFbPtzVhMhPpaJ3g4Oym/RE= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:23:57 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page, list -Cc: Subject: Web based bibtex Bill, I'm assuming the Axiom Portal uses this for Bibliography stuff? @@ -6342,58 +4435,22 @@ purposes we will need something with search capabilities. Also, if possible, it would be nice to be able to identify which part(s) of Axiom a particular paper is relevant to. -Cheers, -CY - - - -__________________________________ -Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENB3C-0007HM-2J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:19:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENB39-0007GQ-41 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:19:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENB37-0007E9-3S - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:19:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENB36-0007Dv-NP - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:19:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENB35-00027i-G2 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:19:16 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 98F5266390; - Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:19:14 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AF54266383; - Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:19:05 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Topic: Web based bibtex -Thread-Index: AcXJuTRlej86OyH1QtC5fB2rNc2tMwAAjefw From: Bill Page To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: RE: Web based bibtex On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:24 AM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill, I'm assuming the Axiom Portal uses this for Bibliography stuff? > http://plone.org/products/cmfbibliographyat ->=20 +> Yes, but we are still at the previous older version CMFBibliographyAT-0.4. ->From your link above I see that the current version is=20 +>From your link above I see that the current version is http://plone.org/products/cmfbibliographyat/releases/0.7.0 @@ -6423,7 +4480,7 @@ to 0.7. Too many changes to list them here. Most important addition might be the BibTeX marshaller. Also, the package structure now follows AT's conventions. Created by raphael - Last modified 2005-09-16 06:53 AM=20 + Last modified 2005-09-16 06:53 AM ---------- @@ -6463,42 +4520,14 @@ bibliographies into a hierarchical folder structure. > capabilities. Also, if possible, it would be nice to be able to > identify which part(s) of Axiom a particular paper is relevant > to. ->=20 +> I think that it is possible to add such notes to the bibtex entries. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENDJw-0004gg-Ee - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:44:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENDJu-0004fR-4R - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:44:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENDJm-0004ac-Iy - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:44:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENDJl-0004Zy-04 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:44:37 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.185] (helo=web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENDJi-00082B-AC - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:44:36 -0400 -Received: (qmail 32583 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2005 17:44:22 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=4ZIM7o6F4oMfw0O6TaAd86/Yd2ebn+8DjSC39Gj5SDdMUAuOPWntC9m2m4twSXsQFLAdEJ9DGVcdHYQ1pa7Hhuf5Or3Jr/1IRw7EYGVbbiNZH3TuL5e1ABXBx+Y2zY93ag3U/RS+HrhaX/gUMG4qrGRsv2+F6GxKgJdFJnj5l0M= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:44:21 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: Web based bibtex --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -6595,47 +4624,11 @@ IMHO we should figure out how to make this general and robust from the beginning, because it will be very important to the literate programming effort to have a good structure for references set up. -Cheers, -CY - - - - - -__________________________________ -Yahoo! 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Sorry for any confusion. -CY - - - -__________________________________ -Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENEmP-0005ZU-F7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:18:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENEmM-0005Wv-J5 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:18:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENEmK-0005WU-QL - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:18:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENEmK-0005WQ-N6 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:18:12 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENEmJ-0007Kk-GA - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:18:12 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0507F692B2; - Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:18:08 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D1FFD692BB; - Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:18:04 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Topic: Web based bibtex -Thread-Index: AcXJ1HMLR0OWQO68TYS1KjVO8bQQFwABbwTQ From: Bill Page To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: RE: Web based bibtex On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:44 PM C Y wrote: @@ -6694,16 +4652,16 @@ On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:44 PM C Y wrote: > Bill Page wrote: > > In the Advanced Search you can limit the search to just BibTeX > > records. See -> >=20 +> > > > http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/Plone/search_form ->=20 +> > Ah! Got it. ->=20 +> > > Click 'Item type' ( ) Select All/None, then check off as many > > of the *reference* types as you want. Enter some Search Text > > e.g. "quadratic" and then click 'Search'. You should see 4 > > bibtex references. ->=20 +> > Nice. We should have some kind of documentation explaining what > all the categories actually refer to - for example, is the wiki > search the Axiom wiki + the Reduce wiki? @@ -6752,7 +4710,7 @@ the properties and methods that can act on that page. Wiki pages are just one of the object types that are supported in Plone. Zwiki, on the other hand only contains wiki page objects. -> ...=20 +> ... > BTY, who can add bibtex entries? Is it just the site admin? No. Any registered user of the Axiom Portal can add bibtex @@ -6781,47 +4739,19 @@ even better. The wiki and the portal are collaborative environments and by design they are intended to foster cooperation between collaborators... blah, blah... ->=20 +> > IMHO we should figure out how to make this general and > robust from the beginning, because it will be very important > to the literate programming effort to have a good structure > for references set up. ->=20 +> I agree. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENFDQ-0003gD-Gt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:46:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENFDP-0003fU-3w - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:46:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENFDN-0003er-E6 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:46:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENFDN-0003eo-AB - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:46:09 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.181] (helo=web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENFDN-0001il-DX - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:46:09 -0400 -Received: (qmail 70179 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2005 19:46:08 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=nCJl2ggAMHC5X942fxipYKhuwbfBzY8xfdnJcljM/CQBPTXxPlps5iz1NB/acrgWbd8fhG4PK8A9gxsJK3eHockq0sWyvmkjuYVcI+KlO8CbEKBKCOJyog6FVGsajGl6RQMSI4fXzeX3R6byi9RCg6IH/5z7/rCnc5KzHYqzDxE= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:46:08 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:46:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: Web based bibtex --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -6893,50 +4823,14 @@ up a way to have the codebase repository updated each time a bibliography update is committed via web, and have the website updated every time a new bibtex entry is put into the repository. -Cheers, -CY - - - -__________________________________ -Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENGMX-0008Am-4u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:59:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENGMV-0008AX-4B - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:59:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENGMU-0008AL-Il - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:59:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENGMU-0008AI-Gs - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:59:38 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENGMT-0008Dq-Io - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:59:38 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9119B69851; - Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:59:36 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1B6F76984E; - Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:59:32 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Topic: Web based bibtex -Thread-Index: AcXJ5smIFE1LD4eJSSqGere66XW1HQAANfFg From: Bill Page To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: RE: Web based bibtex On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:46 PM C Y ->=20 +> > I am uneasy about doing any significant work in the Plone > environment, because I have a feeling it might never be > part of the "active" Axiom website (I doubt Plone-Axiom @@ -7012,16 +4906,16 @@ There is never enough time... there is never enough time... > perhaps implementing an alternative bibliography solution in the > wiki or some such - maybe this would be of interest? > http://wikindx.sourceforge.net/index.html ->=20 +> I am aware of WIKINDX. It's a nice effort but it lives in a very different software environment than ZWiki and Plone:: WIKINDX Requirements: - 1. PHP >=3D v4.3.x - 2. MySQL >=3D v3.23.xx - 3. Apache >=3D v1.3.x + 1. PHP >= v4.3.x + 2. MySQL >= v3.23.xx + 3. Apache >= v1.3.x PHP is the "other way" to design web applications these days - probably more popular than Zope. The difference between Zope @@ -7044,7 +4938,7 @@ in Python which is a strongly-typed (but dynamic) language with a PHP on the other hand is essentially a variant of Perl - another "engineering-oriented" language ;) to steal Tim Daly's phrase. ->=20 +> > Hmm. Nifty! Can a user select a subset of entries to > generate a bibtex file, or is it only one at a time? > @@ -7061,8 +4955,8 @@ The 'contents' tab will allow you to delete and copy entries. I don't know anyway how to download just a subset based on a query. But perhaps there is some way to do this in the newer release of the bibliography product. -=20 ->=20 + +> > Another thought is that a "global" bibtex file generated from > this system could provide the foundation bib file for the > Axiom codebase, assuming one can be automatically generated. @@ -7077,43 +4971,15 @@ Yes, at least it could be done nightly or whatever using wget. > and have the website updated every time a new bibtex entry is > put into the repository. ->=20 +> I am less sure how to do that but that is also likely possible based on a tla -diff or something of that sort. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENHDw-0006FP-NI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:54:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENHDv-0006Eu-1D - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:54:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENHDt-0006Ei-G5 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:54:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENHDt-0006Ef-D0 - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:54:49 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.42] (helo=vms042pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENHDt-0004a1-Ij - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:54:49 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.84.133.3]) - by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix - 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id - <0INW00CXXQ7BKUHA@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:54:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:54:48 -0400 From: William Sit To: Clifford Yapp Cliff Yapp -Message-id: <43444BA8.E9EDC17D@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: Units in a calculus problem using Maple Dear CY: @@ -7218,7 +5084,7 @@ Why isn't x = -20 not substituted? (Maple's Unit internals expect only positive values?) And, watch this: -> x:=20 * miles/hour; +> x: * miles/hour; 5588 x := ---- [m/s] @@ -7244,76 +5110,12 @@ user) (4) (not sure) allow automatic assignment of dimension/unit to numeric constants to balance dimension in an expression (what physicists do) and give a warning - -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENLbN-0004wv-Db - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:35:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENLbI-0004nc-Tv - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:35:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENLbG-0004gX-6d - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:35:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENLbF-0004fe-QI - for list; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:35:13 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENLbF-0005XC-TI - for list; 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Limits of this kind are currently handled in 'limitps.spad', where Axiom tries to do a Puiseux expansion of the expression. -Martin --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/214LimitOnProductsAndSums#msg20051006072911-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENVwl-000739-KF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:38:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENVwf-00071g-Fd - for list; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:38:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENVwb-0006zy-3n - for list; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:38:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENVwZ-0006zB-HR - for list; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:37:55 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.189] (helo=web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENVwY-00023m-B1 - for list; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:37:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail 77231 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2005 13:37:51 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=zMMV5A+xcXbSzVAm0KQkrm19JaiPbumuraAP+9K0TRMWemvh92CR84mJvW8nVAXqFgQxFrIf+9QZw+p+FFdGjUezEtmfJc4sU63mJvpXYv/9UHsqB5LvCQf0Wd3mBW6XyT5LUK6TnLk52lPOndIcNjGl9jXX/rIa+gkNv4NfRvk= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:37:51 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: Web based bibtex --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -7670,44 +5309,10 @@ of offhand is to use some kind of file monitor or something to watch the bib file and trigger events if it is changed, and I doubt that's worth the trouble. -Cheers, -CY - - - -__________________________________ -Yahoo! 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I'll take another look later when I've got more time. -Cheers, -CY - - - -__________________________________ -Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENt1x-0006h7-Cv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:17:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENt1u-0006f5-RQ - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:16:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENt1t-0006dH-B3 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:16:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENt1s-0006d8-Tr - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:16:56 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENt1s-0002dG-NZ - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:16:57 -0400 -Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j97EFdeI058448 - for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:15:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:13:20 +0200 To: list @@ -7982,35 +5558,11 @@ of course, %defsum(%CD log(%CD),%CD,i,1,m) will not simplify, it should simply be displayed as a sum. I suspect that the problem is in map$UPS, but I don't really know... -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENtNM-0002iH-Ca - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:39:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENtNK-0002er-6N - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:39:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENtNJ-0002e2-EW - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:39:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENtNJ-0002dd-1N - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:39:05 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENtNJ-0004Qn-0i - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:39:05 -0400 -Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j97EcdeI067980; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:38:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:36:19 +0200 To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: series for sums -Cc: list Well, here is a stupid alternative, which works better on the surface: @@ -8029,36 +5581,11 @@ equivalent to issue #212. The summation design is seriously broken, I'd say. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENudf-0001AQ-K5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:00:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENudd-0001AB-L0 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:00:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENudb-00019S-Lh - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:00:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENudb-00019P-J8 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:59:59 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENudb-0001Pf-OA - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:00:00 -0400 -Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j97FxkeI095444; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:59:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:57:22 +0200 To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: series for sums - <17222.34787.567260.770556@seam101.local> -Cc: list Dear all, @@ -8093,290 +5620,107 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > equivalent to issue #212. > > The summation design is seriously broken, I'd say. - > - > Martin - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENvNY-000417-AQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:45:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwHt-0001f1-T5 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:45:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwHs-0001eY-4U - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:45:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENwHr-0001eL-Ub - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:45:40 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENwHr-0007ky-QV - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:45:39 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97HjUE7002253; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:45:30 -0500 From: MathAction (unknown) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:45:30 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the - web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- This is impossible for me to view. -Acroread on linux has serious stability issues and consistently crashes my browser or forcibly grabs my mouse and won't let go. All open-source pdf viewers (xpdf, gpdf, etc) have inferior font rendering and often cannot anti-alias the fonts. - -The net result is that any user has to jump through a ton of hoops just to look at these pamphlet pages, and in the end, they're bypassing the chosen medium (the web) altogether! - -While the rendering quality of the latexwiki-image or mathml is currently inferior, I don't think jumping through all these hoops is worth the small increase in rendering quality. Instead, I think we should use the technologies built into the browser already (images/mathml) and push the browser developers to improve their rendering quality. - -For instance, the mozilla people have just checked in a "patch which improves printing of transparent png's":https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141656. Previously they printed black-on-black and were unreadable. Another recently checked-in patch "properly aligns equations that are generated by latex2html":https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192077. - -Undoubtedly, we will encounter many bugs in the rendering of mathml. But, I think pushing forward with "math on the web" is a desirable goal, and sidestepping the problem by embedding pdf will hurt rather than help the whole situation. It seems to me the natural migration route is send images for old browsers, mathml for new browsers, and report bugs against the browsers when this falls down. - -I know current pamphlets are a latex format, but the subset of latex actually used is quite small. There are two ways to go here...1) write a zwiki "pagetype" which renders the subset, or 2) call latex2html or tth (or some other tool) on the backend to render as html with embedded images or mathml. - -Unfortunately I am quite busy and won't be able to work on this any time soon. :( - -Just my 2 cents. +Acroread on linux has serious stability issues and consistently +crashes my browser or forcibly grabs my mouse and won't let go. All +open-source pdf viewers (xpdf, gpdf, etc) have inferior font rendering +and often cannot anti-alias the fonts. + +The net result is that any user has to jump through a ton of hoops +just to look at these pamphlet pages, and in the end, they're +bypassing the chosen medium (the web) altogether! + +While the rendering quality of the latexwiki-image or mathml is +currently inferior, I don't think jumping through all these hoops is +worth the small increase in rendering quality. Instead, I think we +should use the technologies built into the browser already +(images/mathml) and push the browser developers to improve their +rendering quality. + +For instance, the mozilla people have just checked in a "patch which +improves printing of transparent +png's":https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141656. +Previously they printed black-on-black and were unreadable. Another +recently checked-in patch "properly aligns equations that are +generated by +latex2html":https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192077. + +Undoubtedly, we will encounter many bugs in the rendering of mathml. +But, I think pushing forward with "math on the web" is a desirable +goal, and sidestepping the problem by embedding pdf will hurt rather +than help the whole situation. It seems to me the natural migration +route is send images for old browsers, mathml for new browsers, and +report bugs against the browsers when this falls down. + +I know current pamphlets are a latex format, but the subset of latex +actually used is quite small. There are two ways to go here...1) +write a zwiki "pagetype" which renders the subset, or 2) call +latex2html or tth (or some other tool) on the backend to render as +html with embedded images or mathml. + +Unfortunately I am quite busy and won't be able to work on this any +time soon. :( -- Bob --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg20051007124527-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwsp-0002Cp-Dz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:23:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwso-0002CV-07 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:23:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwsm-0002CJ-Hw - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:23:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENwsm-0002CG-Eq - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:23:48 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENwsm-0001ZK-EK - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:23:48 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97INdE7018473; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:23:39 -0500 From: MathAction (root) To: MathAction - (MathAction) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:23:39 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- Is it possible to get a handle to a "canvass" in a browser? If so it would be possible to do both graphics and a dvi mechanism. -Tim - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg200510071818.j97IIpN04846@localhost.localdomain - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwuh-0002t7-CN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:25:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwuf-0002rt-At - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:25:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwud-0002qB-45 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:25:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENwuc-0002q5-Gh - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:25:42 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENwuc-0001eq-G2 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:25:42 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97IPVE7019447; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:25:31 -0500 From: MathAction (Bob McElrath) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:25:31 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- -root [MathAction] wrote: > Is it possible to get a handle to a "canvass" in a browser? > If so it would be possible to do both graphics and a dvi mechanism. Yes, SVG has this capability. - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg20051007182535.GD14708@mcelrath.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwwe-0003Wf-Ve - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:27:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwwd-0003WG-1R - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:27:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENwwb-0003W0-L3 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:27:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENwwb-0003Vx-Hc - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:27:45 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENwwb-0001kP-G1 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:27:45 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97IRbE7020157; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:27:37 -0500 From: MathAction (root) To: MathAction - (MathAction) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:27:37 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- Actually, in answer to my canvas question: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Canvas_tutorial shows that it possible to use a tag and draw into it. - Tim --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg200510071823.j97INdU04850@localhost.localdomain - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENx0u-0005bS-T7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:32:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENx0t-0005ap-9q - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:32:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENx0r-0005ad-SH - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:32:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENx0r-0005aa-Of - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:32:09 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENx0r-0001ym-Or - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:32:09 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97IW0E7022087; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:32:00 -0500 From: MathAction (Bob McElrath) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:32:00 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- root [MathAction] wrote: > shows that it possible to use a tag and draw into it. @@ -8384,41 +5728,12 @@ Coooooolllll.... http://mozilla.doslash.org/stuff/canvas/shell.html - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg20051007183205.GA21453@mcelrath.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxGH-0003xU-W0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:48:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxGF-0003xB-LE - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:48:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxGE-0003wz-5x - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:48:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENxGD-0003ww-0s - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:48:01 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENxGD-0002zQ-69 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:48:01 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97IlnE7028629; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:47:49 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:47:49 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the - web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- > > The net result is that any user has to jump through a ton > of hoops just to look at these pamphlet pages, and in the @@ -8471,41 +5786,12 @@ Maybe, but integration with Zwiki/LatexWiki is a pain. And there-in lies **all** of our problems. :) --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg01e601c5cb6f$9577c530$6700a8c0@asus - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxMC-0005oM-HR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:54:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxMB-0005m1-1z - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:54:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxM9-0005jl-HC - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:54:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENxM9-0005jd-Dg - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:54:09 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENxM9-0003JW-J4 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:54:09 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97Is0E7031157; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:54:00 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:54:00 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210Pamphlet support on - MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- > > ... "canvass" in a browser? > If so it would be possible to do both graphics and a dvi @@ -8515,82 +5801,23 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMath Neat stuff! I think especially interesting for AxiomUI ... but does it really do dvi? --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg01e701c5cb70$772c8830$6700a8c0@asus - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxav-0003po-PI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:09:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxau-0003pM-08 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:09:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxas-0003od-5p - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:09:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENxar-0003oZ-WF - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:09:22 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENxar-0004DN-Mp - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:09:22 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97J9CE7004998; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:09:12 -0500 From: MathAction (root) To: MathAction - (MathAction) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:09:12 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- dvi plugin from several places. this page appears to claim that techexplorer can do it: http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/kp229/ndvi -Tim - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg200510071905.j97J5El04885@localhost.localdomain - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxh2-000793-LL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:15:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxh1-00078v-7c - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:15:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxgz-00078j-Of - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:15:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENxgz-00078g-Hb - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:15:41 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENxgz-0004gb-Eg - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:15:41 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97JFWE7007862; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:15:32 -0500 From: MathAction (C Y) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:15:32 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- --- Bill Page wrote: > That's odd. It worked "right out of the box" for me using @@ -8610,48 +5837,12 @@ standard in rendering quality, but to the best of my knowledge that isn't because pdf is proprietary. (BTY, I recommend the recent releases of kpdf - it is getting quite good.) -Cheers, -CY - - - -__________________________________ -Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 -http://mail.yahoo.com - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg20051007191537.18947.qmail@web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxsx-0004yJ-Aa - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:28:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxsv-0004xn-Gx - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:28:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxst-0004wt-Qq - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:28:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENxst-0004wc-KI - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:27:59 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENxst-0005Ej-IX - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:27:59 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97JRmE7013128; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:27:48 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:27:48 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] ndvi -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- If anyone can get ndvi to work with FireFox then I will get very excited. @@ -8661,190 +5852,81 @@ where it sits ... Techexplorer used to be part of the commercial distribution of Axiom on windows. I **wish** that we could have kept it as part of the open source version of Axiom!! --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg20051007142748-0500@page.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxus-0006Wl-PM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:30:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxur-0006WF-RO - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:30:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENxuq-0006Vs-9w - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:30:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENxuq-0006Vp-3x - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:30:00 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENxuq-0005JM-0J - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:30:00 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97JToE7014163; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:29:50 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:29:50 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] real - demonstration of pamphlet files +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] real demonstration of pamphlet files -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- In can anyone hasn't notice the new link on the FrontPage you can see some real examples of Axiom pamphlet files here: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1 --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg20051007142950-0500@page.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENzYM-0006MX-Bz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:14:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENzYK-0006KC-Lo - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:14:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ENzYJ-0006IQ-5t - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:14:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENzYJ-0006IG-2e - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:14:51 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENzYI-0002D0-WE - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:14:51 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j97LEcE7024414; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:14:38 -0500 From: MathAction (unknown) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:14:38 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [numerical linear algebra] -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/NumericalLinearAlgebra/diff --- \begin{axiom} P:=matrix[[a, b], [1.0 - a, 1.0 - b]] eigenvectors(P) \end{axiom} --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/NumericalLinearAlgebra#msg20051007161435-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EO37r-0004DL-RU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:03:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EO37q-0004DF-LI - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:03:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EO37p-0004D2-58 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:03:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EO37p-0004Cz-23 - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:03:45 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EO37o-00084j-ND - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:03:44 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9813UE7023671; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:03:30 -0500 From: MathAction (Ed Borasky) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:03:30 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- unknown wrote: >Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff >-- >This is impossible for me to view. -> ->Acroread on linux has serious stability issues and consistently crashes my browser or forcibly grabs my mouse and won't let go. All open-source pdf viewers (xpdf, gpdf, etc) have inferior font rendering and often cannot anti-alias the fonts. -> -> + +>Acroread on linux has serious stability issues and consistently + crashes my browser or forcibly grabs my mouse and won't let go. All + open-source pdf viewers (xpdf, gpdf, etc) have inferior font + rendering and often cannot anti-alias the fonts. + + I've had a few problems with Acroread 7 on Linux but for the most part they only happen when viewing a PDF off the web with Firefox. If you download the file to your hard drive and open it, it should work fine. Be sure you have the latest Acroread and Firefox. What distro are you running? ->While the rendering quality of the latexwiki-image or mathml is currently inferior, I don't think jumping through all these hoops is worth the small increase in rendering quality. Instead, I think we should use the technologies built into the browser already (images/mathml) and push the browser developers to improve their rendering quality. -> -> +>While the rendering quality of the latexwiki-image or mathml is + currently inferior, I don't think jumping through all these hoops is + worth the small increase in rendering quality. Instead, I think we + should use the technologies built into the browser already + (images/mathml) and push the browser developers to improve their + rendering quality. + Yes, I agree. Have you tried Amaya? They're trying to be the "reference browser", and I know they want to fix any rendering issues. I'm on their mailing list. ->Undoubtedly, we will encounter many bugs in the rendering of mathml. But, I think pushing forward with "math on the web" is a desirable goal, and sidestepping the problem by embedding pdf will hurt rather than help the whole situation. It seems to me the natural migration route is send images for old browsers, mathml for new browsers, and report bugs against the browsers when this falls down. -> -> +>Undoubtedly, we will encounter many bugs in the rendering of mathml. + But, I think pushing forward with "math on the web" is a desirable + goal, and sidestepping the problem by embedding pdf will hurt rather + than help the whole situation. It seems to me the natural migration + route is send images for old browsers, mathml for new browsers, and + report bugs against the browsers when this falls down. + Yes, I agree. Start with Amaya; they're likely to be more responsive than Firefox/Mozilla. --- -Ed Borasky - -http://www.borasky-research.net/ -http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/ - -http://pdxneurosemantics.com -http://pdx-sales-coach.com -http://algocompsynth.com - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg43471ADF.90206@cesmail.net - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EO4aU-00016B-4q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:37:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EO4aS-000166-KG - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:37:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EO4aS-00015u-4R - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:37:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EO4aS-00015r-0X - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:37:24 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EO4aS-0004YU-2T - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:37:24 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j982b7E7029615; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:37:07 -0500 From: MathAction (michel.lavaud) To: MathAction Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:37:07 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 Pamphlet support on - MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- On 7 Oct 2005 at 14:15, C Y wrote: > I must be misunderstanding something - AFAIK pdf isn't proprietary. @@ -8852,114 +5934,52 @@ On 7 Oct 2005 at 14:15, C Y wrote: > viewers or generaters for it. In what sense it is more or less > proprietary than postscript or dvi or mathml? -The pdf format is proprietary _and_ fully documented - as is the Word format. And -what Microsoft did, Adobe can do it : that is, he can decide some day to change the -pdf format in a way incompatible with previous versions (as MS did for Word - to -enhance performances, or increase his income or whatever reason), users cannot do -anything against that. And if the modifications are not strictly upward compatible with -preceding ones, some formulas included in scientific articles could become inexact, -without the author being aware of it, and without the reader being able to notice it :for -texts, the reader can easily detect and correct errors while reading, but this is -impossible for formulas, in general.This could be as catastrophic for science as the -burning of Alexandria's library. - -Unfortunately, many scientists are not aware of this problem with pdf. Even among -TeX developers, many promote replacing dvi by pdf. Pdf is acceptable for short-life -documents, but not (IMHO) for scientific documents : only exactness certified over -very long periods of time ought to be taken into consideration for science. It does not -seem reasonable to rely on proprietary formats such as Word or pdf and cross one's -fingers, hoping they won't do something wrong. Because some day, they will :-( - -The most critical community against pdf lately were not scientists but lawyers, -because of Enron and other affairs, that generated "tons" of electronic documents, -and they fear that these documents could become unreadable in the long term. The -problem of defining an A-pdf format (Archival-pdf) was resurrected on this occasion. -For scientists, I think it would be important that everybody realize the problem, before -our libraries of pdf documents "burn". The dvi format is completely safe because it is -frozen and very simple, and is very well suited because it has been devised for -science. - -Best wishes, - -Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr -http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX -ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX -liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr -Abonnement à la liste: envoyer un message de contenu -"sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" à sympa@univ-orleans.fr - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg43474E28.10436.107FC94@localhost - - +The pdf format is proprietary _and_ fully documented - as is the Word +format. And what Microsoft did, Adobe can do it : that is, he can +decide some day to change the pdf format in a way incompatible with +previous versions (as MS did for Word - to enhance performances, or +increase his income or whatever reason), users cannot do anything +against that. And if the modifications are not strictly upward +compatible with preceding ones, some formulas included in scientific +articles could become inexact, without the author being aware of it, +and without the reader being able to notice it :for texts, the reader +can easily detect and correct errors while reading, but this is +impossible for formulas, in general.This could be as catastrophic for +science as the burning of Alexandria's library. + +Unfortunately, many scientists are not aware of this problem with +pdf. Even among TeX developers, many promote replacing dvi by pdf. Pdf +is acceptable for short-life documents, but not (IMHO) for scientific +documents : only exactness certified over very long periods of time +ought to be taken into consideration for science. It does not seem +reasonable to rely on proprietary formats such as Word or pdf and +cross one's fingers, hoping they won't do something wrong. Because +some day, they will :-( + +The most critical community against pdf lately were not scientists but +lawyers, because of Enron and other affairs, that generated "tons" of +electronic documents, and they fear that these documents could become +unreadable in the long term. The problem of defining an A-pdf format +(Archival-pdf) was resurrected on this occasion. For scientists, I +think it would be important that everybody realize the problem, before +our libraries of pdf documents "burn". The dvi format is completely +safe because it is frozen and very simple, and is very well suited +because it has been devised for science. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EO4mk-0004qY-Ra - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:50:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EO4mj-0004q0-2l - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:50:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EO4mi-0004pa-8Z - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:50:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EO4mi-0004pR-3E - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:50:04 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EO4mi-000565-5F - for list; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:50:04 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j982noE7002050; - Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:49:50 -0500 From: MathAction (root) To: MathAction - (MathAction) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:49:50 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 - Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 Pamphlet support on - MathAction] [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web +Subject: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Math on the web -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction/diff --- Actually, I continue to maintain the position that documents should be available in SOURCE form, not pdf, not dvi, etc. Only source allows you the ability to use the information in any way. -Tim - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction#msg200510080245.j982jxb05019@localhost.localdomain - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOTcR-0006TF-Sx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:21:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOTcQ-0006T6-Mw - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:21:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOTcQ-0006Su-17 - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:21:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOTcP-0006Sr-Ub - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:21:06 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EOTcP-0002zr-Rp - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:21:06 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j995KfvW028235 - for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:20:54 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:20:35 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" Subject: PDF/A and pamphlet support on MathAction Since this is not directly related to the original issue @@ -9119,39 +6139,11 @@ collaborative content on MathAction so far, I am quite uncertain how successful this experiment might be with Axiom itself. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOdmU-0003dI-De - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:56:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOly7-0001MR-DH - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:56:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOly6-0001ME-R5 - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:56:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOly6-0001MB-Mx - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:56:42 -0400 -Received: from [212.94.174.68] (helo=smtp.cegetel.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EOly6-0001xF-QK - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:56:43 -0400 -Received: from bijou (84-4-2-199.adslgp.cegetel.net [84.4.2.199]) - by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39166A0028 - for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 02:56:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Michel Lavaud To: list Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:01:45 +0200 Subject: Re: PDF/A and pamphlet support on MathAction -Priority: normal On 9 Oct 2005 at 1:20, Bill Page wrote: @@ -9354,67 +6289,45 @@ On 9 Oct 2005 at 1:20, Bill Page wrote: > proprietary format, so I cannot read it. If you send me > the plain text, HTML, or PDF, then I could read it." -Well, I think this criticism of Stallmann is pointless for Windows users, = -obsolete for -Linux, Macintosh, Solaris and BSD users, and at best misleading for all e-= -mail users ;-) +Well, I think this criticism of Stallmann is pointless for Windows users, obsolete for +Linux, Macintosh, Solaris and BSD users, and at best misleading for all e-mail users ;-) -- It is pointless for Windows users, because Microsoft provides freely a v= -iewer of Word +- It is pointless for Windows users, because Microsoft provides freely a viewer of Word documents, aka Adobe's Acrobat Reader for pdf documents. -- It is obsolete for Linux, Mac, Solaris and BSD users, because Open Offic= -e is "able to -read and write Microsoft Office files. This allows users to open and save = -Word, Excel -and PowerPoint files on their preferred platform incl. Windows, Linux and = -Solaris", as +- It is obsolete for Linux, Mac, Solaris and BSD users, because Open Office is "able to +read and write Microsoft Office files. This allows users to open and save Word, Excel +and PowerPoint files on their preferred platform incl. Windows, Linux and Solaris", as can be read on OOo site, cf. http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/1.1/ -- It is misleading for all e-mail users, because the main problem with Wor= -d -attachments is not that some people cannot read them (even RS can read the= -m now, if -he wants), but the possibility that they vehiculate viruses. And the same = -is true for html, -pdf and several other types of attachments. It would have been more useful= - for users -to say "avoid Word and html and pdf attachments because they can bring you= - viruses, +- It is misleading for all e-mail users, because the main problem with Word +attachments is not that some people cannot read them (even RS can read them now, if +he wants), but the possibility that they vehiculate viruses. And the same is true for html, +pdf and several other types of attachments. It would have been more useful for users +to say "avoid Word and html and pdf attachments because they can bring you viruses, instead of "avoid Word attachments because I cannot read it". -As for the the parallel between pdf documents and Word documents : the und= -erlying -format of Word documents is rtf format, which is publicly available on the= - web. For +As for the the parallel between pdf documents and Word documents : the underlying +format of Word documents is rtf format, which is publicly available on the web. For example, version 1.5 can be obtained for ex. at the url : http://www.biblioscape.com/rtf15_spec.htm -and version 1.6 is available (since 1999, according to MS site) for ex. at= - +and version 1.6 is available (since 1999, according to MS site) for ex. at -http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=3D/library/en- +http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en- us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp -The rtf specs were used in versions of Word up to 2000, and the latest ver= -sions use -XML, according to MS site. Therefore, I still think that comparing pdf to = -Word, as for -the potential danger in using them, is not "at best inaccurate". There is = -a strong -analogy between pdf documents and Word documents : both use a proprietary = -and -fully documented format, and their editors both provide a free viewer for = -the documents -written in their proprietary formats. And presenting the adoption of pdf/a= - by the ISO as -an argument in favor of pdf is a sophism ;-) Rigorously speaking, its ado= -ption ought to -be considered as an official recognition that using pdf poses severe probl= -ems for +The rtf specs were used in versions of Word up to 2000, and the latest versions use +XML, according to MS site. Therefore, I still think that comparing pdf to Word, as for +the potential danger in using them, is not "at best inaccurate". There is a strong +analogy between pdf documents and Word documents : both use a proprietary and +fully documented format, and their editors both provide a free viewer for the documents +written in their proprietary formats. And presenting the adoption of pdf/a by the ISO as +an argument in favor of pdf is a sophism ;-) Rigorously speaking, its adoption ought to +be considered as an official recognition that using pdf poses severe problems for archiving document (as I explained in my preceding mail). > > The most critical community against pdf lately were not @@ -9428,76 +6341,33 @@ archiving document (as I explained in my preceding mail). > So I think C Y is right. At least now there is a version > of PDF that is no longer proprietary. -No, PDF/A is not a version of PDF, it is _based on_ a specific version of = -pdf. Pdf is still -proprietary, as far as I know. Or did you see any declaration of Adobe say= -ing they will +No, PDF/A is not a version of PDF, it is _based on_ a specific version of pdf. Pdf is still +proprietary, as far as I know. Or did you see any declaration of Adobe saying they will adopt pdf/a as the new version of pdf ? > It seems that PDF has > recently been accepted as a standard by the International > Standards Organization. -No, once again, it is not pdf that has been accepted as a standard by the = -ISO. +No, once again, it is not pdf that has been accepted as a standard by the ISO. > "This document will ensure that a PDF document will be > rendered as it was created 50 years from now regardless > of the reader used," said Betsy Fanning, director of > standards and content for AIIM, -A contrario, this suggests that present pdf documents could be incorrectly= - rendered -within 50 years, which I agree completely since it was exactly my point. T= -he main -problem with pdf/a is that users of pdf must be convinced of the danger of= - using pdf for -archiving purposes. Otherwise, they will continue to use the version that = -proposes the -largest number of possibilities, and their documents will be sooner or lat= -er rendered +A contrario, this suggests that present pdf documents could be incorrectly rendered +within 50 years, which I agree completely since it was exactly my point. The main +problem with pdf/a is that users of pdf must be convinced of the danger of using pdf for +archiving purposes. Otherwise, they will continue to use the version that proposes the +largest number of possibilities, and their documents will be sooner or later rendered incorrectly. -Best wishes, - -Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr -http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX -ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX -liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr -Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu -"sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOnB4-0000dM-VK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:14:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOnB3-0000dH-KY - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:14:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOnB3-0000d5-1S - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:14:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOnB2-0000d2-Ty - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:14:08 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.181] (helo=web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EOnB2-0006Au-O5 - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:14:08 -0400 -Received: (qmail 99201 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2005 02:14:07 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=RHxsL8wX5KW/opPhiHu9QPbohjEnpiFA7Z8EU9466aHjlllNxewnw7w9h3FrhQcVd3TPJWxlBHIBJxgTh4fZmlGfo6/cAUhAIvI67cEyzKS8h7CBGddOHimQgRFUT1ii2C2ml/fydMPunL1d2dn0M45s+3CTZYw//QBH1lL+xUo= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:14:07 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: PDF/A and pamphlet support on MathAction To: Michel Lavaud, list -Cc: --- Michel Lavaud wrote: @@ -9560,44 +6430,11 @@ older versions of Word and buy new ones to avoid compatibility issues. If it is an issue for pdf some day, all the free tools and renderers can just move to PDF/A and continue as normal, couldn't they? -Confused, -CY - - - - -__________________________________ -Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! -http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOnVx-0007Jn-Fb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:35:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOnVw-0007HW-2d - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:35:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EOnVv-0007HB-KJ - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:35:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOnVv-0007H8-5l - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:35:43 -0400 -Received: from [212.94.174.68] (helo=smtp.cegetel.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EOnVv-0007Gk-2F - for list; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:35:43 -0400 -Received: from bijou (84-4-2-199.adslgp.cegetel.net [84.4.2.199]) - by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D1F59992A - for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:35:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Michel Lavaud To: list Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:40:42 +0200 -Subject: Re: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] - [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] [#210 Pamphlet support on Mat -Priority: normal +Subject: Re: [#210 Pamphlet support on MathAction] Pamphlet support on Mat On 7 Oct 2005 at 21:49, root wrote: @@ -9609,173 +6446,79 @@ On 7 Oct 2005 at 21:49, root wrote: Yes, of course, I was comparing pdf and dvi. -However, I don't agree with you when you say source form, not dvi. In my o= -pinion, it is -necessary that documents be available in both forms, source _and_ dvi. Ind= -eed, the -source form is potentially ambiguous because it can be rendered differentl= -y on -different installations (cf example below). This is a consequence of the f= -act that a -source document in TeX is in fact a computer program. - -On the contrary, a dvi file is not a computer program, it is a sequence of= - instructions -that describe how glyphs are placed on pages, It is the electronic equiva= -lent of a set of -sheets of paper. It is completely freed from any ambiguity that could aris= -e from the -programmatic nature of the source document, and it is rendered the same wa= -y on all -machines. Once it has been checked by the author (as one does with galley = -proofs for -paper articles) it is not necessary to check it anymore. It is unfalsifiab= -le, as a printed -article in a review. - -A simple example : some years ago, a buggy version of a TeX style file for= - French -language, broke the rendering of fractions. As it is possible to include a= -ny set of TeX -commands in a TeX format, this means that any French user who would have i= -ncluded -this file into his formats (to accelerate compilations) would have an inst= -allation that -could display incorrectly some results.Of course, this is a very extreme a= -nd improbable -example, but nothing can rule it out, nor rule out more subtle differences= - between -formats that could make a document rendered differently on different insta= -llations -Another problem with source files : referencing equations is done not by n= -umbers but -by labels, so an author who would want to cite a result of an article coul= -d not use -"Equation number 12 page 32". - -For users (i.e. not the author), source file + dvi file allows double chec= -king. For -authors, source files are the equivalent of the drafts that one writes whe= -n doing -research work, and dvi files are the equivalent of published articles, fo= -r the outer -world. Both are necessary, in my opinion. - -Best wishes, - -Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr -http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX -ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX -liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr -Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu -"sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2ip-0006RJ-5d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2in-0006R7-15 - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2il-0006Qt-FR - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EP2il-0006Qq-DR - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:49:59 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EP2il-0000Rw-JK - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:49:59 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9AIniE7008468; - Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:49:45 -0500 +However, I don't agree with you when you say source form, not dvi. In +my opinion, it is necessary that documents be available in both forms, +source _and_ dvi. Indeed, the source form is potentially ambiguous +because it can be rendered differently on different installations (cf +example below). This is a consequence of the fact that a source +document in TeX is in fact a computer program. + +On the contrary, a dvi file is not a computer program, it is a +sequence of instructions that describe how glyphs are placed on pages, +It is the electronic equivalent of a set of sheets of paper. It is +completely freed from any ambiguity that could arise from the +programmatic nature of the source document, and it is rendered the +same way on all machines. Once it has been checked by the author (as +one does with galley proofs for paper articles) it is not necessary to +check it anymore. It is unfalsifiable, as a printed article in a +review. + +A simple example : some years ago, a buggy version of a TeX style file +for French language, broke the rendering of fractions. As it is +possible to include any set of TeX commands in a TeX format, this +means that any French user who would have included this file into his +formats (to accelerate compilations) would have an installation that +could display incorrectly some results.Of course, this is a very +extreme and improbable example, but nothing can rule it out, nor rule +out more subtle differences between formats that could make a document +rendered differently on different installations Another problem with +source files : referencing equations is done not by numbers but by +labels, so an author who would want to cite a result of an article +could not use "Equation number 12 page 32". + +For users (i.e. not the author), source file + dvi file allows double +checking. For authors, source files are the equivalent of the drafts +that one writes when doing research work, and dvi files are the +equivalent of published articles, for the outer world. Both are +necessary, in my opinion. + +\start From: MathAction (unknown) To: MathAction Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:49:44 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in - the TeXmacs interface - -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- -Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands in the TeXmacs interface (to get a nicely formatted output)? I tried to replace the tm_axiom program with the one that launches axiom or sman instead of AXIOMsys but doing that causes me to press the enter key several times to get the commands accepted and that is really annoying. -I am using a Fedora-3. The problem seems to be in the sman or axiom as when I launch it separately, the same thing occurs--ie, I have to press the enter key several times to get the command accepted. I have used axiom built from the April 2005 sources as well as that from the September 2005 sources and the problem continues. - -Also can the axiom help/reference be lanched from within the TeXmacs as it can be done using MuPAD from TeXmacs. --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20051010134938-0500@www.axiom-developer.org +Subject: [AxiomDownload] Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface +Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands in +the TeXmacs interface (to get a nicely formatted output)? I tried to +replace the tm_axiom program with the one that launches axiom or sman +instead of AXIOMsys but doing that causes me to press the enter key +several times to get the commands accepted and that is really +annoying. I am using a Fedora-3. The problem seems to be in the sman +or axiom as when I launch it separately, the same thing occurs--ie, I +have to press the enter key several times to get the command +accepted. I have used axiom built from the April 2005 sources as well +as that from the September 2005 sources and the problem continues. +Also can the axiom help/reference be lanched from within the TeXmacs +as it can be done using MuPAD from TeXmacs. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2o7-0006qw-7T - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:55:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2o4-0006qk-S5 - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:55:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2o3-0006qV-5p - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:55:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EP2o3-0006qS-35 - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:55:27 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EP2o3-0000jk-74 - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:55:27 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9AItHE7015656; - Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:55:17 -0500 From: MathAction (unknown) To: MathAction Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:55:17 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] RE:Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu - in the TeXmacs interface - -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- -I also face the same problem but on Mandrake Linux. Accessing online help would definately be wonderful idea. I know that Hyperdoc exists for this purpose but the way HyperDoc does this needs a lot of improvement to be useful. --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20051010135510-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - +Subject: [AxiomDownload] RE:Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface +I also face the same problem but on Mandrake Linux. Accessing online +help would definately be wonderful idea. I know that Hyperdoc exists +for this purpose but the way HyperDoc does this needs a lot of +improvement to be useful. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2q0-0007Dv-M2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:57:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2pz-0007Dq-6D - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:57:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2px-0007De-9J - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:57:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EP2px-0007Da-6x - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:57:25 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EP2px-0000qN-DV - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:57:25 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9AIvFE7017899; - Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:57:15 -0500 From: MathAction (root) To: MathAction - (MathAction) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:57:15 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] [AxiomDownload] Hyperdoc and - Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface +Subject: [AxiomDownload] [AxiomDownload] Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- AXIOMsys does direct reads from its terminal. axiom is a script that launches sman (superman). @@ -9788,105 +6531,33 @@ and see if the behavior changes. Tim --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg200510101852.j9AIq9713774@localhost.localdomain - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2v7-0001RB-4z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:02:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2v6-0001R6-BV - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:02:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EP2v4-0001Qr-N6 - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:02:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EP2v4-0001Qo-JA - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:02:42 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EP2v4-0001Nx-43 - for list; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:02:42 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9AJ2XE7024315; - Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:02:33 -0500 From: MathAction (unknown) To: MathAction Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:02:33 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] HyperDoc dows not work with - numpad turned on - -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- -HyperDoc does not take any input if the NmPd key is on. I use KDE/3.3 on a Fedora-3. Is this peculiar to me or is a bug/feature of the HyperDoc :) -Anyway I think its more convinient to enter numbers from the Numeric Kepad --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20051010140232-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - +Subject: [AxiomDownload] HyperDoc dows not work with numpad turned on +HyperDoc does not take any input if the NmPd key is on. I use KDE/3.3 +on a Fedora-3. Is this peculiar to me or is a bug/feature of the +HyperDoc :) Anyway I think its more convinient to enter numbers from +the Numeric Kepad \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPESo-0002VN-Ro - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:22:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPESn-0002Tl-1z - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:22:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPESl-0002SI-7s - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:22:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPESk-0002S7-Sk - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:22:14 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPESk-0005af-OW - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:22:14 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9B7LnE7027014; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:21:50 -0500 From: MathAction (unknown) To: MathAction Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:21:49 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [AxiomDownload] TeXmacs -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- -The problem with starting axiom (or sman) instead of AXIOMsys from TeXmacs is that it writes the prompt twice instead of once when it starts. One can modify tm_axiom.c to wait for two prompts at start-up time. This was done in the old TeXmacs interface with commercial Axiom. - -Is it possible to get rid of the first prompt? Having prompts not preceeding user input is very annoying. - -Andrey - --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20051011022142-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - +The problem with starting axiom (or sman) instead of AXIOMsys from +TeXmacs is that it writes the prompt twice instead of once when it +starts. One can modify tm_axiom.c to wait for two prompts at start-up +time. This was done in the old TeXmacs interface with commercial +Axiom. +Is it possible to get rid of the first prompt? Having prompts not +preceeding user input is very annoying. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPJYK-000112-U7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:48:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPJYJ-00010Y-3S - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:48:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPJYG-000100-WD - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:48:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPJYG-0000zv-Qt - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:48:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EPJYG-0000T2-TJ - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:48:17 -0400 -Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9BCkUeI055687 - for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:46:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:44:09 +0200 To: list @@ -9906,46 +6577,11 @@ and Fedora 4 without success. He wrote: It would be absolutely vital (for me!) that Renaud manages to get a running Axiom. Is the above a known issue? -PLEASE HELP! - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPKUZ-0006xT-7K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:48:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPKUX-0006wr-Jy - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:48:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPKUW-0006vJ-1N - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:48:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPKUV-0006vG-Te - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:48:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.24] (helo=mx-5.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPKUW-0005bW-2A - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:48:28 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-5.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9BDmPT0030344; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:48:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (acs-72-23-21-146.zoominternet.net - [72.23.21.146]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457847F406; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:48:24 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9BDiM314404; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:44:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:44:22 -0400 From: root Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:44:09 +0200) Subject: Re: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora -Cc: list Martin, @@ -9955,43 +6591,11 @@ be set which fixes the problem. Camm Maquire has mentioned this problem. I'll search the email archive to see if I can find the command. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPKcZ-0002sS-5I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:56:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPKcY-0002sN-46 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:56:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPKcW-0002sB-LV - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:56:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPKcW-0002s7-Ds - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:56:44 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.20] (helo=mx-1.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPKcW-00066n-Kz - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:56:44 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-1.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9BDurv3014543; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:56:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (acs-72-23-21-146.zoominternet.net - [72.23.21.146]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AC97F418; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:56:39 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9BDqbw14412; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:52:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:52:37 -0400 From: root Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:44:09 +0200) Subject: Re: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora -Cc: list Martin, @@ -10004,36 +6608,11 @@ so you can try before trying the build and see if that fixes the problem. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPKvc-00016x-CH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:16:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPKvb-00016b-2D - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:16:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPKvY-00015o-VK - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:16:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPKvY-00015j-PO - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:16:24 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPKvY-0007Ry-93 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:16:24 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j9BEFsSh009195; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:16:15 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:15:42 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On October 11, 2005 8:44 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -10080,39 +6659,11 @@ Axiom is know to work on both Fedora Core 3 and 4. If you provide sufficient information I am sure that it will be possible to discouver what is going wrong. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPL7q-0005Eq-T0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:29:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPL7p-0005ER-4G - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:29:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPL7n-0005Dq-Bh - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:29:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPL7n-0005Dm-7x - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPL7m-000071-OV - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j9BESfVV017109; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:28:56 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: Martin Rubey, Tim Daly Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:28:29 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On October 11, 2005 9:53 AM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -10143,41 +6694,12 @@ detect Fedora Core 4 properly. As an interim measure, I think the FC4 pre-installed binary should set the global option in the 'axiom' script. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPLFh-0000MN-N5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:37:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPLFf-0000K4-Q3 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:37:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPLFe-0000Iv-MJ - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:37:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPLFe-0000Io-Ha - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:37:10 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPLFe-0000vy-3b - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:37:10 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9BEb1E7022388; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:37:01 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:37:01 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [AxiomDownload] nicely formatted output -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- Unknown wrote: > Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands @@ -10190,37 +6712,12 @@ by TeXmacs. Could you please describe what effect you would like to achieve in TeXmacs? In what way is the current TeXmacs output not nicely formatted? --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20051011093659-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPMQt-0000Md-63 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:52:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPMQr-0000M7-NQ - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:52:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPMQp-0000La-QC - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:52:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPMQp-0000LW-J3 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:52:47 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPMQp-0007Ci-NR - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:52:47 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j9BFqWIc025590; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:52:41 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:52:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On October 11, 2005 10:28 AM Bill Page wrote: > @@ -10249,42 +6746,12 @@ On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:10:04 -0400 Camm Maquire wrote: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-09/msg00097.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-07/msg00119.html -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPPVS-00041V-QR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:09:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPPVP-0003zN-Mv - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:09:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPPVN-0003xd-Ji - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:09:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPVN-0003xO-CT - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:09:41 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPPVN-0004WU-90 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:09:41 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9BJ9TE7008319; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:09:29 -0500 From: MathAction (Varun) To: MathAction Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:09:29 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] AxiomDownload Hyperdoc and Axiom - Help menu in the TeXmacs interface +Subject: [AxiomDownload] AxiomDownload Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- I've already tried using axiom -noclef but to no help. As per Andrey: One can modify tm_axiom.c to wait for two prompts at start-up time. This was done in the old TeXmacs interface with commercial Axiom. @@ -10294,87 +6761,47 @@ Can someone tell how this can be done or change the tm_axiom and distribute the Any help is welcome. Varun. --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20051011140926-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPPqA-0001qY-CL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:31:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPPq8-0001qA-BU - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:31:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPPq6-0001px-T2 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:31:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPq6-0001pu-Po - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:31:06 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPPq6-0005dk-Rn - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:31:07 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9BJUvE7017098; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:30:57 -0500 From: MathAction (Varun) To: MathAction Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:30:57 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] RE: Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu - in the TeXmacs interface +Subject: [AxiomDownload] RE: Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- Bill Page wrote: >nicely formatted output --Bill Page, Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:36:59 -0500 >reply >Unknown wrote: ->Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands in >the TeXmacs interface (to get a nicely formatted output)? -> ->Axiom hyperdoc is not required to get nicely formatted output in >TeXmacs. AXIOMsys generates Tex/LaTeX output that is processed by >TeXmacs. -What I intended was: Can I use the HyperDoc while still working under TeXmacs and get nicely formatted output. -Sorry for my not being clear. ->Could you please describe what effect you would like to achieve in >TeXmacs? In what way is the current TeXmacs output not nicely >formatted? +>Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands in + >the TeXmacs interface (to get a nicely formatted output)? -There are a lot of things that can be improved in TeXmacs. First of all an online reference would certainely help a lot (those who are Turbo C IDE fans would know this)--one just presses some hot key and gets more information on the command he wishes to use and is not so sure about. He can get some examples on how to use the system, just fill in some entries and get the command output without having to learn hundreds of functions. This would be most beneficial to users new to axiom and to those who have just started to use Computer Algebra Systems. Not only that, this I think would save time of those users who are just using the 'interactive' axiom and not programming with it. --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20051011143056-0500@www.axiom-developer.org +>Axiom hyperdoc is not required to get nicely formatted output in +>TeXmacs. AXIOMsys generates Tex/LaTeX output that is processed by +>TeXmacs. What I intended was: Can I use the HyperDoc while still +working under TeXmacs and get nicely formatted output. Sorry for my +not being clear. +>Could you please describe what effect you would like to achieve in + >TeXmacs? In what way is the current TeXmacs output not nicely + >formatted? +There are a lot of things that can be improved in TeXmacs. First of +all an online reference would certainely help a lot (those who are +Turbo C IDE fans would know this)--one just presses some hot key and +gets more information on the command he wishes to use and is not so +sure about. He can get some examples on how to use the system, just +fill in some entries and get the command output without having to +learn hundreds of functions. This would be most beneficial to users +new to axiom and to those who have just started to use Computer +Algebra Systems. Not only that, this I think would save time of those +users who are just using the 'interactive' axiom and not programming +with it. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPRNP-0000tO-6D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:09:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPRNM-0000t3-Mw - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:09:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPRNL-0000sr-Fp - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:09:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPRNL-0000so-CV - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:09:31 -0400 -Received: from [132.227.60.2] (helo=isis.lip6.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPRNK-0003de-OW - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:09:31 -0400 -Received: from calfor.lip6.fr (calfor.lip6.fr [132.227.66.193]) - by isis.lip6.fr (8.13.1/jtpda-5.4+victor) with ESMTP id j9BL9OtN029261 - for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:09:24 +0200 -Received: from slogin-calfor.lip6.fr (slogin-calfor.lip6.fr [132.227.66.2]) - by calfor.lip6.fr (8.13.4/jtpda-5.4+victor) with ESMTP id - j9BL9Jka028038 ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:09:19 +0200 To: list Subject: Re: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora From: Renaud.Rioboo@lip6.fr Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:10:33 +0200 - (isis.lip6.fr [132.227.60.2]); - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:09:24 +0200 (CEST) - --=-=-= Dear Axiom gurus, @@ -10448,60 +6875,26 @@ mnt.o(.text+0x392): In function `emitfile': mnt.c: warning: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp' make[1]: [install-shell] Error 1 (ignored) make[1]: [install-code] Error 1 (ignored) -texhash: Updating /root/.texmf-config/ls-R...=20 -texhash: Updating /root/.texmf-var/ls-R...=20 -texhash: Updating /usr/share/texmf/ls-R...=20 -texhash: Updating /usr/share/texmf-config/ls-R...=20 -texhash: Updating /usr/share/texmf-var/ls-R...=20 -texhash: Updating /var/lib/texmf/ls-R...=20 +texhash: Updating /root/.texmf-config/ls-R... +texhash: Updating /root/.texmf-var/ls-R... +texhash: Updating /usr/share/texmf/ls-R... +texhash: Updating /usr/share/texmf-config/ls-R... +texhash: Updating /usr/share/texmf-var/ls-R... +texhash: Updating /var/lib/texmf/ls-R... texhash: Done. make[1]: [install-elisp] Error 1 (ignored) -0 SPAD=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux SYS=3Dlinux = -SPD=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom LSP=3D/usr/local/Install/= -OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp GCLDIR=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom= -/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7 SRC=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src = -INT=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int OBJ=3D/usr/local/Inst= -all/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj MNT=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxio= -m/axiom/mnt ZIPS=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/zips TMP=3D/= -usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/tmp SPADBIN=3D/usr/local/Ins= -tall/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin INC=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAx= -iom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/include CCLBASE=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAx= -iom/axiom/obj/linux/ccl/ccllisp PART=3Dcprogs SUBPART=3Deverything NOISE=3D= --o /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/tmp/trace GCLVERSION=3Dg= -cl-2.6.7 TANGLE=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin= -/lib/notangle VERSION=3DAxiom 3.9 (September 2005) PATCH=3Dpatch DOCUMENT= -=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/document -10 copying /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts to /usr/= -local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin -1 making a linux system, PART=3Dcprogs SUBPART=3Deverything -2 Environment SPAD=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux = -SYS=3Dlinux SPD=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom LSP=3D/usr/lo= -cal/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp GCLDIR=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAx= -iom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7 SRC=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxio= -m/axiom/src INT=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int OBJ=3D/us= -r/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj MNT=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenA= -xiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt ZIPS=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/= -zips TMP=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/tmp SPADBIN=3D/u= -sr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin INC=3D/usr/local/In= -stall/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/include CCLBASE=3D/usr/local/Install/Ope= -nAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/ccl/ccllisp PART=3Dcprogs SUBPART=3Deveryth= -ing NOISE=3D-o /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/tmp/trace GC= -LVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.7 TANGLE=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/m= -nt/linux/bin/lib/notangle VERSION=3DAxiom 3.9 (September 2005) PATCH=3Dpatc= -h DOCUMENT=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/docu= -ment +0 SPAD=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux SYS=linux SPD=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom LSP=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp GCLDIR=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7 SRC=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src INT=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int OBJ=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj MNT=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt ZIPS=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/zips TMP=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/tmp SPADBIN=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin INC=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/include CCLBASE=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/ccl/ccllisp PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything NOISE=-o /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/tmp/trace GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.7 TANGLE=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/lib/notangle VERSION=Axiom 3.9 (September 2005) PATCH=patch DOCUMENT=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/document +10 copying /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts to /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin +1 making a linux system, PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything +2 Environment SPAD=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux SYS=linux SPD=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom LSP=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp GCLDIR=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7 SRC=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src INT=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int OBJ=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj MNT=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt ZIPS=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/zips TMP=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/tmp SPADBIN=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin INC=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/include CCLBASE=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/ccl/ccllisp PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything NOISE=-o /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/tmp/trace GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.7 TANGLE=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/lib/notangle VERSION=Axiom 3.9 (September 2005) PATCH=patch DOCUMENT=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/document This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) entering extended mode (./Makefile.tex LaTeX2e <2003/12/01> -Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerma= -n, b -ahasa, basque, bulgarian, catalan, croatian, czech, danish, dutch, esperant= -o, e -stonian, finnish, greek, icelandic, irish, italian, latin, magyar, norsk, p= -olis -h, portuges, romanian, russian, serbian, slovak, slovene, spanish, swedish,= - tur +Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, b +ahasa, basque, bulgarian, catalan, croatian, czech, danish, dutch, esperanto, e +stonian, finnish, greek, icelandic, irish, italian, latin, magyar, norsk, polis +h, portuges, romanian, russian, serbian, slovak, slovene, spanish, swedish, tur kish, ukrainian, nohyphenation, loaded. 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Rerun to get cross-references right. ) (see the transcript file for additional information) @@ -10534,29 +6924,23 @@ This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) entering extended mode (./Makefile.tex LaTeX2e <2003/12/01> -Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerma= -n, b -ahasa, basque, bulgarian, catalan, croatian, czech, danish, dutch, esperant= -o, e -stonian, finnish, greek, icelandic, irish, italian, latin, magyar, norsk, p= -olis -h, portuges, romanian, russian, serbian, slovak, slovene, spanish, swedish,= - tur +Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, b +ahasa, basque, bulgarian, catalan, croatian, czech, danish, dutch, esperanto, e +stonian, finnish, greek, icelandic, irish, italian, latin, magyar, norsk, polis +h, portuges, romanian, russian, serbian, slovak, slovene, spanish, swedish, tur kish, ukrainian, nohyphenation, loaded. (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 2004/02/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX document class (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo)) (./src/scripts/tex/axiom.sty) (./Makefile.aux) [1] (./Makefile.toc [2]) [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] Overfull \hbox (34.22025pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 281--284 -[]\OT1/cmr/m/n/10 The \OT1/cmtt/m/n/10 DOCUMENT \OT1/cmr/m/n/10 vari-able i= -s no +[]\OT1/cmr/m/n/10 The \OT1/cmtt/m/n/10 DOCUMENT \OT1/cmr/m/n/10 vari-able is no w set to re-place the di-rect call to the \OT1/cmtt/m/n/10 $SPADBIN/document [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] Overfull \hbox (83.99927pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 1050--1050 - []\OT1/cmtt/m/n/10 CCF=3D"-O2 -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOUR= -CE -D$ -{PLF} -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include"[]=20=20 + []\OT1/cmtt/m/n/10 CCF="-O2 -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -D$ +{PLF} -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include"[] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] (./Makefile.aux) ) (see the transcript file for additional information) @@ -10564,243 +6948,104 @@ Output written on Makefile.dvi (53 pages, 101616 bytes). Transcript written on Makefile.log. make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom' 11 checking directory structure -12 Environment: PLF=3DLINUXplatform CCF=3D-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D= -_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=3D-L/usr/X11R6/lib CC=3D= -gcc AWK=3Dgawk RANLIB=3Dranlib TOUCH=3Dtouch TAR=3Dtar AXIOMXLROOT=3D/usr/l= -ocal/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=3Do BYE=3Dbye LI= -SP=3Dlsp DAASE=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/share XLIB= -=3D/usr/X11R6/lib GCLOPTS=3D--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd -= --enable-maxpage=3D128*1024 SRCDIRS=3Dbootdir interpdir sharedir algebradir = -etcdir clefdir docdir graphdir smandir hyperdir inputdir PATCH=3Dpatch -16 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/Makefile from /us= -r/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/Makefile.pamphlet +12 Environment: PLF=LINUXplatform CCF=-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=-L/usr/X11R6/lib CC=gcc AWK=gawk RANLIB=ranlib TOUCH=touch TAR=tar AXIOMXLROOT=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=o BYE=bye LISP=lsp DAASE=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/share XLIB=/usr/X11R6/lib GCLOPTS=--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd --enable-maxpage=128*1024 SRCDIRS=bootdir interpdir sharedir algebradir etcdir clefdir docdir graphdir smandir hyperdir inputdir PATCH=patch +16 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/Makefile from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/Makefile.pamphlet 18 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src -make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/sr= -c' -2 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts/Makefile f= -rom /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts/Makefile.pamphl= -et +make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src' +2 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts/Makefile from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts/Makefile.pamphlet 1 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts -make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/sr= -c/scripts' +make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts' 1 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts -make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src= -/scripts' -18 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/Makefile from= - /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet +make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts' +18 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/Makefile from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet 17 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib -make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/sr= -c/lib' -1 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/bsdsignal.c fr= -om /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet -2 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/bsdsigna= -l.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/bsdsignal.c -9 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/cursor.c from = -/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/cursor.c.pamphlet -10 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/cursor.= -o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/cursor.c -13 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/edin.c from /= -usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/edin.c.pamphlet -14 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/edin.o = -from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/edin.c -17 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/fnct_key.c fr= -om /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/fnct_key.c.pamphlet -18 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/fnct_ke= -y.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/fnct_key.c -21 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/halloc.c from= - /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/halloc.c.pamphlet -22 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/halloc.= -o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/halloc.c -29 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/openpty.c fro= -m /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/openpty.c.pamphlet -30 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/openpty= -.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/openpty.c -33 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/pixmap.c from= - 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/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/spadcol= -ors.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c -/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c: In functi= -on =E2=80=98HSVtoRGB=E2=80=99: -/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c:73: warnin= -g: =E2=80=98rgb.b=E2=80=99 may be used uninitialized in this function -/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c:73: warnin= -g: =E2=80=98rgb.g=E2=80=99 may be used uninitialized in this function -/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c:73: warnin= -g: =E2=80=98rgb.r=E2=80=99 may be used uninitialized in this function -/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c: In functi= -on =E2=80=98AllocCells=E2=80=99: -/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c:573: warni= -ng: =E2=80=98xcolor.pixel=E2=80=99 is used uninitialized in this function -49 making 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making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/hash.c from /= -usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/hash.c.pamphlet -26 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/hash.o = -from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/hash.c -11 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/axiom= -.sty from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/doc/axiom.sty.pam= -phlet -3 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/bsdsig= -nal.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/bsdsigna= -l.c.pamphlet -4 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/= -bsdsignal.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/sr= -c/lib/bsdsignal.c.dvi -7 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/cfuns-= -c.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.= -pamphlet -8 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/= -cfuns-c.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/= -lib/cfuns-c.c.dvi -11 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/curso= -r.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/cursor.c.p= -amphlet -12 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/cursor.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/= -lib/cursor.c.dvi -15 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/edin.= -c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/edin.c.pamph= -let -16 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/edin.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/li= -b/edin.c.dvi -19 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/fnct_= -key.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/fnct_key= -.c.pamphlet -20 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/fnct_key.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/sr= -c/lib/fnct_key.c.dvi -23 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/hallo= -c.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/halloc.c.p= -amphlet -24 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/halloc.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/= -lib/halloc.c.dvi -27 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/hash.= -c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/hash.c.pamph= -let -28 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/hash.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/li= -b/hash.c.dvi -31 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/openp= -ty.c.dvi from 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-o-c.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/sockio-c= -.c.pamphlet -44 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/sockio-c.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/sr= -c/lib/sockio-c.c.dvi -71 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/Makefile.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/Make= -file.dvi -47 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/spadc= -olors.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/spadco= -lors.c.pamphlet -48 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/spadcolors.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/= -src/lib/spadcolors.c.dvi -51 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/util.= -c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/util.c.pamph= -let -52 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/util.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/li= -b/util.c.dvi -55 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/wct.c= -.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/wct.c.pamphlet -56 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/wct.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib= -/wct.c.dvi -59 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/XDith= -er.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/XDither.c= -.pamphlet -60 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/XDither.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src= -/lib/XDither.c.dvi -63 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/XShad= -e.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/XShade.c.p= -amphlet -64 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/XShade.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/= -lib/XShade.c.dvi -67 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/XSpad= -Fill.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/XSpadFi= -ll.c.pamphlet -68 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib= -/XSpadFill.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/s= -rc/lib/XSpadFill.c.dvi +make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib' +1 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/bsdsignal.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet +2 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/bsdsignal.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/bsdsignal.c +9 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/cursor.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/cursor.c.pamphlet +10 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/cursor.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/cursor.c +13 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/edin.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/edin.c.pamphlet +14 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/edin.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/edin.c +17 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/fnct_key.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/fnct_key.c.pamphlet +18 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/fnct_key.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/fnct_key.c +21 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/halloc.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/halloc.c.pamphlet +22 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/halloc.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/halloc.c +29 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/openpty.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/openpty.c.pamphlet +30 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/openpty.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/openpty.c +33 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/pixmap.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/pixmap.c.pamphlet +34 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/pixmap.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/pixmap.c +37 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/prt.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/prt.c.pamphlet +38 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/prt.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/prt.c +41 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/sockio-c.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/sockio-c.c.pamphlet +42 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/sockio-c.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/sockio-c.c +45 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/spadcolors.c.pamphlet +46 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/spadcolors.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c +/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c: In function =E2=80=98HSVtoRGB=E2=80=99: +/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c:73: warning: =E2=80=98rgb.b=E2=80=99 may be used uninitialized in this function +/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c:73: warning: =E2=80=98rgb.g=E2=80=99 may be used uninitialized in this function +/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c:73: warning: =E2=80=98rgb.r=E2=80=99 may be used uninitialized in this function +/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c: In function =E2=80=98AllocCells=E2=80=99: +/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/spadcolors.c:573: warning: =E2=80=98xcolor.pixel=E2=80=99 is used uninitialized in this function +49 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/util.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/util.c.pamphlet +50 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/util.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/util.c +53 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/wct.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/wct.c.pamphlet +54 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/wct.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/wct.c +57 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/XDither.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/XDither.c.pamphlet +58 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/XDither.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/XDither.c +61 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/XShade.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/XShade.c.pamphlet +62 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/XShade.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/XShade.c +65 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/XSpadFill.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/XSpadFill.c.pamphlet +66 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/XSpadFill.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/XSpadFill.c +73 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/libspad.a +ar: creating /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/libspad.a +5 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/cfuns-c.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet +6 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/cfuns-c.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/cfuns-c.c +25 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/hash.c from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/hash.c.pamphlet +26 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lib/hash.o from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/lib/hash.c +11 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/axiom.sty from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/doc/axiom.sty.pamphlet +3 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet +4 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.dvi +7 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet +8 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/cfuns-c.c.dvi +11 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/cursor.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/cursor.c.pamphlet +12 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/cursor.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/cursor.c.dvi +15 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/edin.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/edin.c.pamphlet +16 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/edin.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/edin.c.dvi +19 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/fnct_key.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/fnct_key.c.pamphlet +20 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/fnct_key.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/fnct_key.c.dvi +23 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/halloc.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/halloc.c.pamphlet +24 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/halloc.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/halloc.c.dvi +27 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/hash.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/hash.c.pamphlet +28 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/hash.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/hash.c.dvi +31 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/openpty.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/openpty.c.pamphlet +32 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/openpty.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/openpty.c.dvi +35 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/pixmap.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/pixmap.c.pamphlet +36 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/pixmap.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/pixmap.c.dvi +39 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/prt.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/prt.c.pamphlet +40 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/prt.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/prt.c.dvi +43 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/sockio-c.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/sockio-c.c.pamphlet +44 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/sockio-c.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/sockio-c.c.dvi +71 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/Makefile.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/Makefile.dvi +47 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/spadcolors.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/spadcolors.c.pamphlet +48 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/spadcolors.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/spadcolors.c.dvi +51 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/util.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/util.c.pamphlet +52 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/util.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/util.c.dvi +55 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/wct.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/wct.c.pamphlet +56 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/wct.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/wct.c.dvi +59 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/XDither.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/XDither.c.pamphlet +60 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/XDither.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/XDither.c.dvi +63 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/XShade.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/XShade.c.pamphlet +64 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/XShade.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/XShade.c.dvi +67 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/XSpadFill.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib/XSpadFill.c.pamphlet +68 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/src/lib/XSpadFill.c.dvi from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/int/doc/src/lib/XSpadFill.c.dvi 72 finished making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib -make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src= -/lib' +make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/lib' make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src' -0 PLF=3DLINUXplatform CCF=3D-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -D= -LINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=3D-L/usr/X11R6/lib CC=3Dgcc AWK=3Dgawk= - RANLIB=3Dranlib TOUCH=3Dtouch TAR=3Dtar AXIOMXLROOT=3D/usr/local/Install/O= -penAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=3Do BYE=3Dbye LISP=3Dlsp DAASE= -=3D/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/share XLIB=3D/usr/X11R6/= -lib GCLOPTS=3D--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd --enable-maxpag= -e=3D128*1024 SRCDIRS=3Dbootdir interpdir sharedir algebradir etcdir clefdir= - docdir graphdir smandir hyperdir inputdir PATCH=3Dpatch -10 copying /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts to /usr/= -local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin -20 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/Makefile from /us= -r/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/Makefile.pamphlet +0 PLF=LINUXplatform CCF=-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=-L/usr/X11R6/lib CC=gcc AWK=gawk RANLIB=ranlib TOUCH=touch TAR=tar AXIOMXLROOT=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=o BYE=bye LISP=lsp DAASE=/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/share XLIB=/usr/X11R6/lib GCLOPTS=--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd --enable-maxpage=128*1024 SRCDIRS=bootdir interpdir sharedir algebradir etcdir clefdir docdir graphdir smandir hyperdir inputdir PATCH=patch +10 copying /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/src/scripts to /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux/bin +20 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/Makefile from /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/Makefile.pamphlet 19 making /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp -make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/ls= -p' +make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp' 2 building gcl-2.6.7 3 applying EXTRAS patch to h/linux.defs patching file linux.defs @@ -10813,15 +7058,12 @@ patching file init_gcl.lsp.in patching file gcl_cmpflet.lsp 12 applying tail-recursive noise patch patching file gcl_cmpcall.lsp -26 copy gcl_collectfn.lsp to /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/ob= -j/linux/lsp/collectfn.lsp -27 copy sys-proclaim.lisp to /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/ob= -j/linux/lsp/sys-proclaim.lisp +26 copy gcl_collectfn.lsp to /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lsp/collectfn.lsp +27 copy sys-proclaim.lisp to /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/obj/linux/lsp/sys-proclaim.lisp creating cache ./config.cache checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu -host=3Di686-pc-linux-gnu -enable_machine=3D -use=3D386-linux +host=i686-pc-linux-gnu +enable_machineuse=386-linux checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no @@ -10829,16 +7071,14 @@ checking whether we are using GNU C... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for gawk... gawk -checking system version (for dynamic loading)... checking for makeinfo... m= -akeinfo +checking system version (for dynamic loading)... checking for makeinfo... makeinfo Linux-2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 checking for unistd.h... yes checking for sysconf in -lc... yes checking for _SC_CLK_TCK... 100 checking for gmp.h... yes checking for __gmpz_init in -lgmp... yes -checking for external gmp version... checking for leading underscore in obj= -ect symbols... no +checking for external gmp version... checking for leading underscore in object symbols... no checking for GNU ld option -Map... yes checking for size of gmp limbs... 4 checking _SHORT_LIMB... no @@ -10872,34 +7112,24 @@ checking for sbrk... yes checking for randomized sbrk... yes checking for randomized brk remedy... no Cannot build with randomized sbrk -make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/ls= -p/gcl-2.6.7' +make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7' rm -f bin/gcl xbin/gcl -MGCLDIR=3D`echo /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7 |= - sed -e 'sX^\([a-z]\):X/\1Xg'` ; \ -GCLDIR=3D`echo /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7` ;= - \ -make install-command "INSTALL_LIB_DIR=3D$GCLDIR" "prefix=3D$GCLDIR" "BINDIR= -=3D$MGCLDIR/unixport" -make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/ls= -p/gcl-2.6.7' +MGCLDIR=`echo /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7 | sed -e 'sX^\([a-z]\):X/\1Xg'` ; \ +GCLDIR=`echo /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7` ; \ +make install-command "INSTALL_LIB_DIR=$GCLDIR" "prefix=$GCLDIR" "BINDIR=$MGCLDIR/unixport" +make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7' rm -f /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gcl (echo '#!/bin/sh' ; \ -echo exec /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/unixpor= -t/ \\ ; \ -echo ' -dir' /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/un= -ixport/ \\ ; \ -echo ' -libdir' /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7= -/ \\ ; \ +echo exec /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/ \\ ; \ +echo ' -dir' /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/ \\ ; \ +echo ' -libdir' /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/ \\ ; \ echo ' -eval '\''(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)'\' \\ ;\ ! [ -d "" ] || echo ' -eval '\''(setq si::*tk-library* '\"\"')'\' \\;\ -echo ' '\"\$@\" ) > /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl= --2.6.7/bin/gcl; -echo '#' other options: -load "/tmp/foo.o" -load "jo.lsp" -eval '"(joe 3)"'= - >> /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gcl +echo ' '\"\$@\" ) > /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gcl; +echo '#' other options: -load "/tmp/foo.o" -load "jo.lsp" -eval '"(joe 3)"' >> /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gcl chmod a+x /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gcl rm -f /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gclm.bat -if gcc --version | grep mingw >/dev/null 2>&1 ; then (echo '@SET cd=3D'; \ +if gcc --version | grep mingw >/dev/null 2>&1 ; then (echo '@SET cd='; \ echo '@SET promp%prompt%'; \ echo '@PROMPT SET cd'; \ echo '@CALL>%temp%.\setdir.bat'; \ @@ -10908,36 +7138,24 @@ if gcc --version | grep mingw >/dev/null 2>&1 ; then (echo '@SET cd=3D'; \ echo '@ECHO off'; \ echo 'PROMPT %promp'; \ echo 'FOR %%c IN (CALL DEL) DO %%c %temp%.\setdir.bat'; \ - echo 'set cwd=3D%cd%'; \ - echo 'set libdir=3D%cd%\..\lib\gcl-`cat majvers`.`cat minvers`'; \ - echo 'set unixportdir=3D%libdir%\unixport'; \ + echo 'set cwd=%cd%'; \ + echo 'set libdir=%cd%\..\lib\gcl-`cat majvers`.`cat minvers`'; \ + echo 'set unixportdir=%libdir%\unixport'; \ echo 'path %cd%\..\mingw\bin;%PATH%'; \ - echo "start %unixportdir%\.exe -dir %unixportdir% -libdir %libdir% -eval \= -"(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)\" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9" ) > /usr/l= -ocal/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gclm.bat ; fi -rm -f /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gclfina= -l.bat -if gcc --version | grep -i mingw >/dev/null 2>&1 ; then (echo 'ECHO path %1= -\mingw\bin;%PATH% > gcli.bat'; \ - echo "ECHO start %1\lib\gcl-`cat majvers`.`cat minvers`\unixport\.exe -dir= - %1\lib\gcl-`cat majvers`.`cat minvers`\unixport -libdir %1\lib\gcl-`cat ma= -jvers`.`cat minvers` -eval \"(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)\" %1 %2 %3 %= -4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 >> gcli.bat" ) > /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axi= -om/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gclfinal.bat ; fi -make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp= -/gcl-2.6.7' + echo "start %unixportdir%\.exe -dir %unixportdir% -libdir %libdir% -eval \"(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)\" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9" ) > /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gclm.bat ; fi +rm -f /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gclfinal.bat +if gcc --version | grep -i mingw >/dev/null 2>&1 ; then (echo 'ECHO path %1\mingw\bin;%PATH% > gcli.bat'; \ + echo "ECHO start %1\lib\gcl-`cat majvers`.`cat minvers`\unixport\.exe -dir %1\lib\gcl-`cat majvers`.`cat minvers`\unixport -libdir %1\lib\gcl-`cat majvers`.`cat minvers` -eval \"(setq si::*allow-gzipped-file* t)\" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 >> gcli.bat" ) > /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/bin/gclfinal.bat ; fi +make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7' (cd xbin ; cp ../bin/gcl .) cd cmpnew && make gcl_collectfn.o -make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/ls= -p/gcl-2.6.7/cmpnew' +make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/cmpnew' ../unixport/saved_pre_gcl ../unixport/ -compile gcl_collectfn.lsp make[4]: ../unixport/saved_pre_gcl: Command not found make[4]: *** [gcl_collectfn.o] Error 127 -make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp= -/gcl-2.6.7/cmpnew' +make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/cmpnew' make[3]: *** [cmpnew/gcl_collectfn.o] Error 2 -make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp= -/gcl-2.6.7' +make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp/gcl-2.6.7' /bin/sh: unixport/saved_gcl: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [gcldir] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom/lsp' @@ -10945,44 +7163,17 @@ make[1]: *** [lspdir] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/CvsAxiom/axiom' make: *** [all] Error 2 ---=-=-= - +--=-=- Thank you for any help. Renaud ---=-=-=-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPWzn-0006hN-1j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:09:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPWzl-0006gQ-P9 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:09:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPWzk-0006et-6F - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:09:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPWzk-0006eq-44 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:09:32 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPWzk-0006p9-1H - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:09:32 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) - by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - j9C38mbi022695; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:09:09 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page To: Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:08:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Renaud, @@ -11090,145 +7281,60 @@ time real soon now ... ;) Please let me know if this helps. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPX6J-0007yq-HG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:16:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPX6H-0007wv-KE - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:16:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPX6F-0007w5-OH - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:16:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPX6F-0007w2-Ju - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:16:15 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPX6F-0007A3-IG - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:16:15 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9C3FxE7016429; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:15:59 -0500 -From: MathAction (Bill Page) -To: MathAction -Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:15:59 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] - -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- - ---removed: -- --From unknown Mon Sep 12 12:42:27 -0500 2005 --From: unknown --Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:42:27 -0500 --Subject: Graphics does not work under the TeXmacs 1.0.5 interface --Message-ID: <20050912124227-0500@page.axiom-developer.org> -- --Under linux with TeXmacs, the graphics doesn't appear at all. Just the message indicating the type is shown. --I even followed the instructions on the FAQ and changed the AXIOMsys to axiom and even sman. But if I do that though HyperDoc appears, I have to press return several times(may be upto 7 times) before the answer appears on the texmacs interface. Just blank lines with the red axiom prompt keep on appearing. -- - -??changed: --From unknown Mon Oct 10 13:49:38 -0500 2005 --From: unknown --Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:49:38 -0500 --Subject: Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface --Message-ID: <20051010134938-0500@www.axiom-developer.org> -- --Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands in the TeXmacs interface (to get a nicely formatted output)? I tried to replace the tm_axiom program with the one that launches axiom or sman instead of AXIOMsys but doing that causes me to press the enter key several times to get the commands accepted and that is really annoying. --I am using a Fedora-3. The problem seems to be in the sman or axiom as when I launch it separately, the same thing occurs--ie, I have to press the enter key several times to get the command accepted. I have used axiom built from the April 2005 sources as well as that from the September 2005 sources and the problem continues. -- --Also can the axiom help/reference be lanched from within the TeXmacs as it can be done using MuPAD from TeXmacs. -- --From unknown Mon Oct 10 13:55:10 -0500 2005 --From: unknown --Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:55:10 -0500 --Subject: RE:Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface --Message-ID: <20051010135510-0500@www.axiom-developer.org> --In-Reply-To: <20051010134938-0500@www.axiom-developer.org> -- --I also face the same problem but on Mandrake Linux. Accessing online help would definately be wonderful idea. I know that Hyperdoc exists for this purpose but the way HyperDoc does this needs a lot of improvement to be useful. --[96 more lines...] - - --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20051011221559-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPX8G-0008Gl-Ol - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:18:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPX8E-0008GX-Ry - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:18:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPX8E-0008GL-A4 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:18:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPX8E-0008GI-81 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:18:18 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPX8E-0007Fc-34 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:18:18 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9C3I4E7017101; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:18:04 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:18:04 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [TeXmacs] discussion of TeXmacs interface moved -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/TeXmacs/diff --- - ---removed: -- - -++added: - >From unknown Mon Sep 12 12:42:27 -0500 2005 From: unknown Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:42:27 -0500 Subject: Graphics does not work under the TeXmacs 1.0.5 interface -Under linux with TeXmacs, the graphics doesn't appear at all. Just the message indicating the type is shown. -I even followed the instructions on the FAQ and changed the AXIOMsys to axiom and even sman. But if I do that though HyperDoc appears, I have to press return several times(may be upto 7 times) before the answer appears on the texmacs interface. Just blank lines with the red axiom prompt keep on appearing. +Under linux with TeXmacs, the graphics doesn't appear at all. Just the +message indicating the type is shown. I even followed the +instructions on the FAQ and changed the AXIOMsys to axiom and even +sman. But if I do that though HyperDoc appears, I have to press return +several times(may be upto 7 times) before the answer appears on the +texmacs interface. Just blank lines with the red axiom prompt keep on +appearing. >From unknown Mon Oct 10 13:49:38 -0500 2005 From: unknown Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:49:38 -0500 Subject: Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface -Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands in the TeXmacs interface (to get a nicely formatted output)? I tried to replace the tm_axiom program with the one that launches axiom or sman instead of AXIOMsys but doing that causes me to press the enter key several times to get the commands accepted and that is really annoying. -I am using a Fedora-3. The problem seems to be in the sman or axiom as when I launch it separately, the same thing occurs--ie, I have to press the enter key several times to get the command accepted. I have used axiom built from the April 2005 sources as well as that from the September 2005 sources and the problem continues. +Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands in +the TeXmacs interface (to get a nicely formatted output)? I tried to +replace the tm_axiom program with the one that launches axiom or sman +instead of AXIOMsys but doing that causes me to press the enter key +several times to get the commands accepted and that is really +annoying. -Also can the axiom help/reference be lanched from within the TeXmacs as it can be done using MuPAD from TeXmacs. +I am using a Fedora-3. The problem seems to be in the sman or axiom as +when I launch it separately, the same thing occurs--ie, I have to +press the enter key several times to get the command accepted. I have +used axiom built from the April 2005 sources as well as that from the +September 2005 sources and the problem continues. + +Also can the axiom help/reference be lanched from within the TeXmacs +as it can be done using MuPAD from TeXmacs. >From unknown Mon Oct 10 13:55:10 -0500 2005 From: unknown Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:55:10 -0500 Subject: RE:Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface -I also face the same problem but on Mandrake Linux. Accessing online help would definately be wonderful idea. I know that Hyperdoc exists for this purpose but the way HyperDoc does this needs a lot of improvement to be useful. +I also face the same problem but on Mandrake Linux. Accessing online +help would definately be wonderful idea. I know that Hyperdoc exists +for this purpose but the way HyperDoc does this needs a lot of +improvement to be useful. >From root Mon Oct 10 13:57:15 -0500 2005 From: root Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:57:15 -0500 -Subject: [AxiomDownload] Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface +Subject: [AxiomDownload] Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface (MathAction) AXIOMsys does direct reads from its terminal. @@ -11305,49 +7411,38 @@ Subject: RE: Hyperdoc and Axiom Help menu in the TeXmacs interface Bill Page wrote: >nicely formatted output --Bill Page, Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:36:59 -0500 >reply >Unknown wrote: ->Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands in >the TeXmacs interface (to get a nicely formatted output)? -> ->Axiom hyperdoc is not required to get nicely formatted output in >TeXmacs. AXIOMsys generates Tex/LaTeX output that is processed by >TeXmacs. -What I intended was: Can I use the HyperDoc while still working under TeXmacs and get nicely formatted output. -Sorry for my not being clear. ->Could you please describe what effect you would like to achieve in >TeXmacs? In what way is the current TeXmacs output not nicely >formatted? +>Is there a possibility of using the hyperdoc type in the commands in + >the TeXmacs interface (to get a nicely formatted output)? -There are a lot of things that can be improved in TeXmacs. First of all an online reference would certainely help a lot (those who are Turbo C IDE fans would know this)--one just presses some hot key and gets more information on the command he wishes to use and is not so sure about. He can get some examples on how to use the system, just fill in some entries and get the command output without having to learn hundreds of functions. This would be most beneficial to users new to axiom and to those who have just started to use Computer Algebra Systems. Not only that, this I think would save time of those users who are just using the 'interactive' axiom and not programming with it. - --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/TeXmacs#msg20051011221804-0500@www.axiom-developer.org +>Axiom hyperdoc is not required to get nicely formatted output in +>TeXmacs. AXIOMsys generates Tex/LaTeX output that is processed by +>TeXmacs. What I intended was: Can I use the HyperDoc while still +working under TeXmacs and get nicely formatted output. Sorry for my +not being clear. +>Could you please describe what effect you would like to achieve in + >TeXmacs? In what way is the current TeXmacs output not nicely + >formatted? +There are a lot of things that can be improved in TeXmacs. First of +all an online reference would certainely help a lot (those who are +Turbo C IDE fans would know this)--one just presses some hot key and +gets more information on the command he wishes to use and is not so +sure about. He can get some examples on how to use the system, just +fill in some entries and get the command output without having to +learn hundreds of functions. This would be most beneficial to users +new to axiom and to those who have just started to use Computer +Algebra Systems. Not only that, this I think would save time of those +users who are just using the 'interactive' axiom and not programming +with it. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPXGi-0001SH-L4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:27:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPXGh-0001RW-3T - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:27:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPXGf-0001Q0-JP - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:27:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPXGf-0001Ps-G8 - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:27:01 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPXGf-0007ba-GI - for list; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:27:01 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9C3QlE7020883; - Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:26:47 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:26:47 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [TeXmacs] TeXmacs interface improvements -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/TeXmacs/diff --- Yes, I agree that TeXmacs has great potential as an graphical user interface for Axiom (and many other computer algebra packages as well). In principle it should be possible to implement almost all @@ -11361,92 +7456,14 @@ is Andrey G. Grozin. See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-08/msg00229.html - --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/TeXmacs#msg20051011222646-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPcWd-0005LJ-LP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:03:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPcWM-0005Kl-Jh - for list; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:03:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPcW9-0005Jr-TO - for list; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:03:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPcPG-0005Bp-QX - for list; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 04:56:20 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPcPG-0007bZ-Ke - for list; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 04:56:14 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9C8tvE7028511; - Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:55:57 -0500 From: MathAction (kratt6) To: MathAction Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:55:57 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#216 terminating condition for 'nextSubsetGray' - incorrectly documented] +Subject: [#216 terminating condition for 'nextSubsetGray' incorrectly documented] -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/216TerminatingConditionForNextSubsetGrayIncorrectlyDocumented/diff --- - -++added: perman.spad.pamphlet.patch --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/216TerminatingConditionForNextSubsetGrayIncorrectlyDocumented#msg20051012035557-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPclR-0006Am-PN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:19:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPcfv-0005ot-G3 - for list; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:13:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EPceZ-0005jW-Bg - for list; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:12:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPcPi-0005C1-2j - for list; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 04:56:43 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPcPi-0007cl-4o - for list; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 04:56:42 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9C8uOE7028652; - Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:56:24 -0500 -From: MathAction (kratt6) -To: MathAction -Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:56:24 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#216 terminating condition for 'nextSubsetGray' - incorrectly documented] - -Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/216TerminatingConditionForNextSubsetGrayIncorrectlyDocumented/diff --- - ---removed: --perman.spad.pamphlet.patch -- - ---removed: -- - --- -forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/216TerminatingConditionForNextSubsetGrayIncorrectlyDocumented#msg20051012035624-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - \start Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EPcmQ-0006VP-W7 @@ -11632,43 +7649,37 @@ Thank you all for your help concerning the install of axiom under recent Fedora versions. It seems that Fedora enabled a kernel feature which randomizes memory for -security reasons and this is causing problems to run/build axiom. I used = -two +security reasons and this is causing problems to run/build axiom. I used two machines to test. rr@roamrr->uname -a -Linux roamrr.rioboo.org 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 #1 Wed Sep 28 19:15:10 EDT 2005= - i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux +Linux roamrr.rioboo.org 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 #1 Wed Sep 28 19:15:10 EDT 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux rr@gate->uname -a -Linux gate.rioboo.org 2.6.12-1.1378_FC3 #1 Wed Sep 14 04:24:31 EDT 2005 i= -686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux +Linux gate.rioboo.org 2.6.12-1.1378_FC3 #1 Wed Sep 14 04:24:31 EDT 2005 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux -I Checked out the content of=20 +I Checked out the content of rr@roamrr->cat /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space 1 -If I turn off this by issuing=20 +If I turn off this by issuing echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space -I can run the preinstalled version for FC3 and FC4 and compile the Cvs ve= -rsion +I can run the preinstalled version for FC3 and FC4 and compile the Cvs version correctly. This has however the inconvenient that the feature is globally -turned off for the whole system.=20 +turned off for the whole system. In FC4 there is a setarch command which disables randomization on a per process basis. I was not able to find a way to find an equivalent under FC3. Thus in FC4 -rr@roamrr->setenv AXIOM /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/PrecompiledAxiom/axi= -om/mnt/linux -rr@roamrr->set path =3D ( $AXIOM/bin $path) +rr@roamrr->setenv AXIOM /usr/local/Install/OpenAxiom/PrecompiledAxiom/axiom/mnt/linux +rr@roamrr->set path = ( $AXIOM/bin $path) rr@roamrr->setarch `arch` -R axiom -works correctly with the advantage that you can run this without requirin= -g a +works correctly with the advantage that you can run this without requiring a global modification. You can also compile the Cvs version of axiom by issuing @@ -12614,13 +8625,13 @@ Cc: list On Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:28 PM Camm Maguire wrote: > ... -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > I don't know much about Debian, but I understand that there is > > some utility for accessing Debian products on "alien" linuxes. > > Has anyone tried using this approach to install Axiom on other > > platforms? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > The alien program can convert the .deb to a .rpm, which should > save everyone a lot of work I'd think. One can even unpack a > tarball from the deb -- details on request. @@ -12818,55 +8829,55 @@ Cc: list On Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:35 PM Camm Maguire wrote: > Bill Page wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > First I go here -> >=20 +> > > > http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ -> >=20 -> > to download and install the 'alien' program from 'Latest=20 +> > +> > to download and install the 'alien' program from 'Latest > source code' -> >=20 +> > > > Then I visit -> >=20 +> > > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/math/axiom -> >=20 +> > > > click on i386, choose a mirror and download the *.deb file -> >=20 +> > > > I become root and then run -> >=20 +> > > > # alien --to-rpm axiom_20050901-2_i386.deb -> >=20 +> > > > It gives me some warnings about omitting "scripts": -> >=20 +> > > > Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package axiom: postinst > > postrm > > Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts. > > axiom-20050901-3.i386.rpm generated -> >=20 +> > > > Should I have used the --scripts parameter? -> >=20 +> > > > Now I can try a test run: -> >=20 +> > > > # rpm -ihv --test axiom-20050901-3.i386.rpm -> >=20 +> > > > It tells me: -> >=20 +> > > > error: Failed dependencies: > > libreadline.so.5 is needed by axiom-20050901-3 -> >=20 +> > > > -------- -> >=20 +> > > > Hmmm... I guess this sort of is working :) but where to go from > > here? Should I continue to try to satisfy a dependencies like > > libreadline.so.5 from Debian binaries? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I agree this appears to be working. You can either continue > converting from the debs (all of which are listed on the Debian > package webpage), or you can grab the libs from your distribution > using whatever method they use. libreadline, libncurses, and > libgmp3 should be all the unusual libs you need. ->=20 +> Cool! @@ -12907,7 +8918,7 @@ I exit from root and type: [page@axiom-developer page]$ /usr/bin/axiom -Et voil=E0!=20 +Et voil=E0! --------- GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.6.7 CLtL1 Sep 29 2005 18:04:31 @@ -13335,53 +9346,53 @@ Greetings! Bill Page writes: > Cool! ->=20 +> > I probably have libgmp3 already installed for other reasons > so that dependency is already satisfied. ->=20 +> > Now I continued as follows: ->=20 +> > On page http://packages.debian.org/unstable/math/axiom > I clicked the 'libreadline5' dependency, chose a mirror and > downloaded ->=20 +> > libreadline5_5.0-11_i386.deb ->=20 +> > I ran ->=20 +> > # alien --to-rpm libreadline5_5.0-11_i386.deb ->=20 +> > and then ->=20 +> > # rpm -ihv libreadline5_5.0-11_i386.rpm ->=20 +> > I also notice from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/math/axiom > that 'axiom-databases' is a dependency so I click, and download ->=20 +> > axiom-databases_20050901-2_all.deb ->=20 +> > and run ->=20 +> > # alien --to-rpm axiom-databases_20050901-2_all.deb > # rpm -ihv axiom-databases_20050901-2_all.rpm ->=20 +> > Finally (with a momemt's hesitation ...) I actually run ->=20 +> > # rpm -ihv axiom-20050901-3.i386.rpm ->=20 +> > I exit from root and type: ->=20 +> > [page@axiom-developer page]$ /usr/bin/axiom ->=20 -> Et voil=E0!=20 +> +> Et voil=E0! > --------- ->=20 +> > GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.6.7 CLtL1 Sep 29 2005 18:04:31 > Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd) > Binary License: GPL due to GPL'ed components: (READLINE BFD UNEXEC) > Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible license > Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter ->=20 +> > Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. > AXIOM Computer Algebra System > Version: Axiom 3.9 (September 2005) @@ -13391,17 +9402,17 @@ Bill Page writes: > Issue )summary for a summary of useful system commands. > Issue )quit to leave AXIOM and return to shell. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ->=20 +> > (1) -> D(sin x,x) > Loading /usr/lib/axiom-20050901/algebra/EXPR.o for domain Expression > ... ->=20 +> > (1) cos(x) > Type: Expression Integer ->=20 +> > ------ > Amazingly easy! I love Debian - even Debian on non-Debian linux. :-) ->=20 +> Glad to hear you are pleased. I am too -- I think the system in general is quite well designed. And what keeps it running is open @@ -13409,37 +9420,37 @@ source licensing -- i.e. everyone sharing the fruits of each others' efforts. If aldor can ever meet this standard, I would be happy to try to do the same for it, though I understand securing such permission might be difficult. BTW, what language is aldor written -in?=20 +in? -Take care,=20 +Take care, > Of course this is just command line Axiom, but I presume that > I could continue like this and install the rest of Axiom, ->=20 +> > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/math/axiom-graphics > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/math/axiom-hypertex ->=20 +> > Even better now I have set of 'rpm' files that I can include on > the AxiomDownload page on the Axiom wiki and then anyone with an > 'rpm-style' linux should be able to just downlaod and install these > rpm's as if they were native. ->=20 +> > Simply wonderful technology. :-)) ->=20 +> > If anyone else can confirm that this works for them, then > I will add an appropriate section to the AxiomDownload page. ->=20 +> > Regards, > Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 +> +> +> ---=20 +-- Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +======================== "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah @@ -13606,7 +9617,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -13651,12 +9662,12 @@ To: Camm Maguire Cc: list On Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:46 AM Camm Maguire wrote: ->=20 +> > Do I take it that this entails making lisp functions with the > following names in some appropriate package with the functionality > of the C code listed adjacent to them?: ->=20 -> setup_type const om_setup[] =3D { +> +> setup_type const om_setup[] = { > /* LISP Name */ /* Unary */ =09 > /* Binary */ /* Nary */ > {"om-openFileDev", wrong_no_3a, =09 @@ -14102,9 +10113,9 @@ To: "Brian Kennedy" Cc: list On Friday, October 14, 2005 12:46 AM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 +> > Brian Kennedy wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > If you could find a commercial system that needed a CAS > > at its core, AND was willing to fund development of a > > free CAS rather than developing yet-another-CAS on its @@ -14118,7 +10129,7 @@ course we need to be clear on licensing issues, but I do not see this as a problem so long as the CAS itself remains free. -> >=20 +> > > > Two big drawbacks to just building on the free Axiom > > code: > > 1) I'm sure there will be a huge learning curve in @@ -14147,7 +10158,7 @@ to improve the interaction with TeXmacs. And there is some interest in MathML. -> >=20 +> > > > ... Via MathML cut n' paste, they'll be able to use any of > > the "3M's" to do that. @@ -14155,7 +10166,7 @@ It is my hope that MathML (and/or OpenMath) will lead to this sort of flexibility but I fear that the world is still not so simple and straight-forward. ->=20 +> > There has been some discussion of MathML and Axiom. When > Axiom was a commercial product the interface used to work. > The library is still there but has not been re-integrated. @@ -14168,7 +10179,7 @@ together (i.e. writing the lisp bindings for the OpenMath library), there is likely still some significant work to do to complete the implementation. -> >=20 +> > > > Would there be any interest from the Axiom developers > > in working with a commercial software company to develop > > out some functionality to make Axiom usable as a core to @@ -14187,7 +10198,7 @@ On the other hand, I am confident that an open but funded project would generate quite a lot of interest if our recent positive experience with the Google Summer of Code project is any guide. -=20 + > ... > If you wanted to sponsor someone to work on MathML or any > other well-defined task that could probably be arranged. @@ -14196,9 +10207,9 @@ project is any guide. Yes, I think that is a good approach. ->=20 -> >=20 -> > More specifically, is there interest in adding the=20 +> +> > +> > More specifically, is there interest in adding the > following to Axiom: > > 1) Support for units (somewhat like Maple has)? @@ -14539,13 +10550,13 @@ From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Cc: list -Martin,=20 +Martin, On Friday, October 14, 2005 4:58 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > I intend to send the following text to the lisp newsgroup > today afternoon. Comments welcome. ->=20 +> > ... I think this attempt to interest people who read the lisp @@ -14751,7 +10762,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -15796,7 +11807,7 @@ Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FHuBO8015903; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:56:28 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Eitan Gurari'" , +To: "'Eitan Gurari'" Eitan Gurari, "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:56:09 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -16284,73 +12295,73 @@ Regards, Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Martin Rubey [mailto:Martin Rubey]=20 +> From: Martin Rubey [mailto:Martin Rubey] > Sent: October 16, 2005 3:02 AM > To: bill page > Subject: Wiki not accessible ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Dear Bill, ->=20 +> > the wiki seems to be unaccessible since yesterday evening. The host -> page.axiom-developer.org seems to be working,=20 +> page.axiom-developer.org seems to be working, > wiki.axiom-developer.org does > not... ->=20 -> BTW, I had a look at the usage statistics. Do you know what=20 +> +> BTW, I had a look at the usage statistics. Do you know what > happened on Oktober 14? 43% of all downloads happened on this > day... ->=20 +> > Martin ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > -----Original Message----- -> From:=20 -> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=3Dsynthesis.anikast.ca@nongnu -> .org=20 +> From: +> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=synthesis.anikast.ca@nongnu +> .org > a@nongnu.org] On Behalf Of Vanuxem Gr=E9gory > Sent: October 16, 2005 12:10 PM > To: Axiom-Developer -> Subject: proxy error=20 +> Subject: proxy error > athttp://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Hi, ->=20 +> > In an attempt to join http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage > I received ->=20 +> > Proxy Error > The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. > The proxy server could not handle the request GET /FrontPage. ->=20 +> > Reason: Error reading from remote server ->=20 -> Additionally, a 502 Bad Gateway error was encountered while=20 +> +> Additionally, a 502 Bad Gateway error was encountered while > trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ---- ->=20 +> > Apache/2.0.40 Server at wiki.axiom-developer.org Port 80 ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Cheers, ->=20 +> > Greg ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 +> +> +> +> > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 ->=20 +> +> @@ -17437,7 +13448,7 @@ Peter > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer @@ -17895,13 +13906,13 @@ Take care, > > > _______________________________________________ > > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> > list > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -18204,7 +14215,7 @@ productions) that routinely parses thousands of lines of > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -18398,13 +14409,13 @@ Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Peter Broadbery On Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:25 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > | Although Aldor is still not open source ->=20 +> > Is there a hope that it will ever be? I think there is still a good chance that Aldor will be licensed @@ -18421,11 +14432,11 @@ argument. I understand that he is busy with other research (aren't we all?) and I don't mean that we should harass him in anyway about this, but I do think that it is important that he understands that the availability of Aldor as open source matters to more than just -a few people.=20 +a few people. > If not, what are the odds of creating a freely available compiler > that accepts Aldor programs? ->=20 +> Unless a major workforce of several knowledgeable compiler writers step forward who know lisp and have experience with SPAD in Axiom, @@ -18621,13 +14632,13 @@ Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Peter Broadbery On Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:43 PM Gaby wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> > | ... Aldor is a complex very high level language - not so > | different from Haskell or Ocaml and it certainly took a major > | effort to implement usable compilers for those languages. ->=20 +> > Indeed. But the positive side of it is that those are now part > of common knowledge and it is not like everything has to be > rediscovered over again. We have more foresight -- based on @@ -18637,7 +14648,7 @@ On Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:43 PM Gaby wrote: > will be valuable for implementing Aldor. So, while I agree > with your points, we must also keep in fore that one would not > start totally "clueless"... ->=20 +> I agree. In fact to take best advantage of this knowledge, perhaps we might seriously consider the possibility of writing "new Aldor" @@ -18884,7 +14895,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -19400,7 +15411,7 @@ Take care, > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > @@ -19445,14 +15456,14 @@ To: Camm Maguire Cc: list On Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:15 PM Camm Maguire wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: -> >=20 +> > > > In fact to take best advantage of this knowledge, perhaps we > > might seriously consider the possibility of writing "new Aldor" > > in a language like Ocaml. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > Can't believe this thread has come full circle like this! Wow. Perhaps I should have written my previous comment with a ;) because @@ -19485,7 +15496,7 @@ docs, Ocaml compiles to either to an architecuture independent "byte code" or to "machine code" on a particular hardware. I wonder if there is still some "lisp" in there somewhere? ->=20 +> > I still remain confused on a point though -- I thought there > was a reliable translator from aldor to spad and vice versa? @@ -19495,7 +15506,7 @@ it to compile with Aldor. > Why do we need to reimplement an aldor compiler, rather than > provide spad with the missing abilities? ->=20 +> Right now, quite aside from some missing language features, I think that programmig in SPAD is a major pain compared to programming in @@ -19560,18 +15571,18 @@ To: Camm Maguire Cc: list On Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:21 PM Camm Maguire wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: -> >=20 +> > > > I think it would help if some of the other subscribers to the > > axiom-developer list were to contact Steven Watt and make a > > similar argument. I understand that he is busy with other > > research (aren't we all?) and I don't mean that we should harass > > him in anyway about this, but I do think that it is important > > that he understands that the availability of Aldor as open source -> > matters to more than just a few people.=20 -> >=20 ->=20 +> > matters to more than just a few people. +> > +> > Always best if it pans out. OK, perhaps you can share his > contact info? @@ -19698,12 +15709,12 @@ Cc: list On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:40 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote: -> > > I still think however that even improving SPAD will not=20 +> > > I still think however that even improving SPAD will not > > > be easy. It will require rather deep knowledge of the > > > largely undocumented legacy code that currently implements > > > SPAD in Axiom. ->=20 -> We will need this knowledge anyway to understand the=20 +> +> We will need this knowledge anyway to understand the > interpreter, I guess. > @@ -19712,12 +15723,12 @@ as is obviously since Aldor is able to substitute for SPAD. But I agree that a deep knowledge of the interpreter is also required for other reasons, e.g. incorporating some of the Aldor extensions. -=20 -> > > It is notable I think, that the original Axiom=20 + +> > > It is notable I think, that the original Axiom > > > developers chose to re-implement SPAD as Aldor > > > (written in C) rather than continue to make > > > improvements to SPAD. ->=20 +> > I'm absolutely certain that the reason for this was rather > a political than a technical one. > @@ -20375,9 +16386,9 @@ To: Martin Rubey, Cc: list On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:02 AM Martin Rubey wrote: ->=20 +> > Christian Aistleitner writes: ->=20 +> > > I wrote that parser almost 1.5 years ago (I guess). I still > > have it on some Backup if someone is interested. It was > > implemented in Aldor. I could parse all source files I tested. @@ -20386,21 +16397,21 @@ An Aldor parser written in Aldor?! I did not receive the rest of the background of this email, but it certainly sounds interesting. Could you forward a copy to the email list? ->=20 -> This is great news! I suppose, however, that it parses only=20 +> +> This is great news! I suppose, however, that it parses only > the nopile syntax, doesn't it? -> =20 +> > > However, the code is more or less worthless, as it is _not_ -> > properly documented.=20 ->=20 +> > properly documented. +> > I disagree slightly :-) > I disagree completely. I think an Aldor parser written in Aldor is would be very worthwhile. If you make it available on the web, then we can help document it. -=20 -> > Nevertheless, the parser is as far as I remember complete.=20 + +> > Nevertheless, the parser is as far as I remember complete. > > But if one does not want to restrict oneself to implementing > > the compiler in Aldor, I guess you'd be better off with some > > compiler compiler. @@ -20409,7 +16420,7 @@ web, then we can help document it. I think that it has value in any case as a rigorous definition of the grammar. And Aldor is close to SPAD, so it is not out the question to port this code to SPAD. -=20 + > Am I correct that Aldor is able to compile to lisp? Yes. This is already used in the Aldor/Axiom integration. @@ -20423,7 +16434,7 @@ to be very easy to maintain as primary source and if we can't get rid of the Aldor dependence then there doesn't seem to be much point. ->=20 +> > In fact, I know nearly nothing about compilers and interpreters. > So maybe somebody could detail here the bits and pieces needed > to morph the current Spad compiler and interpreter of Axiom into @@ -20439,11 +16450,11 @@ It includes "a formal account of the semantics and type system of Aldor". There formal semantics are the kind of specification on which the code generation must be based. ->=20 -> As far as I understand, one "problem" is that the Axiom=20 +> +> As far as I understand, one "problem" is that the Axiom > interpreter knows quite a bit about the Algebra, to do it's > type inference, which is a "must have"... ->=20 +> I don't think that this is a problem, per se. @@ -20491,14 +16502,14 @@ To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list, Peter Broadbery On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:09 AM Gaby wrote: ->=20 +> > My current work on designing and implementing a general, > efficient, scalable, complete representation of ISO C++ (with > concepts) in C++ has led me to look at the materials on proof > techniques in Axiom. I've read claims that Type:Type is > inconsistent with types-as-propositions stance. I'm curious > to learn how the type/proof techniques in Aldor would get -> away with that.=20 +> away with that. > I think this is a very interesting question. It relates also @@ -20547,10 +16558,10 @@ Types as values Alternatively, using Aldor's notation for lambda, polyid : (T:Type)->T->T -=3D=3D (T:Type)(t:T):T +-> t; +== (T:Type)(t:T):T +-> t; idType : Type -> Type -=3D=3D (T:Type):Type +-> T; +== (T:Type):Type +-> T; In Aldor, (lambda x:A.b) is written as (x:A):B +-> b @@ -20560,13 +16571,13 @@ Impredicativity and Type:Type The type of the polymorphic identity is a type -PolyidType : Type =3D=3D (T:Type)->T -> T; +PolyidType : Type == (T:Type)->T -> T; In fact, Type is a type -MyType : Type =3D=3D Type; -MyTypeArrowType : Type =3D=3D Type -> Type; -MyType2 : Type =3D=3D (polyid Type) Type ; +MyType : Type == Type; +MyTypeArrowType : Type == Type -> Type; +MyType2 : Type == (polyid Type) Type ; Warning: application associates to the right! @@ -20583,9 +16594,9 @@ But having defined the function tt2 in Aldor like this: #include "axiom.as"; testtype2(): with { tt2: (Integer) -> Type; -} =3D=3D add { - tt2(x:Integer):Type =3D=3D { - x=3D0 =3D> Integer; +} == add { + tt2(x:Integer):Type == { + x=0 => Integer; Float; } } @@ -20727,21 +16738,21 @@ From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Cc: list -Hi Tim!=20 +Hi Tim! On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:32 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > I'm in the debugsys image chasing a few things and came > across this interesting variable. In an axiom image type: ->=20 +> > )lisp (setq |$reportInstantiations| t) > I believe that flag is controlled by the Axiom command: )set message instant on/off -=20 -> ...=20 + +> ... > I'm not sure how useful you'll find that information but > it's useful to know you can get it. @@ -20750,7 +16761,7 @@ Agreed! > I'm writing a chapter on debugging in book 4 of the axiom > volumes which will contain this and other debugging tips, > techniques and useful tidbits. ->=20 +> Gee, that reminds me of our plans long ago to publish hardcopies of these volumes on www.lulu.com . I haven't @@ -21099,10 +17110,10 @@ To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly Cc: list On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:28 PM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > One comment - the algebra volume could wind up containing a really > really large amount of data. Perhaps after 5, 6, and 7 have been -> tackled we should look at breaking down the algebra into more=20 +> tackled we should look at breaking down the algebra into more > manageable chunks? I agree completely. At something like 10,000 pages I seriously @@ -21119,11 +17130,11 @@ quite selective - at least at first. Lulu is "print on demand" so creating material is no problem - just extra work with perhaps little payoff. ->=20 +> > Awesome! So a set of printed volumes of Axiom books would not > be simply a document but actually define the entire system, in > all its detail, from implementation to mathematics to user -> interface!=20 +> interface! But this will never work. Paper is just too awkward a media to maintain a "crystal" system of this size. Of course I am just @@ -21139,7 +17150,7 @@ can solve the problem of really *collaborating* over the Internet. Useless in my opinion unless it can be made to be very easily accessible online. ->=20 +> > Just curious - are you talking about the auto-install CDs like > Mathematica has that you just pop in the disk and it starts up > the install wizard? @@ -21211,18 +17222,18 @@ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:56:29 -0400 Thread-Topic: tex4ht and jsmath Thread-Index: AcXRswXwHSwZBb6qR22RybsCp+JRYADcql9A From: Bill Page -To: "Eitan Gurari" +To: "Eitan Gurari" Eitan Gurari Cc: list Subject: RE: tex4ht and jsmath -Eitan,=20 +Eitan, On Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:05 PM you wrote: > Bill Page wrote: > > If I were to attempt to change the mathml.4ht config file > > myself can you suggest some documentation/tutorial to get me > > started quickly? ->=20 +> > Take a look at the literate source tex4ht-mathml.tex of > mathml.4ht, available at the bugfixes distribution branch. @@ -21399,10 +17410,10 @@ Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (gurari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) Received: (from gurari@localhost) by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j9K5awAx016643; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:36:58 -0400 (EDT) -From: Eitan Gurari +From: Eitan Gurari Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:36:58 -0400 To: Bill Page -Cc: gurari@cse.ohio-state.edu, list +Cc: Eitan Gurari, list Subject: RE: tex4ht and jsmath @@ -22114,27 +18125,27 @@ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:29:31 -0400 Thread-Topic: tex4ht and jsmath Thread-Index: AcXVUGSlsUY2FHRGTti/M4m8v4vQ0Q== From: Bill Page -To: "Eitan Gurari" +To: "Eitan Gurari" Eitan Gurari Cc: list Subject: RE: tex4ht and jsmath Eitan On Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:37 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > I'll provide a jsmath mode. Probably during the winter break. > Maybe before that. Thanks! ->=20 +> > > But our "acid test" - a pamphlet file called > > 'dhmatrix.spad.pamphlet', which can be processed by dvipdfm > > to a good quality pdf file - fails quite miserably with many -> > oddly placed MathML tags ... :(=20 ->=20 +> > oddly placed MathML tags ... :( +> > I got the xhtml+mathml code: ->=20 +> > http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/temp/ax.xml > http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/temp/ax.pdf > @@ -22144,16 +18155,16 @@ Very Nice! - By far the best MathML result I have seen so far! But maybe it's a bit shocking though that the MathML result is nearly twice the size of the pdf file. :( Well, I guess I knew that MathML was verbose ... -=20 + > Some visual problems need to be corrected, in particular for > \eqno. I think that's a macro in axiom.sty? ->=20 +> > I made the following modifications to get the above outcome. ->=20 -> * Removed the=20 +> +> * Removed the > <<....>> > ... > @ @@ -22167,11 +18178,11 @@ noweave will also generate some extra LaTeX coding that will be inserted before processing by 'latex'. > * Fixed in mathml.4ht ->=20 +> > \T<\a:mathml mtr> ->=20 +> > into ->=20 +> > \Tg<\a:mathml mtr> > @@ -22186,16 +18197,16 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/src/algebra/fspace.spad where I found many occurrences of ... with improper start and end tags. Does that also happen to you? -> * Added {\csname HCode\endcsname{}} before ^ in the following=20 +> * Added {\csname HCode\endcsname{}} before ^ in the following > three formulas ->=20 -> ${^{HAND}{\bf tv}}_{\bf x}$,=20 -> ${^{HAND}{\bf tv}}_{\bf y}$,=20 -> ${^{HAND}{\bf tv}}_{\bf z}$.=20 -> $${\bf Rot(k,\theta)} =3D {\bf Rot(^C{\bf=20 -> z},\theta)}\eqno(1.60)$$=20 -> -> As far as TeX is concerned, in all of the cases a base {}=20 +> +> ${^{HAND}{\bf tv}}_{\bf x}$, +> ${^{HAND}{\bf tv}}_{\bf y}$, +> ${^{HAND}{\bf tv}}_{\bf z}$. +> $${\bf Rot(k,\theta)} = {\bf Rot(^C{\bf +> z},\theta)}\eqno(1.60)$$ +> +> As far as TeX is concerned, in all of the cases a base {} > should have been included. TeX4ht in many occasions has > problems with empty bases because they don't show in the dvi > code. @@ -22207,19 +18218,19 @@ Ah I see, like this ${{}^{HANB} ... $ What does this code do? (Do I need to know? :) It looks very contrived as a synonym for {}. -> coordinate frames & {\bf I}, {\bf A}, {\bf CONV}\\=20 -> \end{tabular}\\=20 -> ...=20 +> coordinate frames & {\bf I}, {\bf A}, {\bf CONV}\\ +> \end{tabular}\\ +> ... > The extra \\ at the end is also inappropriate for LaTeX. ->=20 +> > Well, garbage in garbage out ;-) ->=20 -> Wrong way to introduce text: $${\rm {or\ as\ \ \ }} ... $$=20 -> Wrong way to introduce=20 -> functions (sin, cos): sin \theta & cos \theta & 0 & 0\cr=20 +> +> Wrong way to introduce text: $${\rm {or\ as\ \ \ }} ... $$ +> Wrong way to introduce +> functions (sin, cos): sin \theta & cos \theta & 0 & 0\cr > Wrong way to emphasize math: {\bf x} > etc...... ->=20 +> Well, please define "wrong way" - latex and dvipdfm swallowed all that with out a complaint. I will agree that the contents of the @@ -22270,11 +18281,11 @@ From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Cc: list -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:24 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 -> There is much work to be done and I have no time estimate.=20 +> ... +> There is much work to be done and I have no time estimate. > Documentation is vital and good documentation takes much > longer than anyone expects. @@ -22288,7 +18299,7 @@ I think. Sounds good to me. ->=20 +> > We can try putting the volumes online. Provided they still > retain their pamphlet format (ie latex) I think it's a > reasonable idea. @@ -22327,24 +18338,24 @@ Please let me know what you think of this approach. > like structured text, html, or other non-latex information > in the files. Those are fine for the wiki but not for the > system files, of which the book volumes are the cornerstone -> in my mind.=20 +> in my mind. I agree. ->=20 +> > Vol 5: Categories, Domains, and Package Internals > Vol 6: The compiler > Vol 7: The interpreter > Vol 8: The algebra -> ...=20 +> ... > The system would be built from the books. > Great. -=20 + > Eventually modifying Axiom becomes a job of authoring or > editing a section of one of the volumes. ->=20 +> > I have a bit of machinery already (due to David Mentre) > that extends the pamphlet idea to "booklets". etc. > We can create our own protocols as needed. @@ -22363,14 +18374,14 @@ documentation; and allowing fast and efficient navigation, multiple "crystal" views of the same pages in different contexts etc. -> >=20 +> > > > I wonder if there is anyone out there who would like to take > > on the task to prepare such a CD? I could help but I don't > > want to lead the effort. ->=20 +> > I can look into the installable CDRom issue. > I've already built iso images for ISSAC. ->=20 +> Well, as usual you are pretty busy and your time might best be spent other ways but ... Anyway, lets try to plan to get it out @@ -22521,7 +18532,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) From: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:45:22 +0200 To: Bill Page -Cc: Eitan Gurari , list +Cc: Eitan Gurari, list Subject: RE: tex4ht and jsmath Dear Bill, Dear Eitan, @@ -23108,7 +19119,7 @@ Cc: Camm Maguire, list Subject: Ocaml, Coq, and ACL2 On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:52 AM C Y wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > With apologies to Camm, there is one sense in which arriving at > ocaml is neither full circle nor unattractive, and that is the > coq theorem prover. If there is indeed serious interest in @@ -23142,7 +19153,7 @@ some Axiom code should an author wish to do that. I am definitely interested by lack time right now to do anything serious. -> ...=20 +> ... > I know the interest in this topic is spotty, but this is the > time and place to raise the question - if we DO want to be > able to back Axiom with formal provers, what are the design @@ -23224,29 +19235,29 @@ Martin Vanuxem Gr=E9gory writes: > Hi, - >=20 + > > I don't know if it's false but in FramedNonAssociativeAlgebraFunctio= ns2 - >=20 - > Implementation =3D=3D> add - > map(fn : R -> S, u : AR): AS =3D=3D - > rank()$AR > rank()$AS =3D> error("map: ranks of algebras do = + > + > Implementation ==> add + > map(fn : R -> S, u : AR): AS == + > rank()$AR > rank()$AS => error("map: ranks of algebras do = not fit") - > vr : V R :=3D coordinates u - > vs : V S :=3D map(fn,vr)$VectorFunctions2(R,S) - > rank()$AR =3D rank()$AR =3D> represents(vs)$AS - > ba :=3D basis()$AS + > vr : V R := coordinates u + > vs : V S := map(fn,vr)$VectorFunctions2(R,S) + > rank()$AR = rank()$AR => represents(vs)$AS + > ba := basis()$AS > represents(vs,[ba.i for i in 1..rank()$AR]) - >=20 - >=20 - > rank()$AR =3D rank()$AR =3D> represents(vs)$AS - >=20 + > + > + > rank()$AR = rank()$AR => represents(vs)$AS + > > has may be to be changed to: - >=20 - > rank()$AR =3D rank()$AS =3D> represents(vs)$AS - >=20 + > + > rank()$AR = rank()$AS => represents(vs)$AS + > > Cheers, - >=20 + > > Greg @@ -23481,22 +19492,22 @@ e. > > I don't know if it's false but in FramedNonAssociativeAlgebraFunctio= ns2 > > -> > Implementation =3D=3D> add -> > map(fn : R -> S, u : AR): AS =3D=3D -> > rank()$AR > rank()$AS =3D> error("map: ranks of algebras +> > Implementation ==> add +> > map(fn : R -> S, u : AR): AS == +> > rank()$AR > rank()$AS => error("map: ranks of algebras > do not fit") -> > vr : V R :=3D coordinates u -> > vs : V S :=3D map(fn,vr)$VectorFunctions2(R,S) -> > rank()$AR =3D rank()$AR =3D> represents(vs)$AS -> > ba :=3D basis()$AS +> > vr : V R := coordinates u +> > vs : V S := map(fn,vr)$VectorFunctions2(R,S) +> > rank()$AR = rank()$AR => represents(vs)$AS +> > ba := basis()$AS > > represents(vs,[ba.i for i in 1..rank()$AR]) > > > > -> > rank()$AR =3D rank()$AR =3D> represents(vs)$AS +> > rank()$AR = rank()$AR => represents(vs)$AS > > > > has may be to be changed to: > > -> > rank()$AR =3D rank()$AS =3D> represents(vs)$AS +> > rank()$AR = rank()$AS => represents(vs)$AS > > > > Cheers, > > @@ -23762,7 +19773,7 @@ Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (gurari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) Received: (from gurari@localhost) by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j9KGYR5Z022601; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:34:27 -0400 (EDT) -From: Eitan Gurari +From: Eitan Gurari Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:34:27 -0400 To: Bill Page Cc: list @@ -23918,7 +19929,7 @@ On Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:00 AM you wrote: and also to reduce the amount of time required to make patches to Axiom. ->=20 +> > There are still a lot of "quality" tasks that go on behind the > scenes. I document changes, update the CHANGELOG, rebuild from > scratch, hand check the test case output, cross-build on various @@ -23946,15 +19957,15 @@ take the time to write documentation about the changes they are making. HI think having the Axiom pamphlet source on-line and visible should help to encourage developers to do this. ->=20 +> > We need to think about ways to merge a web-based changes to the -> official archive. How do you see this happening? Would it be=20 -> possible to do a=20 ->=20 +> official archive. How do you see this happening? Would it be +> possible to do a +> > diff -Naur archive.version web.version >web.version.patch ->=20 +> > for changed files? The "diff -Naur old new" is my primary tool. ->=20 +> What I have in mind is for updates of the Axiom source on MathAction to be mirrored in a separate tla branch archive @@ -24006,7 +20017,7 @@ Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (gurari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) Received: (from gurari@localhost) by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j9KGoDJI022670; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:50:13 -0400 (EDT) -From: Eitan Gurari +From: Eitan Gurari Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:50:13 -0400 To: Martin Rubey <17239.26418.29269.195477@seam101.local> @@ -24087,7 +20098,7 @@ To: "Bob McElrath" Cc: list On Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:25 PM Bob McElrath wrote: ->=20 +> > A few (very obvious) directions for future work...I wish I had more > time... > 1) HTML instead of images @@ -24114,7 +20125,7 @@ a display option along with 'dvi' and 'pdf'. Yes! Please, someone start to do this ASAP. -> 3) Disable comments on these pages. (Or, organize them=20 +> 3) Disable comments on these pages. (Or, organize them > differently...we surely don't want to be appending comments > to the source code!) @@ -24149,7 +20160,7 @@ format these will remain invisible to the extracted source code and to the rendered documentation. But as time permits it will be possible for pamphlet editors to easily review these comments and either discard them or incorporate them -into the pamphlet source. =20 +into the pamphlet source. To me, this seemed like "the best of both worlds". :) @@ -24185,17 +20196,17 @@ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:45:09 -0400 Thread-Topic: tex4ht and jsmath Thread-Index: AcXVlCugaGtArDjvRTiDx/MCnqM30AACCwCQ From: Bill Page -To: "Eitan Gurari" +To: "Eitan Gurari" Eitan Gurari Cc: list Subject: RE: tex4ht and jsmath On Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:34 PM Eitan Gurari wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > > > Some visual problems need to be corrected, in particular > > > for \eqno. -> >=20 +> > > > I think that's a macro in axiom.sty? ->=20 +> > No, it is a primitive instruction of TeX. > @@ -24208,13 +20219,13 @@ better LaTeX. His immediate motivation is to better support tools like TeXmacs. Will tex4ht convert any of these legacy codes? -=20 ->=20 + +> > > When you have time, could you also look at the result of > > processing the 'tex' from the following page: -> >=20 +> > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/src/algebra/fspace.spad ->=20 +> > Can you provide me a pointer to axiom.sty (and the other required > files?). The fspace file consists just of noweb macros. No direct > math there. Any math that comes into play there is through the @@ -24228,10 +20239,10 @@ All the files required to build Axiom from source should be part of this source tree on the Axiom wiki. If you notice anything else missing, please let me know. ->=20 -> > > * Added {\csname HCode\endcsname{}} before ^ in the following=20 +> +> > > * Added {\csname HCode\endcsname{}} before ^ in the following > > > three formulas ->=20 +> > ... > > Well, please define "wrong way" > @@ -24330,35 +20341,35 @@ Thread-Topic: tex4ht and jsmath Thread-Index: AcXVXWUhbLyUgrXYSM6plFyG7dqsVgAQX4hQ From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: Eitan Gurari , list +Cc: Eitan Gurari, list Subject: RE: tex4ht and jsmath -Martin,=20 +Martin, On Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:45 AM you wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote: -> >=20 -> > Besides a stronger discipline, how can we insure that our=20 +> > +> > Besides a stronger discipline, how can we insure that our > > LaTeX coding meets certain minimum standards so that it > > doesn't cause the conversion programs to barf? Do you know > > of any sort of 'lint' program for LaTeX that could detect > > and warn about the "wrong way" of doing things? ->=20 +> > I think that chktex does this: ->=20 +> > http://baruch.ev-en.org/proj/chktex/ ->=20 +> > it issues warnings about possible typographical errors. > Excellent! I think I will add this as an online tool in MathAction. -=20 -> On the other hand, we could simply say: a proper pamphlet=20 + +> On the other hand, we could simply say: a proper pamphlet > file is a file that is correctly processed by latex and > tex4ht. :-) ->=20 +> No!! That would be a mistake similar to defining HTML as the language accepted by the Microsoft Internet Explorer browser. @@ -24431,7 +20442,7 @@ Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (gurari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) Received: (from gurari@localhost) by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j9KIeLXG026344; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:40:21 -0400 (EDT) -From: Eitan Gurari +From: Eitan Gurari Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:40:21 -0400 To: Bill Page Cc: list @@ -24524,7 +20535,7 @@ Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (gurari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) Received: (from gurari@localhost) by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j9KIlkud026381; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:47:46 -0400 (EDT) -From: Eitan Gurari +From: Eitan Gurari Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:47:46 -0400 To: Bill Page Cc: list @@ -24586,27 +20597,27 @@ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:17:31 -0400 Thread-Topic: tex4ht and jsmath Thread-Index: AcXVpb/m2iZ8bj7KRkedXJxohX3EJQAAlfTA From: Bill Page -To: "Eitan Gurari" +To: "Eitan Gurari" Eitan Gurari Cc: list Subject: RE: tex4ht and jsmath On Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:40 PM Eitan Gurari wrote: > ... > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/src/algebra/fspace.spad ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/src/scripts/tex ->=20 +> > The file doesn't compile at my place for native latex on a few > different machines. ->=20 -> latex fspace.spad.tex =20 -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.3.1)=20 -> (fspace.spad.tex=20 -> LaTeX2e <1999/12/01> patch level 1=20 -> Babel and hyphenation patterns for american,=20 -> french, german, ngerman, nohyphenation, loaded.=20 ->=20 +> +> latex fspace.spad.tex +> ===================== +> This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.3.1) +> (fspace.spad.tex +> LaTeX2e <1999/12/01> patch level 1 +> Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, +> french, german, ngerman, nohyphenation, loaded. +> On the axiom-developer.org server we are running: @@ -24627,16 +20638,16 @@ contents of this file consists almost entirely of noweb insertions and I know there are a lot more just like it among the Axiom distribution pamphlet files. ->=20 +> > The axiom.sty will need a short counter axiom.4ht file to > take care of creature such as ->=20 -> \setbox\plusequivbox=3D\hbox{$\mathord{+}\mathord{\equiv}$} -> =20 +> +> \setbox\plusequivbox=\hbox{$\mathord{+}\mathord{\equiv}$} +> > \def\@nwsubscriptident#1#2{\mbox{$\mbox{#1}_{\mathrm{\subpageref{#2}}}$} } ->=20 +> If you tell me explicitly what needs to go where, I would be glad to try it. But a lot of this magic I do not understand. @@ -24678,7 +20689,7 @@ From: root Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: re: tex4ht and jsmath -Cc: gurari@cse.ohio-state.edu, list +Cc: Eitan Gurari, list ok, i'll bite. what could "old latex" mean? @@ -24717,16 +20728,16 @@ Thread-Topic: RE: tex4ht and jsmath Thread-Index: AcXVtP4uUe0I+wxoTlK3T+U6awyNDgAAJvKA From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: gurari@cse.ohio-state.edu, list +Cc: Eitan Gurari, list Tim, On Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:25 PM you asked: ->=20 +> > ok, i'll bite. > what could "old latex" mean? > does anyone have a pointer to a document? ->=20 +> See: @@ -24771,7 +20782,7 @@ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:41:11 -0400 From: root Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) -Cc: gurari@cse.ohio-state.edu, list +Cc: Eitan Gurari, list Subject: old vs new latex technically all of the documents are latex2e (documentclass). @@ -25118,11 +21129,11 @@ Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:42:40 +0200 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXUig6d2rzgoHvXRcKQh/BA0wAxIQAEWkgwAAbo2SA= -From: "Weiss, Juergen" +From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss To: FILETIME=[69FB7B70:01C5D625] -Hi,=20 +Hi, "as someone who shared his office for a few years with Knut Wolf, who had been working for about a year @@ -25136,40 +21147,40 @@ to fix. On the typical hardware of that time were some changes to speed up the SPAD compiler later). I think, there had been an attempt for a reimplementation -in Lisp/Boot before.=20 +in Lisp/Boot before. Why they decided to reimplement in C and not in Lisp -I do not know.=20 +I do not know. So there were quite a few technical reasons for a rewrite. -> > > > It is notable I think, that the original Axiom=20 +> > > > It is notable I think, that the original Axiom > > > > developers chose to re-implement SPAD as Aldor > > > > (written in C) rather than continue to make > > > > improvements to SPAD. -> >=20 +> > > > I'm absolutely certain that the reason for this was rather > > a political than a technical one. > > ->=20 +> > Could you explain what makes you absolutely certain of this? > Can you cite any references to Axiom or Aldor literature? ->=20 +> > In what sense was it "political"? Who stood to gain by such > a decision? ->=20 +> > To me the technical reasons seem rather obvious. So please > forgive me if I seem rather skeptical. ->=20 +> With best regards Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + @@ -25496,22 +21507,22 @@ Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:07:53 +0200 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXWZhx2bKxctY/XRcGYzr22dEMgFgAAImHw -From: "Weiss, Juergen" +From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, FILETIME=[5B64D760:01C5D66A] Cc: -Most lisp compilers are written in lisp:=20 +Most lisp compilers are written in lisp: the famous Maclisp compiler, for example -and the CMU Common Lisp Compiler Python.=20 +and the CMU Common Lisp Compiler Python. -In my opinion, a drawback of the current=20 +In my opinion, a drawback of the current implementation of AXIOM in BOOT/LISP is, that BOOT/LISP does not easily allow the use of typed variables (defstruct). In more modern lisp programming lists are out, defstruct is in (if we forget OO altogether) ;-). So -the implementation technique of the AXIOM=20 +the implementation technique of the AXIOM interpreter/compiler lacks a feature (typed data), for which AXIOM is famous as a computer algebra system. This is rather unfortunate. @@ -25526,39 +21537,39 @@ Regards Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page]=20 +> From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page] > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:37 PM > To: list > Cc: Weiss, Juergen > Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp ->=20 +> > On October 21, 2005 5:43 AM Juergen Weiss wrote: > > ... -> > [about Aldor]=20 +> > [about Aldor] > > I think, there had been an attempt for a reimplementation -> > in Lisp/Boot before.=20 -> >=20 +> > in Lisp/Boot before. +> > > > Why they decided to reimplement in C and not in Lisp -> > I do not know.=20 +> > I do not know. > > ->=20 +> > I wouldn't want to start a "language war" or anything, but > seriously does anyone know of any production (as opposed > to experimental or prototype) compiler written in lisp? > (besides lisp itself, of course) ->=20 +> > I recall a posting by Paul Dietz suggesting that gcc should > be re-written in lisp. (perhaps he was not entirely serious ;) ->=20 +> > Regards, > Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 +> +> @@ -25630,7 +21641,7 @@ Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9M1rf1u022497; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:54:03 -0400 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Weiss, Juergen'" +To: "'Weiss, Juergen'" Juergen Weiss Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:53:23 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -25732,33 +21743,33 @@ Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:31:35 +0200 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXWq39aA4FUoSsIT+KNqE9KxX27MAAVbwOw -From: "Weiss, Juergen" +From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss To: "Bill Page" Bill Page FILETIME=[ED38A280:01C5D704] Cc: list > -----Original Message----- -> From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page]=20 +> From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page] > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:53 AM > To: Weiss, Juergen > Cc: list > Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp ->=20 +> > On October 21, 2005 2:08 PM Juergen Weiss wrote: -> >=20 -> > In my opinion, a drawback of the current=20 +> > +> > In my opinion, a drawback of the current > > implementation of AXIOM in BOOT/LISP is, > > that BOOT/LISP does not easily allow the use of > > typed variables (defstruct). In more modern > > lisp programming lists are out, defstruct > > is in (if we forget OO altogether) ;-). So -> > the implementation technique of the AXIOM=20 +> > the implementation technique of the AXIOM > > interpreter/compiler lacks a feature (typed data), > > for which AXIOM is famous as a computer algebra > > system. This is rather unfortunate. > > ->=20 +> > I think that is a very valuable observation which > is especially relevant if we are contemplating > making significant improvements to the Axiom @@ -25766,11 +21777,11 @@ Cc: list > convinced that Aldor is by far the best way forward. If the problems with the inclusion of Aldor into -the Axiom distribution are resolved, we should=20 +the Axiom distribution are resolved, we should certainly consider moving the algebra library to the Aldor language. I have no idea how much work would be involved doing that. But I would -guess that writing a new compiler is much more=20 +guess that writing a new compiler is much more work. To achieve a reasonable design, it could not be 100 compatible to the old compiler written in lisp. So we had to migrate the algebra @@ -25779,15 +21790,15 @@ library to a new language anyhow. > Did you mean the following as alternatives? Yes. ->=20 +> > > So you could extend BOOT with defstruct, ->=20 +> > This makes a lot of sense to me. Making improvements > to Axiom making improvements in it's foundations > sounds like a reasonable long term strategy. ->=20 +> > > drop BOOT and convert everything to lisp, ->=20 +> > Contrary to some people, I think BOOT was and still > is very important in the overall design of Axiom. You > can see everywhere examples of how the language in @@ -25797,10 +21808,10 @@ Yes. > perhaps work like lisp, yes). So it was an inspired > idea, I think to first write a language that was > "half way in between" so as to speak. ->=20 +> > If one were to drop boot, I think one might risk > the long term logical integrity of this design. -> =20 +> > In BOOT you still have low level access to the > features of lisp that are essential for symbolic > mathematics, but it is dressed in a syntax closer @@ -25814,7 +21825,7 @@ I would not advise that road either. > > define the data with defstruct in lisp > > and use the accessor functions from BOOT. ->=20 +> > Could you explain a little more what you mean by > this approach? Do you mean using the built-in ability > in BOOT to escape to lisp when necessary or more @@ -25823,18 +21834,18 @@ I would not advise that road either. Yes, in lisp the functions to access parts of a structure (defstruct) are just ordinary lisp macros which can -get called from BOOT as well. One could define lisp macros=20 +get called from BOOT as well. One could define lisp macros to set parts of a structure. On the long run, an extension of the BOOT syntax for assignment (setf in lisp) and some more "syntactic sugar" to handle defstructs -would be nice.=20 +would be nice. -Regards=20 +Regards Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -weiss@uni-mainz.de| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 @@ -25866,7 +21877,7 @@ Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp To: Bill Page, - "'Weiss, Juergen'" + "'Weiss, Juergen'" Juergen Weiss Cc: list --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -28585,10 +24596,10 @@ To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp Cc: list On Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:38 PM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > --- root Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 -> >=20 +> +> > > > the latest idea i've seen in documentation is movies. > > we need to figure out how to make a movie that shows how to > > start up an axiom session, perform a computation, and shut @@ -28603,7 +24614,7 @@ Works real nice for me on windows with both FireFox 1.0.7 with Flash plug-in installed and Internet Explorer 6 with active X enabled. ->=20 +> > I've never tried the software used for this > (http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ and > http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/edit_vnc2swf.html) so @@ -28723,14 +24734,14 @@ Cc: list Tim, On Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:05 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > pamphlet-1 played well on my windows machine without > problems. pamphlet-2 never starts. > I am sorry. I had a typo in the html coding for pamphlet-2. It should work fine now. -=20 + > the edit example you show is perfect...exactly what i was > thinking. these could easily make up a volume in the > tutorial. @@ -28739,7 +24750,7 @@ You mean like on CDrom, right? We could stream them too as MPEG or other format, but they would take up quite a lot of disk space if we were to get ambitious. ->=20 +> > how long did it take to create? About 10 minutes, after I downloaded and installed the @@ -28749,10 +24760,10 @@ dependency on RealVNC and less than turn-key packaging. Both packages are very easy to use once installed. vnc2swf is more command-line oriented and has a some -associated editing, mixing and conversion utilities. =20 +associated editing, mixing and conversion utilities. > how large is it? ->=20 +> The shockwave file (SWF) for pamphlet-1 is 1.5 Mbyte and pamphlet-2 is 2 Mbyte. They are both about 2 minutes long @@ -28800,14 +24811,14 @@ Tim, On Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:47 AM I wrote: > ... -> >=20 +> > > > (http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf ->=20 +> > I think it works very well. It works on both Windows and Linux. Here is my second attempt at a movie that shows how to edit a pamphlet file on MathAction - with sound! -=20 + http://page.axiom-developer.org/pamphlet-3.html (music just to keep people from being bored while they watch :) @@ -29248,14 +25259,14 @@ Tim, On Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:25 PM you wrote: > > http://page.axiom-developer.org/pamphlet-3.html ->=20 +> > cool, man, panther cool. > It turns out that there is a way to do audio with Wink as well. See: -http://www.debugmode.com/userforums/viewtopic.php?t=3D2080 +http://www.debugmode.com/userforums/viewtopic.php?t=2080 SWFtools http://www.swftools.org and Audacity (way cool!) http://audacity.sourceforge.net are also, like Wink, @@ -29263,7 +25274,7 @@ available on both linux and windows. > i'm off to try wink. i like the idea of adding comment > balloons to draw attention to important points. ->=20 +> How is Wink working on linux? @@ -29319,9 +25330,9 @@ Cc: list On Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:17 AM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > http://page.axiom-developer.org/AxiomIn5.html ->=20 +> > I created the screen video and balloon markup with Wink > (on a faster workstation than before) and then added the > sound track with Audacity and SWFtools. @@ -29599,7 +25610,7 @@ Cc: list > It turns out that there is a way to do audio with Wink as > well. See: > -> http://www.debugmode.com/userforums/viewtopic.php?t=2080 +> http://www.debugmode.com/userforums/viewtopic.php?t80 > > SWFtools http://www.swftools.org and Audacity (way cool!) > http://audacity.sourceforge.net are also, like Wink, @@ -29778,7 +25789,7 @@ CY > > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org +> list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > @@ -29865,10 +25876,10 @@ From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Martin Rubey Cc: list -Martin, Tim,=20 +Martin, Tim, On Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:52 AM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 +> > clearly noweb is not working for you. > do a `which noweb` to see if it is installed already. > you may be using an installed version rather than axiom's @@ -29908,14 +25919,14 @@ to do a .\configure make ->=20 +> > and a missing 'stdio.h' bodes not well. > check to see if there is one in /usr/include. > if not, the system setup is broken -> else, something is wrong in your environment, try env and=20 +> else, something is wrong in your environment, try env and > post the result ->=20 -> you can also try=20 +> +> you can also try > apt-get install axiom > to see if that works. the apt-get version is about 1 year > downlevel i believe but if it works then i'm puzzled. @@ -29967,7 +25978,7 @@ Cc: list On Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:07 AM C Y wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Hmm - I'm getting the initial screen, but then when I press > next I get a black screen. Maybe my work machine's flash > install is too old? @@ -30009,18 +26020,18 @@ I am not sure whether adding the soundtracks affects what version of SWF is needed. > ... -> >=20 +> > > > So, do you have any ideas for other "productions" and > > about how we should package these things? ->=20 -> The first idea that comes to mind for this format is a=20 +> +> The first idea that comes to mind for this format is a > demonstration of the draw command and interactive tools it > pops up, but that would require wink on Linux. Unless Tim gets to it first, I could try something like that this weekend. ->=20 +> > Out of curiosity, what hardware are you using to record your > voice? @@ -30043,7 +26054,7 @@ audio/visual software but recently the software on Linux seems to have made some major advances. > Can one get decent sound quality with inexpensive hardware? ->=20 +> Short answer: "No." :( But of course it depends on what you want to do and what you mean by "inexpensive". If you want to @@ -30392,7 +26403,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.1.100] (host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu [131.252.250.237]) (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:05:49 -0700 [131.252.250.237] claimed to be [192.168.1.100] -From: Karl Hegbloom +From: Karl Hegbloom To: list Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Hyperdoc] Series examples improvement idea. @@ -30412,7 +26423,7 @@ textbook: lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} S_n = S -- -Karl Hegbloom +Karl Hegbloom @@ -33249,7 +29260,7 @@ Cc: Camm Maguire, list Tim, On October 31, 2005 12:16 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > not a virtual server problem. i'm building the FC4 in a vmware > machine. hmmm. mod the code to lower the limit, i guess. debugging > the problem will just take you down a different path you probably @@ -33257,12 +29268,12 @@ On October 31, 2005 12:16 AM you wrote: Right! :) -The build completes with --enable-maxpage=3D128*1024 +The build completes with --enable-maxpage=128*1024 > it'll probably be a waste of time. i only jacked the limit > because we thought it would solve a previous problem > -=20 + Yes. In an email on 15 Septembre 2005 Vanuxem Gr=E9gory claimed that this did solve the problem. But I was not able to reproduce that on MathAction since I was not able to complete the build. @@ -33285,57 +29296,57 @@ Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill Page]=20 +> From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill Page] > Sent: September 27, 2005 6:11 PM > To: Camm Maguire > Cc: list; gcl-devel@gnu.org; Bill Page > Subject: RE: FW: How to set default for ALLOCATE-CONTIGUOUS-PAGES? ->=20 ->=20 -> Camm,=20 ->=20 +> +> +> Camm, +> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2005 5:10 PM you wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > Greetings, and please exsude the delay! -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > No problem! I exsude (sic) delay myself ;) ->=20 +> > On Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:17 PM Bill Page wrote: -> > >=20 +> > > > > > On Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:07 PM I wrote: -> > > > > ...=20 -> > > > > GCLOPTS=3D"--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd -> > > > > --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024" -> > > > >=20 -> > >=20 +> > > > > ... +> > > > > GCLOPTS="--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd +> > > > > --enable-maxpage=256*1024" +> > > > > +> > > > > > Oops... the build just died with: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid -> > >=20 +> > > > > > ... -> > > echo " (in-package \"USER\")(system:save-system=20 +> > > echo " (in-package \"USER\")(system:save-system > \"saved_pre_gcl\")" > > > >>foo -> > >=20 +> > > > > > /home/page/repository/axiom--main--1/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/ra > w_pre_gcl -> > >=20 +> > > > /home/page/repository/axiom--main--1/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/ -libdir > > > /home/page/repository/axiom--main--1/lsp/gcl-2.6.7/ < foo > > > GCL (GNU Common Lisp) April 1994 262144 pages -> > >=20 +> > > > > > Unrecoverable error: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid. -> >=20 +> > > > What kind of machine is this? ->=20 +> > This is the axiom-developer server where we run MathAction. It > is a x686 shared virtual server running RedHat 9. The error > occurs when trying to build Axiom patch-44 which includes > gcl-2.6.7. The build succeeds if I use the normal Axiom default -> of --enable-maxpage=3D128*1024, but then I get the +> of --enable-maxpage=128*1024, but then I get the > ALLOCATE-CONTINUOUS-PAGES error. See below. That is why I was > trying to increase maxpage. ->=20 +> > > The purpose of this macro is to distinguish the stack address > > space. Addresses of local variables should return true, and > > others false. GCL tests this on starup on a local variable, NIL, @@ -33343,18 +29354,18 @@ Bill Page. > > 'cpp -I../h main.c' in the o directory. Most likely there was > > some problem in detecting CSTACK_ADDRESS in the configure stage. > > I recommend looking at the configure output for this. ->=20 +> > Ok. Here is where CSTACK_ADDRESS is mentioned in the configure > output: ->=20 +> > ... > checking for randomized sbrk... no > checking finding DBEGIN... got 0x8000000 > checking finding CSTACK_ADDRESS... got 1073738356 > ... ->=20 +> > In config.log I see ->=20 +> > ... > configure:3780: checking for sbrk > configure:3798: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5 @@ -33366,56 +29377,56 @@ Bill Page. > configure:4051: checking finding CSTACK_ADDRESS > configure:4068: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5 > ... ->=20 +> > So I don't see a problem here. Do you? ->=20 +> > On Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:58 AM Bill Page wrote: -> > > >=20 -> > > > On Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:22 AM I wrote:=20 -> > > >=20 -> > > > > ...=20 -> > > > > Yes, I think you are right. I changed the short name=20 -> > > > > (abbreviation=3Dfile name?) of my Aldor category from +> > > > +> > > > On Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:22 AM I wrote: +> > > > +> > > > > ... +> > > > > Yes, I think you are right. I changed the short name +> > > > > (abbreviation=file name?) of my Aldor category from > > > > > upper case to lower case and now it **sometimes** works. > > > > > See: -> > > > >=20 +> > > > > > > > > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxCategoryOfGraphs -> > > > >=20 +> > > > > > > > > > But often when I try to save this page I get: -> > > > >=20 +> > > > > > > > > > >> System error: > > > > > Contiguous blocks exhausted. > > > > > Currently, 1354 pages are allocated. > > > > > Use ALLOCATE-CONTIGUOUS-PAGES to expand the space. -> > > > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > > > +> > > > You can allocate page types explicitly with the #'allocate function > > (see the docs if needed), ->=20 +> > I do not know what you mean by "allocate page types explicitly". > Is this a function like si::allocate-contiguous-pages that I used > in the Axiom )lisp command below? Or does this have something to > do with the gcl configuration? ->=20 +> > > but this is not necessary, as you are totally out of memory here, > > and this will just forestall total failure. ->=20 +> > As I mentioned in the previous email, all seems well if I call ->=20 +> > )lisp (si::allocate-contiguous-pages 3000 t) ->=20 +> > inside Axiom before access the Aldor category. Why do you say > that I am "totally out of memory"? ->=20 +> > > You need to configure with a greater --enable-maxpage. ->=20 +> > That is what I tried to do but the build of gcl fails as > I mentioned above. ->=20 -> >=20 +> +> > > > Do I understand right that someone is layering aldor on top > > of axiom? ->=20 +> > Aldor used to be available as an optional library compiler > for the commercial version of Axiom. The current open source > version of Axiom was released without Aldor because NAG had @@ -33423,7 +29434,7 @@ Bill Page. > to "aldor.org" (aka. Stephen Watt). "aldor.org" makes binary > versions of Aldor available for free for non-commmercial use > but does not follow the current open source licensing model. ->=20 +> > Recently Peter Broadbery was able to configure the open source > version of Axiom to use the Aldor binary on linux. So now > Axiom functions the way it used to in the commercial release @@ -33431,22 +29442,22 @@ Bill Page. > several requests to Stephen Watt to obtain a copy of the > source code license for Aldor but I have not yet heard from > him. ->=20 +> > > Can we distribute such in Debian yet? ->=20 +> > I presuemt that to distribute on Debian we would require > a GPL-compatible source license to Aldor, right? ->=20 +> > > If so, I might be persuaded to package it, and thereby ensure > > that it works :-). ->=20 +> > Wonderful. I think we should try hard to make this happen. > I would love to be able to just 'apt-get install aldor'! :) ->=20 +> > Regards, > Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 +> +> @@ -35362,19 +31373,19 @@ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:01:11 +1000 charset="us-ascii" Thread-Topic: RE: Boot vs. Lisp Thread-Index: AcXeQCP6dAaPoFLlQKqP6/CXMplsSQAHGyYQ -From: "Mike Thomas" +From: Mike Thomas To: "Bill Page" Bill Page Cc: list Hi Bill. -| So as much as I do respect lisp, I have serious doubts about=20 -| the claim that "The skill to understand and debug lisp is=20 -| likely to be more common down the road". For example, I think=20 -| that in the short time that Python has existed (relative to=20 -| lisp), it currently has many many more active programmers=20 -| than lisp. Of course BOOT is not Python, but my point is that=20 -| a typical Python programmer (e.g. "me" :) has much less=20 +| So as much as I do respect lisp, I have serious doubts about +| the claim that "The skill to understand and debug lisp is +| likely to be more common down the road". For example, I think +| that in the short time that Python has existed (relative to +| lisp), it currently has many many more active programmers +| than lisp. Of course BOOT is not Python, but my point is that +| a typical Python programmer (e.g. "me" :) has much less | resistance learning BOOT then learning lisp. Ditto from my Haskell/ML perspective. Once I understood the @@ -35535,109 +31546,109 @@ SA - + + -=20 + - + -=20 + -=20 --
--
--jsMath + +-
+-
+-jsMath -
--(type fonts) -+
-+
-+jsMath +-(type fonts) ++
++
++jsMath +
-+(type fonts) ++(type fonts)

-- --
--
-- +-
+- -- -- --
+- - -
-- -
-
-- +- +- STYLE="width:17em" onClick="jsMath.Controls.PrintResolution()"> -
-- -+ +-
+- ++ -+ -+ -+ ++
-+ +
-+ ++ -- -- +-
++ -+ -+ -+ ++ -
++ + +
-+ +
+
-+ ++ +
-+ ++
++   -- -- +- +- -
-Click on the jsMath floating button or ALT-click on a -mathematical expression to get this dialog at any time. @@ -35645,13 +31656,13 @@ all"> -

- - -+

 -+ ++ ++ +
+Click on the jsMath floating button or ALT-click on a +mathematical expression to get this dialog at any time. @@ -35659,158 +31670,158 @@ all"> +

+ + -=20 + -=20 --

--
--jsMath Options [help +-
+-jsMath Options [help] -+
-+
-+jsMath Options [help ++
++jsMath Options [help]

--

-- +-
-+ -+
++
-=20 -- -+ -=20 -- -+ -=20 -- ++ + +- ++ + +- -- -- -- -- +- +- - -- +- - -- -- -- +- -- - -- +- - - - -- +- - --
Scale all mathematics to %
Scale all mathematics to %
--Use native TeX fonts --(Scale all mathematics to %
Scale all mathematics to %
+-Use native TeX fonts +-(download) -
--Use image fonts --( scalable) +-Use image fonts +-( scalable)
--Use images for symbols only
+-
+-Use images for symbols only
-Use native Unicode fonts
Autos= +-
Autos= elect best font
Use image alpha channels
Show font= +-
Use image alpha channels
Show font= warnings
Show js= +-
Show js= Math button
Save settings for - -- +-
-- +-
+- - -- -+ -+ -+ -+ ++ ++ + -+ ++ + -+ -+ -+ ++ -+ + -+ ++ + + + -+ ++ + -+
-- -+
-+Use native TeX fonts -+( +- ++
++Use native TeX fonts ++(download) +
-+Use image fonts -+( scalable)<= ++
++Use image fonts ++( scalable)<= /span>
-+Use images for symbols only
++
++Use images for symbols only
+Use native Unicode fonts
Aut= ++
Aut= oselect best font
Use image alpha channels
Show fo= ++
Use image alpha channels
Show fo= nt warnings
Show = ++
Show = jsMath button
Save settings for + -+ ++
-+ ++ -+ + +
++ + -+ -- - -
-+ ++ ++    - -- +- +- -
@@ -35821,9 +31832,9 @@ m" onClick=3D"jsMath.Controls.SaveOptions(1)"> - - +		 -+ ++ ++ +
@@ -35833,9 +31844,9 @@ m" onClick=3D"jsMath.Controls.SaveOptions(1)" /> + + + -=20 + -=20 + -'); -+ document.write(''); + if (!file.match('^([a-zA-Z]+:/)?/')) {file = jsMath.root + file} +- document.write(''); ++ document.write(''); }, - =20 + /* - * Use a hidden
for measuring the BBoxes of things + * Use a hidden
for measuring the BBoxes of things */ HTML: function () { - jsMath.hidden =3D this.TopHTML("Hidden",{'class':"normal"},{ + jsMath.hidden = this.TopHTML("Hidden",{'class':"normal"},{ @@ -307,7 +307,7 @@ * the other .js and .gif files) */ Source: function () { -- var script =3D document.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT'); -+ var script =3D document.getElementsByTagName('script'); +- var script = document.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT'); ++ var script = document.getElementsByTagName('script'); if (script) { - for (var i =3D 0; i < script.length; i++) { - var src =3D script[i].src; + for (var i = 0; i < script.length; i++) { + var src = script[i].src; @@ -369,10 +369,10 @@ */ TeXfont: function (name) { - var font =3D jsMath.TeX[name]; -- var WH =3D jsMath.EmBoxFor(''+font[65].c+''+font[65].c+''); -+ var WH =3D jsMath.EmBoxFor(''+font[65].c+''+font[65].c+''); - font.hd =3D WH.h; -- font.d =3D jsMath.EmBoxFor(''+ font[65].c + -- '').h=20 -+ font.d =3D jsMath.EmBoxFor(''+ font[65].c + -+ '').h=20 + font.hd = WH.h; +- font.d = jsMath.EmBoxFor(''+ font[65].c + +- '').h ++ font.d = jsMath.EmBoxFor(''+ font[65].c + ++ '').h - font.hd; - font.h =3D font.hd - font.d; - font.dh =3D .05; + font.h = font.hd - font.d; + font.dh = .05; @@ -413,9 +413,9 @@ - styles =3D jsMath.styles; - styles['.jsM_scale'] =3D 'font-size:'+jsMath.Controls.cookie.scale+'= + styles = jsMath.styles; + styles['.jsM_scale'] = 'font-size:'+jsMath.Controls.cookie.scale+'= %'; } -- document.writeln(''); + document.writeln(''); }, - =20 + /* @@ -437,7 +437,7 @@ jsMath.Setup.User(); // do user-specific initialization -=20 + //make sure browser-specific loads are done before this - document.write(''); + document.write(''); - =20 - this.inited =3D 1; + + this.inited = 1; }, @@ -515,13 +515,13 @@ valignBug: 0, // Konqueror doesn't nest vertical-align -=20 + /* - * Determine if the "top" of a is always at the same height + * Determine if the "top" of a is always at the same height * or varies with the height of the rest of the line (MSIE). */ TestSpanHeight: function () { -- jsMath.hidden.innerHTML =3D ''; -- var span =3D jsMath.hidden.getElementsByTagName('SPAN')[0]; -- var img =3D jsMath.hidden.getElementsByTagName('IMG')[0]; -+ jsMath.hidden.innerHTML =3D ''; -+ var span =3D jsMath.hidden.getElementsByTagName('span')[0]; -+ var img =3D jsMath.hidden.getElementsByTagName('img')[0]; - this.spanHeightVaries =3D (span.offsetHeight =3D=3D img.offsetHeight); - jsMath.hidden.innerHTML =3D ''; +- jsMath.hidden.innerHTML = ''; +- var span = jsMath.hidden.getElementsByTagName('SPAN')[0]; +- var img = jsMath.hidden.getElementsByTagName('IMG')[0]; ++ jsMath.hidden.innerHTML = ''; ++ var span = jsMath.hidden.getElementsByTagName('span')[0]; ++ var img = jsMath.hidden.getElementsByTagName('img')[0]; + this.spanHeightVaries = (span.offsetHeight == img.offsetHeight); + jsMath.hidden.innerHTML = ''; }, @@ -532,9 +532,9 @@ * returned by getElementByName. */ TestRenameOK: function () { -- jsMath.hidden.innerHTML =3D ''; -+ jsMath.hidden.innerHTML =3D ''; - var test =3D document.getElementById('jsMath.test'); +- jsMath.hidden.innerHTML = ''; ++ jsMath.hidden.innerHTML = ''; + var test = document.getElementById('jsMath.test'); - test.setAttribute('NAME','jsMath_test'); + test.setAttribute('name','jsMath_test'); - this.renameOK =3D (document.getElementsByName('jsMath_test').length > = + this.renameOK = (document.getElementsByName('jsMath_test').length > = 0); - jsMath.hidden.innerHTML =3D ''; + jsMath.hidden.innerHTML = ''; }, @@ -582,23 +582,23 @@ jsMath.Update.TeXfonts({ cmr10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, cmmi10: { - '10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '126': {c: '~'} +- '126': {c: '~'} + '10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '126': {c: '~'} ++ '126': {c: '~'} }, cmsy10: { '10': {c: '⊗', tclass: 'arial'}, -- '55': {c: '7'} -+ '55': {c: '7'} +- '55': {c: '7'} ++ '55': {c: '7'} }, -- cmex10: {'10': {c: 'D'}}, +- cmex10: {'10': {c: 'D'}}, - cmti10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, - cmbx10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}} -+ cmex10: {'10': {c: 'D'}}, ++ cmex10: {'10': {c: 'D'}}, + cmti10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, + cmbx10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}} }); - this.allowAbsoluteDelim =3D 1; - this.separateSkips =3D 1; - this.msieFontBug =3D 1; this.msieIntegralBug =3D 1; - this.msieAlphaBug =3D 1; this.alphaPrintBug =3D 1; - this.msieCenterBugFix =3D 'position:relative; '; -- this.msieSpaceFix =3D ''; -+ this.msieSpaceFix =3D ''; - this.msieInlineBlockFix =3D ' display: inline-block;'; + this.msieInlineBlockFix = ' display: inline-block;'; jsMath.Macro('joinrel','\\mathrel{\\kern-5mu}'), - jsMath.styles['.arial'] =3D "font-family: 'Arial unicode MS'"; + jsMath.styles['.arial'] = "font-family: 'Arial unicode MS'"; @@ -614,12 +614,12 @@ - this.imgScale *=3D screen.logicalXDPI/screen.deviceXDPI; - jsMath.Controls.cookie.alpha =3D 0; + this.imgScale *= screen.logicalXDPI/screen.deviceXDPI; + jsMath.Controls.cookie.alpha = 0; } -- this.italicString =3D 'x'; -+ this.italicString =3D 'x'; - jsMath.EmBoxFor =3D jsMath.EmBoxForItalics; - } else if (navigator.platform =3D=3D 'MacPPC') { - this.msieAbsoluteBug =3D 1; this.msieButtonBug =3D 1; +- this.italicString = 'x'; ++ this.italicString = 'x'; + jsMath.EmBoxFor = jsMath.EmBoxForItalics; + } else if (navigator.platform == 'MacPPC') { + this.msieAbsoluteBug = 1; this.msieButtonBug = 1; jsMath.Setup.Script('jsMath-msie-mac.js'); -- jsMath.Parser.prototype.macros.angle =3D ['Replace','ord','‹','normal']; -+ jsMath.Parser.prototype.macros.angle =3D ['Replace','ord','‹','normal']; - jsMath.styles['.jsM_panel'] =3D 'width:25em; ' + jsMath.styles['.j= +- jsMath.Parser.prototype.macros.angle = ['Replace','ord','‹','normal']; ++ jsMath.Parser.prototype.macros.angle = ['Replace','ord','‹','normal']; + jsMath.styles['.jsM_panel'] = 'width:25em; ' + jsMath.styles['.j= sM_panel'].replace(/width:auto/,""); - jsMath.styles['.jsM_button'] =3D 'width:1px; ' + jsMath.styles['.j= + jsMath.styles['.jsM_button'] = 'width:1px; ' + jsMath.styles['.j= sM_button'].replace(/width:auto/,""); } @@ -636,11 +636,11 @@ - if (navigator.platform =3D=3D 'MacPPC') { + if (navigator.platform == 'MacPPC') { jsMath.Update.TeXfonts({ cmr10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, - cmmi10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, + cmmi10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, cmsy10: {'10': {c: '⊗', tclass: 'normal'}}, -- cmex10: {'10': {c: 'D'}}, +- cmex10: {'10': {c: 'D'}}, - cmti10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, - cmbx10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}} -+ cmex10: {'10': {c: 'D'}}, ++ cmex10: {'10': {c: 'D'}}, + cmti10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, + cmbx10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}} }); @@ -40035,10 +36046,10 @@ sM_button'].replace(/width:auto/,""); '20': {c: '≤', tclass: 'normal'} }, cmex10: { -- '10': {c: 'D'}, -- '20': {c: '"'} -+ '10': {c: 'D'}, -+ '20': {c: '"'} +- '10': {c: 'D'}, +- '20': {c: '"'} ++ '10': {c: 'D'}, ++ '20': {c: '"'} }, cmti10: { - '10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}, @@ -40053,149 +36064,149 @@ sM_button'].replace(/width:auto/,""); + '20': {c: 'ˇ', tclass: 'normal'} } }); - this.allowAbsolute =3D 0; + this.allowAbsolute = 0; @@ -731,9 +731,9 @@ cmr10: {'20': {c: 'ˇ', tclass: 'normal'}}, cmmi10: {'20': {c: 'κ', tclass: 'normal'}}, cmsy10: {'20': {c: '≤', tclass: 'normal'}}, -- cmex10: {'20': {c: '"'}}, +- cmex10: {'20': {c: '"'}}, - cmti10: {'20': {c: 'ˇ', tclass: 'normal'}}, - cmbx10: {'20': {c: 'ˇ', tclass: 'normal'}} -+ cmex10: {'20': {c: '"'}}, ++ cmex10: {'20': {c: '"'}}, + cmti10: {'20': {c: 'ˇ', tclass: 'normal'}}, + cmbx10: {'20': {c: 'ˇ', tclass: 'normal'}} }); - this.allowAbsolute =3D 0; - this.allowAbsoluteDelim =3D 0; + this.allowAbsolute = 0; + this.allowAbsoluteDelim = 0; @@ -761,13 +761,13 @@ -=20 + // the HTML for the missing font message - message: =20 + message: - 'No TeX fonts found -- using image fonts instead.
\n' - + 'These may be slow and might not print well.
\n' + 'No TeX fonts found -- using image fonts instead.
\n' + + 'These may be slow and might not print well.
\n' + 'Use the jsMath control panel to get additional information.', - =20 + extra_message: -- 'Extra TeX fonts not found: <= +- 'Extra TeX fonts not found: <= /B>
' - + 'Using image fonts instead. This may be slow and might not print = well.
\n' -+ 'Extra TeX fonts not found: <= ++ 'Extra TeX fonts not found: <= /b>
' + + 'Using image fonts instead. This may be slow and might not print = well.
\n' + 'Use the jsMath control panel to get additional information.', - =20 + /* @@ -777,16 +777,16 @@ */ Test1: function (name,n,factor) { - if (n =3D=3D null) {n =3D 124}; if (factor =3D=3D null) {factor =3D 2} -- var wh1 =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMath.TeX[name][n].c+''); -- var wh2 =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= +- var wh2 = jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= h.TeX[name][n].c+''); -+ var wh1 =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMath.TeX[name][n].c+''); -+ var wh2 =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= ++ var wh2 = jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= h.TeX[name][n].c+''); //alert([wh1.w,wh2.w,wh1.h,factor*wh2.w]); - return (wh1.w > factor*wh2.w && wh1.h !=3D 0); + return (wh1.w > factor*wh2.w && wh1.h != 0); }, -=20 + Test2: function (name,n,factor) { - if (n =3D=3D null) {n =3D 124}; if (factor =3D=3D null) {factor =3D 2} -- var wh1 =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMath.TeX[name][n].c+''); -- var wh2 =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= +- var wh2 = jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= h.TeX[name][n].c+''); -+ var wh1 =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMath.TeX[name][n].c+''); -+ var wh2 =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= ++ var wh2 = jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= h.TeX[name][n].c+''); //alert([wh2.w,wh1.w,wh1.h,factor*wh1.w]); - return (wh2.w > factor*wh1.w && wh1.h !=3D 0); + return (wh2.w > factor*wh1.w && wh1.h != 0); }, @@ -806,7 +806,7 @@ */ Check: function () { - var cookie =3D jsMath.Controls.cookie; -- var wh =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= + var cookie = jsMath.Controls.cookie; +- var wh = jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= h.TeX.cmex10[1].c+''); -+ var wh =3D jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= ++ var wh = jsMath.BBoxFor(''+jsMat= h.TeX.cmex10[1].c+''); - jsMath.nofonts =3D ((wh.w*3 > wh.h || wh.h =3D=3D 0) && !this.Test1('c= + jsMath.nofonts = ((wh.w*3 > wh.h || wh.h == 0) && !this.Test1('c= mr10')); if (jsMath.nofonts) { - if (cookie.autofont || cookie.font =3D=3D 'tex') { + if (cookie.autofont || cookie.font == 'tex') { @@ -843,7 +843,7 @@ * The message for when no TeX fonts. You can eliminate this message * by including - * =20 -- * -+ * + * +- * ++ * * * in your HTML file, before loading jsMath.js, if you want. But this * means the user may not know that he or she can get a better version @@ -853,15 +853,15 @@ if(jsMath.Element("Warning")) return; - var div =3D jsMath.Setup.TopHTML("Warning",{'class':'jsM_Warning'},{}); - div.innerHTML =3D=20 + var div = jsMath.Setup.TopHTML("Warning",{'class':'jsM_Warning'},{}); + div.innerHTML = - '
' -- + '
' + message -- + '
' + message +- + '
' -- + 'jsMath Control Panel' -- + '' -- + '' +- + 'Hide this Message' -- + '

' -- + '
' +- + '

' +- + '
' - + '
'; + '
' -+ + '
' + message -+ + '
' + message ++ + '
' -+ + 'jsMath Control Panel' -+ + '' -+ + '' ++ + 'Hide this Message' -+ + '

' -+ + '
' ++ + '

' ++ + '
' + + '
'; }, - =20 + HideMessage: function () { @@ -972,9 +972,9 @@ Button: function () { - var button =3D jsMath.Setup.TopHTML("jsMath",{'class':'jsM_button'},{}= + var button = jsMath.Setup.TopHTML("jsMath",{'class':'jsM_button'},{}= ); - button.innerHTML =3D=20 -- '' + -- 'jsMath' -+ '' + -+ 'jsMath' - if (!this.cookie.button) {button.style.display =3D "none"} + button.innerHTML = +- '' + +- 'jsMath' ++ '' + ++ 'jsMath' + if (!this.cookie.button) {button.style.display = "none"} }, - =20 + @@ -997,10 +997,10 @@ else {setTimeout("jsMath.Controls.Button()",500)} if (jsMath.Browser.safariIFRAMEbug) { document.write( -- '\n'); -+ '\n'); return; @@ -40203,81 +36214,81 @@ ht:1em;">' try { @@ -1012,9 +1012,9 @@ document.body.insertBefore(frame,this.panel); - this.iframe =3D frame; + this.iframe = frame; } catch (err) { -- document.write('\n'); -+ document.write('\n'); } }, -=20 + @@ -2078,7 +2078,7 @@ - if (window.location.protocol !=3D 'file:') {jsMath.Controls.SetCooki= + if (window.location.protocol != 'file:') {jsMath.Controls.SetCooki= e(0)} - if (jsMath.Browser.alphaPrintBug) {jsMath.Controls.cookie.alpha =3D = + if (jsMath.Browser.alphaPrintBug) {jsMath.Controls.cookie.alpha = = 0} } -- document.writeln(''); -+ document.writeln(''); - this.loaded =3D 1; +- document.writeln(''); ++ document.writeln(''); + this.loaded = 1; } - =20 + @@ -2111,9 +2111,9 @@ Spacer: function (w) { - if (w =3D=3D 0) {return ''}; + if (w == 0) {return ''}; return jsMath.Browser.msieSpaceFix -- + '' - + jsMath.Browser.hiddenSpace + ''; + + jsMath.Browser.hiddenSpace + ''; }, -=20 + /* @@ -2127,11 +2127,11 @@ - if (!c) {c =3D 'black'}; - if (pos) {pos =3D 'absolute;'} else - {pos =3D 'relative; margin-right: '+this.Em(-(w+2/jsMath.em))= + if (!c) {c = 'black'}; + if (pos) {pos = 'absolute;'} else + {pos = 'relative; margin-right: '+this.Em(-(w+2/jsMath.em))= +'; '} -- return ''; + + 'border: 1px solid '+c+';" />'; }, -=20 + /* @@ -2147,21 +2147,21 @@ - w *=3D jsMath.Browser.imgScale; - h =3D Math.round(h*jsMath.em*jsMath.Browser.imgScale+.25); - if (h < 1) {h =3D 1}; -- return ''; + + 'border:0px none; border-top:'+h+'px solid" />'; }, - =20 + /* - * Add a tag to activate a specific CSS class + * Add a tag to activate a specific CSS class */ Class: function (tclass,html) { -- return ''+html+''; -+ return ''+html+''; +- return ''+html+''; ++ return ''+html+''; }, - =20 + /* - * Use a to place some HTML at a specific position. + * Use a to place some HTML at a specific position. @@ -40285,19 +36296,19 @@ e(0)} * some browser-specific bugs.) */ @@ -2169,29 +2169,29 @@ - if (Math.abs(x) < .0001) {x =3D 0} - if (Math.abs(y) < .0001) {y =3D 0} + if (Math.abs(x) < .0001) {x = 0} + if (Math.abs(y) < .0001) {y = 0} if (x || y) { -- var span =3D '' + html + ''; -+ html =3D span + '">' + html + ''; +- var span = '' + html + ''; ++ html = span + '">' + html + ''; } return html; }, - =20 + /* * For MSIE on Windows, backspacing must be done in a separate - * , otherwise the contents will be clipped. Netscape @@ -40307,60 +36318,60 @@ e(0)} + * Here the x and y positioning are done in separate tags */ PlaceSeparateSkips: function (html,x,y) { - if (Math.abs(x) < .0001) {x =3D 0} - if (Math.abs(y) < .0001) {y =3D 0} -- if (y) {html =3D '' + html + ''} -+ if (y) {html =3D '' + html + ''} - if (x) {html =3D jsMath.Browser.msieSpaceFix=20 -- + '' - + jsMath.Browser.hiddenSpace + '' + html} + + jsMath.Browser.hiddenSpace + '' + html} return html; }, - =20 + @@ -2201,8 +2201,8 @@ PlaceAbsolute: function (html,x,y) { - if (Math.abs(x) < .0001) {x =3D 0} - if (Math.abs(y) < .0001) {y =3D 0} -- html =3D '' + html + ' '; -+ html =3D '' + html + ' '; // space normalizes line height return html; }, @@ -2212,24 +2212,24 @@ - if (d && d !=3D "none") {align =3D ' vertical-align: '+jsMath.HTML.Em(= + if (d && d != "none") {align = ' vertical-align: '+jsMath.HTML.Em(= -d)+';'} - if (y !=3D "none") { - if (Math.abs(y) < .0001) {y =3D 0} -- html =3D '' + html + ' ' // space normalizes line height in script= styles - + ''; + + ''; } -- html +=3D ''; + + 'height:'+jsMath.HTML.Em(h*jsMath.Browser.imgScale)+';'+al= ign+'" />'; if (jsMath.Browser.msieAbsoluteBug) { // for MSIE (Mac) -- html =3D '' + html + ''; -+ html =3D '' + html + ''; +- html = '' + html + ''; ++ html = '' + html + ''; } -- html =3D ''; + + ''; return html; } -=20 + @@ -2302,7 +2302,7 @@ // hack to avoid Font changing back to the default // font when a unicode reference is not followed // by a letter or number -- box.html +=3D 'x' -+ box.html +=3D 'x' +- box.html += 'x' ++ box.html += 'x' } } - if (c.img !=3D null) { + if (c.img != null) { @@ -2350,14 +2350,14 @@ "": " vertical-align:"+v+';'; - var URL =3D jsMath.Img.URL(font,jsMath.Img.fonts[id],C); + var URL = jsMath.Img.URL(font,jsMath.Img.fonts[id],C); if (jsMath.Browser.msieAlphaBug && jsMath.Controls.cookie.alpha) { -- c.c =3D ''; -+ + URL + "', sizingMethod=3D'scale'" + ');" />'; +=' + "'" +- + URL + "', sizingMethod='scale'" + ');">'; ++ + URL + "', sizingMethod='scale'" + ');" />'; } else { -- c.c =3D ''; -+ c.c =3D ''; } - c.tclass =3D "normal"; - c.img.bh =3D h+d; c.img.bd =3D -d; + c.tclass = "normal"; + c.img.bh = h+d; c.img.bd = -d; @@ -2601,7 +2601,7 @@ - html +=3D this.AddClass(rep.tclass,ehtml,rep.font) + jsMath.HTML.Spa= + html += this.AddClass(rep.tclass,ehtml,rep.font) + jsMath.HTML.Spa= cer(w); - ehtml =3D ''; for (var i =3D m; i < n; i++) {ehtml +=3D ext}; - html +=3D this.AddClass(rep.tclass,ehtml,rep.font); -- if (jsMath.Browser.msieFontBug) {html +=3D '' + html + '<= +- if (size != 4) {html = '' + html + '<= /SPAN>'} -+ if (size !=3D 4) {html =3D '' + html + '<= ++ if (size != 4) {html = '' + html + '<= /span>'} return html; }, -=20 + @@ -3732,7 +3732,7 @@ /* * Typeset an mlist (i.e., turn it into HTML). @@ -40440,7 +36451,7 @@ none">x'} * The width of the final box is recomputed at the end, since @@ -3837,42 +3837,42 @@ }, -=20 + /* - * Add a to position an item's HTML, and + * Add a to position an item's HTML, and @@ -40449,16 +36460,16 @@ none">x'} * versions by Browser.Init().) */ Place: function (item) { -- var html =3D '' + item.html + ''; -+ item.html =3D html + '">' + item.html + ''; - item.h +=3D item.y; item.d -=3D item.y; - item.x =3D 0; item.y =3D 0; +- var html = '' + item.html + ''; ++ item.html = html + '">' + item.html + ''; + item.h += item.y; item.d -= item.y; + item.x = 0; item.y = 0; }, - =20 + /* * For MSIE on Windows, backspacing must be done in a separate - * , otherwise the contents will be clipped. Netscape @@ -40468,108 +36479,108 @@ none">x'} */ PlaceSeparateSkips: function (item) { if (item.y) { -- if (item.html.match(/^]*>(]*>(<\/SPAN>)?$/i) && !item.html.match(/top:/)) { -- item.html =3D item.html.replace(/STYLE=3D"/, -- 'STYLE=3D"position:relative; top:'+jsMath.HTML.Em(-item.y)+';'= +- item.html = item.html.replace(/STYLE="/, +- 'STYLE="position:relative; top:'+jsMath.HTML.Em(-item.y)+';'= ); -+ if (item.html.match(/^]*>(]*>(<\/span>)?$/i) && !item.html.match(/top:/)) { -+ item.html =3D item.html.replace(/style=3D"/, -+ 'style=3D"position:relative; top:'+jsMath.HTML.Em(-item.y)+';'= ++ item.html = item.html.replace(/style="/, ++ 'style="position:relative; top:'+jsMath.HTML.Em(-item.y)+';'= ); } else { -- item.html =3D '' + item.html + '' + + '">' + item.html + '' } } - if (item.x)=20 - {item.html =3D jsMath.Browser.msieSpaceFix -- + '' - + jsMath.Browser.hiddenSpace + '' + item.htm= l} + + jsMath.Browser.hiddenSpace + '' + item.htm= l} - item.h +=3D item.y; item.d -=3D item.y; - item.x =3D 0; item.y =3D 0; + item.h += item.y; item.d -= item.y; + item.x = 0; item.y = 0; } @@ -4239,8 +4239,8 @@ ker: ['NamedOp',0], lg: ['NamedOp',0], lim: 'NamedOp', -- liminf: ['NamedOp',null,'liminf'], -- limsup: ['NamedOp',null,'limsup'], -+ liminf: ['NamedOp',null,'liminf'], -+ limsup: ['NamedOp',null,'limsup'], ln: ['NamedOp',0], log: ['NamedOp',0], max: 'NamedOp', @@ -4733,7 +4733,7 @@ Color: function (name) { - var color =3D this.GetArgument(this.cmd+name); if (this.error) return; + var color = this.GetArgument(this.cmd+name); if (this.error) return; // check that it looks like a color? -- this.AddHTML(name,['','']); -+ this.AddHTML(name,['','']); +- this.AddHTML(name,['','']); ++ this.AddHTML(name,['','']); }, - =20 + /* @@ -4741,7 +4741,7 @@ */ Href: function (name) { - var href =3D this.GetArgument(this.cmd+name); if (this.error) return; -- this.AddHTML(name,['','']); -+ this.AddHTML(name,['','']); + var href = this.GetArgument(this.cmd+name); if (this.error) return; +- this.AddHTML(name,['','']); ++ this.AddHTML(name,['','']); }, - =20 + /* @@ -4749,7 +4749,7 @@ */ Class: function (name) { - var clss =3D this.GetArgument(this.cmd+name); if (this.error) return; -- this.AddHTML(name,['','']); -+ this.AddHTML(name,['','']); + var clss = this.GetArgument(this.cmd+name); if (this.error) return; +- this.AddHTML(name,['','']); ++ this.AddHTML(name,['','']); }, - =20 + /* @@ -4757,7 +4757,7 @@ */ Style: function (name) { - var style =3D this.GetArgument(this.cmd+name); if (this.error) return; -- this.AddHTML(name,['','']); -+ this.AddHTML(name,['','']); + var style = this.GetArgument(this.cmd+name); if (this.error) return; +- this.AddHTML(name,['','']); ++ this.AddHTML(name,['','']); }, - =20 + /* @@ -5010,22 +5010,22 @@ - if (h !=3D 0) {h =3D Math.max(1.05/jsMath.em,h)} - if (h =3D=3D 0 || w =3D=3D 0) {style =3D "blank"} - if (w =3D=3D 0) { -- html =3D ''; + + 'height:'+jsMath.HTML.Em(h*jsMath.Browser.imgScale)+'" /= >'; - } else if (style =3D=3D "blank") { -- html =3D ''; + + 'width:' +jsMath.HTML.Em(w*jsMath.Browser.imgScale)+'" /= >'; } else { -- html =3D '' +- html = '' - + html + ''; -+ html =3D '' ++ html = '' + + html + ''; } this.mlist.Add(jsMath.mItem.Typeset(new jsMath.Box('html',html,w,h-d,d= @@ -40590,7 +36601,7 @@ e; ' @@ -5353,7 +5353,7 @@ /* * Produce the final HTML. - * =20 + * - * We have to wrap the HTML it appropriate tags to hide its + * We have to wrap the HTML it appropriate tags to hide its * actual dimensions when these don't match the TeX dimensions of the @@ -40598,19 +36609,19 @@ e; ' * the right amount of space. The results may need to be vertically @@ -5362,7 +5362,7 @@ Typeset: function () { - var data =3D this.mlist.init; - var box =3D this.typeset =3D this.mlist.Typeset(data.style,data.size); -- if (this.error) {return ''+this.error+''} -+ if (this.error) {return ''+this.error+''} - if (box.format =3D=3D 'null') {return ''}; -=20 - box.Styled().Remeasured(); var isSmall =3D 0; var isBig =3D 0; + var data = this.mlist.init; + var box = this.typeset = this.mlist.Typeset(data.style,data.size); +- if (this.error) {return ''+this.error+''} ++ if (this.error) {return ''+this.error+''} + if (box.format == 'null') {return ''}; + + box.Styled().Remeasured(); var isSmall = 0; var isBig = 0; @@ -5380,18 +5380,18 @@ } else if (!jsMath.Browser.valignBug) { // remove line height and try to hide the depth - var dy =3D jsMath.HTML.Em(Math.max(0,box.bd-jsMath.hd)/3); -- html =3D '' + html + ''; + + '">' + html + ''; @@ -40618,48 +36629,48 @@ e; ' } if (isBig) {// add height and depth to the line (force a little // extra to separate lines if needed) -- html +=3D '' + + 'vertical-align:'+jsMath.HTML.Em(-box.d-.1)+';" />' } -- return ''+html+''; -+ return ''+html+''; +- return ''+html+''; ++ return ''+html+''; } -=20 + }); @@ -5416,7 +5416,7 @@ * you must double the backslash in order to include control sequences - * within your replacement string. E.g.,=20 - * =20 + * within your replacement string. E.g., + * - * + * - *=20 + * * would make \R produce a bold-faced R. - * =20 + * @@ -5424,14 +5424,14 @@ - * requires. These are substituted for #1, #2, etc. within the=20 + * requires. These are substituted for #1, #2, etc. within the * replacement string of the macro. For example - * =20 + * - * + * - * =20 + * * would make \x1 produce {\vec x}_{1} and \x{i+1} produce {\vec x}_{i+1}. * * You can put several jsMath.Macro calls together into one .js file, and * then include that into your web page using a command of the form - * =20 -- * -+ * - * =20 + * +- * ++ * + * * in your main HTML page. This way you can include the same macros * into several web pages, for example. @@ -5453,9 +5453,9 @@ * These routines look through the web page for math elements to process. * There are two main entry points you can call: - * =20 + * - * + * * or @@ -40673,53 +36684,53 @@ m) * processed and reinitialize sizes for that location. */ ResetHidden: function (element) { -- element.innerHTML =3D ' or
tags @@ -40727,13 +36738,13 @@ te; top:0;left:0;">'; */ ProcessComplete: function () { if (jsMath.Browser.renameOK) { - var element =3D document.getElementsByName('_jsMath_'); - for (var i =3D element.length-1; i >=3D 0; i--) { + var element = document.getElementsByName('_jsMath_'); + for (var i = element.length-1; i >= 0; i--) { - element[i].removeAttribute('NAME'); + element[i].removeAttribute('name'); } } - jsMath.element =3D []; + jsMath.element = []; diff -ur jsMath-2.3b/jsMath-mozilla.js jsMath-2.3b-lowercase/jsMath-mozilla= =2Ejs --- jsMath-2.3b/jsMath-mozilla.js 2005-04-23 13:05:30.000000000 -0700 @@ -40752,15 +36763,15 @@ diff -ur jsMath-2.3b/jsMath-mozilla.js jsMath-2.3b-lowercase/jsMath-mozilla= '39': {c: '≃'}, '20': {c: '≤', tclass: 'normal'} }, -- cmex10: {'20': {c: ''}}, +- cmex10: {'20': {c: ''}}, - cmti10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, - cmbx10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}} -+ cmex10: {'20': {c: ''}}, ++ cmex10: {'20': {c: ''}}, + cmti10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}}, + cmbx10: {'10': {c: 'Ω', tclass: 'normal'}} }); -=20 -=20 + + diff -ur jsMath-2.3b/jsMath-msie-mac.js jsMath-2.3b-lowercase/jsMath-msie-m= ac.js --- jsMath-2.3b/jsMath-msie-mac.js 2005-04-23 13:05:20.000000000 -0700 @@ -40768,47 +36779,47 @@ ac.js -0800 @@ -34,9 +34,9 @@ jsMath.Update.TeXfonts({ -=20 + cmr10: { -- '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, '16': {c: 'ı', tclass: 'normal'}, '20': {c: '­'}, '22': {c: '¯', tclass: 'normal', w: .3}, @@ -46,20 +46,20 @@ }, -=20 + cmmi10: { -- '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '15': {c: 'e', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '16': {c: 'z', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '20': {c: 'k', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '22': {c: 'm', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '25': {c: 'p', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '26': {c: 'r', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '27': {c: 's', tclass: 'normal'} -+ '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '15': {c: 'e', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '16': {c: 'z', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '20': {c: 'k', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '22': {c: 'm', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '25': {c: 'p', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '26': {c: 'r', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '27': {c: 's', tclass: 'normal'} +- '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '15': {c: 'e', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '16': {c: 'z', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '20': {c: 'k', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '22': {c: 'm', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '25': {c: 'p', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '26': {c: 'r', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '27': {c: 's', tclass: 'normal'} ++ '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '15': {c: 'e', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '16': {c: 'z', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '20': {c: 'k', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '22': {c: 'm', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '25': {c: 'p', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '26': {c: 'r', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '27': {c: 's', tclass: 'normal'} }, -=20 + cmsy10: { -- '3': {c: '*', tclass: 'no= +- '3': {c: '*', tclass: 'no= rmal'}, -+ '3': {c: '*', tclass: 'no= ++ '3': {c: '*', tclass: 'no= rmal'}, '5': {c: 'Ή', tclass: 'normal'}, '10': {c: '⊗', tclass: 'normal'}, @@ -40817,48 +36828,48 @@ rmal'}, '20': {c: '≤', tclass: 'normal'}, '22': {c: '≤', tclass: 'normal'}, '25': {c: '≈', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '26': {c: 'Ì', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '27': {c: 'É', tclass: 'normal'} -+ '26': {c: 'Ì', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '27': {c: 'É', tclass: 'normal'} +- '26': {c: 'Ì', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '27': {c: 'É', tclass: 'normal'} ++ '26': {c: 'Ì', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '27': {c: 'É', tclass: 'normal'} }, -=20 + cmex10: { -- '3': {c: 'i'}, -- '5': {c: 'k'}, -- '10': {c: 'D'}, -- '15': {c: 'Â'}, -- '16': {c: 'µ'}, -- '20': {c: '"'}, -- '22': {c: '$'}, -- '25': {c: '\''}, -- '26': {c: '('}, -- '27': {c: ')'} -+ '3': {c: 'i'}, -+ '5': {c: 'k'}, -+ '10': {c: 'D'}, -+ '15': {c: 'Â'}, -+ '16': {c: 'µ'}, -+ '20': {c: '"'}, -+ '22': {c: '$'}, -+ '25': {c: '\''}, -+ '26': {c: '('}, -+ '27': {c: ')'} +- '3': {c: 'i'}, +- '5': {c: 'k'}, +- '10': {c: 'D'}, +- '15': {c: 'Â'}, +- '16': {c: 'µ'}, +- '20': {c: '"'}, +- '22': {c: '$'}, +- '25': {c: '\''}, +- '26': {c: '('}, +- '27': {c: ')'} ++ '3': {c: 'i'}, ++ '5': {c: 'k'}, ++ '10': {c: 'D'}, ++ '15': {c: 'Â'}, ++ '16': {c: 'µ'}, ++ '20': {c: '"'}, ++ '22': {c: '$'}, ++ '25': {c: '\''}, ++ '26': {c: '('}, ++ '27': {c: ')'} }, -=20 + cmti10: { -- '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, - '16': {c: 'ı', tclass: 'normal'}, - '20': {c: '­'}, - '22': {c: '¯', tclass: 'normal', w: .3}, - '25': {c: 'ß', tclass: 'normal'}, - '26': {c: 'æ', tclass: 'normal'}, - '27': {c: 'œ', tclass: 'normal'} -+ '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, + '16': {c: 'ı', tclass: 'normal'}, + '20': {c: '­'}, + '22': {c: '¯', tclass: 'normal', w: .3}, @@ -40866,20 +36877,20 @@ rmal'}, + '26': {c: 'æ', tclass: 'normal'}, + '27': {c: 'œ', tclass: 'normal'} }, -=20 + cmbx10: { -- '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, -- '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, +- '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, - '16': {c: 'ı', tclass: 'normal'}, - '20': {c: '­'}, - '22': {c: '¯', tclass: 'normal', w: .3}, - '25': {c: 'ß', tclass: 'normal'}, - '26': {c: 'æ', tclass: 'normal'}, - '27': {c: 'œ', tclass: 'normal'} -+ '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, -+ '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '3': {c: 'L', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '5': {c: 'P', tclass: 'normal'}, ++ '10': {c: 'W', tclass: 'normal'}, + '16': {c: 'ı', tclass: 'normal'}, + '20': {c: '­'}, + '22': {c: '¯', tclass: 'normal', w: .3}, @@ -40888,27 +36899,27 @@ rmal'}, + '27': {c: 'œ', tclass: 'normal'} } }); -=20 + diff -ur jsMath-2.3b/plugins/autoload.js jsMath-2.3b-lowercase/plugins/auto= load.js --- jsMath-2.3b/plugins/autoload.js 2005-10-08 16:52:50.000000000 -0700 +++ jsMath-2.3b-lowercase/plugins/autoload.js 2005-10-30 11:16:30.000000000= -0800 @@ -73,10 +73,10 @@ - if (!obj) {obj =3D document} - if (typeof(obj) =3D=3D 'string') {obj =3D document.getElementById(obj)} + if (!obj) {obj = document} + if (typeof(obj) == 'string') {obj = document.getElementById(obj)} if (!obj.getElementsByTagName) {return false} -- var math =3D obj.getElementsByTagName('DIV'); -+ var math =3D obj.getElementsByTagName('div'); - for (var k =3D 0; k < math.length; k++)=20 - {if (math[k].className =3D=3D 'math') {return true}} -- math =3D obj.getElementsByTagName('SPAN'); -+ math =3D obj.getElementsByTagName('span'); - for (var k =3D 0; k < math.length; k++)=20 - {if (math[k].className =3D=3D 'math') {return true}} +- var math = obj.getElementsByTagName('DIV'); ++ var math = obj.getElementsByTagName('div'); + for (var k = 0; k < math.length; k++) + {if (math[k].className == 'math') {return true}} +- math = obj.getElementsByTagName('SPAN'); ++ math = obj.getElementsByTagName('span'); + for (var k = 0; k < math.length; k++) + {if (math[k].className == 'math') {return true}} return false; @@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ - if (element.nodeName =3D=3D '#text') { + if (element.nodeName == '#text') { if (pattern.exec(element.nodeValue.replace(/\n/g,' '))) {return true} } else if (!element.tagName || - !element.tagName.match(/^(SCRIPT|NOSCRIPT|STYLE|TEXTAREA)$/= @@ -40917,35 +36928,35 @@ i)) { i)) { if (this.FindPattern(method,element.firstChild,1)) {return true}; } - element =3D element.nextSibling; + element = element.nextSibling; @@ -124,7 +124,7 @@ */ - jsMath.Autoload.LoadJsMath =3D function () { + jsMath.Autoload.LoadJsMath = function () { if (!jsMath.Autoload.root) { -- var script =3D document.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT'); -+ var script =3D document.getElementsByTagName('script'); +- var script = document.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT'); ++ var script = document.getElementsByTagName('script'); if (script) { - for (var i =3D 0; i < script.length; i++) { - var src =3D script[i].src; + for (var i = 0; i < script.length; i++) { + var src = script[i].src; @@ -136,9 +136,9 @@ } } if (jsMath.Autoload.root) { -- document.write('